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Who wins?
No prep..
No BFR..


Can a team of top 5 members defeat the mad Titan?
What to me are Marvels top 5 high herald heroes get a crack at the big man.
In no real order...

A Top 5 members team of↓↓

Blue Marvel
Dr.Strange
Thor
Silver Surfer
Hulk

Vs

Thanos


After reading the Darkseid thread by Sin i Am, about if Darksied is above Thanos or below, I thought about putting Thanos in a fight vs A top 5 high herald team..

In that thread Darkseid was being compared more to Superman. .
Here Thanos will be fighting 5 super men all at the same time..

doctor strange has a chance.. no one else has a chance besides wwh at a high power level or wbh

Thanos. all day, every day.

Team

Thanos wrecks. If you're looking for a team consisting of 5 heralds to defeat Thanos, your best bet is to have someone on the team who is capable of power-stacking.

Example: Black Alice+Constantine+Doctor Fate+Shazam+Zatanna. Alice absorbs the cumulative power of the magic users at the onset of the battle and proceeds to fight Thanos. Not saying she'd win, but she would certainly stand a better chance at beating him than 5 individual heralds, imho. /shrug

Originally posted by Supermex
Who wins?
No prep..
No BFR..


Can a team of top 5 members defeat the mad Titan?
What to me are Marvels top 5 high herald heroes get a crack at the big man.
In no real order...

A Top 5 members team of↓↓

Blue Marvel
Dr.Strange
Thor
Silver Surfer
Hulk

Vs

Thanos


After reading the Darkseid thread by Sin i Am, about if Darksied is above Thanos or below, I thought about putting Thanos in a fight vs A top 5 high herald team..

In that thread Darkseid was being compared more to Superman. .
Here Thanos will be fighting 5 super men all at the same time..

Thor and Surfer would own Thanos. Surfer alone can beat him if he employs the blackhole blast strategy.

Originally posted by Galan007
Thanos wrecks. If you're looking for a team consisting of 5 heralds to defeat Thanos, your best bet is to have someone on the team who is capable of power-stacking.

Example: Black Alice+Constantine+Doctor Fate+Shazam+Zatanna. Alice absorbs the cumulative power of the magic users at the onset of the battle and proceeds to fight Thanos. Not saying she'd win, but she would certainly stand a better chance at beating him than 5 individual heralds, imho. /shrug

PC Fatal Five could do it.

Although Thanos would win a few by taking Persuaders axe, since he's always bragging about how awesome it is.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor and Surfer would own Thanos. Surfer alone can beat him if he employs the blackhole blast strategy. again with this same trolling nonsense despite been proved wrong countless times

Thanos is about equal to or greater then Morg/w wol and took on 4 herald and terrax said even with the help SS they would have lost. Tyrant said Thanos was more then the team of heral level being trying to stop him.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
again with this same trolling nonsense despite been proved wrong countless times

Thanos is not beating both Thor and Surfer in a forum fight. Get your head out of the comics and into logic. Surfer can kill Thanos with blackhole blasts. There is no way out of that tactic. Surfer is fast as shit. There is no way Thanos can defend against both attacking him while trying to do attacks himself.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos is not beating both Thor and Surfer in a forum fight. Get your head out of the comics and into logic. Surfer can kill Thanos with blackhole blasts. There is no way out of that tactic. Surfer is fast as shit. There is no way Thanos can defend against both attacking him while trying to do attacks himself. forum fights are still based off actual showings, Surfer has never created a black hole similar in power or scope to the one Thanos encounter which didn't kill Thanos and the only reason Thanos had trouble with it was because it closed so quickly (30 seconds after opening) . Surfers speed is redundant as he lacks the power to harm Thanos

Team probably if Strange amps them.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos is not beating both Thor and Surfer in a forum fight. Get your head out of the comics and into logic. Surfer can kill Thanos with blackhole blasts. There is no way out of that tactic. Surfer is fast as shit. There is no way Thanos can defend against both attacking him while trying to do attacks himself.

You're the ultimate in clown shoes... We go by comics you nitwit.. not how we WANT them to fight or think they can fight. Comics show, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Thanos is above surfer. Well above him at that. Thanos has literally killed surfer and he's never NOT ONCE beaten Thanos. You can't dismiss years of history and how marvel views them to adopt your idiocy on what you think should happen When Fedor beat Nog 2 times in MMA.. we can't go.. Well I still think Nog would win if he would've done this or that.. or I still think he's better. Fedor won and did so 2 times.. Nog never beat him. Same thing here.. Neither Thor nor Surfer has EVER beaten him.. in fact.. they have rarely even posed a challenge to him. Those are the facts we go by.. now clownshoes idiocy in your own mind.

