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Nova prime
Graviton
Moonstone (two stones)
Gravity

VS

Warrior madness Thor with power gem.

How would a maddened Thor activate the Gems deeper powers? It would/could/should make him a lot stronger but the power gem would work better on a guy like Dr. Doom, Tony Stark, Steve Rodgers, Batman. Not a raving luney tune.

Thor would still win this because of his mystical powers, which gives him a free pass to kick that a@#. I mean, having the ability to create magical barriers that are immune to physical degradation. Thor would have the ability to erect a magical vortex or tornado and simply move within striking distance of the gravity manipulators, and one by one knock them into Shangra La.

This is the type of battle that Thor is usually dominant in. They all die.

Would he still make magical barriers and such while in WM?

Originally posted by Stoic
How would a maddened Thor activate the Gems deeper powers? It would/could/should make him a lot stronger but the power gem would work better on a guy like Dr. Doom, Tony Stark, Steve Rodgers, Batman. Not a raving luney tune.

Thor would still win this because of his mystical powers, which gives him a free pass to kick that a@#. I mean, having the ability to create magical barriers that are immune to physical degradation. Thor would have the ability to erect a magical vortex or tornado and simply move within striking distance of the gravity manipulators, and one by one knock them into Shangra La.

This is the type of battle that Thor is usually dominant in. They all die.


The dumbest characters can subconsciously tap into the power gem.

Team gravity. Every single person on team Gravity can manipulate gravity, density, mass and in Nova's case, g-forces on at least a planetary scale. That's too much even for an amped Thor to handle.

Step 1: make hammer too heavy

step 2: Crush every bone in thors body.

Forgetting the freaking power gem?

Originally posted by amnesia
Forgetting the freaking power gem? No. But based on his showing with the power gem, he was just an uber brick that basically stalemated a non-amped Thanos.

CIS off and it'd be different.

I can still sort of edit it when it's on page one, rait? If so CIS is off

Originally posted by amnesia
I can still sort of edit it when it's on page one, rait? If so CIS is off Phuck.

Originally posted by amnesia
Forgetting the freaking power gem? Any reason they can't make the gem too heavy either?Its on his head so they can just have it fall off.Then the hammer.Then his skull.

What's the highest level of force anyone on Team Gravity has created?

I'm having trouble seeing them crushing Thor's bones or making anything to heavy for Thor. Not when his wielding the Power Gem. At best they'd temporarily gain the advantage until he actively begins tapping into it. Similar to Warlock and Doctor Strange. Create a force that he can't match at his current level, and I just see him amping until he can.

And let's not forget the amount of pressure/force regular Thor has withstood and overpowered. The force of half a planet, a score of planets, a neutron Star and even Infinite weight but that's most likely hyperbole. At least to some extent.

Beta Ray Bill withstood the pressure of two minor Black Holes and IRCC, was able to resist and overpower the pull to some extent with no leverage.

The only person I'm not sure about is Gravity.

The hell u been?

Depends on what Gravity we're talking about. At his least he can manipulate gravity on a planetary scale, at his best he controlled all gravity in the universe.

I went away for a week.

The only time I recall Gravity working on anywhere near that scale is when Uatu asked him to cut off an infected part of the Universe or something. I however can't recall if there were any circumstances and I don't care enough to check. If you have the issue number, I can take a look at it later.

Wasn't this the era he became the Guardian of the Universe due to Epoch? Was he amped? I recall he gained Cosmic Awareness etc.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What's the highest level of force anyone on Team Gravity has created?

I'm having trouble seeing them crushing Thor's bones or making anything to heavy for Thor. Not when his wielding the Power Gem. At best they'd temporarily gain the advantage until he actively begins tapping into it. Similar to Warlock and Doctor Strange. Create a force that he can't match at his current level, and I just see him amping until he can.

And let's not forget the amount of pressure/force regular Thor has withstood and overpowered. The force of half a planet, a score of planets, a neutron Star and even Infinite weight but that's most likely hyperbole. At least to some extent.

