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Both are incredibly strong and from what I know, are helping to hold their universe's together. Unicron may be able to give Galactus a little fight for a while, but Galactus would ultimately win.

http://www.manifestdensity.net/2007/06/18/galactus_head.jpg

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=482508&highlight=Galactus+vs+Unicron+forumid%3A77

Been done, Galactus always ends up eating Unicron.

^and choking on him as he rips out through his neck.

Sorry, didn't know the thread had already been done.

Originally posted by Stewie_Griffin
Sorry, didn't know the thread had already been done.

^Galactus chews.

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/4576/ed9qm0oj9.th.jpg

Originally posted by Astner
^Galactus chews.

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/4576/ed9qm0oj9.th.jpg ... and swallows, apparently. ermm

Originally posted by Galan007
... and swallows, apparently. ermm lol.................
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unicron isn't a suitable food source for galactus in any way.

and unicron is basically tyrant at full power times X, the battle will only destroy the entire universe which is 1) not one of galactus's priorities and 2) unicron's only priority. galactus rather do what he did with the abraxas problem than fight him.

Originally posted by Galan007
... and swallows, apparently. ermm

He could have spit instead.....

Originally posted by Astner
^Galactus chews.

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/4576/ed9qm0oj9.th.jpg lmao

Unicron would win easily.

Galactus could win with the UN. Winning in other ways could be tricky though.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Galactus could win with the UN. Winning in other ways could be tricky though.


Galactus really doesn't need the Ultimate Nullifier to defeat Unicron, as large as Unicron may be Galactus' size has always been variable, if fact he could become ten times larger than Unicron.

In this case size and power would be the deciding factor, and Galactus' power trumps Unicrons in all ways. I assume that we are speaking of Galactus' most powerful showing correct? So I'm guessing that would be when he went after pre retcon Beyonder in Secret Wars.

Galactus wins. it's spite if this is Unicron from the movie, that Unicron would be absolutely murdered by Stardust or Firelord, nevermind Galactus.

Unicron wins with ease.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Galactus really doesn't need the Ultimate Nullifier to defeat Unicron, as large as Unicron may be Galactus' size has always been variable, if fact he could become ten times larger than Unicron.

In this case size and power would be the deciding factor, and Galactus' power trumps Unicrons in all ways. I assume that we are speaking of Galactus' most powerful showing correct? So I'm guessing that would be when he went after pre retcon Beyonder in Secret Wars.

unicron's doesn't need a physical body, he just has one so hasbro/takara could sell toys (now primus has one as well due to that). his size is universal as he is one of two cosmic beings in the transformers universe.

galactus may be able to destroy his body but his essence is only vulnerable from cosmic power from primus. (the matrix is primus and primus used a portion of his energy to create the transformers race.
when transformers die they return to the matrix)

Originally posted by Avlon
Unicron wins with ease.

Oh yea I see your point, but seriously why do you think Unicron would win?

The only thing that can kill Unicron is the matrix. Plus, he never gets tired/exhausted/out of energy and has every power that Galactus has and more.

He's destroyed the universe AND the concepts that create one and beat the sh*t of it's version of the Living Tribunal.

I'd say that puts him pretty high above Galan.

Originally posted by Avlon
The only thing that can kill Unicron is the matrix. Plus, he never gets tired/exhausted/out of energy and has every power that Galactus has and more.

He's destroyed the universe AND the concepts that create one and beat the sh*t of it's version of the Living Tribunal.

I'd say that puts him pretty high above Galan.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
unicron's doesn't need a physical body, he just has one so hasbro/takara could sell toys (now primus has one as well due to that). his size is universal as he is one of two cosmic beings in the transformers universe.

galactus may be able to destroy his body but his essence is only vulnerable from cosmic power from primus. (the matrix is primus and primus used a portion of his energy to create the transformers race.
when transformers die they return to the matrix)

Good points, never knew all of that, because I only really saw him in the movie (Unicron that is).

Like I said, Galactus would need the UN to win.