Just bare in mind that Thor, Sufer have help here..
Not that it matter maybe.

Blue Marvel
Dr.Strange
Thor
Silver Surfer
Hulk

Cant get much better than this top 5

Originally posted by Supermex
Just bare in mind that Thor, Sufer have help here..
Not that it matter maybe.

Blue Marvel
Dr.Strange
Thor
Silver Surfer
Hulk

Cant get much better than this top 5

I think you should replace Strange for Superman. Strange powers, I don't think it's enough to do anything to Thanos. As for the thread...Thanos is powerful but he is over rated...highly over rated. This team would destroy him. You have one person on the team that is a physical threat by himself...then you have another physical beast on the team that is shooting out anti matter. Another guy that is literally one of the most versatile character in comics. You have Thor who already temporarily held his own against Thanos for a bit and is also a physical Beast AND versatile as well. This is a stomp. Thanos isn't Tyrant or Odin. He isn't beating a team of this caliber by himself.

I probably going to temp ban Thanos again. mmm

I give an edge to the team. Due to its versatility, and strange doesn't necessarily have to damage Thanos. He can possibly concoct a spell which amps each member of this team in the background which can make them even more uber than they already are.

Originally posted by Badabing
I probably going to temp ban Thanos again. mmm

Originally posted by Insane Titan
forum fights are still based off actual showings, Surfer has never created a black hole similar in power or scope to the one Thanos encounter which didn't kill Thanos and the only reason Thanos had trouble with it was because it closed so quickly (30 seconds after opening) . Surfers speed is redundant as he lacks the power to harm Thanos black holes have infinite force at their singularities. That means a 1 solar mass black hole = 1million solar mass black hole AT THE SINGULARITY. Now, in the event horizon they can have various strength. Thanos never touched the singularity. He was in the event horizon trying to escape. Parts of his ship even survived. Surfer would create the singularity on Thanos person. Thanos would die instantly.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're the ultimate in clown shoes... We go by comics you nitwit.. not how we WANT them to fight or think they can fight. Comics show, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Thanos is above surfer. Well above him at that. Thanos has literally killed surfer and he's never NOT ONCE beaten Thanos. You can't dismiss years of history and how marvel views them to adopt your idiocy on what you think should happen When Fedor beat Nog 2 times in MMA.. we can't go.. Well I still think Nog would win if he would've done this or that.. or I still think he's better. Fedor won and did so 2 times.. Nog never beat him. Same thing here.. Neither Thor nor Surfer has EVER beaten him.. in fact.. they have rarely even posed a challenge to him. Those are the facts we go by.. now clownshoes idiocy in your own mind. Logic >>>> your nonsense. surfer has black holed blast in comics. If he does that to Thanos then it is over.

Originally posted by h1a8
black holes have infinite force at their singularities. That means a 1 solar mass black hole = 1million solar mass black hole AT THE SINGULARITY. Now, in the event horizon they can have various strength. Thanos never touched the singularity. He was in the event horizon trying to escape. Parts of his ship even survived. Surfer would create the singularity on Thanos person. Thanos would die instantly. real world physics mean nothing here , we go by what was shown and stated on panel.

Surfer has never done such a thing, if you're claiming he has has! Prove it for once and stop trolling

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos never touched the singularity. He was in the event horizon trying to escape..
Cite the scans which state that.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Surfer has never done such a thing, if you're claiming he has has! Prove it for once and stop trolling
He's confusing combat showings with space cheese. Surfer has a single feat where his energy discharge created a miniature black hole or something. h1 interprets that as meaning that an in-character Surfer goes about randomly discharging black holes against opponents in forum fights.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Cite the scans which state that. he can't , as in the story it states the black hole closes on him

Originally posted by Epicurus
He's confusing combat showings with space cheese. Surfer has a single feat where his energy discharge created a miniature black hole or something. h1 interprets that as meaning that an in-character Surfer goes about randomly discharging black holes against opponents in forum fights. tbh he can't and never has proven anything ever

Thanos wins.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos is not beating both Thor and Surfer in a forum fight. Get your head out of the comics and into logic. Surfer can kill Thanos with blackhole blasts. There is no way out of that tactic. Surfer is fast as shit. There is no way Thanos can defend against both attacking him while trying to do attacks himself.

