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Who wins?

Beyonder. Spite.

Inb4lock .

Solar has superior feats.

http://i.imgur.com/kIzTPuK.jpg

No he doesn't.

Yes he does.

What feats

Originally posted by ThereIsHope
What feats
who Solar or Beyonder?

Solar, I know the feats of the beyonder.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Inb4lock .

Originally posted by ThereIsHope
Solar, I know the feats of the beyonder.

Solar absorbs the conflicting energies, capable of merging, and collapsing the realities from a pair of companies (Valaint/Image).

The feat lands on Megaversal - Omniversal in stature.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_solar1-1.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_solar2-1.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_solar3-1.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_solar4-1.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_solar5-1.jpg

Originally posted by "Id"
Yes he does. Originally posted by Mindset
No he doesn't.

Originally posted by "Id"
Solar absorbs the conflicting energies, capable of merging, and collapsing the realities from a pair of companies (Valaint/Image).

The feat lands on Megaversal - Omniversal in stature.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_solar1-1.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_solar2-1.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_solar3-1.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_solar4-1.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_solar5-1.jpg LT makes the omniverse his *****, Beyonder makes LT his.

Originally posted by Mindset
LT makes the omniverse his *****, Beyonder makes LT his. Feats>>>Comments. That makes you my *****.

Originally posted by "Id"
Feats>>>Comments. That makes you my *****. Beyonder making LT his ***** is a feat.

*****.

Originally posted by Mindset
Beyonder making LT his ***** is a feat.

*****.
Nigga please.

You mad.

Originally posted by Mindset
You mad.
You Sad?

I'm glad.

About to close and declare Mindset and Beyonder the winners.

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm glad.
concession accepted.
I keep all my bitches happy.

Pretty easy to keep your hands happy.

They just need to be wrapped around dicks.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Mindset
Pretty easy to keep your hands happy.
Your face does an incredible face job, of blocking my closed fist.

Your face does an incredible job, of catching strangers semen.

Originally posted by Mindset
Your face does an incredible job, of catching strangers semen.
Nigga you gay.

Who's Solar?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/120965052_0cf1dd12f0_o.jpg

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Who's Solar?
Solar is an American fictional comic book character, originally published by Gold Key, later picked up by Valiant, than Acclaim, followed by Dark Horse.

Originally posted by "Id"
Solar is an American fictional comic book character, originally published by Gold Key, later picked up by Valiant, than Acclaim, followed by Dark Horse.

Let me rephrase that. Solar who?

Living Tribunal holding megaverse builders

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Let me rephrase that. Solar who?

Living Tribunal holding megaverse builders



You know Solar, you silly rascal.

Solar nullifying Omniversal threat

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing

Let me rephrase that. Solar who?

Living Tribunal holding megaverse builders

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/15141641_LT.jpg
Yup. yup,
and it takes Millions of LTs in combination with the rest of all creation
to still fall short of even equaling the Beyonder.

Anyway ...

The Beyonder ... creates his home Reality from nothingness.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/15141642_B2.jpg

... Next to the infinite Marvel totality! (omniverse)

It's like comparing an Ocean (Beyond Realm) to a drop of water (Marvelverse)


*note: ... So Two companies = Two drops of water.

Id, you're Raigening Solar

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Id, you're Raigening Solar

Heh, if you say so.

Truth is, I dont see Beyonder superior to Solar, for the same reasons Galan has Mxy>>Beyonder. If claims, and statements are how a person weighs a characters standing? Than you'll fall in love with Mr. Disco himself. Otherwise, Solar has done alot more on panel to warrant a superior claim.

Not even remotely close to me, Classic Beyonder takes this as fast as he can think I WIN.

Let me point out a few hard facts in Solar's behalf.


It is widely believed that when Solar lost control of himself, he created a massive black hole that destroyed the original reality, only to follow up and create a new one. However Unity, and Unity 2000 rectify the claim. Not only did it create a new reality from scratch, but warped the existing Multiverse to meet his psychotic fantasies.

