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The most powerful version of Darkseid, with a year of prep

The most powerful version of Darksied is an abstract being who hasn't been introduced yet.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The most powerful version of Darksied is an abstract being who hasn't been introduced yet. So hence we use the most powerful version of Darkseid who has been introduced. GDS I suppose.

Still waiting for the True DS

Originally posted by guy222
Still waiting for the True DS Yeah this morrison guy is ruining Darkseid and making him one of those undebatable characters. He wont be fun to debate with anymore.

Like we discussed before, if Flash beats DS. Tripping over stairs will pale in comparsion

Originally posted by guy222
Like we discussed before, if Flash beats DS. Tripping over stairs will pale in comparsion

darksied has nothing on morpheus. morpheus is an endless and capable of far more than darksied.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah this morrison guy is ruining Darkseid and making him one of those undebatable characters. He wont be fun to debate with anymore. "this morrison guy".

Lulz.

Originally posted by guy222
Like we discussed before, if Flash beats DS. Tripping over stairs will pale in comparsion Is Flash supposed to square off against Darkseid? That could potentially be horrible for DS's rep.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah this morrison guy is ruining Darkseid and making him one of those undebatable characters. He wont be fun to debate with anymore. Lulz at you downplaying Morrison.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Lulz at you downplaying Morrison. I am not downplaying Morrison. I simply think his view of things is way off imo. But who knows maybe he will surprise me.

I have never seen a form/era of DS so powerful that I'd believe he could defeat a conceptual being like Morpheus, under his own power. Same coin, I've never really seen anything from Morpheus, which would lead me to believe he is capable of taking down Darky, at his most powerful.

Now, if DS has access to NG tech , it would give him a decisive victory, imo.

Galan: What about the ALE?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Galan: What about the ALE? I've never seen DS utilize the ALE in a way that would lead me to believe he could've affected a conceptual being such as Morpheus with it.

Originally posted by Galan007
I've never seen DS utilize the ALE in a way that would lead me to believe he could've affected a conceptual being such as Morpheus with it.

Didn't Red Orion use it against the Black Racer?

Taking Morpheus

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Didn't Red Orion use it against the Black Racer? I don't recall.

Even if he did though, that's still not enough for me to believe the ALE can manipulate Morpheus in any lasting fashion. To do so would require power enough to manipulate the thoughts/imaginations/dreams of every being in creation - that's something I've yet to see from an ALE user, personally.

Now destroy every living thing in creation, and you'd beat Morpheus by default - but that's also something I've yet to see an ALE user accomplish (lol).

It was a longshot. srug

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It was a longshot. srug

Darkseid's most powerful was using the ale in dotng, but I believe Morpheus has the ability to summon the life equation and did in a battle and beat a demon using the ale, anyone know the full story about that?

Originally posted by kevdude
Darkseid's most powerful was using the ale in dotng, but I believe Morpheus has the ability to summon the life equation and did in a battle and beat a demon using the ale, anyone know the full story about that? Nothing happened worthy of mention. That scene has been grosely exaggerated, afaic. ermm

A year of prep for darkseid....this is where i am undecided, i agree with most darkseid would loose head up,hmmmmmmm, would some say countdown and DOTNG-would be a year prep for darkseid?....i am trying to gauge it, lets say superman never distracted the source....could the source have summond orion? and if not would darkseid have succeded?

I am undecided.....i think its a good match though

The Source would have summoned Orion anyway just like he got out of Darkseids grip (easily). Morpheus should calling on the equation and win as he is the king of dreams and all gods are birthed from him except the source.

Originally posted by kevdude
The Source would have summoned Orion anyway just like he got out of Darkseids grip (easily). Morpheus should calling on the equation and win as he is the king of dreams and all gods are birthed from him except the source.

Your probably right, i just am curious to the fact that the source eluded that superman distracted darkseid, and it looked like if there was no outside interference, that darkseid was going to win....and would that indicate a year prep for darkseid?

Originally posted by starlock
Your probably right, i just am curious to the fact that the source eluded that superman distracted darkseid, and it looked like if there was no outside interference, that darkseid was going to win....and would that indicate a year prep for darkseid?

I don't think a year prep would do it maybe as long as prep as he had against the Source but he was scheming for centuries

Originally posted by kevdude
Darkseid's most powerful was using the ale in dotng, but I believe Morpheus has the ability to summon the life equation and did in a battle and beat a demon using the ale, anyone know the full story about that? When did he use the full power of the ale? Scans?

I really don't see DS being able to do anything to Morpheus...after all, even Gods dream...

