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who wins?

Ravenous, but it's one hell of a fight.

Hulk wins. the fight might last a few panels but, ultimately Hulk will annihilate Ravenous.

Surfer destroyed a planet to give an indication of the kind of power he could have brought to bear upon Ravenous. the implication was that Ravenous wouldn't survive such a powerful attack. Hulk can tear apart a planet with his bare hands...

hulk

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk wins. the fight might last a few panels but, ultimately Hulk will annihilate Ravenous.

Surfer destroyed a planet to give an indication of the kind of power he could have brought to bear upon Ravenous. the implication was that Ravenous wouldn't survive such a powerful attack. Hulk can tear apart a planet with his bare hands...

He has yet to do so.

Ravenous and the seekers survived the Surfer's initial attack.

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk wins. the fight might last a few panels but, ultimately Hulk will annihilate Ravenous.

Surfer destroyed a planet to give an indication of the kind of power he could have brought to bear upon Ravenous. the implication was that Ravenous wouldn't survive such a powerful attack. Hulk can tear apart a planet with his bare hands...
ravenous still survived his skirmish with surfer after surfers planet busting feat, he seemed fairly unscathed

he held together a planet, that's clearly enough strength to get the job done. his steps almost broke the eastern seaboard, again more than enough evidence of capability.

Surfer's initial attack isn't one that would have put down The Hulk, given that Hulk's durability > Surfer's with respect to what we saw when both passed through the Sakaar wormhole.

Originally posted by Nihilist
ravenous still survived his skirmish with surfer after surfers planet busting feat, he seemed fairly unscathed
it wasn't Surfer's intention to kill or mortally wound Ravenous, more to just demonstrate the level of power Surfer could have applied upon Ravenous directly, that and to demonstrate Surfer's seriousness/ruthlessness.

Ravenous is left stunned and bowed by the demonstration, he clearly feels far inferior afterwards.

Originally posted by janus77
. his steps almost broke the eastern seaboard, again more than enough evidence of capability.


this isnt ww hulk

Originally posted by janus77
it wasn't Surfer's intention to kill or mortally wound Ravenous, more to just demonstrate the level of power Surfer could have applied upon Ravenous directly, that and to demonstrate Surfer's seriousness/ruthlessness.

Ravenous is left stunned and bowed by the demonstration, he clearly feels far inferior afterwards.
good points, but theres a difference in opponents here
annihilation surfer>>>>>>>>>>>>hulk?

WWH is just a label for the arc, Hulk was just very angry, that's all.

Originally posted by Nihilist
good points, but theres a difference in opponents here
annihilation surfer>>>>>>>>>>>>hulk?
yes but Hulk's strength is far far greater, and as Ravenous is not going to do anything other than brawl, Hulk will have an easier time of it against Ravenous than Surfer who prefers to blast & dodge than brawl.

Originally posted by janus77
WWH is just a label for the arc, Hulk was just very angry, that's all.

some people interpret wwh hulk separate from the regular hulk like war hulk do you
but you also have to take into account hulk low feats then,if wwhulk=reg hulk.

Originally posted by Nihilist
some people interpret wwh hulk separate from the regular hulk like war hulk do you
but you also have to take into account hulk low feats then,if wwhulk=reg hulk.
of course that is a given, but we have to also appreciate the powerset and established capabilities of the character, and admit the place of "PIS and CIS" in low showings (Hulk suffocating, for example! - we know that he adapts automatically to his environment - space/ocean floor).

it's difficult to see how you can separate out WWH from regular Hulk. it's just Hulk being really angry, no power ups or mystical artefacts. just a very bad mood.

War Hulk was special because of two things 1) the fact that Hulk was channelling two universes, as their nexus point and 2) that Apocalypse used Celestial Technology to regulate the energies and stabilise them to a high base level.

it is a basic fact that the character's strength is limitless, that his other attributes are pegged to his strength, thus ...

WWH is also smarter than Savage Hulk.

this conflict doesn't involve prep. also Hulk's often been smart when fighting, whether Savage Hulk or Professor Hulk, he's always had that.

WWHulk pfft...... 10 years ago, the Hulk smashed Onslaught, who has Ravenous taken? Ronan broke his face with his universal hammer, while the Hulk has taken hits to the face by Thor's hammer without being opened up.

I think the Hulk has proven on many occasions that he hits harder than Ronan. If anyone doubts this check out his respect thread.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
WWHulk pfft...... 10 years ago, the Hulk smashed Onslaught, who has Ravenous taken? Ronan broke his face with his universal hammer, while the Hulk has taken hits to the face by Thor's hammer without being opened up.

I think the Hulk has proven on many occasions that he hits harder than Ronan. If anyone doubts this check out his respect thread.
hulk has been ko'd by cap and iron man thought and ww hulk was taken out by a satellite,while ravenous was ko'd by ronans universal hammer which is bullshit imo seeing as he withstood blows from surfer in their first battle and the exploding planet.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
WWHulk pfft...... 10 years ago, the Hulk smashed Onslaught, who has Ravenous taken? Ronan broke his face with his universal hammer, while the Hulk has taken hits to the face by Thor's hammer without being opened up.

