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I hate to put a crimp on this fight but dbz characters and overly powerfull anime characters are not alowed

Sadly.

People spaz out when threads with anime characters are created. Even relatively tame anime characters.

With that said though:

Are you talking fat roley poley Majin Buu or Kid Buu at full power after having the goodness of the Kai's removed from him? Kid Buu is an embodiment of universal evil magic if I remember correctly.

yes he was quite cool kid buu, 1 hit from a uber blast (similar to the one he used on the earth ) and galactus is dust

glactus could be at a hundred % and he would still be dust. remeber after buu absorb gohan, piccolo, and gotenks and was fitghing Vegetto, he got so pissed off that he couldnt best Vegitto that he was powering up to destroy the UNIVERSE, other world included in one fell swoop. and Vegitto had to stop him quickly. just imaguine how worse it would have been if we're talking about kid buu

First off, the Majin Buu that was able to open a link from the dimension where the Z-Warriors do their special training was the one that absorbed Gotenks, Piccolo and Gohan, Kid Buu can't do that kind of thing.
Anyway Vegetto showed to be able to disintegrate Buu, so Galactus can do the same.

Hmm, I thought it was Evil Buu that screamed his way out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber after Piccolo had trapped Buu, Gotenks and himself inside to keep Buu from destroying Earth, not Super Buu.

Now, Kid Buu could sense the Otherworld Tournament from Earth and travelled to that dimension where he murked a majority of the Tournament participants including Piakan with tremendous ease.

Kid Buu was the most powerful incarnation. He was pure evil after having all of the goodness he absorbed from the Kais removed.

Galactus at 75% might have a little difficulty, but he'd more than likely win. Goku, using the spirit power of numerous planets, beat Buu. Galactus basically does the same thing but on a broader, more scientific scale.

He'd beat Buu also.

75% of Galactus is still like 800-1000% of Goku at the point where he faced Kid Buu. At that point Goku could only achieve SSJ3.

About right...........

Originally posted by illadelph12
Hmm, I thought it was Evil Buu that screamed his way out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber after Piccolo had trapped Buu, Gotenks and himself inside to keep Buu from destroying Earth, not Super Buu.

Now, Kid Buu could sense the Otherworld Tournament from Earth and travelled to that dimension where he murked a majority of the Tournament participants including Piakan with tremendous ease.

That was filler and never happened

Kid Buu was the most powerful incarnation. He was pure evil after having all of the goodness he absorbed from the Kais removed.

Wrong Kid Buu is the 2nd weakest form of Buu

Galactus at 75% might have a little difficulty, but he'd more than likely win. Goku, using the spirit power of numerous planets, beat Buu. Galactus basically does the same thing but on a broader, more scientific scale.

The Spirit Bomb couldnt beat 50% power Frieza.Originally Gohan as the most powerful being in the unvierse was to beat Super Buu but the storyline changed to satisfy Goku fanboys thats why everything was so rushed and innane.The SB was used for dramatic purposes and even then AT still had it not work until Goku powered up and blasted through it

He'd beat Buu also.

75% of Galactus is still like 800-1000% of Goku at the point where he faced Kid Buu. At that point Goku could only achieve SSJ3.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Hmm, I thought it was Evil Buu that screamed his way out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber after Piccolo had trapped Buu, Gotenks and himself inside to keep Buu from destroying Earth, not Super Buu.

Now, Kid Buu could sense the Otherworld Tournament from Earth and travelled to that dimension where he murked a majority of the Tournament participants including Piakan with tremendous ease.

Kid Buu was the most powerful incarnation. He was pure evil after having all of the goodness he absorbed from the Kais removed.

Galactus at 75% might have a little difficulty, but he'd more than likely win. Goku, using the spirit power of numerous planets, beat Buu. Galactus basically does the same thing but on a broader, more scientific scale.

He'd beat Buu also.

