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Plot Kai Redux!!
Captain Britain/UK Fails and die. The Fury follows its programming and decides kill every super powered character. Two cosmics take notice and will not put up with diz shit. Galactus the Space God prepares and the Phoenix descends from the cosmos.

Do they get the Job done?

The Players
Galactus has absorbed every iota from its ship the Taa2.
White Phoenix of the Crown
Fury Prime

Location
Uninhabited Dimension, of unknown location.

Galactus and Phoenix for the win

The creation of a mad reality warper is not up to par here, i would take any one of them over the fury

I am not of the school of thinking that one survives nullification,it makes them immune to eveything else, plus with the damage fury will take he wont be reparing himself fast enough

That is if he even was nullified, i have my doubts

Fury will adapt and destroy.

The Fury withstood nullification at ground zero unscathed,
but the entire universe around him
and everything in it was erased from existence.

Fury's durability > Eternity/Infinity, Galactus, WC, meh, almost whoever.

Fury was unbothered by 238 Jaspers' warp,
238 Jaspers > Galactus and WC combined.

Fury was able to resist 616 Jaspers' warp too,
Jaspers had to add physical engagement for the fight to last,
ultimately, it's Fury's character to find a way to win,
and so he did, and killed Jaspers.

616 Jaspers > 238 Jaspers > yall know the rest.


It's not in Fury's abilities to erase or damage concepts, (that I know of)
but any form the concept takes in order to battle can be damaged,
so imo, Fury defeats their manifested forms,
but probably can't damage the concept in it's natural state.

Fury

Maybe MJJ couldn't beat because it was his powers that created it. That could be a reason why he could not beat him, but thats just a theory until i find how to prove it (but i have my doubts). YOu say MJJ 238 is greater then Big G and P of that reality or just in general. The fury beat MJJ 616 only because he was in a void where there was no reality to manipulate so MJJ was essential a person with no powers. When you said nullification you mean the Ultimate NUll device Big G has or is this something else? Just want to know a few things before i make a decision.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

Maybe MJJ couldn't beat because it was his powers that created it. That could be a reason why he could not beat him, but thats just a theory until i find how to prove it (but i have my doubts).
616 Jaspers didn't create the Fury though.

238 Jaspers (another being from another universe) created the Fury.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

When you said nullification
you mean the Ultimate NUll device Big G has or is this something else?
Cosmic Nullifiers do the same thing, they erase Time and Space.

It was the Celestial Nullifier, which is basically the same thing as the UN.

The difference?

The CN has a greater range of influence (any universe in the Omniverse)

The UN has a greater scale of influence (the Multiverse at once)

But whether you nullify a mouse or the Multiverse,
you're committing the same action on both targets (nullification)

So range and scale mean nothing in the end,
because the end result is the same. (erased from existence)

Originally posted by Mr Master
616 Jaspers didn't create the Fury though.

238 Jaspers (another being from another universe) created the Fury.


Cosmic Nullifiers do the same thing, they erase Time and Space.

It was the Celestial Nullifier, which is basically the same thing as the UN.

The difference?

The CN has a greater range of influence (any universe in the Omniverse)

The UN has a greater scale of influence (the Multiverse at once)

But whether you nullify a mouse or the Multiverse,
you're committing the same action on both targets (nullification)

So range and scale mean nothing in the end,
because the end result is the same. (erased from existence)

Hmmm.... you logic is agreeable to one who does not know much about the CN. I guess it makes sense. So the CN your saying is just a fun snack size of the UN adult platter? I guess if the function is the same but one just reaches farther I guess. HMm would the WC be able to bring THe fury to the WHR? Surely he will die there but then again that would be outside the battlefield.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

Hmmm.... you logic is agreeable to one who does not know much about the CN.
I guess it makes sense.
So the CN your saying is just a fun snack size of the UN adult platter?
I guess if the function is the same but one just reaches farther I guess.
They're basically the same.

Both utterly nullify Time and Space. (no matter the range)

Originally posted by Lord Feron

HMm would the WC be able to bring THe fury to the WHR?
Surely he will die there
but then again that would be outside the battlefield.
Why would he surely die there?