Beta Ray Bill withstood the pressure of two minor Black Holes and IRCC, was able to resist and overpower the pull to some extent with no leverage.

The only person I'm not sure about is Gravity. Well graviton alone did thisOriginally posted by Space M ummy
yeesh. I get beat up a lot for hyping full potential graviton, but the guy's powers are insane. INSANE.

As someone else pointed out, Graviton immobilized every single hero on earth, simultaneously while levitating a 3 mile landmass above ground, moving continents around, AND pummeling thor with megaton blasts.

that's...a hellacious amount of power. but consider:

Graviton has simply torn the atmosphere off a planet. Right off.

Claimed to be able to prevent dimensions from merging during inferno.

Has powers that aren't just GRAVITY based, but DENSITY based. Made the thing (and she-thing) so heavy they couldn't get off the ground, then immediately did the opposite, reversing their density so that they were so light they simply floated helplessly, and strikes did nothing. Team brick doesn't really have a defense against a density reversal either.

Graviton also made his flesh too dense for the human torch at NOVA level to burn. (it did cause him pain though.) Storm's lightining and freezing abilities aren't really going to work against that kind of temperature defense.

a couple finger wiggles and the guy annihilates just about everyone IN this fight.

Then gravity can affect it on a universal scale.Not exactly sure how geart nova is at it but hes good.And not sure at all about the other one.

They can easily crush his skull.

Nova prime's powers are gravimetric based. He can manipulate gravity as it relates to mass, density and g-forces. Even in a weak condition he has manipulated nuetron star level gravimetric forces.

^^^ He has also opened up a stargate so massive that it allowed thousands of ships to pass through it and has hit Firelord with a gravity pulse so powerful that it blasted him across the solar system.

Originally posted by dmills
Nova prime's powers are gravimetric based. He can manipulate gravity as it relates to mass, density and g-forces. Even in a weak condition he has manipulated nuetron star level gravimetric forces. Yeah.They should have no problem dropping his hammer,his gem,then his skull.

If Thor was able to erect a mystical barrier which is well within his power to do he would trash every one of them. Being berserk doesn't mean that he's forgotten that he's carrying Mjolnir. If so why doesn't he just just drop it on the ground everytime he blows his stack, and run off wildly into the woods like a nut case?

Originally posted by Stoic
If Thor was able to erect a mystical barrier which is well within his power to do he would trash every one of them. Being berserk doesn't mean that he's forgotten that he's carrying Mjolnir. If so why doesn't he just just drop it on the ground everytime he blows his stack, and run off wildly into the woods like a nut case? Fair enough lol! But I need to see him doing that on panel. Because if B&T is any indication, then he'll fight like a amped brick with a hammer.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Well graviton alone did this

Then gravity can affect it on a universal scale.Not exactly sure how geart nova is at it but hes good.And not sure at all about the other one.

They can easily crush his skull.

Graviton is ridiculously powerful. He somehow -it was all off panel as I recall- defeated all of the heroes on Earth when he went insane in the Thunderbolts run IRCC. And I mean every hero. Everyone from Thor, the Hulk, Scarlet Witch and Genis to Black Widow and Moon Knight. A fair bit above Top Tier power there. He however didn't look that powerful when he went up against the Thunderbolts so I think there might have been shenanigans involved. I don't remember if there was any mention of him being more powerful than ever. If he wasn't, I don't think he did it straight up.

If he really did beat those heroes straight up, he could most likely solo this before Thor amps up high enough to the point he could beat him with raw strength. In this state of mind, he'd fight only like a brick and wouldn't use his powers to counter act Graviton's abilities - even if they could.

I would give Graviton the edge over a regular brick Thor based on their fights if he didn't defeat the world's heroes straight up. I believe after breaking throug his barrier, Thor held his own against Graviton until he reversed Thor's blast back at him, and then kept pounding on Thor when he gained the edge.