75% of Galactus is still like 800-1000% of Goku at the point where he faced Kid Buu. At that point Goku could only achieve SSJ3.
First off, Gohan reached his full potential after the older Kaioshin enhanced his powers so he's at a super sayan level without the need of transforming.
Second, your knowledge of the Spirit Bomb is very restricted.
The Spirit Bomb level of power depends on how much beings gave a fraction of their life force to charge it.
The SB used against Freeza was created with the life force of the dying Planet Namec and the stars near it, that's why it wasn't enough to stop Freeza altough he got seriously injured from that hit.
The SB used against Kid Buu was charged with power from people of Earth, Namec, and "few others", altough Goku wasn't able to launch it against Kid Buu succesfully cause the powers of his opponent were at sufficient level to grant him to repel the SB using his chi and throwing it back at Goku, then the dragon of Namec was asked to restore Goku to full power, who transformed into SSJ and then throwed back the SB at Kid Buu putting an end to his menace once and for all.
But Galactus is a Power Cosmic major weilder, he's far outta Goku's league.He can just blink and eye and disintegrate him, no SSJ freakin transformation is gonna help him.
While fightning with the In Betweener Galactus destroyed planets in the process like it was a game so you got the difference.

According to avengers vs Jla Galactus survived the Big Bang.Based on that I would have to say Galactus could win.

Originally posted by K3VIL
First off, Gohan reached his full potential after the older Kaioshin enhanced his powers so he's at a super sayan level without the need of transforming.
Second, your knowledge of the Spirit Bomb is very restricted.
The Spirit Bomb level of power depends on how much beings gave a fraction of their life force to charge it.
The SB used against Freeza was created with the life force of the dying Planet Namec and the stars near it, that's why it wasn't enough to stop Freeza altough he got seriously injured from that hit.
The SB used against Kid Buu was charged with power from people of Earth, Namec, and "few others", altough Goku wasn't able to launch it against Kid Buu succesfully cause the powers of his opponent were at sufficient level to grant him to repel the SB using his chi and throwing it back at Goku, then the dragon of Namec was asked to restore Goku to full power, who transformed into SSJ and then throwed back the SB at Kid Buu putting an end to his menace once and for all.
But Galactus is a Power Cosmic major weilder, he's far outta Goku's league.He can just blink and eye and disintegrate him, no SSJ freakin transformation is gonna help him.
While fightning with the In Betweener Galactus destroyed planets in the process like it was a game so you got the difference.

DBZ characeter can also destroy planets for game. Goku in DB GT, he wilelded Spirit Bomb of the whole universe. Already in DBZ beggining, Radditz refelxes were faster than speed of light. So in the end, they were unbeliavebly faster than speed of light (thousand times faster). Galactus wouldn't be able to follow such reflexes, he wouldn't be able to touch Goku. And of course Galactus is fast, but his speed of reflexes are nothing to Goku.

Originally posted by EvilCap America


Actually Cap, Kid Buu was the most powerful of the Buu's. Even Super Buu.

Originally posted by Xplosive
DBZ characeter can also destroy planets for game. Goku in DB GT, he wilelded Spirit Bomb of the whole universe. Already in DBZ beggining, Radditz refelxes were faster than speed of light. So in the end, they were unbeliavebly faster than speed of light (thousand times faster). Galactus wouldn't be able to follow such reflexes, he wouldn't be able to touch Goku. And of course Galactus is fast, but his speed of reflexes are nothing to Goku.
You're wrong too.
Radditz can move faster than the human eyesight can perceive.
Doesn't mean he was moving at lightspeed.
At the being of DBZ Radditz and warriors of his level were moving at supersonic speeds at max, but certainly not lightspeed.
Galactus senses and reflexes are far beyond those of beings like Goku etc.
He created SS that can move beyond lightspeed and has reflexes at are also on par with those of Superman, he speedblitzed the servant of Oblivion, that guy make of a black substance that create weapons from his body, just to put up an example.He fought against Quasar at superspeed aslo.
Galactus is the CREATOR of Silver Surfer.
Following your assumptions, just cause he never speedblitzed someone, SS could beat him cause he showed major fightning speed.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Actually Cap, Kid Buu was the most powerful of the Buu's. Even Super Buu.

Too bad the manga is quoted as saying he got stronger when absorbing The strongest Kaio-shin and only weaked somewhat when absorbing Dai-Kaioshin

Fat Buu was stronger than Kid Buu.Goku was unsure weather he could beat him dead with full access to his SSJ3 power and defered to SSJ1 gotenks yet was even with Kid Buu and thought he could easily win with FPSSJ3.

