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This is the Outlander (Hero of Tython) as of his first KOTFE fight with Arcann taking on hindered Mustafar Anakin Skywalker. Anakin is in the same mind-set as when he fought Obi-Wan in ROTS. All-out fight, to the death, takes place on Mustafar.

Who wins and why?

Anakin ez

Anakin stomps

Mustafar Annie?

Hero wins, but it's a good fight.

Anakin.

The Outlander.

Anakin, but it's a good fight.

Anakin's taking it rather deceisively.

The ****?

Y'all are nuts. Outlander whoops him. Anakin lost to a far inferior opponent. At the time he was so out of it his TK was merely equal to Obi-Wan's. The Outlander can probably just punt him into the lava.

Obi-Wan's direct feats and scaling blows the Outlander's away.

Goodness this PT wank is just delicious!

I'm all open for a discussion, maybe someone can actually suprise me about how awesome the Outlander is.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Obi-Wan's direct feats and scaling blows the Outlander's away. https://68.media.tumblr.com/391cf73c3caccada989624306d57b80a/tumblr_inline_ok4zpyfDcW1rzw6b3_500.gif

Even Act III Hero of Tython defeated a Vitiate powerful enough to destroy the Dark Temple despite being on one of the strongest DS nexus' in history and after fighting through legions of Sith and Imperial Guards. Hell, even Act I Hero was stronger and more powerful than a Barsen'thor who was crumpling house-sized blast doors like tin foil and defeated an Ancient Sith empowered by hundreds of Jedi Masters while weakened. Act I weakened and exhausted Barsen'thor would still bitchslap Obi-Wan like he owed her money and the Hero is > her explicitly. KotFE Hotlander is overkill.



coughpluskotfeoutlanderhasvalkorioncough

Originally posted by Nephthys
https://68.media.tumblr.com/391cf73c3caccada989624306d57b80a/tumblr_inline_ok4zpyfDcW1rzw6b3_500.gif

Even Act III Hero of Tython defeated a Vitiate powerful enough to destroy the Dark Temple despite being on one of the strongest DS nexus' in history and after fighting through legions of Sith and Imperial Guards. Hell, even Act I Hero was stronger and more powerful than a Barsen'thor who was crumpling house-sized blast doors like tin foil and defeated an Ancient Sith empowered by hundreds of Jedi Masters.

coughpluskotfeoutlanderhasvalkorioncough

Despite the fact that Hero of Tython never overpowered Vitiate in the Force, Obi-Wan has influenced 500m pillars, moved a ship through space for a long duration of time without breaking a sweat, moved ship sized trees, lifted giant airships vastly pre-prime and is more powerful than the Grand Inquisitor who himself ragdolled someone who could move 50m ship sized asteroids fast enough to intercept a starfighter at full speed. Now that we've banged feats against each other, Obi-Wan's just on another level.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Despite the fact that Hero of Tython never overpowered Vitiate in the Force, Obi-Wan has influenced 500m pillars, moved a ship through space for a long duration of time without breaking a sweat, moved ship sized trees, lifted giant airships vastly pre-prime and is more powerful than the Grand Inquisitor who himself ragdolled someone who could move 50m ship sized asteroids fast enough to intercept a starfighter at full speed. Now that we've banged feats against each other, Obi-Wan's just off another level.

She doesn't need to have? Vitiate pulled that off at the end of the fight when he was far more exhausted than he would be at the start of the fight. So she was tanking attacks far in excess of temple-busting throughout the fight. Clearly indicative of vastly superior power to anything Obi-Wan or Anakin did.

Bullshit.

Moving something in space, whoa.

Wow, trees. Thats definitely equal to blowing through a meter thick, building sized blast door like pudding while weakened, casually and right at the start of your career.

Bullshit again. Afaik he's moved a fighter, slowly. The Barsen'thor threw a bus-sized chunk of metal hundreds of feet casually while weakened. Right out of the prologue.

Again, moving stuff in space. Wheeeeee!


A lower level, yes.


Anyway, the Hero can probably just mind-**** Anakin like she can Tol Braga. His Mustafar mindset leaves him extremely vulnerable to getting dominated.