Fury is just as safe there as anywhere else, I don't see any reason why not.

I already think The fury takes it here according to what i know so far. As for the WHR I think Fury will die here because Seems like Pheonix is in control of this part of space and time. I don't have a concrete reason but Idk something about the usual means of getting there is through being dead so i surmised that the process of taking THe fury there may kill him. The phoenix host does great things in the WHR maybe great enough to kill the fury. Again all this is speculation.

ON a side note does this pretty much make him the strongest machine of all comics? He sounds pretty damn badass.

Fury had control of space, time and much more. That didn't help stop the Fury, and apparently Psylocke can manipulate the WHR room as well.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

As for the WHR I think Fury will die here
because Seems like Pheonix is in control of this part of space and time.
Jaspers controlled Reality in all it's forms, and it wasn't enough.

Originally posted by Lord Feron

I don't have a concrete reason but Idk something about the usual means of getting there is through being dead so i surmised that the process of taking THe fury there may kill him.
Nah, Betsy and Rachel were there playing around. and they were alive.

Jamie also warped the WHR effortlessly.
Originally posted by Lord Feron

The phoenix host does great things in the WHR
maybe great enough to kill the fury. Again all this is speculation.
Phoenix repaired a Universe.

And even if she might've been able to destroy it, it won't help.

Fury withstood the Celestial Nullifier, it can erase any entire Universe in the Omniverse.
Originally posted by Lord Feron

ON a side note does this pretty much make him the strongest machine of all comics?
He sounds pretty damn badass.
He's part organic, part machine.

Fury was no joke indeed.

Aight you convinced I will eat hotdogs for dinner... wait what! Aight for rizzle The Fury is the Shizzle ...Oh yeah part organic....Does that make him unbeatable mentally since he is part machine?

He would adapt.

Galactus /w/ Taa II, wins.

Originally posted by llagrok

After he realizes it?

Do you think The Fury is some dumb shit with super powers?


Actually, the Fury is just gonna stand there and allow his energy to be drained,
while simultaneously being pummeled by the other mate.

Fury isn't known fighting back as we know,
and Galactus and Jean
should be able to simply pound away a creature that survived unharmed time & space being nullified.

Draining Fury should be even easier,
we know this because 238 Jaspers' warp had zero affect on Fury,
and Fury was able to resist 616 Jaspers' warp long enough to prevail.

And although matrix/Merlyn was an absolute Omniversal power,
literally with absolute power over time/space across the Omniverse,
and 238 Jaspers > matrix/Marlyn, and 616 Jaspers > 238 Jaspers,
doesn't mean Universal powers, like Phoenix, and Galactus, can't just drain and pound for the win.


So yea, team for the easy win against a paralyzed Fury. shifty

Really though since Fury could be recharged by minerals in the soil I don't see him having more energy in him then Galactus can absorb. Also he was defeated just by being cut into by MJJ's claws over and over again, so they could probably just batter him around. Phoenix will hold him at bay and just generally fight him while Big G drains him and then then just blow him up for the finish. Fighting smart the team should take 6-7/10.

WPTOC/Galactus FTW

Originally posted by King Kandy

Really though since Fury could be recharged by minerals in the soil I don't see him having more energy in him then Galactus can absorb.
Actually Fury was depicted absorbing anything for regeneration.

So Fury is not limited to absorbing "soil."
Originally posted by King Kandy

Also he was defeated just by being cut into by MJJ's claws over and over again,
so they could probably just batter him around.
Nah.

Fury was being warped and "clawed into" simultaneously.

Jaspers' warp in fact, damaged Fury, as much as the physical combat.

(not to post the entire fight)
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4425/furyeu0.th.jpg

The Fury had to continuously shape-shift out of the warps, by adapting on the go,
while also physically engaging Jaspers head on,
on top of that,
the Fury simultaneously teleported itself and Jaspers across UniverseS during the entire battle.

This combination of factors is what weakened the Fury to the point where UK killed it,
not before Fury nearly Captain Britain even though it was weakened terribly.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Phoenix will hold him at bay and just generally fight him
while Big G drains him and then then just blow him up for the finish.
Fighting smart the team should take 6-7/10.
Phoenix attacks Fury, Fury immediately adapts to Phoenix,
and re-creates a planetary EMP which explodes the Force itself into billions of pieces.
(been done before) so one quickly down.