^^

I'd agree with that.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Like I said, Galactus would need the UN to win.

My bad, you were right, I didn't see your point sorry for that.

I disagree, I don't think he'd need that to win. Unicron is going to get his ass beat regardless.

EDIT: nvrmind

Unicron comes in two distinctive forms.

The first is the most well known. The original G1 Incarantion we all saw in the movie. This one is essentially just another Transformer, but on a MASSIVE scale. So a simplistic ray-gun to Unicron would be something able to vaporise continents in Bumblebees situation. It...could be possible to kill this one without the matrix, but it'd take a LONG time.

The second is the current Unicron. An entity described 'as the Dark God, the Chaos Bringer, the Planet Eater, and he is dedicated to consuming the multiverse. His goal is to bring an end to the annoying creation boasting independence around him, and find peace by becoming the living center of a swirling, infinite torrent of nothingness at the end of all things.

To undertake this seemingly overwhelming task, Unicron is able to travel across realities at will, a meandering plague upon existence itself. Integrated into his systems are incomprehensible quantum computers which calculate probabilities forward and backwards in time, in perpetuity, giving his processors an everchanging, evolving map of the multiverse.

The only thing that he fears is Primus's essence, contained inside the Matrix. '

This Unicron is practically Immortal and (upon defeat) simply shunts himself into another universe.

Movie unicron dies easily, current unicron dies as well, but only by the UN.

Given Unicron has one and only one vulnerability, which Galactus cannot use, how the hell is the UN going to do the job?

If Fox is right, and I know he's a major transformers fan among other things, so I think he's on the money, Galactus is screwed. This guy could take down Imperiex Prime.

Fox: By defeat, do you mean even the Matrix can't fully kill him?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Given Unicron has one and only one vulnerability, which Galactus cannot use, how the hell is the UN going to do the job?

If Fox is right, and I know he's a major transformers fan among other things, so I think he's on the money, Galactus is screwed. This guy could take down Imperiex Prime.

Fox: By defeat, do you mean even the Matrix can't fully kill him?

Unicron has protection against nullification?

Unicron in the series was only succeptible to the Matrix, but saying no other being in fiction can match or exceed the Matrix's power is a No-Limits fallacy.

Originally posted by Mindset
Unicron has protection against nullification?

Would the UN work against the LT?

That's what Primus essentially is and Unicron beat the **** out of him.

Would the UN work against a being so high up on the hierarchy that they could live outside of reality altogether because they consumed the very concepts on it?

Originally posted by Avlon
Would the UN work against the LT?

That's what Primus essentially is and Unicron beat the **** out of him.

Would the UN work against a being so high up on the hierarchy that they could live outside of reality altogether because they consumed the very concepts on it?
LT exists outside of any and all realities, thus the UN has nothing to nullify, I think.

Unicron and Primus seem more like gods of dimensions/realities/universes.

Galactus is essentially a universal gardener, pruning here and planting there, keeping things in balance and order ... he has the power to completely obliterate the 616 universe and recreate it on a whim (UN or consume the universe, whichever), so obviously he too can exist outside reality.

I think Galactus should win here too.

Originally posted by janus77
LT exists outside of any and all realities, thus the UN has nothing to nullify, I think.

Unicron and Primus seem more like gods of dimensions/realities/universes.

Galactus is essentially a universal gardener, pruning here and planting there, keeping things in balance and order ... he has the power to completely obliterate the 616 universe and recreate it on a whim (UN or consume the universe, whichever), so obviously he too can exist outside reality.

I think Galactus should win here too.

Except Unicron has done it while for Galactus that is still something that he has not accomplished. Nor can he exist outside of time like Unicron does. He came from another universe born into the 616 (with help) and at best, he will be the next universes eternity.

Can the UN void LT or Eternity? The Beyonder? LT like Primus only answers to TOAA.

Unicron can do everything the Galan can and never runs out of energy. The power of the big bang around him didn't even wake unicron from his sleep.