Fat Buus power splits when he got angry enough and whats left with Fat Buus appperence is Mr.Buu who has less than 1/3rd Fat Buus power while the other 2/3rds in Evil Buu beats him down like nothing.Later that Mr.Buu takes on Kid Buu lands a few hits early which actually cause damage and Kid Buu cant put him away even wearing out while beating on him.Evil buu was basically Kid Buu with some power from the 2 Kais he absorbed that beat down Mr.Buu while Kid Buu couldnt so.Super Buu>Fat Buu>Evil buu>Kid Buu>Mr.Buu

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Too bad the manga is quoted as saying he got stronger when absorbing The strongest Kaio-shin and only weaked somewhat when absorbing Dai-Kaioshin

Fat Buu was stronger than Kid Buu.Goku was unsure weather he could beat him dead with full access to his SSJ3 power and defered to SSJ1 gotenks yet was even with Kid Buu and thought he could easily win with FPSSJ3.

Fat Buus power splits when he got angry enough and whats left with Fat Buus appperence is Mr.Buu who has less than 1/3rd Fat Buus power while the other 2/3rds in Evil Buu beats him down like nothing.Later that Mr.Buu takes on Kid Buu lands a few hits early which actually cause damage and Kid Buu cant put him away even wearing out while beating on him.Evil buu was basically Kid Buu with some power from the 2 Kais he absorbed that beat down Mr.Buu while Kid Buu couldnt so.Super Buu>Fat Buu>Evil buu>Kid Buu>Mr.Buu

Kid buu is the strongest buu. When kid(buu) and fat(buu) fought, ofcourse fat is going to do more damage than Vegita. Vegita couldnt even beat him. Buu's are like silly putty, is to why kid was wearing fat out. But not only was he wearing him out, he was slaughtering him. I almost felt sorry for him at one point.

Kid Buu is the strongest and original incarnation. When the Kaioshis(sp?) fought him, and were absorbed, that weakend buu. He didint get stronger, he got weaker.

When Kid buu died and was bought back as Ubb buu, he wasnt as strong as Kid buu yet, but had the potential. Goku noticed that cause when they fought in the tournament, he wasnt sure at first, but when he got Ubb mad, thats when he noticed that it was indeed Kid buu brought back, but more innocent. Eventhough he(Ubb buu) never showed that he was stronger than Kid buu.

Super buu's absorption(Piccolo, Gokenks, Gohan) < Goku ssj3
Kid buu = Goku ssj3

So its actually Uub buu>Kid buu>Super buu>evil buu>Fat buu

goin here with the strongest of the buu forms, (after he absorbed the powers.)

respnding about vs Galactus- destroying planets like it was a game.

also, frieza at power level 1,500,000 could destroy a planet, plus some energy to fight normally.

and cell who was like 40,000,000, destroyed a solar system with the remaints of his power, in like a split-second I beleive.

Now buu at level like 180,000,000 would have no problem destroying bunches of planets, matter of fact, wasnt it stated he was wreaking havok through galaxies.and/or destroying them?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Kid buu is the strongest buu. When kid(buu) and fat(buu) fought, ofcourse fat is going to do more damage than Vegita. Vegita couldnt even beat him. Buu's are like silly putty, is to why kid was wearing fat out. But not only was he wearing him out, he was slaughtering him. I almost felt sorry for him at one point.

Ok what Kid Buu beat on was 1/3rd power Mr.Buu and he couldnt put him and was even hurt by him.Evil Buu which was 2/3rds of Fat Buus original power beat the hell out of Mr.Buu and took him out in no time.This clearly showed that EvilBuu>Kid Buu>Mr.Buu

Kid Buu is the strongest and original incarnation. When the Kaioshis(sp?) fought him, and were absorbed, that weakend buu. He didint get stronger, he got weaker.

Wrong only Dai Kaio-shin had a weakening effect he was stated as being stronger when absoring the strongest Kaio-shin and what his biggest weakness was getting a play nature that kept him from instantly wating to destory everything

When Kid buu died and was bought back as Ubb buu, he wasnt as strong as Kid buu yet, but had the potential. Goku noticed that cause when they fought in the tournament, he wasnt sure at first, but when he got Ubb mad, thats when he noticed that it was indeed Kid buu brought back, but more innocent. Eventhough he(Ubb buu) never showed that he was stronger than Kid buu.