I don't recall him ever doing this though. Not at the same time at least:
"immobilized every single hero on earth, simultaneously while levitating a 3 mile landmass above ground, moving continents around, AND pummeling thor with megaton blasts. "

Nothing Graviton has done suggests he can crush Thor's skull by the way.

After his initial appearance, I'd say Graviton stock dropped a bit. Didn't Extremis Iron Man beat him recently? Shame. Marvel needs to start respecting it's classic villains.

I'm not too sure about Gravity. From what I've seen he operates at the mid tier level and can go above that. The only time I recall him operating anywhere near a Universal scale was during his Fantastic Four return but I'm not sure if there were circumstances or not. I know there were some cosmic shenanigans at one point or another due to Epoch or some shit.

Originally posted by dmills
Nova prime's powers are gravimetric based. He can manipulate gravity as it relates to mass, density and g-forces. Even in a weak condition he has manipulated nuetron star level gravimetric forces.

When did he do that? Just curious. It's not enough to defeat Thor by the way.

Originally posted by dmills
^^^ He has also opened up a stargate so massive that it allowed thousands of ships to pass through it and has hit Firelord with a gravity pulse so powerful that it blasted him across the solar system.

Above applies here. Are you talking about Richard Rider or Super Nova in the FireLord example?

"Nothing Graviton has done suggests he can crush Thor's skull by the way."

Probably not.But between the four of them they can easily drop his hammer,make the PG drop,then cave in his skull.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
"Nothing Graviton has done suggests he can crush Thor's skull by the way."

Probably not.But between the four of them they can easily drop his hammer,make the PG drop,then cave in his skull.

Not sure if that would work. Thor could always use his own control over Mjolnir to overpower any gravity based manipulation they could do. IRCC, Graviton once was able to hold Mjolnir afloat with his powers, but once Thor willed it to come to him, it flew right towards him. I'd say the enchantment over Mjolnir is a fair bit greater than any power this team can muster on anything resembling an average.

If we however chose to go solely by high showings here for the Team, then I'd have to do the same for Thor, and then the possibility of even making the hammer to heavy for Thor to lift, becomes significantly less likely. Overpowering his own weight multiplied infinitely and all that.

The Power Gem trick could work. Defeats the purpose of this thread but it's a viable tactic. It does however bring up an interesting question. How was Thor able to fight Surfer, Strange and the Infinity Watch, Thanos etc. and never have the Power Gem fall off? It wasn't even once a possibility that was mentioned. They didn't even try and remove it from him. Perhaps they formed a bond -Thanos for example had to trick Champion into giving the Power Gem instead of trying to force it off of him- or Thor was able to use his own powers -Mjolnir, Storm Breaker etc. have manipulated Gravity in the past- to keep it attached to him.

I didn't mean in the air.But easily between the four they could very easily make it much much to heavy for him to lift.Whether hes worthy or not thor is still bound by gravity and how much he can lift.And if they make it weight a couple billion tons...


I think its mostly PIS as to why the gems stay on.I mean it never show anything holding them in place.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I didn't mean in the air.But easily between the four they could very easily make it much much to heavy for him to lift.Whether hes worthy or not thor is still bound by gravity and how much he can lift.And if they make it weight a couple billion tons...

Like I said, if Thor uses his power over Mjolnir, I doubt they could make it too heavy for Thor to wield. They aren't overpowering the bond between Thor and Mjolnir. Mjolnir is beyond the forces of Gravity from what I can tell. You could potentially use Gravity manipulation to move it around etc. but that's about it.

If they make it weigh a couple of billion tons, Thor would grunt, and then continue attacking them.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I think its mostly PIS as to why the gems stay on.I mean it never show anything holding them in place.

I wouldn't be so quick to call PIS. We are talking about a Gem that leads to all the power that ever was or will be in the Universe. It being able to hold itself in place on someone's fore head isn't exactly far fetched when we've reached this point.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like I said, if Thor uses his power over Mjolnir, I doubt they could make it too heavy for Thor to wield. They aren't overpowering the bond between Thor and Mjolnir. Mjolnir is beyond the force of Gravity from what I can tell. You could potentially use Gravity manipulation to move it around etc. but that's about it.

