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Saw it at midnight. Really good! I really had a blast seen Indy crack the whip and run from deadly traps and making great escapes.

The villains were really good for Kingdom of the Skull. However, it does not feel the same. See, it would make more sense that the villains for this film were Nazis and not Ruskies. The thing is...Soviets weren't really big fans of Mythology or treasure hunting. They were more interested in space travel and nuclear weapons.

The Nazis were more mythical. It makes more sense to have had the film use former Nazis as villains trying to get to the skull and revive the Nazi regime during the early days of the cold war. At least that's how I see it.

So what do you think? Nazis over Soviets?

Go see Indiana Jones...you'll like it.

Nazis would have been better, but I dont mind the Soviets.
They mentioned something about waking up an army of undead or something? Could have just had some Nazis trying to revive the regime or something just as an added plot thing.

Soviets in the 50s were considered pretty much as evil as nazi's. Today we look at them them more mildly, and nazi's are still considered evil.

I think the Russians have/had great potential to become the better villains, but I also prefer the Nazi's over the Russians. Perhaps it's because of how each were different that one another in the movies. I wasn't at all indimidated by the Russians, the Nazi's on the other hand felt more evil, on a much grander scale.

Originally posted by Outbound

They mentioned something about waking up an army of undead or something? Could have just had some Nazis trying to revive the regime or something just as an added plot thing.

You know, the setting was actually quite perfect for that plot. South America during the 50s was the most notorious hide out for Nazis who escape Europe after the fall of the Nazi regime. It would have made more sense to use that story.

I didn't mind them and they fit for the 50's

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You know, the setting was actually quite perfect for that plot. South America during the 50s was the most notorious hide out for Nazis who escape Europe after the fall of the Nazi regime. It would have made more sense to use that story.

I would have been a very forced "we need nazi's as baddies for Indy" approach.

In the end, the best villain yet must be Belloq.

On the russians and the occult, mythology Etc.... I reakon they were trying to do something like with the game Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine because With it the russians in it were excavating some babalyon ruins looking for some machine so they contact some god


So yea going by what they've been doing with the russians with that game and this movie they seem to be going after stuff so they can contact more godlike beings rather then go with the nazi path to look for some artifact so they can gain some ultimate power.

I agree that the Russians in this were inferior screen-villians to the Nazis.

However, the real reason that the villians had no "ooomph" behind 'em in this is, that even if they were well acted -which they weren't- the tone of the whole movie being a family cineplex comedy would never allow for true menace.

A decent villian would perhaps have been wasted on this flick in that context.

NO WONDER Connery turned the script down.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Saw it at midnight. Really good! I really had a blast seen Indy crack the whip and run from deadly traps and making great escapes.

The villains were really good for Kingdom of the Skull. However, it does not feel the same. See, it would make more sense that the villains for this film were Nazis and not Ruskies. The thing is...Soviets weren't really big fans of Mythology or treasure hunting. They were more interested in space travel and nuclear weapons.

The Nazis were more mythical. It makes more sense to have had the film use former Nazis as villains trying to get to the skull and revive the Nazi regime during the early days of the cold war. At least that's how I see it.

So what do you think? Nazis over Soviets?

Go see Indiana Jones...you'll like it.

Though, unless I'm mistaken, Stalin was intrested in the possible, though doubtful, applications of mind-control, which was what the soviets were going for. Albet, it was a lowly funded and not as highly sought as space travel and nukes. And he was always looking for knowledge that noone else knew, to give him an edge if the war went hot.

I do, however think that the Nazis would have given Indy 4 more of a classic feel, but, who would have been leading them? I just kinda wish that Indy 4 had stuck closer to the actual legends of the cristal skulls than it did.

all-in-all, however, I enjoyed it. Not as much as Raders or the Last Crusade, but I thought it was beter than Temple of Doom. ( I didn't really care much for temple of doom.)

Temple of Doom was more of a true Indy film than this one though.
Its a classic.

Whereas this one is just a cynical homage to better days at best, imo.

Its a sad day when an appearance by Scrub's "The Janitor" isn't funny too.

Well, I'll watch it tonight. I hope I'll like it.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth


NO WONDER Connery turned the script down.

After that horrendous mess with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen I'm glad he retired.

I am now so curious about Frank Darabont's original script. Which is the one Lucas turned down... and now we have this. Has George been meddling again in JarJar mode?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
After that horrendous mess with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen I'm glad he retired.