Hahahaha this is ridiculous. Your basically saying "This isn't impressive" and then comparing it to something on a lesser scale.

Is that a concession?

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
, Obi-Wan has influenced 500m pillars,
*wrecked and tore apart entire rows of 500 m megalith's

Naaah I think it's clear for users who's the better Force user, your rambling about how moving stuff in space isn't impressive isn't going to change that.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Naaah I think it's clear for users who's the better Force user, your rambling about how moving stuff in space isn't impressive isn't going to change that.

I'm going to take that as a "yes" then.

As long as you believe it yourself man.

Anakin

This version of Vader is probably his second weakest, only ahead of his DL:RoDV incarnation. Him getting utterly squared by Kenobi, when he's previously dishing out +Yoda tier ass whoopings on Dooku is evidence in and of itself.

Fact is he was way off his game on Mustafar, against a Jedi as stupidly powerful as KOTFE Outlander he isn't going to do well.

If this was Knightfall Vader he'd win though.

Feats for Vader that rival beating featless Sith Lords?

Is that the best you can think of?

It's better than most of your arguments, tbh. Also, Kenobi > OutLander.

Why would you think I even remotely care about your opinion? Of all people?

I really don't give a crap what you care about, AP. I'm just noting the simple fact that most of Carthage's trolling is a better read than half the sh!t you regurgitate on a daily basis.

Originally posted by MythLord
I really don't give a crap what you care about, AP. I'm just noting the simple fact that most of Carthage's trolling is a better read than half the sh!t you regurgitate on a daily basis.

Damn, even DD9 is sick of AP's shit.

Originally posted by Nephthys
https://68.media.tumblr.com/391cf73c3caccada989624306d57b80a/tumblr_inline_ok4zpyfDcW1rzw6b3_500.gif

Even Act III Hero of Tython defeated a Vitiate powerful enough to destroy the Dark Temple despite being on one of the strongest DS nexus' in history and after fighting through legions of Sith and Imperial Guards. Hell, even Act I Hero was stronger and more powerful than a Barsen'thor who was crumpling house-sized blast doors like tin foil and defeated an Ancient Sith empowered by hundreds of Jedi Masters while weakened. Act I weakened and exhausted Barsen'thor would still bitchslap Obi-Wan like he owed her money and the Hero is > her explicitly. KotFE Hotlander is overkill.



coughpluskotfeoutlanderhasvalkorioncough As a spirit yeah, the best he could manage in bodily form was walk onto a lightsaber. He just did what Nadd did on Korriban, nothing special.

And we all know the HoT being more powerful than the Barsenthor is wishful thinking. Face it Outlander is getting murked.

Watch the scene again, he's specifically stated to still be alive even in the DS ending. LS ending he wasn't even fatally wounded.

The Hero being the most powerful Jedi alive is a key plot point of the storyline. So.... no.

His body dematerialised lol, whether or not he was "dead" or alive the guy was incorporeal, and given just before he couldn't stop the HoT from ragdolling him, obviously he wasn't drawing on his own power.

Not really, he is just their best and most effective warrior. Doesn't necessarily translate into superior TK, which he never displays. So... yeah.

HoTlander>ROTJ Vader>ROTS Ani>Mustufar Vader

HoTlander, moderate difficulty at most.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
His body dematerialised lol, whether or not he was "dead" or alive the guy was incorporeal, and given just before he couldn't stop the HoT from ragdolling him, obviously he wasn't drawing on his own power.

Not really, he is just their best and most effective warrior. Doesn't necessarily translate into superior TK, which he never displays. So... yeah.

Thats the first time I've even seen that interpretation. I suppose you're going off of the body being hidden in smoke but I don't see it disappear and its impossible to tell definitively. At any rate the temple starts collapsing before he "dematerialises" and in the DS ending its specifically stated that "I can sense him fading, but he is not gone" so he clearly performs the feat while alive and not as a spirit. Not that I really get your point. Where the **** else would he be drawing the power from? Even assuming you're correct he'd be a weakened spirit. And the Hero ragdolled him because, get this, the Hero is staggeringly powerful.

Not to mention that your premise is inherently flawed as dying weakened him immensely.