If they make it weigh a couple of billion tons, Thor would grunt, and then continue attacking them.



I wouldn't be so quick to call PIS. We are talking about a Gem that leads to all the power that ever was or will be in the Universe. It being able to hold itself in place on someone's fore head isn't exactly far fetched when we've reached this point. I think they could.I mean graviton alone seems like he could.

True.Point taken.It just doesn't seem like theres much holding it in place.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I think they could.I mean graviton alone seems like he could.

True.Point taken.It just doesn't seem like theres much holding it in place.

I highly doubt they're overpowering the bond. Yes, even Graviton. At best they could hope to inconvenience Thor temporarily by making it too heavy for Thor to lift with his own physical strength. But like I said, if you want to go by high end showings, all the gravity in the Universe won't allow them to do that. It would be a better strategy to try and pull Mjolnir away from Thor after bombarding him with attacks. Hopefully he'd be too disoriented to will it back. Their superior numbers would help in such a strategy.

If it helps, you can imagine that it's the power of the Gem that's keeping it in place.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I highly doubt they're overpowering the bond. Yes, even Graviton. At best they could hope to inconvenience Thor temporarily by making it too heavy for Thor to lift with his own physical strength. But like I said, if you want to go by high end showings, all the gravity in the Universe won't allow them to do that. It would be a better strategy to try and pull Mjolnir away from Thor after bombarding him with attacks. Hopefully he'd be too disoriented to will it back. Their superior numbers would help in such a strategy.

If it helps, you can imagine that it's the power of the Gem that's keeping it in place. Could it be possible for them to use gravity like a slingshot?I'm not sure how they would...mabye one make gravity really dense in one area and another really light in another.So one takes the hammer away,one drops the PG,one makes gravity light,on makes gravity dense,and the one holding the hammer uses it to slingshot his own hammer at him.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Could it be possible for them to use gravity like a slingshot?I'm not sure how they would...mabye one make gravity really dense in one area and another really light in another.So one takes the hammer away,one drops the PG,one makes gravity light,on makes gravity dense,and the one holding the hammer uses it to slingshot his own hammer at him.

I'm not sure. It's possible I guess, but that plan seems overly complicated. This team is compromised of four individuals I don't think have ever meet before or at the very least have never fought on the same side.

I predict they'd be stumbling over each other for a lot of the fight. Especially since Graviton and Moonstone are about as stable as loony toons.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I didn't mean in the air.But easily between the four they could very easily make it much much to heavy for him to lift.Whether hes worthy or not thor is still bound by gravity and how much he can lift.And if they make it weight a couple billion tons...


I think its mostly PIS as to why the gems stay on.I mean it never show anything holding them in place.

They are held in place by the hosts bio signature, in actuality they should have never been able to be pried from the host in the first place. Oh well, no ones perfect write?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When did he do that? Just curious. It's not enough to defeat Thor by the way.



Above applies here. Are you talking about Richard Rider or Super Nova in the FireLord example? The stargate feat was in the Annihilation: Nova #4 mini.

The Neutron star happened in Nova #7.

Firelord fight was in New Warriors # 42. Yes it was Dick.

@Blackbolt,

They could get it away, but they damn sure ain't keeping it away. Magic > Gravity.

With CIS off, even a team that powerful would be hard pressed to beat Thor amped like that.

Actually, doesn't the power gem kinda make the whole warrior madness amp redundant? It's mostly about mindset at that point right?

Thor in Warrior Madness mode is basically a blood crazed Thor. I'd say that outside #502, there isn't any amp taking place. He would actually be less effective in a batte in this mind set as noted by Balder.

A pissed off Thor would fair a lot better in my opinion. Heck, he might fair better even when you take the Gem into account. The Gem doesn't automatically boost it's wielder's power by leaps and bounds.

Switch "pissed off" in place of Warrior Madness, and Thor's odds would really go up in my opinion.

Originally posted by dmills
The stargate feat was in the Annihilation: Nova #4 mini.