Yea i also read a thing on that movie where Sean did'nt get along with the director and apparantly they had $185 million for the movie did'nt look it tho.

Quarrels...

Cate Blanchett was great (as per usual) but I have to say, Nazis make more menacing villains than Soviets.

Y'know, Nazis were just bad - makes you appreciate how Alison Doody managed to make Elsa sympathetic - but with the Soviets, you reach a grey area, because the USA weren't quite the golden heroes they made themselves out to be either.

Blanchett did great. Too bad her character didn't have much depth scriptwise.

Nope. But that was common for alot of characters. They just didn't get the breathing space needed to justify their presence in the film.

Originally posted by queeq
Blanchett did great. Too bad her character didn't have much depth scriptwise.

Or at all.

Felt disappointed for her and Ray Winstone.

Her accent work was dodgy too.

I thought it was good as did a Ukranian friend I have. She does love Blanchett though.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Or at all.

Felt disappointed for her and Ray Winstone.

Her accent work was dodgy too.

Ah well... we bought Connery's awful Russian accent in Red October...

I agree with the shallowness of the side kicks.

Compared to Sallah, Brody, Belloq, Mola Ram and even Short Round, Winston, Hurt and Blanchet had zilch to work with. Is Koepp to blame? Or Spielberg? Or that nefarious Lucas with his crappy SW prequels.? Cirucmstantial evidence suggests the latter.

Originally posted by queeq
Ah well... we bought Connery's awful Russian accent in Red October...

I agree with the shallowness of the side kicks.

Compared to Sallah, Brody, Belloq, Mola Ram and even Short Round, Winston, Hurt and Blanchet had zilch to work with. Is Koepp to blame? Or Spielberg? Or that nefarious Lucas with his crappy SW prequels.? Cirucmstantial evidence suggests the latter.
I don't get why Spielberg should listen to Lucas all the time... is he his prisonbitch or something?

Originally posted by exanda kane
I thought it was good as did a Ukranian friend I have. She does love Blanchett though.

Just inconsistant.

Originally posted by queeq
Ah well... we bought Connery's awful Russian accent in Red October...

I agree with the shallowness of the side kicks.

Compared to Sallah, Brody, Belloq, Mola Ram and even Short Round, Winston, Hurt and Blanchet had zilch to work with. Is Koepp to blame? Or Spielberg? Or that nefarious Lucas with his crappy SW prequels.? Cirucmstantial evidence suggests the latter.

We dont have to always site the SW prequels when slating Lucas...
'Revenge of the Sith' was way better than Speilberg's Transformers and War of the Worlds put together..

Originally posted by Jovan
I don't get why Spielberg should listen to Lucas all the time... is he his prisonbitch or something?

LOL Yeah and Coppola is top dog.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
LOL Yeah and Coppola is top dog.
so that makes... Indiana... Short Round .. Mutt... and Coppola? ?)

LOL
Indeed it does, you sick puppy lolz

Scary.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
We dont have to always site the SW prequels when slating Lucas...
'Revenge of the Sith' was way better than Speilberg's Transformers and War of the Worlds put together..
just for reference Spieldberg didn't make Transformers. Michael Bay did.

Obviously I have to go with Nazis in this one, I liked that they brought in the soviets though, they fit well, and I doubt it would've been any different if it had Nazis in it. Nazis have been depicted as the most evil of all groups for a long time now, though I think the soviets were worse along with Stalin, The Nazis will likely always be the preferable villain. I'm not sure if anything I just said made sense, but whatever.

We get it.

Why do you spell his name wrongly? You hate him that much?

No.. I admit that was just genuine oversight.

You always spell it like that.

Yup. Hell of an oversight, huh...?

Hope he can forgive my minor dyslexia....!!

I think he made KOTC as a punishment for your sins.

That would be pure overkill by "the desolate one".
(And as unneccesary as the cgi in his movie. )

It'd be like killing an ant by hitting it with a 50,000 megaton nuke.




























































































But hey, as long as that ant is in a fridge.....

Originally posted by exanda kane
Cate Blanchett was great (as per usual) but I have to say, Nazis make more menacing villains than Soviets.

Y'know, Nazis were just bad - makes you appreciate how Alison Doody managed to make Elsa sympathetic - but with the Soviets, you reach a grey area, because the USA weren't quite the golden heroes they made themselves out to be either.