I think the Hulk has proven on many occasions that he hits harder than Ronan. If anyone doubts this check out his respect thread.

Ronan broke his hammer on Ravenous' face....

10 years ago? okay....so ?

Originally posted by Nihilist
hulk has been ko'd by cap and iron man thought and ww hulk was taken out by a satellite,while ravenous was ko'd by ronans universal hammer which is bullshit imo seeing as he withstood blows from surfer in their first battle and the exploding planet.

Well in forum battles, going by the best showings are permissible, and if this is the truth we can begin with an impact that opened an dimensional rift (by Hulks own hands).

If we were to go by powers; Hulk's powers alone make him one of the most tenacious characters in comics, while Ravenous passes out because he gets opened up by Ronan's universal weapon, the Hulk laughs at getting his eyes cut out.

Lets talk toughness Ravenous has shown that he isn't that tough, while the Hulk took a blast that burned right through him by Zom/Strange and was up two panels later. You call BS when it favors your argument, while Captain America has no business beating the Hulk, Thanos was also hand cuffed and carted away to prison. Bringing these points up makes your argument weak at best because of the CIS rule.

Ironman... whatever! that was also a weaker and smaller Hulk than the one portrayed in comics today. The Hulk of today would peel that Ironman out of his suit like an orange, unless of course you believe it's more powerful than the Hulkbuster suit that was trashed.

Again I must reiterate that you are calling BS to suit your own case.. it is far more likely that Ronan could pop Ravenous' mellon with the Universal Weapon, than Captain America KOing the Hulk (now that was BS).

Originally posted by llagrok
Ronan broke his hammer on Ravenous' face....

10 years ago? okay....so ?

If he broke it on the Hulks face, the Hulk would still be standing.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Well in forum battles, going by the best showings are permissible, and if this is the truth we can begin with an impact that opened an dimensional rift (by Hulks own hands).

If we were to go by powers; Hulk's powers alone make him one of the most tenacious characters in comics, while Ravenous passes out because he gets opened up by Ronan's universal weapon, the Hulk laughs at getting his eyes cut out.

Lets talk toughness Ravenous has shown that he isn't that tough, while the Hulk took a blast that burned right through him by Zom/Strange and was up two panels later. You call BS when it favors your argument, while Captain America has no business beating the Hulk, Thanos was also hand cuffed and carted away to prison. Bringing these points up makes your argument weak at best because of the CIS rule.

Ironman... whatever! that was also a weaker and smaller Hulk than the one portrayed in comics today. The Hulk of today would peel that Ironman out of his suit like an orange, unless of course you believe it's more powerful than the Hulkbuster suit that was trashed.

Again I must reiterate that you are calling BS to suit your own case.. it is far more likely that Ronan could pop Ravenous' mellon with the Universal Weapon, than Captain America KOing the Hulk (now that was BS). and youre not calling bs/pis/cis when it suits your case?
you accept hulk high end feats but dismiss his low feats as stupid writing.
dont bother responding im putting you on ignore

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
If he broke it on the Hulks face, the Hulk would still be standing.

He wouldn't break it on the Hulk's face, but Hulk's face would break.

The damage Ronan would inflict on the Hulk would be much, much bigger. Ravenous took a planetary blast from Powerup Surfer and he was barely bleeding afterwards.

The Hulk also took a blast that threatened to destroy Sakaar, and he was just fine. Actually if he wasn't there the planet would have resembled Krypton. To top it off he rode home on top of the stone ship... do you have any idea how many rads he soaked up on his way back to earth (which could be considered another power up).

Originally posted by Nihilist
and youre not calling bs/pis/cis when it suits your case?
you accept hulk high end feats but dismiss his low feats as stupid writing.
dont bother responding im putting you on ignore


Oh no not the ignore button.

Hulk wins.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
The Hulk also took a blast that threatened to destroy Sakaar, and he was just fine. Actually if he wasn't there the planet would have resembled Krypton. To top it off he rode home on top of the stone ship... do you have any idea how many rads he soaked up on his way back to earth (which could be considered another power up).

He didn't take the blast per say.

And Hulk is constantly growing, being weakened means he started off at a lower standing point. Hulk's growth in strength is no exact science.

Originally posted by llagrok
He has yet to do so.



Hulk smashed an asteriod twice the size of earth. He was'nt even really pissed off when he did it and that was a weaker version of the Hulk.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hulk smashed an asteriod twice the size of earth. He was'nt even really pissed off when he did it and that was a weaker version of the Hulk.


That asteroid was little more than a rock balloon...

Hulk beats up on Ravenous

Originally posted by llagrok
That asteroid was little more than a rock balloon...

Ermm can you prove that? I thought it was great big ******* rock.

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ermm can you prove that? I thought it was great big ******* rock.

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It was a great big ****ing rock.

Not really comparable to smashing a planet.

Originally posted by llagrok
It was a great big ****ing rock.

Not really comparable to smashing a planet.
except that it is directly compared to a planet on-panel.

it's an asteroid twice the size of a planet.