In Unity, Solar confronted, and bested Mother God (Erica), who's energy powers where amped to Multiversal Class thanks to the "Unity Engine". When the "Unity Reactors" collapsed it spawned, a massive Black Hole that would swallow up the Multiverse. Solar proceeded to neutralize said Black Hole.

Deathmate, Solar at about half-power, neutralized the conflicting energies of Solar/Void, who if left unchecked would warp the totality of two companies (Valiant/Image), and ultimately collapse.

In 1997 v2 of Solar, we learn that for Solar just by entering a new alternate reality, provoked a change in which it caused that reality split into two, thus create a new reality. All it took to provoke a new parallel reality was for Solar to come in, and observe the old reality....sheez.

In Unity 2000, Solar goes on to collapse splintered realities into a single one, thus eliminate Valiant's Multiverse, and leave a single prime reality standing.


That's 4 to 5 real time multiversal feats (not claims), and one that lands him somewhere in the Megaversal-Omniversal department.

Cheers - Id

Originally posted by "Id"

Truth is, I dont see Beyonder superior to Solar, for the same reasons
Galan has Mxy>>Beyonder. If claims, and statements are how a
person weighs a characters standing? Than you'll fall in love with Mr.
Disco himself.

at you bringing up someone else's feelings as to why anything is anything.

... big time LOL!

Truth is ... you can use statements and blah, bah whatever,
or you can simply take feats!
Originally posted by Mr Master

The Beyonder ... creates his home Reality from nothingness.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/15141642_B2.jpg

... Next to the infinite Marvel totality! (omniverse)

It's like comparing an Ocean (Beyond Realm) to a drop of water (Marvelverse)


*note: ... So Two companies = Two drops of water.
Beyonder's Ocean > Solar's affect on Two drops of water.

yeah, sorry id--classic beyonder is.....well, he's sorta "it" in terms of power, imo. i get galan's argument, but imo, beyonder is the most powerful character ever created in comic--though i agree that myx has the best on panel feat....

^^ ... Imo, only the Primal Monitor matches what classic Beyonder was though.

Mxy un-created/re-created the whole of DC ...

Beyonder created a reality at-least billions of times larger
and literally Millions of times more powerful than the whole of Marvel.

Just sayin ... stoned

Out of curiosity:

1) Was the Marvel Multiverse established and named Omniverse during his run or after he was rectonned?
2) Was LT holding those Megaverses before or after Beyonder got "rectonned"?

Just asking because some characters might become more powerful and important over the time. Sometimes the writers have to establish their power and importance. Maybe LT during that time wasn't the powerhouse he is now, yeah still powerful enough but not on his Mega or Omniversal level. Supposed Marvelwas an Omniverse back then.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Who's Solar?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/120965052_0cf1dd12f0_o.jpg

Remember when LT acted all scared and powerless before The Brothers? And unlike the Beyonder example, he was overpowered in story by them.

Thanks for posting scans, that prove Beyonder acting scared and/or powerless means nothing.

Originally posted by Mr Master
at you bringing up someone else's feelings as to why anything is anything.

... big time LOL!

Truth is ... you can use statements and blah, bah whatever,
or you can simply take feats!


Ahah.
Originally posted by Mr Master

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/15141642_B2.jpg
Beyonder's Ocean > Solar's affect on Two drops of water.

This feat only shows Beyonder created a reality. Singular for a universe. If you want to establish that this is bajillion times greater than Marvel prime multiverse. Burden of proof falls squarely on your shoulders.

Originally posted by "Id"

This feat only shows Beyonder created a reality. Singular for a
universe. If you want to establish that this is bajillion times greater
than Marvel prime multiverse. Burden of proof falls squarely on your
shoulders.
You're kidding right?

Anyway, yea, it was also labelled a Multiverse: (like in Jim's interview)

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15162182_Beyonder_Multiverse.jpg

But this is meaningless.
Because "Universe" or "Multiverse" the point is the size of thereof.