Pretty much. There's a line by Amanda Waller in the fourth season of JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED, speaking about the goverment's fear of metahumans compared with the old days with the Russians - "Our enemy is never as evil as we make them to be. And maybe we're not quite as good as we like to think we are."

The best thing about Nazis as villains, is that you can go as far over the top as you want to, because their evil was so great, and people will accept it. The Russians were intimidating & mysterious, but it never did come to war with them. Plus, they had many socialist sympathizers in North America & abroad; locking such people up just made the U.S. look as heavy handed.

I guess people should read up on the Stalin days.

Originally posted by queeq
I guess people should read up on the Stalin days.

Stalin did terrible things, but his legacy in Russia is mixed, to this day.
Just like Mao in China, where even more people died. The people in both countries were grateful for how they were transformed from backward, rural nations with a small ruling class, into world superpowers. Both suffered the worst during the Second World War - Russia by the Germans, China by the Japanese - and became far stronger against any future invasions after the war. It was just the draconian, unforgiving process of reform & change in both countries that made them wonder why so much suffering was needed.
They're even talked about renaming Volgograd back to Stalingrad in the past few years. Though by his last days, he had become so despotic & paranoid he may have been poisoned to prevent starting war against the West (similar conspiracy theories still float about Gen. George Patton - stationed in Germany after the war, constantly blowing off about the Russian threat - dying in a bizarre traffic accident.)
Winston Churchill was always suspicious of Stalin & Russian motives, but he had no problem siding with him against Hitler & the Axis. They did need Russia to occupy the Nazis for most of the fighting while they prepared to re-enter Europe; it cost 25 million Russian lives by the end, nearly half of the wars total.
The interesting thing in the film is, Stalin had been dead for four years by 1957. I thought they're could have been a line joking about Premier Khrushchev in there.

Hehehe

Nazi do make for better villians they bring an attitude of we're going to destroye you all and rule the world kind of feel, they were more willing to do horrific things toward people witch makes you want to see Henry Jones kick some ass a little more then against a communist. Now im not saying that some of those communist governments around the world haven't done some mest up stuff to but come on now were talking about Nazis. Plus you feel more satisfied at the end of the movie when the bad guys head shrivels up and explodes all over the screen. either way I still liked the movie.

I like the Soviets.

nazi and american black and white good and evil whereas with russians the americans wernt the good guys either so its hard to reach a conclusion.

Why? Once you replace the word nazi by German we have the same thing.

Originally posted by queeq
I like the Soviets.

Yep thats the problem.

Just not as hateable as the Nazis.

Its like having Jaws the shark as your villian for Jaws and Jaws two, then having that little Hitler monkey from Raiders be the villian in the 3rd. And the monkey wears little armbands/waterwings.

Nah, I meant liking them as evil. They were for a long time ya know.

But not in this movie, regardless of their past credits in the world of evil.

They were the villian equivalent of Star Trek redshirts.

"The diet coke of evil, the margarin of evil" as Mike Myers would say.

The 'Raiders' Nazis and the 'Crusade' nazis rested on no laurels and spent a good amount of screentime being genuinely evil, convincing and assuring the audience of their evil crudentials.
You didn't have to be a student of world history to see that those were some serious bad mofos, as the evil was there to see, and by the end of the movie, you were ready to see them get exploded and melted and stuff which was a fantastic popcorn moment.

Ah yes, I agree about teh way teh Russians were depicted. They could have been worse. Guess political correctness set in somewhere.

And nazi's can always politically incorrect be made evil. In their case the reverse is what gets people on their seats (see Die Untergang)

Very true.

So, I state mty case for truly evil Soviets, Stalin-style.

the Soviets could have made good villains, but unfortunately lucas and whomever else decided to make this film geared more towards kids then people who could handle guys getting their hearts ripped out/faces melted off.

I love how the whole movie is all light hearted and then there's the randomly placed ant death scene from hell lol. The tone was just way off IMO

Another kiddie movie eh? Maybe Lucas is going a tad senile in his old age.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Saw it at midnight. Really good! I really had a blast seen Indy crack the whip and run from deadly traps and making great escapes.

The villains were really good for Kingdom of the Skull. However, it does not feel the same. See, it would make more sense that the villains for this film were Nazis and not Ruskies. The thing is...Soviets weren't really big fans of Mythology or treasure hunting. They were more interested in space travel and nuclear weapons.

The Nazis were more mythical. It makes more sense to have had the film use former Nazis as villains trying to get to the skull and revive the Nazi regime during the early days of the cold war. At least that's how I see it.