The Neutron star happened in Nova #7.

Firelord fight was in New Warriors # 42. Yes it was Dick.

Thanks.

From a quick flip of Nova #7, he didn't create Neutron Star level forces on his own. He basically flew at a Neutron Star, and using World Mind's calculations, bent the Star's abnormal gravity until he created a Wormhole event.

I'm not sure how applicable that would be in a battle like this.

I'll check out the FireLord thing later.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor in Warrior Madness mode is basically a blood crazed Thor. I'd say that outside #502, there isn't any amp taking place. He would actually be less effective in a batte in this mind set as noted by Balder.

A pissed off Thor would fair a lot better in my opinion. Heck, he might fair better even when you take the Gem into account. The Gem doesn't automatically boost it's wielder's power by leaps and bounds.

Switch "pissed off" in place of Warrior Madness, and Thor's odds would really go up in my opinion.



Thanks.

From a quick flip of Nova #7, he didn't create Neutron Star level forces on his own. He basically flew at a Neutron Star, and using World Mind's calculations, bent the Star's abnormal gravity until he created a Wormhole event.

I'm not sure how applicable that would be in a battle like this.

I'll check out the FireLord thing later. Which is why I said he manipulated them. Not created. Although with the type of forces involved, that still took a lot of power to do.

Originally posted by dmills
Which is why I said he manipulated them. Not created. Although with the type of forces involved, that still took a lot of power to do.

If he simply bent an already present Gravity anomaly, I don't see how applicable that is.

True, a certain level of power had to be involved, but based on World Mind's explanation, it was more about Richard possessing the right kind of power -Gravity manipulation- instead of Richard possessing the right level of power if that makes sense.

Could be. But I'd say tomato tomato' on that one. I mean It was clearly emphasized that he was weak and thus couldn't make one on his own to escape the barrier around Kree space, so they improvised.

Originally posted by dmills
Could be. But I'd say tomato tomato' on that one. I mean It was clearly emphasized that he was weak and thus couldn't make one on his own to escape the barrier around Kree space, so they improvised.

Where? When they reached the Star, and World Mind explained his plan, Richard's waning level of power wasn't even mentioned. Nowhere was it emphasized that he needed the Neutron Star because he couldn't make one of his own.

The only thing emphasized regarding his power level was that he couldn't stand and fight their enemies. Even Gamora and Drax had him on the ropes in moments with some generic guns.

Read the whole book. I'm not a phucking school teacher. jk. We'll have to continue this tomorrow. Gotta drive now. Phoenix to L.A. Working for Greyhound and all.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not sure. It's possible I guess, but that plan seems overly complicated. This team is compromised of four individuals I don't think have ever meet before or at the very least have never fought on the same side.

I predict they'd be stumbling over each other for a lot of the fight. Especially since Graviton and Moonstone are about as stable as loony toons. True.But it does make you think that,with all that power of gravity at their disposale,what are they really capabale of?I mean could they just make it so heavy that they make a black hole for the BFR?

Ok let me see here. I don't have the book in front of me yet, but I can pretty much recall the whole scene. If I miss anything of importance I'm sure you'll point it out.

Nova breaks out of the programing.

WM informs him that it's taking 80% of the Nova Force to keep the virus at bay. We have to flee.

Rich says "so I'm only operating at a fraction of my normal power" or something like that.

WM tells him that's right barely 20% our only option is to flee.

Rich says I'm no match for one sentry at this level

WM says "Right. I repeat, WE HAVE TO FLEE".

Nova -finally gets it- says last time I tried that I got phucked up

WM says We were ignorant last time. Now I have a plan (or something to that effect)

So right there we see from the context that although NOVA mentions fighting, that was NEVER apart of WM plan. WM had been plotting an escape plan all along that required every ounce of Dick's remaining power reserves.

They then stargate to the Neutron star. Banter a little, WM explains that because of the stars crazy gravity/mass, with the right calculations etc, that Richard could manipulate it and cause a wormhole event allowing them to escape Kree space.