Fury simultaneously adapts to G,
withstanding Galactus' "energy drain"
then goes toe to toe with Galactus, Fury easily resists G's physical attacks,
Fury then adapts again, but now it's Galactus that begins to weaken,
so Fury teleports Galactus into an imploding universe,
Galactus dies.


See good friend,
I can create an imaginary scenario too, where my guy wins.

Originally posted by id369

Captain UK and Captain Britian are vastly outclassed by the cosmic duel.
In the same fashion the cosmic duel is ridiculously outclassed by Jaspers' power.

And Jaspers' power wasn't enough.
Originally posted by id369

After they where the ones that ended its rampage with blunt force.
After battling across UniverseS one of the truly most powerful beings ever.

Let's be precise.

You pulled off a mountain of twist and turns to your comments and a few scans to show how The Fury survived the destruction of the universe, and adapted to reality warp. Yet neither is even remotely related to a time stop or a time freeze. Reality warp, was not used in such a manner, so no you can not say he has a adapted to a power set, he has not bin exposed off.

Can you actually bring something cohesive, are am I to expect the same redundancy from here on?

lmao

Talk about not wanting to face the facts.

Originally posted by llagrok
lmao

Talk about not wanting to face the facts.

which are?

Originally posted by id369

You pulled off a mountain of twist and turns to your comments and a few scans to show how The Fury survived the destruction of the universe, and adapted to reality warp. Yet neither is even remotely related to a time stop or a time freeze. Reality warp, was not used in such a manner, so no you can not say he has a adapted to a power set, he has not bin exposed off.
If you say so, if you can't face the facts though, there's no point in this debate.

Originally posted by id369

Can you actually bring something cohesive,
are am I to expect the same redundancy from here on?
Gibberish.

Come back when you have evidence to contradict what I'm saying.

Originally posted by llagrok

lmao

Talk about not wanting to face the facts.
Originally posted by id369

which are?
Time & Space make up Reality? ... doh


(Eternity - embodiment of Time)

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/589/et17py.th.jpg


(Infinity - embodiment of Space)

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/4365/et27wf.th.jpg

"Together with Eternity it encompasses all creation" (Reality)



616 Jaspers, with absolute control of both Concepts: (reality)

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/7223/m18gy5.th.jpg

Since you're probably being honest about you ignorance concerning Fury,
I'll bare with ya and throw some pearls of knowledge at ya.

============================================


So you wanna see Fury resisting a Time-based attack specifically?


Ok, I really thought the proof I presented would be enough,
but if I must ...


http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6455/fury2pb2.th.jpg

"Time distorts around her.
Motion breaks down into juddering stroboscopic images.
Seconds stretch into centuries.
Aeons condense into instants"

..........................................................................................................


Fascination (Scatterbrain) wasn't even trying to hurt Brian,
and she knocked him out cold.

When Scatterbrain wants to hurt you,
this TIME affect expands across the Omniverse!

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7394/scxt9.th.jpg

"And with her touch,
the guard finds his Consciousness
instantly expanded across the Infinite breadth of the Omniverse"

==============================================


Now imagine the kind of attack
Scatterbrain unleashed on the Fury after he killed some of her team mates:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/428/f9mt8.th.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2418/f10iv8.th.jpg


Her touch is all that's needed,
yet she clawed her fingers into the Fury's head like a savage!

Fury immediately adapted, and owned Scatterbrain,
and Brian who tried to help.


thankyou ... As a reasonable man, I'm sure you'll now concede.

looks like Fury's power was seriously underestimated

Sorry, but I don't buy the fact that Fury would be over Galactus after absorbing TaaII. Galactus would devore the Fury. He would absorb it, destroying him in the process.


I just can't figure that Mad Jim Jasper, a mere mutant, could be OVER the concept of equality.

team for the easy win.