Isn't the Transformers verse part of the Marvel Omniverse?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Isn't the Transformers verse part of the Marvel Omniverse?

It was supposed to be. Licensing issues pretty much killed that though.

Unicron destroyed ONE universe. The UN=Multiverse-Destroying.

I don't see what thought process would lead to him being immune to the UN.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Isn't the Transformers verse part of the Marvel Omniverse?
It is. It was published by marvel. It's not in the Prime Multiverse though, it's like the New Universe.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Unicron destroyed ONE universe. The UN=Multiverse-Destroying.

I don't see what thought process would lead to him being immune to the UN.

That's one more than Galactus has done. He has 3 solar systems tops.

Show where the UN destroyed the multiverse, and no, the Abraxas incident isn't an example of it.

Btw. Transformers is a multiverse as well.

He has multiple galaxies tops and a part of him can destroy the multiverse.
Plus he's completely capable of devouring the multiverse.



Yes it is.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
He has multiple galaxies tops and a part of him can destroy the multiverse.
Plus he's completely capable of devouring the multiverse.

Maybe in theory. His comic feats show otherwise. Even Imperiex has shown more than Galan in far less appearances.

Not that destroying the multiverse or universe would do much to Unicron. It would certainly kill Galactus though.


Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Yes it is.

Actually, it's not. Erasing Abraxas simply resulted in reality fixing itself.
Any other examples?

No, it was shown and stated as much in a possible future of 616 where we saw 616 Big G getting ready to consume the omniverse.



Which ones? The ones where he can eat pocket dimensions at will?



Um, no, he really hasn't. Apart from his big bang energies, he's got zero oN Galactus in terms of feats.



Prove up. Show Unicron surviving the multiverse going boom around him.



We don't know what happened to Abraxas. If he was erased from being or just put back into the infinite multiversal Galacti, is unclear.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
No, it was shown and stated as much in a possible future of 616 where we saw 616 Big G getting ready to consume the omniverse.

In other words, an alternate reality. Too bad it's not canon to 616 Galactus. "Notice possible future and ready to" are being used. Means it hasn't happened, thus it's worthless to debate it.

Hell, Galan stated that the crunch energies would kill him. Unicron ate EVERYTHING.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Which ones? The ones where he can eat pocket dimensions at will?

Unicron ate the entire TF reality/universe and it was shown on panel > maybe eating a pocket dimension.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Um, no, he really hasn't. Apart from his big bang energies, he's got zero oN Galactus in terms of feats.

You mean how he already destroyed everything and only because he fell asleep was there the possibility of a new reality? Sounds better than anything Galactus has.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Prove up. Show Unicron surviving the multiverse going boom around him.

Show Galactus surviving a universe going boom around him. One has destroyed his multiverses reality, the other...hasn't. Plus it's been stated that the Matrix is the ONLY thing that can stop him plenty of times. Prove something else can kill Unicron..as nothing else has...

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
We don't know what happened to Abraxas. If he was erased from being or just put back into the infinite multiversal Galacti, is unclear.

Unclear just like the rest of your points. Null and void as no true feats exist.

Galactus all day.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus all day.

IF you ignore logic all day.

Someone seems to love trolling behind me.

Originally posted by Avlon
IF you ignore logic all day.

Someone seems to love trolling behind me. I posted my opinion and didnt respond to any of your posts.

Seriously, how is that following? I could see if he quoted your post and said something stupid but he didn't.

And Galactus wins this fight, that's not ignoring logic. I know what Unicron is capable of but I don't think he's as strong as Galactus.

galactus can at the best defeat his physical form (same as stalling).
unicron as a totality is indestructible, the only thing that can cause his essence pain/damage is the matrix/primus, and that still can't end him.

remember. unicron is the (robot)-ification of destruction and nothingness.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I posted my opinion and didnt respond to any of your posts.

Yet like almost always..your post is right behind mines..and what a surprise! It doesn't debate but just gives an inflammatory comment!