Now we know that Richard has created super massive gravimetric events before during Annihilation. It was so massive that Annihilus detected it from like 9 light years away. We also know that they kept the emphasis on how weak Nova was at the time and that the only option was to flee, not fight. So with that knowledge coupled with the annihilation stuff, the only rational explanation that makes sense is that he was too weak to make one powerful enough to escape, so he used something that was.

Comic book writers can't spell out every phucking detail of every action sequence for us. Sometimes we have to apply a little common sense.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
True.But it does make you think that,with all that power of gravity at their disposale,what are they really capabale of?I mean could they just make it so heavy that they make a black hole for the BFR? You mean bfr Mjolnir? Never gonna happen. He can recall it even from across the universe and other dimensions or some shyte like that.

CIS on I think the team stomps. CIS off I think Thor takes it, after a brutal battle. As someone said, if Thor was just pissed and had thd PG, it'd be better for Thor.

With CIS on, I see them eventually using superior numbers and intelligence to defeat Thor. That is, if they can work together, as with CIS on, they'd hinder their own team work. I don't know about a stomp however. I don't see them beating him in a contest of power vs. power.

The problem with Warrior Madness is that the depiction isn't always consistent. He isn't some mindless beast all the time. His been depicted as just really pissed off and ready to kill. His been shown using other powers while being in Warrior Madness or in a state similar to one. Mind you, I don't think he'd be manipulating gravity as well or creating some mystical vortexes but if he really can think with some intelligence, this would be a fair bit harder than fighting a Hulk with the Power Gem.

If they work fast and together, the team can take this fairly easy using a strategy similar to the one Black Bolt suggested. Like I said, he doesn't amp by leaps and bounds just by placing the Gem on his fore head and outside of some raw energy -probably unleashed when they take to the air- his just a brick.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
True.But it does make you think that,with all that power of gravity at their disposale,what are they really capabale of?I mean could they just make it so heavy that they make a black hole for the BFR?

Probably a lot. Nah, I don't see it happening. Not with Mjolnir's space warping enchantment. I honestly can't recall any single time Mjolnir has been battle field removed. Trapped yes.

Originally posted by dmills
Read the whole book. I'm not a phucking school teacher. jk. We'll have to continue this tomorrow. Gotta drive now. Phoenix to L.A. Working for Greyhound and all.

I have. Where exactly is it clearly emphasized?

Originally posted by dmills
Ok let me see here. I don't have the book in front of me yet, but I can pretty much recall the whole scene. If I miss anything of importance I'm sure you'll point it out.

Nova breaks out of the programing.

WM informs him that it's taking 80% of the Nova Force to keep the virus at bay. We have to flee.

Rich says "so I'm only operating at a fraction of my normal power" or something like that.

WM tells him that's right barely 20% our only option is to flee.

Rich says I'm no match for one sentry at this level

WM says "Right. I repeat, WE HAVE TO FLEE".

Nova -finally gets it- says last time I tried that I got phucked up

WM says We were ignorant last time. Now I have a plan (or something to that effect)

So right there we see from the context that although NOVA mentions fighting, that was NEVER apart of WM plan. WM had been plotting an escape plan all along that required every ounce of Dick's remaining power reserves.

They then stargate to the Neutron star. Banter a little, WM explains that because of the stars crazy gravity/mass, with the right calculations etc, that Richard could manipulate it and cause a wormhole event allowing them to escape Kree space.

Now we know that Richard has created super massive gravimetric events before during Annihilation. It was so massive that Annihilus detected it from like 9 light years away. We also know that they kept the emphasis on how weak Nova was at the time and that the only option was to flee, not fight. So with that knowledge coupled with the annihilation stuff, the only rational explanation that makes sense is that he was too weak to make one powerful enough to escape, so he used something that was.

Comic book writers can't spell out every phucking detail of every action sequence for us. Sometimes we have to apply a little common sense.

Yea...you need to take the Nova shades off.