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did he use the full power of the ale? Scans?

Scans will come later tonight had to reinstall scanner, you have the books though

Originally posted by kevdude
Scans will come later tonight had to reinstall scanner, you have the books though Yes thats why I am asking you seem to be the only one saying he used the ale. I await the scans tonight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes thats why I am asking you seem to be the only one saying he used the ale. I await the scans tonight.

I'm not the 'only' one. I shouldn't really need the scans as you have the books but if thats the only way..

The problem is Morpheus could just pluck the ALE from Darkseids dreams amongst a whole lot of other crazy things not much Darkseid could do then.

Here we go, the first scan shows Darkseid talking about Mister Miracle knowing about the ALE and sometime soon he will have it as well.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2148/scan0001hg1.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2148/scan0001hg1.3b457018b0.jpg

Second scan Desaad giving Darkseid the Soul Fire Project serum, which will give Darkseid the full knowledge of the ALE.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5420/scan0017as2.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5420/scan0017as2.8c059db1f8.jpg

Third scan Darkseid asking Desaad to go get the Soul Fire Project serum
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4284/scan0002rt2.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4284/scan0002rt2.394a8d42d0.jpg

Fourth scan Darkseid awaiting the battle and talking about the Soul Fire Project.

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/3820/scan0003mu3.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/3820/scan0003mu3.2c720230f6.jpg
more scans to come

First scan Darkseid awaiting the battle

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1894/scan0004hc8.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1894/scan0004hc8.b4ccc19187.jpg

Second scan Darkseid taking the surem and he bursts into flames only the dead New Gods souls powers keeping him alive.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3871/scan0005ja4.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3871/scan0005ja4.222faad271.jpg
Third scan battle taking place and cutting beyond reality into the bleed, watch as other dimensions fly pass...
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/7712/scan0006wt3.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/7712/scan0006wt3.c7c3abc2d7.jpg
Fourth scan Darkseid thinks he won and joins with the Source.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2185/scan0007jz4.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2185/scan0007jz4.9ee4eb2f34.jpg

First scan the Source sits back watches events and talks with DS

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8778/scan0009ve7.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8778/scan0009ve7.bd348de50b.jpg

Second scan Superman attacks as he was allowed to be a witness to the battle and the end of the Fourth World.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8590/scan0010ws3.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8590/scan0010ws3.b87e40b169.jpg

Darkseid takes him out and The Source brings Orion back from the dead to kill Darkseid.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5316/scan0011yg9.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5316/scan0011yg9.4751c41af2.jpg

The Source talking about the prophecy that is suppose to happen and will.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1534/scan0012iq5.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1534/scan0012iq5.4517376109.jpg

First scan Orion and Darkseid battling.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1881/scan0013gr7.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1881/scan0013gr7.af0c0b6dbb.jpg

Second scan is the Source asking how Darkseid does not burst into flames having knowledge of the ale and he states "the Combined Power of the New God's souls staves off that fate".
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9540/scan0008ot5.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9540/scan0008ot5.dd0f31a0bf.jpg

Third scan the Source telling Superman "all that needed to be done Has been done", Superman looks over surprised he freed himself and the Source says " I am The Source".
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7841/scan0014nr2.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7841/scan0014nr2.bb987b29e9.jpg
Darkseid leaving and going to Earth, there we see he's given up the ale because of losing the New God's powers and returns to normal and battling Olsen for them.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3046/scan0015tg6.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3046/scan0015tg6.ccc367257a.jpg

Last 3 showing Darkseid after these events without the ale in Countdown 02

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5/scan0018ui7.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5/scan0018ui7.2d9bba6bfb.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4098/scan0019pb2.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4098/scan0019pb2.1239b0d83f.jpg

Ready to take out Ray Palmer but Orion comes just in time.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7441/scan0020se2.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7441/scan0020se2.d6dbadb9c9.jpg

DS sticks Morpheus in a fishbowl again.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Galan: What about the ALE?

I know that you were talking to Galan, but... actually in Preludes and Nocturnes, "A Hope in Hell" pg. 20, in the sandman, Morpheus and the demon Choronzon, who had his helmet, faced off in a shapeshifting contest which ended with the demon tranforming into the anti-life equation, saying: "I am Anti-life. The beast of judgement. I am the dark at the end of everything. The end of universes, gods, worlds..., ... of everything." Morpheus responded by turning into "Hope". He won.

So with that said, I don't think that Darkseid can pull this off. They seemed so casual when they were doing it. And more importantly, Morpheus was depowered... and Darkseid struggled against the source... Darkseid at his best may be a high end abstract, but Morpheus is a concept.