Hulk smash

Originally posted by janus77
except that it is directly compared to a planet on-panel.

it's an asteroid twice the size of a planet.

But that doesn't make it comparable to a planet now does it?

Do you think a rock like that is as easy to crush as a planet? Obviously it had no gravitational pull or anything, and earth was unaffected when the Asteroid was near by.

Originally posted by llagrok
That asteroid was little more than a rock balloon...

WTF is a Rock Balloon?

Originally posted by llagrok
But that doesn't make it comparable to a planet now does it?

Do you think a rock like that is as easy to crush as a planet? Obviously it had no gravitational pull or anything, and earth was unaffected when the Asteroid was near by.

If the scan says it's twice as big as the planet, then it's twice as big as the planet. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

Originally posted by BruteStrength
If the scan says it's twice as big as the planet, then it's twice as big as the planet. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

Not really.

Originally posted by llagrok
Not really.

Yes really. WHen a scan shows you're wrong, and you make stuff up in your head and post your fantasies on a messageboard, it just makes you look like a fool.

Originally posted by Nihilist
and youre not calling bs/pis/cis when it suits your case?
you accept hulk high end feats but dismiss his low feats as stupid writing.
dont bother responding im putting you on ignore

Hulk dynamically amps his power level, are you too retarded to understand that?

it's not worth getting irritated about. I agree with what you're saying but, if people obviously don't want to accept what's on-panel, what's the point in attempting to reason with them?

Of course you would agree with the Sock.

Originally posted by janus77
except that it is directly compared to a planet on-panel.

it's an asteroid twice the size of a planet.

Well "a planet" is pretty vague.

Planets can, and do vary in size.

Infact, if you were comparing the asteroid to lets say Pluto (when it was still considered a planet), then "twice the size of a planet" would only be approx. two fifths the size (or mass) of our moon.

Not quite the same as destroying a planet the size of Earth, if you ask me.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Well "a planet" is pretty vague.

Planets can, and do vary in size.

Infact, if you were comparing the asteroid to lets say Pluto (when it was still considered a planet), then "twice the size of a planet" would only be approx. two fifths the size (or mass) of our moon.

Not quite the same as destroying a planet the size of Earth, if you ask me.

It says right on-panel "twice the size of Earth"
h t t p:// mynetimages.com/viewimage/a0667b3c (take out the spaces)

Originally posted by nimbus006
Well "a planet" is pretty vague.

Planets can, and do vary in size.

Infact, if you were comparing the asteroid to lets say Pluto (when it was still considered a planet), then "twice the size of a planet" would only be approx. two fifths the size (or mass) of our moon.

Not quite the same as destroying a planet the size of Earth, if you ask me.
pluto is officially too small to be a planet. if you want to get technical about what constitutes a 'planet' in size, the reasonable thing to do would be to work out the mean and modal sizes for planets in the solar system. I'm guessing that figure would be significantly greater than the size of Earth.

and now double it .

Originally posted by BruteStrength
It says right on-panel "twice the size of Earth"
h t t p:// mynetimages.com/viewimage/a0667b3c (take out the spaces)

Well, there you go.

That's much more specific.

Originally posted by janus77
pluto is officially too small to be a planet. if you want to get technical about what constitutes a 'planet' in size, the reasonable thing to do would be to work out the mean and modal sizes for planets in the solar system. I'm guessing that figure would be significantly greater than the size of Earth.

and now double it .

Yes, if you read my post you would see I put in parenthesis "when it was still considered a planet"

Actually, it would be a little more complicated than that.

Regardless, it's inconsequential as BruteStrength already stated it was specifically compared to Earth.

However, when did this feat occur, if I may ask? (i.e time period)

Dbl post

Marvel comics presents #52. 1990 iirc. Could be wrong.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Marvel comics presents #52. 1990 iirc. Could be wrong.

Thank you,

So the writer could of very well been comparing the asteroid to Pluto, since at that time Pluto was still considered a planet. It was not until August 2006 that Pluto was classified as a Dwarf planet.

Not that it matters, cuz as I said before it was compared directly to Earth, I'm just saying...

hulk

Yeah Hulk, and it's funny how some people here say that an astroid issn't the same as a planet, yeah of course it's not.
Than we should leave the planet busting comment out of other threads since iff I'm not mistaken every planet is different in size,mass, etc.
So we couldn't even compare the feats.

Hulk wins, just very laughable how a few people keep disputing Hulk's feats, even though they've always been of the "incredible" variety.

the Hulk smashes an asteroid twice the size of Earth, well, it can't be a proper asteroid or earth must be really small for a planet etc etc ...

Hulk survives multiple city and planet levelling nukes, oh well they can't have been directly aimed at him then, 'cos he wouldn't have survived otherwise.

we're talking about a character that can channel a UNIVERSE worth of energies - Heroes Reborn - that makes The Beyonder stand up and take notice.

Hulk wins, this is spite, Ronan has no chance without bfr.

Originally posted by janus77
Ronan has no chance without bfr. Eh?

Hulk

It also stated that the asteroid that was twice as large as earth, was going to destroy the planet. Hulk would beat the tar out of Ravenous.