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Nowhere was it clearly emphasized that he needed the Neutron Star because he couldn't create one of his own. The only thing emphasized when it came to his power level was that he was weakened and he'd get his ass kicked if he tried to fight their enemies head on.

Your doing some serious mental gymnastics here in an attempt to see something that's not there.

Mental gymnastics to what end exactly? Nothing about it makes Nova look any better or worse. You brought the shit up, I gave you an answer. If you want to ignore the context, that's a you problem.

edited:

It's fine. There wasn't anything even insulting in your post.

Why did Nova use a Neutron Star? Because he needed to get out of Kree Space, and using the Neutron Star to create a Gravimetric anomaly was the only way to get through the barrier.

It was never emphasized that he could created such an anomaly on his own had he been at full power in #7.

Originally posted by dmills
Mental gymnastics to what end exactly? Nothing about it makes Nova look any better or worse. You brought the shit up, I gave you an answer. If you want to ignore the context, that's a you problem.

To what end? Really? I thought that was pretty clear. To make Nova look more impressive power wise. You can't seriously deny that this wasn't your intention.

Not really. If it was emphasized that Nova could have created such an anomaly on his own, he'd definitely look better.

What do you mean I brought it up? Be specific and keep in mind that it was you first mentioned this feat in this thread. It was you who first brought up the topic of emphasis.

I could flip it and say where was it emphasized that he COULDN'T open up one under his own power if he was at full strength? Without the context, any silly interpretation is suitable.

If he did that, then the whole emphasis on his weakness would be redundant. If he had the power to open up a gate that potent why not just beat the shyte out of Drax and Gamora?

BBZ asked what he was capable of in terms of gravity, I answered. You apparently disagreed on if it was applicable in this battle or not, I was merely giving Z an example.

I'll holler at you later. I haven't made it home yet and the 200 character limit on my phone is driving me phucking nuts. I'll take a look at Nova #7 then.

Originally posted by dmills
I could flip it and say where was it emphasized that he COULDN'T open up one under his own power if he was at full strength. Without looking at context, one is free to draw just about any conclusion.

baka

You aren't being serious are you? Not only is that akin to asking me to prove a negative, it would inevitably lead to some hilariously faulty arguments.

You claimed that it was clearly emphasized that Nova could create those Gravimetric forces on his own had he been at full power. This was not shown anywhere.

Like I said before, World Mind's conversation with Richard's would lead us to believe that said feat had more to do with Richard possessing the correct type of power and less to do with him possessing the right amount of power.

Are you trying to insinuate that I'm ignoring context? If so, would you care to point out what exactly I'm missing?

Originally posted by dmills
If he did that, then the whole emphasis on his weakness would be redundant. If he had the power to open up a gate that potent why not just beat the shyte out of Drax and Gamora?



What's exactly is your point here?

He didn't create the anomaly himself because he couldn't - at least that's what logic dictates. He got the shit beat out of him by Gamora and Drax because he was significantly weakened. He was only at around 20%. Which further supports my stance that the Neutron Star feat had more to do with his power set and less to do with his level of power.

So an argument from silence is better? Cause that's kinda what you're doing here.


Where are you getting this whole right type vs right amount argument from? Where is that at?

Which is erroneous because he already has on panel.

When? Not that it would matter. I'm debating your claim regarding #7.

Originally posted by dmills
So an argument from silence is better? Cause that's kinda what you're doing here.



An argument from silence? Ignoring the potential stupidity of that statement -your faulting me for debating that it wasn't hinted that Nova could create an anomaly on that level because....it wasn't...- do you not understand what my stance is and how this argument started?

You initially claimed that it was clearly emphasized Nova could create that anomaly etc. had he been at full power:
Originally posted by dmills
I mean It was clearly emphasized that he was weak and thus couldn't make one on his own to escape the barrier around Kree space, so they improvised.

I disputed that claim. My stance is that said issue -Nova #7- never once emphasized that which you claimed:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Where? When they reached the Star, and World Mind explained his plan, Richard's waning level of power wasn't even mentioned. Nowhere was it emphasized that he needed the Neutron Star because he couldn't make one of his own.