Come on ID,
I been diggin your style of adhering to what actually happens on panel as of late.

Do I really have to post every single first page of every single SSI-SSII issue,
which clearly defines the Beyond Realm as an Ocean next to the Marvel Universe
which was like a Droplet of water?

Or should I post Jim Starlin's interview with Marvel Age where he
tells us basically 616 was like little paramecium swimming in a drop of water. (which was all Marvel)

Originally posted by Mr Master

Do I really have to post every single first page of every single SSI-SSII issue,
which clearly defines the Beyond Realm as an Ocean next to the Marvel Universe
which was like a Droplet of water?

It does not matter. Its a claim, that has a small face value.

All baseless claim, are subjected to legal burden of proof so they can be accepted.

The most you have come up with is the following:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15162182_Beyonder_Multiverse.jpg

Impressive, yet far short of authorizing the size you take its claim for.

There are more snipits I'd like to point out, but my focus is the above.

Your mistake is,
that you're equating the term "universe" or "multiverse" for the Beyond Realm,
to mean like the size of 616 of the Multiverse that houses 616.

That's utterly ridiculous, and you know you're doing it, so I'm out after this.

Originally posted by "Id"

It does not matter. Its a claim, that has a small face value.

All baseless claim, are subjected to legal burden of proof so they can be accepted.

I see. "impressive claims" by the Writer/Creator of the freakin story/character.

Anyway, I also see this can't be a debate cause you're unwilling
to accept what took place On panel, and what Beyonder was,
and how the Writer described in every book (& an interview) what was created at the end.

An infinite Universe/Multiverse yes!

That filled up an area that fits at-least BillionS of MarvelverseS.

While your guy affected Two of what takes Billions just to equal mine. stoned

I'll leave it at that.

Man from Beyond FTW

Originally posted by Mr Master
Your mistake is,
that you're equating the term "universe" or "multiverse" for the Beyond Realm,
to mean like the size of 616 of the Multiverse that houses 616.

That's utterly ridiculous, and you know you're doing it, so I'm out after this.


You know those little dialogue boxes within the comic panel?
The first reads it created a universe.
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/15141642_B2.jpg
The second retcons it to a multiverse.
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15162182_Beyonder_Multiverse.jpg

But neither sustains or shows its reality being a bajillion times bigger than Marvel's prime multiverse. Thus you are failing to provide burden of proof.




Originally posted by Mr Master

I see. "impressive claims" by the Writer/Creator of the freakin story/character.

Anyway, I also see this can't be a debate cause you're unwilling
to accept what took place On panel, and what Beyonder was,
and how the Writer described in every book (& an interview) what was created at the end.

An infinite Universe/Multiverse yes!

That filled up an area that fits at-least BillionS of MarvelverseS.

Your argument is a claim, and yet you overlook a very important detail:

Valiant - is a multiverse (possibly greater).
Image - at that time was megaversal. But has since extended their structured reality to Omniversal in size.

Thus making the feat Omniversal. Again On Panel Feat >> Claim.

Originally posted by Mr Master

While your guy affected Two of what takes Billions just to equal mine. stoned



Mr Master I am deeply concerned, do you also suffer from mental health? Taking ownership, for what a characters does in comics, is a sign of a person detaching himself from reality.

Beyonder, this is not even close!

Beyonder was Multiversal, nothing more.

lol

I see Pre-retcon winning it out by a hair.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Beyonder was Multiversal, nothing more.

Beyonder was beyond the multiverse, even LT couldn't do squat and he is Omniverse level.

Beyonder beats Solar to death with X-man.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Beyonder was beyond the multiverse, even LT couldn't do squat and he is Omniverse level.

Marvel at that time wasn't an Ominiverse, right? And LT wasn't as powerful, his best feat came later, when he held two Megaverses. His Omniversal status wasn't established yet. I asked about the chronology of this feats and Marvels Omni and Multiverse status. I didn't get an answer so I supposed it is as i say^^.