To be quite honest, I'm not sure. Fury could win depending on the situation, but if the only way to kill it is to put as much damage output as Jaspers did, I think that it will overcome both entities.

meh, i still think that galactus devouring taa II (ie. "perhaps the greatest energy source in the universe":

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/934963_taa.jpg

gives him the decisive edge in this particular battle. awesrg

ok fury was programmed to go after all superbeings right ?

so how come it didn't go after Merlyn ?



also how come it survived destruction of reality ? especially since it had never gone through this before
(is it just a cyborg or is it a "mystical" cyborg like imbued with MJJ's magic or something ?)

better yet how it it survived the nullifier yet its creator didn't ? how could MJJ238 give his creation powers he himself didn't have ?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

ok fury was programmed to go after all superbeings right ?

so how come it didn't go after Merlyn ?
Merlyn was never a super being from the 238 Universe.

Merlyn was an Omniversal God.

Oh and yea, 238 Jaspers was still more powerful than Merlyn ... ouch.

Ouch ... when we realize 616 Jaspers was FAR more powerful than 238 Jaspers.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

also how come it survived destruction of reality ?
especially since it had never gone through this before
It's durability.

Although Fury did get damaged after traveling across who knows how many UniverseS,
in order to reach 616.

We'll never know what obstacles the Fury must've endured during that incredible trip.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

better yet how it it survived the nullifier yet its creator didn't ?

how could MJJ238 give his creation powers he himself didn't have ?
That's how it works when you're God of Reality.

Best answer I can give while not possessing a piece of Moore's mind.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Merlyn was never a super being from the 238 Universe.

Merlyn was an Omniversal God.yeah but fury went after other superbeings from 616 after that so normally he would've gone after every superbeing in the omniverse

(btw I thought the only omniversal gods were Eternity Infinity Death Oblivion & Living Tribunal ??? didn't know that Merlyn was among them too)

so this means the MJJs are even more powerful than LT & the rest then ?

(I guess this thread I made ain't so far fetched as some ppl think :
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t496725.html )


so it was some kinda supernatural droid then ? infused with MJJ's essence & even more or something like that ? 'cause just flesh & metal can't survive that so there had to be more to it. they never detailed how it was made or even what it was made of

that's another thing - it did get damaged during its 1st "slide" to annoher verse but then it would've adapted to the damage caused by sliding - so we can assume that during next slides it never got damaged again right ?

yeah but that's just unreal

doesn't make sense (unless he got access to some tech/magic beyond his own but they never specified)

oh well


better yet why did MJJ have to create some mystical droid instead of just taking care of the heroes himself ? why didn't he just warp them all ? for example just turn them all into rocks or something (mxyzptlk-style )

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

yeah but fury went after other superbeings from 616 after that so normally he would've gone after every superbeing in the omniverse
Not at all.

The only reason Fury travelled to 616 was to chase down a 238 inhabitant,
which escaped 238 before it was nullified.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

(btw I thought the only omniversal gods were Eternity Infinity Death Oblivion & Living Tribunal ??? didn't know that Merlyn was among them too)
We all learn, as we go.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

so this means the MJJs are even more powerful than LT & the rest then ?

(I guess this thread I made ain't so far fetched as some ppl think :
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t496725.html
MJJ was not more powerful than the LT.
(there are different levels of omnipotence in Marvel)

And that thread is ridiculous.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

so it was some kinda supernatural droid then ? infused with MJJ's essence & even more or something like that ? 'cause just flesh & metal can't survive that so there had to be more to it. they never detailed how it was made or even what it was made of
The Fury was not infused with 238 MJJ's essence.

The Fury was thought into existence by a reality God of the 238 Universe, (238 MJJ)
and it was given it's durability on a whim, 238 Jaspers' whim.

And actually the arc did in fact describe exactly what Fury was made of,
I don't have the time right now to crop the scans,
so I'll post them tomorrow.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

that's another thing - it did get damaged during its 1st "slide" to annoher verse but then it would've adapted to the damage caused by sliding - so we can assume that during next slides it never got damaged again right ?
No where on panel or in any bio
is it stated or alluded that Fury was damaged by "sliding" from one Universe to another.