Ubu is irreleavent

Super buu's absorption(Piccolo, Gokenks, Gohan) < Goku ssj3
Kid buu = Goku ssj3

Goku was afraid to fight any form of Super Buu and stated he would be killed for sure by him.The only times we see Goku step away from a fight is when he knows hes clearly outmatched and Goku does whatever he can to avoid fighting Super Buu

So its actually Uub buu>Kid buu>Super buu>evil buu>Fat buu

How the HELL can Fat buu be WEAKER than 2/3rds of his own power?Ubu could barely hurt BASE FORM non-kaioken usinng Goku.Sorry thats just WAY off

Originally posted by K3VIL
First off, Gohan reached his full potential after the older Kaioshin enhanced his powers so he's at a super sayan level without the need of transforming.
Second, your knowledge of the Spirit Bomb is very restricted.
The Spirit Bomb level of power depends on how much beings gave a fraction of their life force to charge it.
The SB used against Freeza was created with the life force of the dying Planet Namec and the stars near it, that's why it wasn't enough to stop Freeza altough he got seriously injured from that hit.
The SB used against Kid Buu was charged with power from people of Earth, Namec, and "few others", altough Goku wasn't able to launch it against Kid Buu succesfully cause the powers of his opponent were at sufficient level to grant him to repel the SB using his chi and throwing it back at Goku, then the dragon of Namec was asked to restore Goku to full power, who transformed into SSJ and then throwed back the SB at Kid Buu putting an end to his menace once and for all.
But Galactus is a Power Cosmic major weilder, he's far outta Goku's league.He can just blink and eye and disintegrate him, no SSJ freakin transformation is gonna help him.
While fightning with the In Betweener Galactus destroyed planets in the process like it was a game so you got the difference.

Uh, did I miss something? You didn't disprove anything I said, you supported it. I said specifically:



I know how he forms the spirit bomb. I saw the episodes where King Kai was used as a loud speaker so Mr. Satan aka Hercule could persuade the people of Earth to give their spirit energy for the Spirit Bomb. Galactus does essentially the same thing, accept he doesn't ask for permission, he just eats life (spirit) and elemental energy from numerous planets to sustain his life, and in turn power his attacks.

As for Gohan, I never even mentioned him. When Gohan fought Buu, Buu had already broken out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Gotenks then did the same thing as a SSJ3 level for himself and Piccolo to escape. When Buu was fighting Gohan he absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo and began to kick Gohan's ass until Goten and Trunks fusion wears off and depowers Buu into a Buu/Piccolo composite. Then Goku arrives with the fusion earings and battles Buu. Buu is cut in half in the process and his head tentacle is not re-integrated, which he later uses to absorb Gohan. He also caught Tien with a sucker kick and knocks him out. Then Vegeta shows up and the rest is known I hope.

What was your point?

Originally posted by Ethereal
goin here with the strongest of the buu forms, (after he absorbed the powers.)

respnding about vs Galactus- destroying planets like it was a game.

also, frieza at power level 1,500,000 could destroy a planet, plus some energy to fight normally.

and cell who was like 40,000,000, destroyed a solar system with the remaints of his power, in like a split-second I beleive.

Now buu at level like 180,000,000 would have no problem destroying bunches of planets, matter of fact, wasnt it stated he was wreaking havok through galaxies.and/or destroying them?

Actually no PLs are shown past Trunks at 5 when hiding his power and once AT had mentioned SSJ2 Gohans power was over 300 Million in a SJ interview.Any other lists you see are actually bunk made up by fans still you have a realtive picture of their PLs as actions go.Buu managed to destroy most of the universe before iBbidi sealed him away

Goku didint want to fight Super buu because he didnt want to hurt Piccolo and the others. Thats why he and Vegita went inside to get them out instead of fighting him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Goku didint want to fight Super buu because he didnt want to hurt Piccolo and the others. Thats why he and Vegita went inside to get them out instead of fighting him.

What?Inside Super Buus head after removing all the pods and restoring him to SB1 Vegeta says they should just blast their way out.Goku stops him and says that even though hes lost alot of power he was still too much both of them and they would be killed for sure

He never says ANYTHING about not wanting to hurt everyone absorbed and we dnt hear anything like that until AFTER Veggeto lets himself get absorbed and as you can see in my example Goku was still unwilling to fight him afterwards.I really hope you arent basing this on filler scenes either

What are you talking aobut? Before Goku and Vegeta went inside Super buu, they were going to fight. I believe it was Vegita(or Goku) who said no, we may hurt the others. There has to be another way.

Thats when they went inside and fought the innards and grabbed the pods. But they could have easily defeated buu, but didnt want to risk hurting those who were trapped inside. Were you watching the American edited version or something?

Originally posted by jrodslam
What are you talking aobut? Before Goku and Vegeta went inside Super buu, they were going to fight. I believe it was Vegita(or Goku) who said no, we may hurt the others. There has to be another way.