Originally posted by Avlon
Yet like almost always..your post is right behind mines..and what a surprise! It doesn't debate but just gives an inflammatory comment! I posted Galactus all day.

My opinion is that Galactus wins all day. It had nothing to do with you. Should I not post after you? Should I wait until another post is made before I give my opinion.

Apparently he thinks so.

Anywho, Galactus can beat Unicron. Have we ever see Galactus fight someone at full power or even display his full power?

Originally posted by Stewie_Griffin
Apparently he thinks so.

Anywho, Galactus can beat Unicron. Have we ever see Galactus fight someone at full power or even display his full power?

So this is based on speculation then.

I love how using Avalon's logic, Unicron can't lose to anyone.

Can he resist the UN? Yes, because his only weakness is the matrix.

Can he resist the LT? Yes, because his only weakness is the matrix.

Can he resist TOAA? Avalon won't say so because it would look stupid, but it's consistent with the logic used in this thread.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I love how using Avalon's logic, Unicron can't lose to anyone.

Can he resist the UN? Yes, because his only weakness is the matrix.

Can he resist the LT? Yes, because his only weakness is the matrix.

Can he resist TOAA? Avalon won't say so because it would look stupid, but it's consistent with the logic used in this thread.

I love how by Kandy's logic, an outside weapon and speculatory power win the day!

Can the UN defeat the LT and TOAA? By Kandy's logic it can because it says "ultimate" in the title.

When did I ever say ANYTHING about it's name? You just made shit up. You actually used that "Matrix" point. You could at least attack a point I actually made.

No, the UN wins because it has shown multiversal power, not because it has a cool name. I already admitted that Galactus loses without it.

Originally posted by Avlon
So this is based on speculation then.

No, it's not, I was asking legitimate questions.

Originally posted by King Kandy
When did I ever say ANYTHING about it's name? You just made shit up. You actually used that "Matrix" point. You could at least attack a point I actually made.

No, the UN wins because it has shown multiversal power, not because it has a cool name. I already admitted that Galactus loses without it.

And I asked you to prove how it wins. It would be nice if you answered my questions. I don't need people who act like victims, I prefer debators.

Can the UN own the LT, Beyonder, Eternity, or TOAA? I simply asked for your opinion because I want to see where you see the UN rank.

Eternity, yes because it has been shown to kill him on multiple occasions.

LT, no, because it lost to IG and LT is above that. Same goes for TOAA.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Eternity, yes because it has been shown to kill him on multiple occasions.

LT, no, because it lost to IG and LT is above that. Same goes for TOAA.

See? That wasn't hard.

So basically if you are above eternity, the UN would have issues.

Originally posted by Avlon
See? That wasn't hard.

So basically if you are above eternity, the UN would have issues.
Nah, the UN has also destroyed the multiversal Eternity.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Nah, the UN has also destroyed the multiversal Eternity.
This is true.

The UN erased and re-created the entire infinite prime Multiverse in an instant.

That's all I'd like to add,
no comment on who wins since I'm not familiar with Unicron.

It all happened after the separation from Marvel.

The LT would have as much jurisdiction over the TF-verse as Unicron or Primus would have over the Marvelverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is true.

The UN erased and re-created the entire infinite prime Multiverse in an instant.

That's all I'd like to add,
no comment on who wins since I'm not familiar with Unicron. Imo un defeats Unicron all day.

Originally posted by Avlon

The LT would have as much jurisdiction over the TF-verse
as Unicron or Primus would have over the Marvelverse.
When Unicron destroyed the Transformer-verse,
did he do it under the Marvel publication?

Originally posted by Mr Master
When Unicron destroyed the Transformer-verse,
did he do it under the Marvel publication?

Of course. Hasbro doesn't have a comic division.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/d/d2/Mib_farcry_1.JPG/300px-Mib_farcry_1.JPG

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/thumb/9/9d/SA2.jpg/393px-SA2.jpg

Marvel has printed for many franchises. Would they all have LT overseeing them because the Marvel Logo is on the comic cover?