I don't think that Ds can take out Morpheus, if Morpheus took out Ultimator.

Originally posted by Sirius77
I know that you were talking to Galan, but... actually in Preludes and Nocturnes, "A Hope in Hell" pg. 20, in the sandman, Morpheus and the demon Choronzon, who had his helmet, faced off in a shapeshifting contest which ended with the demon tranforming into the anti-life equation, saying: "I am Anti-life. The beast of judgement. I am the dark at the end of everything. The end of universes, gods, worlds..., ... of everything." Morpheus responded by turning into "Hope". He won.

So with that said, I don't think that Darkseid can pull this off. They seemed so casual when they were doing it. And more importantly, Morpheus was depowered... and Darkseid struggled against the source... Darkseid at his best may be a high end abstract, but Morpheus is a concept.

Yeah, I always interpreted that as a battle where they were actually shapeshifting into those things (including planets, supernovae, universes, etc.), then Choronzon busted out the ALE and Morpheus owned it.

Kevdude he doesnt have the ale. In all of these scans he doesnt use the ale once.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kevdude he doesnt have the ale. In all of these scans he doesnt use the ale once.

are you serious?? you can't be, even reading all that you deny it?? Your about to be put on ignore for this blatant evidence and you acting like this

Originally posted by kevdude
are you serious?? you can't be, even reading all that you deny it?? Your about to be put on ignore for this blatant evidence and you acting like this He doesnt use the ale one time.


The Source has the ale overhead but we dont see Ds using it at all. Everytime it was used in this series you could tell. Darkseid didnt use it.

So when Mister Miracle and the Infinity Man was fighting they wasn't using the ALE and LE?? They was using there regular power? It's a battle of will power, why do I even try lol.

Originally posted by kevdude
So when Mister Miracle and the Infinity Man was fighting they wasn't using the ALE and LE?? They was using there regular power? It's a battle of will power, why do I even try lol. Yes the ale was being used then. But it wasnt being used by Darkseid. He mentioned how insignificant the ale was to the power he acquired.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes the ale was being used then. But it wasnt being used by Darkseid. He mentioned how insignificant the ale was to the power he acquired.

How could he not use it and have it and then at the same time with your statement "mentioned how insignificant the ale was to the power he now acquired from The Source"??? Wouldn't he have had to USE it to say something like that???? YOO can't have it both ways

Originally posted by kevdude
How could he not use it and have it and then at the same time with your statement "mentioned how insignificant the ale was to the power he now acquired from The Source"??? Wouldn't he have had to USE it to say something like that???? YOO can't have it both ways He was tapping into the Sources power but at no time was he shown using the ale. He was talking about how insignificant it was.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was tapping into the Sources power but at no time was he shown using the ale. He was talking about how insignificant it was.

SO HE HAD TO HAVE USED IT TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT RIGHT??

Originally posted by kevdude
SO HE HAD TO HAVE USED IT TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT RIGHT?? No the Source had it and he was commenting on how insignificant it was.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No the Source had it and he was commenting on how insignificant it was.

That makes no sense at all

Originally posted by kevdude
That makes no sense at all This from the guy that no one agreed with at all on here about his interpretation of dong.

Again you could see the ale on the Source but you couldnt see it on Darkseid.

Yes here's another time when DS never used the ALE against the Source which your claim is false.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/DarkseidAntiLife.jpg

It doesn't matter bro it's not putting down Morpheus plus Morpheus always exists in one form or another anyway even when he was finally killed he still came back. You could erase his form but he'd come back as a different aspect of himself.

I know Darkseid can pretty much do the same now but not to the extent of Morpheus as a endless concept.

Originally posted by kevdude
Yes here's another time when DS never used the ALE against the Source which your claim is false.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/DarkseidAntiLife.jpg Again the ale is shown drawn above the Source. Darkseid is just talking and isnt using the ale at all.

Morpheus FTW. And looking at Darkseid's fight with the Source, Sandman too would outsmart Darkseid too if it came down to it, if not worse seeing as how Morpheus is more witty and crafty than the Source.

^not to mention. more POWERFUL.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again the ale is shown drawn above the Source. Darkseid is just talking and isnt using the ale at all.

So who's putting the ALE there?? The Source is using it against himself then eh?

Morpheus wins

Originally posted by kevdude
So who's putting the ALE there?? The Source is using it against himself then eh?

Morpheus wins The ale is useless against Darkseid here. The ale is insignificant with the power level that is being displayed here.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_k46gOUYAACXyB.jpg