The whole point of the Hero fighting Vitiate is that no one else in the Order is powerful enough to resist him. Also the Hero is repeatedly stated to be the strongest Jedi alive and was the most powerful member of the team of the most powerful Jedi even as of Act II. She's clearly more powerful than 'Thor and fully capable of performing all of her Act I feats with ease.

Originally posted by MythLord
I really don't give a crap what you care about, AP. I'm just noting the simple fact that most of Carthage's trolling is a better read than half the sh!t you regurgitate on a daily basis.

Aw was kicking your asses in our last two debates that painful? I'll use mittens next time.

Anakin probably blitzes

Aryn Leneer via moving meditation, prior to becoming more powerful through her rage, allowed her to appear to be in twelve places at once and allowed her to move so fast she could utilise seconds as if they were minutes. Aryn Leneer, who by her own account isn't even as powerful as most of the Jedi High Council. Aryn Leneer, who could only hold her own against Decieved Malgus before she got stomped later on by Oneness Malgus.

Aryn Leneer, who isn't even as powerful as Act I Hero of Tython nevermind a far more powerful Act III HoT or the even more powerful Dread War HoT or even RotHC HoT or even better, SoR HoT and don't even get me started on KOTFE Outlander or better yet KOTET Outlander.

The Outlander is no Cin Drallig and this isn't even Knightfall Vader, this is a Vader who had spent three days without sleeping, eating or resting whilst his mental state had left him completely compromised. Kenobi easily outplayed and defeated him, reading the novel.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
As a spirit yeah, the best he could manage in bodily form was walk onto a lightsaber. He just did what Nadd did on Korriban, nothing special.

And we all know the HoT being more powerful than the Barsenthor is wishful thinking. Face it Outlander is getting murked.
Freedon Nadd caused a cave-in; Vitiate collapsed a massive chamber on the upper level of Dark Temple (a building unlike any other), destabilizing much of the Temple consequently. No comparison in this case.

Hero of Tython is more powerful than you give him credit for.

I recall the time when you would offer a thought-provoking argument in support of any character. How far you have fallen, sad.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Aw was kicking your asses in our last two debates that painful? I'll use mittens next time.

Was...was that suppose to be a good comeback? I swear, you'd struggle to pour water out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel of the damn thing.

Supposed*

By the way, if you ever actually have something of substance to post that isn't blatantly incorrect, call me up.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats the first time I've even seen that interpretation. I suppose you're going off of the body being hidden in smoke but I don't see it disappear and its impossible to tell definitively. At any rate the temple starts collapsing before he "dematerialises" and in the DS ending its specifically stated that "I can sense him fading, but he is not gone" so he clearly performs the feat while alive and not as a spirit. Not that I really get your point. Where the **** else would he be drawing the power from? Even assuming you're correct he'd be a weakened spirit.I'm not going to nitpick over TOR's shitty visuals, guy was clearly dematerialising not just putting on a lightshow, and whether or not he had fully vanished at the point of the attack is irrelevant, as his spirit well could have left his body already. What's more telling is the fact that when the Emperor speaks, the HoT reacts as if his voice is coming from all around him, not the corpse.

What Scourge senses being also irrelevant, as as a spirit he still would have retained a strong presence in the Force.

And my point is that he did what Nadd did:

http://i.imgur.com/Mz4xQ66.png

So uh to answer your point he got the power from the immense nexus of dark side energy that was all around him.

Sure he is, but no, the Emperor was clearly spent and incapable of fighting back at that point.

Right, right, except Lana and stuff. What proof exactly is there that the Barsenthor couldn't resist him? Aside from the Jedi opinion of course, who are clearly clueless when it comes to the Emperor given the fact they sent Tol Braga & co. capture him lmao.

But no, he's just said to be their best weapon/greatest Jedi etc. as I recall, not necessarily conductive to greater power and/or mastery over the Force. I'll laugh at the misfit band they brought to take Shitiate being the most powerful members of the Order later.

Vader stomps

Originally posted by AncientPower
By the way, if you ever actually have something of substance to post that isn't blatantly incorrect, call me up.

I'm sure Beni is making you envious enough given how much better a debater he is; no need for me to do the same.