The only thing emphasized regarding his power level was that he couldn't stand and fight their enemies. Even Gamora and Drax had him on the ropes in moments with some generic guns.

Your seeing something that's not there. Your might as well be projecting.

Originally posted by dmills
Where are you getting this whole right type vs right amount argument from? Where is that at?

Approaching Quanchi level. You clearly acknowledged where this was coming from in the last page. Now your clueless?

Nova and World Mind's conversation leads me to believe that Nova was able to do what he did mostly due to the fact that he can manipulate gravity. I.e. it had more to do with the type of power he possessed and not the level of power he was at. Nova being so weakened he couldn't take one Kree Sentinel and was beaten down by Drax and Gamora, doesn't hurt this stance either.

Quanchi levels? (what happened to him anyway?) Never that. Not even close. Nice ad hominem though. As I said we'll deal with this further when I get in front of a real computer.

Originally posted by dmills
Quanchi levels? (what happened to him anyway?) Never that. Not even close. Nice ad hominem though. As I said we'll deal with this further when I get in front of a real computer.

Okay, not Quanchi levels but my point stands. You knew where I was coming from previously. Acting clueless is something I would expect from someone prone to using self serving logic or arguments.

Lulz at pulling the Ad Hominem card though. If I call you stupid, idiotic, Quanchi, and so on, I'm not trying to do so in an attempt to invalidate your argument. At that point, your own replies would be doing more than I ever could. Whenever I do choose to insult someone, it's not out of some necessity, but because I want or simply feel like it.

Take your time. Don't respond. Doesn't matter. What we're discussing isn't even relevant to this thread.

Don't know what happened to Quannybun.

It's called pride.

Debate tactic. You had me on the ropes, I needed to stall until I got the comic and got my computer.

Nope. What happened to him? Perma ban?

Originally posted by dmills
It's called pride.

Debate tactic. You had me on the ropes, I needed to stall until I got the comic and got my computer.

Nope. What happened to him? Perma ban?

Heh. Think of this as a lesson in humility. I'm the Odin to your Thor.

I think I posted all the relevant scans already. Doubt you'd find any argument winning scene if you read the issue again.

I don't think so.

srug

Anyways, I'm off to eat.

With a respose like that, you say I need a lesson in humility? LMAO!

Originally posted by dmills
Ok let me see here. I don't have the book in front of me yet, but I can pretty much recall the whole scene. If I miss anything of importance I'm sure you'll point it out.

Nova breaks out of the programing.

WM informs him that it's taking 80% of the Nova Force to keep the virus at bay. We have to flee.

Rich says "so I'm only operating at a fraction of my normal power" or something like that.

WM tells him that's right barely 20% our only option is to flee.

Rich says I'm no match for one sentry at this level

WM says "Right. I repeat, WE HAVE TO FLEE".

Nova -finally gets it- says last time I tried that I got phucked up

WM says We were ignorant last time. Now I have a plan (or something to that effect)

So right there we see from the context that although NOVA mentions fighting, that was NEVER apart of WM plan. WM had been plotting an escape plan all along that required every ounce of Dick's remaining power reserves.

They then stargate to the Neutron star. Banter a little, WM explains that because of the stars crazy gravity/mass, with the right calculations etc, that Richard could manipulate it and cause a wormhole event allowing them to escape Kree space.

Now we know that Richard has created super massive gravimetric events before during Annihilation. It was so massive that Annihilus detected it from like 9 light years away. We also know that they kept the emphasis on how weak Nova was at the time and that the only option was to flee, not fight. So with that knowledge coupled with the annihilation stuff, the only rational explanation that makes sense is that he was too weak to make one powerful enough to escape, so he used something that was.

Comic book writers can't spell out every phucking detail of every action sequence for us. Sometimes we have to apply a little common sense. Oh don't get it twisted, what I said still stands. Those scans don't contradict what I said at all.

bump.

Nothings changed. Team Gravity still wins.