I gave my reasons according to the arc's vague description what it might've been:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=497078&pagenumber=4

But the fact is, we have no idea what exactly it was,
it surely wasn't crossing Universal barriers, which is a joke to do so.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

yeah but that's just unreal
These are comic books friend, nothing is real.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

doesn't make sense
(unless he got access to some tech/magic beyond his own but they never specified)
Fury didn't have access to any tech save it's own,
which is was able to create out of it's own form.

It's quite simple friend:

I am God, and I wish to make you more invulnerable than I.

See.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

better yet why did MJJ have to create some mystical droid instead of just taking care of the heroes himself ? why didn't he just warp them all ? for example just turn them all into rocks or something (mxyzptlk-style)
He didn't have to, he did it, cause he was insane,
and wanted to have some cruel fun while disposing of the heroes.

238 Jaspers completely warped that entire Universe into a reality of lunacy,
so we KNOW without a doubt, it was just his form of a twisted joke.

Originally posted by Mr Master And actually the arc did in fact describe exactly what Fury was made of, I don't have the time right now to crop the scans,
so I'll post them tomorrow.k thx

but isn't sliding (or whatever) supposed to be like instantaneous ? (*poof* out of one verse, *poof* into another) if so what could damage it ? you say he could've been bombarded but then between different realities there is...nothing, right ?so it would vanish out of one reality, travel through "nothing" (during which "nothing" could happen if u get my drift...sry if I'm not clear enough ) and then appear into the new reality


also is it damaged only when it uses its own transreality drive or does it get damaged when it is transported by someone else too ? (because in its fight against MJ616 they show them teleporting to different verses but it's not clear if it's MJJ or Fury doing the teleporting. we only know Fury did the last teleporting to unreality but we don't know who did the previous ones)

yeah but c'mon this ain't no excuse for ditching consistency :/ it's not much unlike TV actually there's consistent sci-fi and inconsistent sci-fi (the latter like SG1 in the final seasons for example)


sure but then if you're god you can make yourself even more invulnerable than you are etc. etc.

MJJ616 could've done the same in his battle with fury instead of just shapeshifting & keeping that silly grin of his during the whole fight (lol)

so unless mjj was really stupid (or insane) the only reason he didn't make himself more invulnerable than himself or the fury would be because he simply couldn't do it so he wasn't God (not in absolute sense anyway)

one more thing tho :Originally posted by Mr Master
And that thread is ridiculous. O RLY ?

ok then explain how on earth (or elsewhere ^^) can LT or even TOAA kill the fury (I'm serious. comics clearly place Fury above even omega mutants ie. he's basically a COSMIC level being, at least toward the end)


if you think there's a way LT can do it, then name it

just one way

any way

fire away !

Galactus throws a planetoid at him.
Fury hates rocks.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/FantasticFour075-17.jpg

This thread is very old but I have only just got to it, but I have a working theory in how the Fury can be defeated. So far the Fury can adapt anything, can cross dimensions and survived the Ultimate Nullifier. So this is a tough call, but depending on what is classified as an alternate dimension you could technically write him out of existence very simply.

Some may say that the "what if" storylines are something that exist in an alternate reality as they don't form part of canon, such as the hilarious skit of Aunt May become Galactus herald and him feeding on twinkies. If that is true then any notion of traditional "rules" are off the table and anything is possible, even to the point where a previously unconsidered hero had the ability to take out the Fury for whatever reason the writer deemed fit. In this instance you could have a "what if" storyline of the Fury blowing away the Hulk and some debris smashing the windscreen of Howard the Duck's taxicab, Howard gets mad and Quack-Fu's the Fury to death because the only thing that can harm the Fury is duck feathers.

The other possibility which is even more of a stretch is to assume that our reality, that of the reader, is also an accessible reality for the Fury and because characters such as Deadpool regularly break the 4th wall would allude to that being a possibility. Taking that on board Stan Lee could wield his instrument of ultimate power and just write a storyline where the Fury is destroyed in tragic gardening accident (or whatever) and as he is linked via his alternate reality it makes it so everywhere.

For everything else however, I think the Fury wins, except maybe if the Beyonder tries out against him but at that level we are outside the realm of a realistic fight that could be understood by humans.

Team

Fury gets absolutely smashed

I bet you wont say that to his face.