So what do you think? Nazis over Soviets?

Go see Indiana Jones...you'll like it. Nazi's > Soviets


It's like comparing Stifler (who's kind of a dick) to Emperor Palpatine (the manifestation of Evil).

Huh???

Stiffler: American Pie movies reference?

Yeah I got that... but I don't understand the comparison, or why's funny. Unless it has something to do with Emperor's mom.

I believe he was just saying that Stiffler'd make a less effective Villian than Palpatine, which is true.

And that the Russians, instead of being portrayed in any particularly effective threatening way come off as relatively harmless dicks (like stiffler) when compared with the forces of evil in the previous films (Almost a Palps levels of evil), but thats all I got from that...

I dont think humour was the guys point.

Man your Emporer's Mum vision is the most twisted image you've ever created in my mind...!!!!

*Goes to throw up into some lettuce*

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Saw it at midnight. Really good! I really had a blast seen Indy crack the whip and run from deadly traps and making great escapes.

The villains were really good for Kingdom of the Skull. However, it does not feel the same. See, it would make more sense that the villains for this film were Nazis and not Ruskies. The thing is...Soviets weren't really big fans of Mythology or treasure hunting. They were more interested in space travel and nuclear weapons.

The Nazis were more mythical. It makes more sense to have had the film use former Nazis as villains trying to get to the skull and revive the Nazi regime during the early days of the cold war. At least that's how I see it.

So what do you think? Nazis over Soviets?

Go see Indiana Jones...you'll like it.

Are you crazy? This movie was the most horrible waste of my time ever. I'd rather had my face punched into a heap of cowshit for 3 hours than ever have to watch this travesty again.


On topic though, Nazis are better villains.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Are you crazy? This movie was the most horrible waste of my time ever. I'd rather had my face punched into a heap of cowshit for 3 hours than ever have to watch this travesty again.


On topic though, Nazis are better villains.

100% Agreed on both counts.

Ah...

Well it does seem to be the consensus so far..

Well, I don't think the general concept of nazi's vs. russians is miscontrued. James Bond did very nicely with Russian baddies for a long long time. But maybe it's not politically correct to portray them as the embodiments of evil anymore. The nazi's can't sue, throw atomic bombs or diplomatically bother you.

Yeah but that was Bond.

Indy was Indy.

And lets face it, the villians in Indy IV were no Blofeld or Goldfinger.
If they had been in a Bond movie, they'd only have attained the rank of "Unmemorable henchmen". And would be dispatched with customary ease.

Originally posted by queeq
Well, I don't think the general concept of nazi's vs. russians is miscontrued. James Bond did very nicely with Russian baddies for a long long time. But maybe it's not politically correct to portray them as the embodiments of evil anymore. The nazi's can't sue, throw atomic bombs or diplomatically bother you.

Heh. Then that makes 'em more ripe for a stewing then....

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yeah but that was Bond.

Indy was Indy.

And lets face it, the villians in Indy IV were no Blofeld or Goldfinger.
If they had been in a Bond movie, they'd only have attained the rank of "Unmemorable henchmen". And would be dispatched with customary ease.

Well, that was my point actually.

Ah... I see. Sorry.

NP

Heres the thing you just reminded me of in the other thread....

Now Im no expert in Russian history, but some of the things you suggested as crudentials of their villiany, the Russkies sounded like they had their shit together in this regard, and your case was convincing.

Yet they didnt show much believeable villiany. (Just flashy sword fights and Kate Blanchett staring at people at lot while mind reading and stuff.)

But Rambo IV was a great example of how the villiany should be done on screen.

Now I knew f*** all whatsoever about the situation in the movies set location, knew nothing of the people or history at all.

Yet after the 1st ten minutes of that movie, after seeing that "Ladyboy c***" sergant (lol) playing those death games with innocent families...?

I knew instantly that these guys were scum and I couldnt wait for Rambo to inviscerate him with extreme prejudice.

They were memorabley nasty villians.

But a tad over the top. I think historically it's all bogus anyway. A villain should be both cruel and sympathetic if you ask me. That's why Belloq is great.

Yeah but not sympathetic to the point where Indy and pals are working together with them....

How less scary would Jaws be if he was one of Brody's freindly beach team...?

Good Villians must never sacrifice their evil/scary sides for the sake of that 'sympathetic to their plight on some level' aspect.

Even the Nazis in Raiders wouldnt have worked if they we could see what they were up to at every given moment, hanging with Indy.