The LT who held two Megaverses in his hands would shitstomp that Beyonder and he wouldn't fail so hard against Korvac or Reed.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I've never read a Marvel comichttp://images.killermovies.com/forums/custom_avatars/avatar106163_18.gif

Originally posted by Mindset
http://images.killermovies.com/forums/custom_avatars/avatar106163_18.gif

Got a problem, boy? Don't make me use the whip!

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Got a problem, boy? Don't make me use the whip! I'm not one of your child sex slaves, you sick phuck.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Marvel at that time wasn't an Ominiverse, right? And LT wasn't as powerful, his best feat came later, when he held two Megaverses. His Omniversal status wasn't established yet. I asked about the chronology of this feats and Marvels Omni and Multiverse status. I didn't get an answer so I supposed it is as i say^^.

The LT who held two Megaverses in his hands would shitstomp that Beyonder and he wouldn't fail so hard against Korvac or Reed.

, Beyonder would piss on LT and the cosmic abstracts!!

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm not one of your child sex slaves, you sick phuck.

On a more serious note: That's not funny... some things shouldn't be made fun of...

Originally posted by the Darkone
, Beyonder would piss on LT and the cosmic abstracts!!

He was "rectonned" or better said it was made clear that he is just a cube being nothing more, which is still less then LT, LT on the other hand was made Omniversal. Hard to swallow, but Mindset will show you how to swallow properly ^^.

"Pre-Rectal Beyonder" = Multiversal, LT during that time Multiversal
True Beyonder = Cube Being, Current LT = Omniversal .

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
On a more serious note: That's not funny... some things shouldn't be made fun of...

I agree, it's not funny. You should be in prison.

Originally posted by Mindset
I agree, it's not funny. You should be in prison.

I don't want to share a cell with you, thanks...

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I don't want to share a cell with you, thanks... So admit you're an unrepentant child molester.

Originally posted by Mindset
So admit you're an unrepentant child molester.

No I just won't fulfill your wishes, that's all. I don't find this subject funny, so I'm off. Sry Bro.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
No I just won't fulfill your wishes, that's all. I don't find this subject funny, so I'm off. Sry Bro. Originally posted by Mindset
http://images.killermovies.com/forums/custom_avatars/avatar106163_18.gif

Originally posted by Batman-Prime

He was "rectonned" or better said it was made clear that he is just a
cube being nothing more, which is still less then LT, LT on the other
hand was made Omniversal.
This is inconsequential concerning Pre-Retcon Beyonder.

Also, that Cube Being and nothing more he has the power to:

---------------------------------------------------------


Cube Being - Beyonder's Power

In a Billionth of a second Remakes the Omniverse 3 times.

... well ... enjoy!

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12100806_Cube_being_-_all_powerful7.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12100812_Cube_being_-_all_powerful8.jpg

"In that moment I gained the powers ...

I was Everywhere ... and Everything ... and Everyone ...

In that moment, which is this moment. I remade all of creation."

---------------------------------------------------------


It's not just talk either, we see what Spiderman is talking about,

... he remade All Creation:

He also knocks mighty Galactus out with a single punch,
on top of rewinding all time effortlessly:

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12100435_Cube_being_-_all_powerful1.jpg
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12100438_Cube_being_-_all_powerful2.jpg
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12100442_Cube_being_-_all_powerful3.jpg
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12100444_Cube_being_-_all_powerful4.jpg

---------------------------------------------------------


This scan below follows up from the ones above.

Yes, it's still Spiderman curious about how he got the power
so he's actually looking into Future
watching Dr Doom explain what I told yall about using Wolvy & Spidey as test subjects.

Doom also tells us:

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12100447_Cube_being_-_all_powerful5.jpg

"The power I now possess reaches into the Past, the Future, All Time and Space"



http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/12101158_Cube_being_-_all_powerful9.jpg

"This is a power beyond anyone's control"


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Originally posted by Batman-Prime

"Pre-Rectal Beyonder" = Multiversal, LT during that time Multiversal

I'd like you to present to me the evidence
where the LT was supposedly upgraded/downgraded whatever.