I'll post scans of it in a few, Mr. M.

Originally posted by Avlon
Of course. Hasbro doesn't have a comic division.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/d/d2/Mib_farcry_1.JPG/300px-Mib_farcry_1.JPG

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/thumb/9/9d/SA2.jpg/393px-SA2.jpg

http://i1.iofferphoto.com/img/1074585600/_i/2305120/1.jpg

Marvel has printed for many franchises. Would they all have LT overseeing them because the Marvel Logo is on the comic cover?

Originally posted by Avlon

Of course. Hasbro doesn't have a comic division.
Thanx.
Originally posted by Avlon

Marvel has printed for many franchises.
Would they all have LT overseeing them because the Marvel Logo is on the comic cover?
If they're part of the Marvel Universe? Yes.

Therefore,
Unicron destroyed the alternate Reality that made up the Transformer-verse in Marvel.

That's a Universal feat under the Marvel cosmological make-up.

Just sayin, according to those facts I mentioned,
if on panel something other was stated,
I'd simply like to see it, that way it can be confirmed and no need to debate it.

As you can see, Unicron's biggest feat of destruction took place over an unknown period of time and we don't even know how he did it.
Plus, he couldn't even destroy the whole universe right.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2656/tf1hi7.th.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2135/tf2ld1.th.jpg

Originally posted by Avlon
Would the UN work against the LT?

That's what Primus essentially is and Unicron beat the **** out of him.

Would the UN work against a being so high up on the hierarchy that they could live outside of reality altogether because they consumed the very concepts on it?

Well is Unicron as powerful as LT, you can't draw similarities between the strength of the characters if you have nothing to suggest they are in fact similar in level of power.

What has Primus or Unicron done to put them on the level of LT?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Therefore,
Unicron destroyed the alternate Reality that made up the Transformer-verse in Marvel.

That's a Universal feat under the Marvel cosmological make-up.

Just sayin, according to those facts I mentioned,
if on panel something other was stated,
I'd simply like to see it, that way it can be confirmed and no need to debate it.

Agreed. Company politics won't allow interference fro TF to MU or Vice Versa. TF multiverse gone due to Uni. I won't assume that Uni destroyed anything in the standard Marvel end, just like I won't assume that LT oversees the Transformers unless it's specifically stated on panel.

I would have loved if they were part of the MU. That would have made for some interesting stories.

Always a pleasure dude.

So...who wins?

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I found Unicron's official Marvel handbook bio:

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/682/unicronlp7.th.jpg

It appears he is/was indeed a "Universal" power ... as I initially thought.

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So evidently,
the Transformer-verse was indeed a single alternate reality in Marvel.

Hey. i already showed that universal power. Bah humbug.

No doubt all the Furman-worshipping TF fanboys will point out that Unicron is so great and how he blah blah blah

Well:

-Unicron didn't eat the whole universe at once. He gradually ate it over time. Galactus could probably eat the universe too if he had a long enough while.
-There is nothing to prove that Unicron actually ate the universe or that any of that stuff happened. It seemed more like it was just from the Transformers' mythology. In one panel it looked like outer space was turning into gas and flowing into Unicron's mouth...that seems pretty fishy.
-Unicron got a huge hole ripped in his foot by Scorponok, a big dumb nobody.
-Unicron had trouble with thirty or forty crappy robots who can be killed by missiles and artillery. And it wasn't a whole planetary population of robots. It was only the robots shown throughout the comic book, meaning it was probably not even a couple hundred of them. There are probably more superheroes on Marvel Earth than there are robots in the 80s comic book or cartoon.
-Unicron got whanged in the head with a spaceship and actually felt it. Galactus wouldn't even notice.
-Unicron is just a Galactus and Darth Vader ripoff.
-Just because you're a god doesn't mean that you're more powerful than X and that you can do this-and-that. There are plenty of gods in the MU and DCU, but they're probably weaker than Galactus.
-One thing you must remember is that while Transformers is one of the best ideas from the 80s, keep in mind that Unicron sucks, the comics sucked and so does Furman and anyone who likes him.