They appear in the movie very suddenly as very bad news for indy and then they disapper. Indy at no point hung out with them at their camp, at no point did he help them find the macguffin he fought them all the way.

I actually sometimes want Gruber to pull that raid off when I watch Die Hard, but he was a memorable villian that along with Khan, Emporer Palpatine will live on in my memory til I die.

Could they not have had Javier Bardhem reprise his "No country for old men" role for the Soviets..? There was barely one memorable thing about the villians this time. He'd have sorted that out though..

With sympathetic I don't mean buddies, but that you can kinda understand them. Raiders has a wonderful pallet of baddies though, which makes the script so clever. There is not one baddies, it's a group of baddies. There's Belloq, but also Toht and Dietrich. Now Toth is just plain evil, but Belloq and Dietrich are portrayed with more humanity. Belloq with his double agenda, one of whic is similar to Indy's. Dietrich has doubts about Belloq's strategy and fears the Fuhrer. I thought that was quite wonderful.
Even ToD has the ambiguous characters like Chatter Lal (first very friendly and slightly understandably defensive, then his other side shows up: he's a baddie) and the young Sultan (bad but not wanting to be bad) and then there is one real baddie in the form of Mola Ram.
Even in TLC, where they villains get more stereotyped like the nazi officer (that's how we say goodbye in Germany), there's Elsa and Donovan...
Compare that to Indy 5, there's an attempt to a similar pallet but it doesn't work at all.

I agree with your group of baddies. Gruber is unsuspassed in many respects. A sympthetic side makes them more dangerous if you ask me.

Sure, I knew you drew that distinction, but these writers who did Indy IV had no clue whatsoever.

Indy 5....? We are still writing that.

Heh we definitely are reading from the same page.

I keep making that mistake. Must be some unconscious desire to distantiate TAOS from the other three.

lmao

Who can blame you...? I cant.

In fact Ive adopted from this moment onwards, a policy of dropping the "Indiana Jones and the..." part of the movie's title.
TAOMFS, KOTCS or simply "That goddamned awful, shitty movie" will have to suffice.

TGASM....??? What's a t-gasm?

Sadapedia says:

'A metaphorical orgasm caused by that first cup of Tetleys first thing in the morning.'

TAOS has been upgraded to a TAOS as "The Aliens of mother f**king shit."

Due to my being foolish enough to try watching it again this week.
Needless to say I never made it past the bit where Indy is depressively reflecting on everybody being gone.
"Yeah...along with the writing talent behind his previous adventures"
was the thought that 'caused the termination of that sitting.
But I had watched long enough to be annoyed already by the impending involvement of the aliens.
I feel unclean. It wont come off! It wont come offffffffffffffff....!!!!!!!!!

Out damn spot...

So it's TAMS now... ? Hmm...

TAOMFS

I goofed.

Mofo is one word, no? You goof!

Only when hyphonated.

But yeah I am generally a goof.

Congrats.

Thanks. This was my masters thesis in goofery and shenanigans.

I bet you got a funny hat when you graduated.

I did it was a real mortar board.
It still had cement on it and everything...

It sure became you, I am sure.

Besides. Whilst wearing it, I was that bit safer from falling things from above.

Like Indy's credibility and the value of the pound.

And hopefully Megan Fox, at some point.

I wish I could promise her a soft landing, but........

Megan Fox???

Yeah still gorgeous, IMO I'd catch her....no handed.

*googles Megan Fox*

YUM YUM!!!

Told ya....


I'd buy that for a dollar..!!!

Sweet... I'll pay two.

Smart man.

Indeed.

Repeats in Waynes World fashion:
"One day she will be mine......oh yessssss....she willllll be mine....."

I'm not worthy!!!!

I took out the tiger with a can of mace...but the shopkeeper and his son were a different story altogether...........


































I had to beat them to death with their own shoes.

Err... you lost me there.

Del Preston.

Legendary Roadie.

In Waynes World 2.

Played by Ralph Brown (almost reprising his role in 'Withnail and I'.)

Ah... been a long time since I saw that. Never was a big fan. I liked the Alice Cooper bit though... but then Alice Cooper is cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wRSHXhJzsY&feature=related

Okay, cheers.

No probs, noone should have to miss out on a monologue like that...

Yours didn't work too well, got another. Quite funny.

Ahhhh sorry man....

Worked last I checked. Those damned filthy baboons at youtube.

Well, it worked, but it paused every 5 seconds.