I'll even accept just a Bio on this one.

That whole Universe/Multiverse/Omniverse means nothing regarding All of Marvel.

All of Marvel .. is all of Marvel!

Pertaining to the END of Marvel, and the Beginning again:

Marvel recognizes Sise-Neg destroying the Same Eternity in 1972,
that Entropy/Genis destroyed in 2001, and the Same Eternity
Thanos/HOTI destroyed in 2003, and the Same Eternity the Alien
Entity destroyed in 2006.

Now, that aside, ...

... the Beyonder wasn't "multiversal" ...

Everyone knows the Beyonder was literally MillionS of times more
powerful than the LT and the rest of Marvel combined.

We also know the Beyond Realm which he embodied and created from scratch,
had to BillionS +++ of times larger than all of Marvel.
(cause Shooter repeated over & over again it was like comparing an Ocean to a drop of water)

^The burden of proof falls on you. You claim that Beyonder was Omniversal, though during his run there was only the Multiverse. LT during that time was also Multiversal. Later the term Omniverse was established.

Everything you quoted could be applied quite easily to one Reality or at best one Multiverse, which was exactly what Beyonder affected.

It wasn't all of Marvel, as it was later shown by telling us that Marvel isn't just the known Multiverse but an Omniverse made of Megaverses and Multiverses.

In essence, once we learned that beyond the horizon lies a bigger world, the known world the Beyonder affected didn't appear that big.

Edit: I will make it easy, just show me one quote where it says Omniverse during the Beyonder arc before we learned the truth, that he is just a cube being.

Beyonder easily..the only being whose equal to him is Primal Monitor..

As I mentioned previously. Valiant/Acclaim is possibly bigger than a Multiverse.

Loremaster catalogs all history of alternate realities in the form comics. If you look closely at the boxes, he has both Marvel and DC titles.

"Dorque: Whats this?
Loremaster: One my master indexes. I was cataloging a reality. They are popping into existence all the time, you know. Splitting off from each other."
http://i.imgur.com/ooSgotO.jpg





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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
On a more serious note: That's not funny... some things shouldn't be made fun of...



He was "rectonned" or better said it was made clear that he is just a cube being nothing more, which is still less then LT, LT on the other hand was made Omniversal. Hard to swallow, but Mindset will show you how to swallow properly ^^.

"Pre-Rectal Beyonder" = Multiversal, LT during that time Multiversal
True Beyonder = Cube Being, Current LT = Omniversal .

Classic Beyonder was beyond multiverse and his feats prove this, post Beyonder would lose. But this is Classic Beyonder, and this version of Beyonder would rage stomp Solar into oblivion

Originally posted by "Id"
As I mentioned previously. Valiant/Acclaim is possibly bigger than a Multiverse.

Loremaster catalogs all history of alternate realities in the form comics. If you look closely at the boxes, he has both Marvel and DC titles.

"Dorque: Whats this?
Loremaster: One my master indexes. I was cataloging a reality. They are popping into existence all the time, you know. Splitting off from each other."
http://i.imgur.com/ooSgotO.jpg





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So do you think Solar can beat Living Tribunal or Lucifer Morningstar?

The Primal Monitor?

Originally posted by cdtm
So do you think Solar can beat Living Tribunal or Lucifer Morningstar?

The Primal Monitor?
Living Tribunal? Yup.

Primal Monitor, or Lucifer? I am unfamiliar with.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Classic Beyonder was beyond multiverse and his feats prove this, post Beyonder would lose. But this is Classic Beyonder, and this version of Beyonder would rage stomp Solar into oblivion

Ok he affected a Multiverse, let's say he was bigger then this Multiverse. Yet we later learned that this Multiverse and everything Beyonder believed exists is just a part of a much much bigger Omniverse, which has Megaverses and all. So he was juat a small part of something much bigger, we also learned that he is just a cube being and that LT was back then just Multiversal and that he is now an Omniversal Judge...