Edit: And remember that this was Unicron's first showing or at least intended as a serious demonstration of his abilities and was intended to be taken seriously, so unlike with Galactus you can't say that it's just a bad showing and that it's not an accurate depiction of the character. And you especially can't say that Unicron wasn't getting the respect he deserved...he was being written by the writer who made him.

Originally posted by UKR
No doubt all the Furman-worshipping TF fanboys will point out that Unicron is so great and how he blah blah blah

Well:

-Unicron didn't eat the whole universe at once. He gradually ate it over time. Galactus could probably eat the universe too if he had a long enough while.
-There is nothing to prove that Unicron actually ate the universe or that any of that stuff happened. It seemed more like it was just from the Transformers' mythology. In one panel it looked like outer space was turning into gas and flowing into Unicron's mouth...that seems pretty fishy.
-Unicron got a huge hole ripped in his foot by Scorponok, a big dumb nobody.
-Unicron had trouble with thirty or forty crappy robots who can be killed by missiles and artillery. And it wasn't a whole planetary population of robots. It was only the robots shown throughout the comic book, meaning it was probably not even a couple hundred of them. There are probably more superheroes on Marvel Earth than there are robots in the 80s comic book or cartoon.
-Unicron got whanged in the head with a spaceship and actually felt it. Galactus wouldn't even notice.
-Unicron is just a Galactus and Darth Vader ripoff.
-Just because you're a god doesn't mean that you're more powerful than X and that you can do this-and-that. There are plenty of gods in the MU and DCU, but they're probably weaker than Galactus.
-One thing you must remember is that while Transformers is one of the best ideas from the 80s, keep in mind that Unicron sucks, the comics sucked and so does Furman and anyone who likes him.

Edit: And remember that this was Unicron's first showing or at least intended as a serious demonstration of his abilities and was intended to be taken seriously, so unlike with Galactus you can't say that it's just a bad showing and that it's not an accurate depiction of the character. And you especially can't say that Unicron wasn't getting the respect he deserved...he was being written by the writer who made him.

durpot

Originally posted by UKR
No doubt all the Furman-worshipping TF fanboys will point out that Unicron is so great and how he blah blah blah

Well:

-Unicron didn't eat the whole universe at once. He gradually ate it over time. Galactus could probably eat the universe too if he had a long enough while.
-There is nothing to prove that Unicron actually ate the universe or that any of that stuff happened. It seemed more like it was just from the Transformers' mythology. In one panel it looked like outer space was turning into gas and flowing into Unicron's mouth...that seems pretty fishy.
-Unicron got a huge hole ripped in his foot by Scorponok, a big dumb nobody.
-Unicron had trouble with thirty or forty crappy robots who can be killed by missiles and artillery. And it wasn't a whole planetary population of robots. It was only the robots shown throughout the comic book, meaning it was probably not even a couple hundred of them. There are probably more superheroes on Marvel Earth than there are robots in the 80s comic book or cartoon.
-Unicron got whanged in the head with a spaceship and actually felt it. Galactus wouldn't even notice.
-Unicron is just a Galactus and Darth Vader ripoff.
-Just because you're a god doesn't mean that you're more powerful than X and that you can do this-and-that. There are plenty of gods in the MU and DCU, but they're probably weaker than Galactus.
-One thing you must remember is that while Transformers is one of the best ideas from the 80s, keep in mind that Unicron sucks, the comics sucked and so does Furman and anyone who likes him.

Edit: And remember that this was Unicron's first showing or at least intended as a serious demonstration of his abilities and was intended to be taken seriously, so unlike with Galactus you can't say that it's just a bad showing and that it's not an accurate depiction of the character. And you especially can't say that Unicron wasn't getting the respect he deserved...he was being written by the writer who made him.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4633/ranfal87239405634324987ws9.th.jpg