Ahhhh A slow bandwidth day eh...?

Prolly.. dunno.

Nazis! Nazis! Nazis!!!

So villainous that they were memorable as villians.

Unlike those darn charisma-less Russkies.

So you like Nazis?

I Likes my Nazis bad.

Had the Nunchaku clothes hanger dude just acted as blandly as the soviets did, Raiders couldnt have worked.

Indy is an morally ambigous role. So you REALLY have to have a decent bad guy/total and utter bastard to balance that against.

If the raiders Nazis were "Nice" Nazis, it wouldn't have worked.

True. But the bad guy balance in Raiders was flawless. In TLC there was a similiar construction but I felt de nazi colonel was just mean for being mean. Dietrich I felt was a very good go-between for Belloq and Toht... Brilliant.

Yeah...but you do actually get people like that IRL where they are often mean for meanness' sake.

I agree. Its is a paradigm of villiany. That movie'll never get old, for me.

Yeah peeps can be mean... but in general I like baddies that have more ambiguity to them. They make a longer impression. For instance, compare the baddies from Die Hard 1 en Die Hard 3... same family, same opponent, same intentions... but Rickman's lasts longer than Irons'. Why? Because we don't really get a grasp on what he's after, plus he's charming as well. Irons' baddie is just out for money and revenge.

The 'sympathetic villian' angle.

I agree.





























I just think that in Indy IV they went for the the 'just-pathetic villain' angle.

Well sympthatic... ambiguous is a better word maybe... it makes them more difficult to fathom and therefor creepier.

I agree with that.

The Hans Gruber argument is impossible to deny.

It is. I like Hans.

He'd have been a great villian for Indy.

Oh yes.

Lets hope that at somepoint he invests money in Nakatomi investment group at some point after the movies...

Yeah Thatd be a way of doing it.... And then as Indy'll mercifully be dead by the time of the 1980s, he could fight Mutt, killing him finally.

Yay!

Maybe his dad was a nazi.

Gruber's...? Hah! He'd be about the right age, probably.

Exactly. Indiana Jones and the Quest for Gruber's Dad.

A movie where "John Wayne does not walk off into the sunset with Grace Kelly."

Damn.

Or Gary Cooper for that matter.

Too bad though.

McClane preferred Roy Rogers: Fact.

He really dug those sequinned shirts.







Actually I suspect that McClane was just being sarcastic busting Hans balls a bit.

I'm sure he was, but Roy did give us the Yippeekayay, mofo line.

Bless him for it.

As respected as "Do you feel lucky...?" in the line of true great lines in movie history.

Indeed.
Rewatching DH 1, 3 and 4, it's surprising how rarely he says it though. Amazing.

Indeed, being both a masterful and experienced mass murderer with a badge/prestigious verbal abuser, he avoids overuse and saves it for special dispatchings.

Schwarzenegger never learned from that.
His I'll be back just broke the fourth wall too much in every movie he did that wasnt Terminator (minus 'Last action hero' of course, where the fourth wall breakage was quite deliberate and well done)

TRue. And even in T1 it wasn't never intended as a memorable line.

Yep. When he said and the came back like THAT, it worked.

Indeed. Cameron at his best. I wonder what Avatar's gonna be like.

Indeed. I look forward to that.

Apparently it has actors in common with T4.

Cameron recommend the guy who is playing a younger version of Arnold (voiced in post by Arnold) to the T4 director from his work on that very same flick, apparently.

Yeah I know. T4 sounds interesting. I don't know anything about Avatar yet, except years of rumour.

I wasn't very impressed by Cameron's documentaries though. Watching the Titanic thing and the Bismarck doc, my hands got itchy. he should have let me do them.

His abyss 'making of' showd his ruthlessness..
He nearly drowned his own brother. (his brother was one of the the corpses on the sub...I believe it was the one where a spider or eel crawls out of his gob...)

Really??? Never heard that before. Bizarre.

Soviets make great villains, and carry on from the Nazis nicely. There's a rich history of amusing cliches there to explore in the same vein as drawing from the old serials.

Of course, Indy 4 sucked Nuclear Hot Dogs regardless.

Yep And not even good hotdogs..... ones with extra lips and ass in them.

We just wanted some Saerkrauts with it, not Russians.

Thats right. No Russians, no "comedy" gophers and no f***in Aliens.

Its Indy, dammit.

Or: it was Indy....

They raped our friend, Sadako... they raped him.