Thats when they went inside and fought the innards and grabbed the pods. But they could have easily defeated buu, but didnt want to risk hurting those who were trapped inside. Were you watching the American edited version or something?

In the Manga-Goku tells Vegeta if they leave now they will be killed by Super Buu1.Super Buu then shows up in his own head and vegeta grabs the Mr.Buu pod they talk for a sec then Vegeta pulls it

In the anime-The exact same scene plays out except TOEI adds a filler scene where Vegeta/Goku team-up and fight him even though seconds ago he said they didnt have a chance and they do it in SSJ1.This is why Filler scenes suck anyways eventually Vegeta lands by Mr.Buu removes him they they go back to the real story

In the dub anime-Goku STILL tells Vegeta they dont stand a chance than the fight plays out the same as above

Goku is never willing to fight any form of Super Buu at any point

Originally posted by EvilCap America
In the Manga-Goku tells Vegeta if they leave now they will be killed by Super Buu1.Super Buu then shows up in his own head and vegeta grabs the Mr.Buu pod they talk for a sec then Vegeta pulls it

In the anime-The exact same scene plays out except TOEI adds a filler scene where Vegeta/Goku team-up and fight him even though seconds ago he said they didnt have a chance and they do it in SSJ1.This is why Filler scenes suck anyways eventually Vegeta lands by Mr.Buu removes him they they go back to the real story

In the dub anime-Goku STILL tells Vegeta they dont stand a chance than the fight plays out the same as above

Goku is never willing to fight any form of Super Buu at any point

Goku was never fighting at high level. They guy was able to go ssj3, but never did until needed. True Super buu could have killed them at the lvl they were fighting, but thats not saying much since it wasnt top lvl. Ssj 3 Goku could have easily defeated Super buu.

Goku is never willing to fight anyone.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Goku was never fighting at high level. They guy was able to go ssj3, but never did until needed. True Super buu could have killed them at the lvl they were fighting, but thats not saying much since it wasnt top lvl. Ssj 3 Goku could have easily defeated Super buu.

Goku is never willing to fight anyone.

Goku was afraid of fighting super buu and was constantly trying to find someone to fuse with sp they could stand a chance.He considered fusing with Gohan to fight SB2 but then Gotenks defused and he says that Gohan can beat him alone.Once Gohan gets absorbed he evern considers fusing with Mr.Satan or DENDE.He was nowhere near Super Buus power and knew it

What? Youre saying Goku and Satan or Goku and Dende with the earings are more powerful than ssj3 Goku? No way man.

remember, he was also thinking aobut using the ear-rings against Kid buu, but Vegeta convinced him that they could do it without. Kid buu was the most powerful. Goku ssj3 could bearely beat Kid buu, but he would have beat Super buu with ease.

Originally posted by jrodslam
What? Youre saying Goku and Satan or Goku and Dende with the earings are more powerful than ssj3 Goku? No way man.

Hmm Goku+Somebody else>Goku alone yeah that makes sense to me.He didnt do it because it wouldnt have been much of a boost and it wouldnt beat Super Buu

Originally posted by jrodslam
What? Youre saying Goku and Satan or Goku and Dende with the earings are more powerful than ssj3 Goku? No way man.

remember, he was also thinking aobut using the ear-rings against Kid buu, but Vegeta convinced him that they could do it without. Kid buu was the most powerful. Goku ssj3 could bearely beat Kid buu, but he would have beat Super buu with ease.

Actually him and Vegeta dont think twice about crushing the Pottara earrings to make things fair for Kid Buu.Goku didnt even know he couldnt reach FPSSJ3 yet and went at Kid Buu without much hesitation whereas he refused to fight Super Buu without fusion

Remember outside of filler scenes HE NEVER CONFRONTED SUPER BUU knowing it was useless to try.The closest he did was throw a Kienzan when he wasent looking and cut his head tentacle off

hate....for anime....growing....seething hate.....going to explode....arrghhhhhh!

What's the whole SSJ5 thing mean?

This whole debate isn't going anywhere until people get there knowledge of DBZ straight, fat buu isn't stronger than kid buu, and people exaggerate powers of them, whichis why people don't liike these topics on this thread.

Originally posted by long pig
hate....for anime....growing....seething hate.....going to explode....arrghhhhhh!

What's the whole SSJ5 thing mean?

You agree whirly?

I didn't hear of a SSJ5 before myself it was a myth, with "SSj4 having gold hair.

There is really only SSJ3, SSJ4 is more of a merge between gorilla and saiyan.

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