I'll hold my hand up, and admit I have not seen Surfer throwing black holes around. Scans of the incident in question?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'll hold my hand up, and admit I have not seen Surfer throwing black holes around. Scans of the incident in question?

Happened twice since annihilation. One black hole was so big that Thanos himself decided to flee (and he was creating this with his blasting power).

Carver is lying he didn't flee at all , if he actually read the story he just may understand the context of it

Originally posted by carver9
Happened twice since annihilation. One black hole was so big that Thanos himself decided to flee (and he was creating this with his blasting power).

You're gonna have to hit me up with that sweet sweet scan juice, scan daddy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You're gonna have to hit me up with that sweet sweet scan juice, scan daddy.

Lol...juice daddy (hilarious). Here you go buddy.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9429/annihilationsilversurfeiv2.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5159/annihilationsilversurfeay7.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5960/annihilationsilversurfekp8.jpg

This happened before his annihilation upgrade. Thanos got the hell on after this attack.

Also forgot to add that this black hole was seen in another Galaxy.

So let me get this straight. Norrin (the silver fish) is going to launch an event horizon right there next to his team mates (my God my ribs are hurting from laughter), and have them all pulled into it, while Thanos teleports out of there, only to appear later to break his ass once again? Why are people bringing up the ridiculous? Or maybe Thor will use his God blast while his team are all in the way? Yes they can do these moves, but the question is... Would they? LOL can you see me laughing over here? huh can you? Who brought up this black hole thing anyways? Let's give them a round of applause.

Originally posted by Stoic
So let me get this straight. Norrin (the silver fish) is going to launch an event horizon right there next to his team mates (my God my ribs are hurting from laughter), and have them all pulled into it, while Thanos teleports out of there, only to appear later to break his ass once again? Why are people bringing up the ridiculous? Or maybe Thor will use his God blast while his team are all in the way? Yes they can do these moves, but the question is... Would they? LOL can you see me laughing over here? huh can you? Who brought up this black hole thing anyways? Let's give them a round of applause.

I never said that. Thanos has already defeated Surfer so why would anyone give Surfer the win against him. I just posted the ft because someone asked for it. This team still kills Thanos though.

Originally posted by Stoic
So let me get this straight. Norrin (the silver fish) is going to launch an event horizon right there next to his team mates (my God my ribs are hurting from laughter), and have them all pulled into it, while Thanos teleports out of there, only to appear later to break his ass once again? Why are people bringing up the ridiculous? Or maybe Thor will use his God blast while his team are all in the way? Yes they can do these moves, but the question is... Would they? LOL can you see me laughing over here? huh can you? Who brought up this black hole thing anyways? Let's give them a round of applause.

To be fair, Thor hit Juggernaut with a concentrated Godblast which happened to be somewhere in the vicinity of a construction site with no other detrimental effects. And we should probably give a little credit to their teammates. Maybe...

Originally posted by carver9
I never said that. Thanos has already defeated Surfer so why would anyone give Surfer the win against him. I just posted the ft because someone asked for it. This team still kills Thanos though.

Have you heard of Thanos' sneak attack maneuver? You know the one where he takes control of the Hulk, and has him bum rush half the team?

Just a little "FYI", Surfer unleashing black hole-creating energies against an opponent one time in his nearly 50 year history/dozenS of battles, does not mean it is 'in-character' for him to do so against every opponent he faces. By that logic it is far more 'in-character' for current Juggernaut to use his force-field. srsly

Fighting in-character, Thanos definitely wins. The guy stomps heralds like they're fodder.

Originally posted by Stoic
Have you heard of Thanos' sneak attack maneuver? You know the one where he takes control of the Hulk, and has him bum rush half the team?

That was against a calm Hulk and this happened in the same comic Thanos got arrows put through him. Where Thanos got one of his teeth punched out by Vision. If this is current Hulk who tends to be in a rage 90% of the time...TP isn't working.

would 5 surfers do it?
if yes then team wins, if not then team loses

Originally posted by Galan007
Just a little "FYI", Surfer unleashing black hole-creating energies against an opponent one time in his nearly 50 year history/dozenS of battles, does not mean it is 'in-character' for him to do so against every opponent he faces. By that logic it is far more 'in-character' for current Juggernaut to use his force-field. srsly

Fighting in-character, Thanos definitely wins. The guy stomps heralds like they're fodder.

I agree with this. Hope this is directed at H1 since he is the one using the black hole argument.

Originally posted by carver9
That was against a calm Hulk and this happened in the same comic Thanos got arrows put through him. Where Thanos got one of his teeth punched out by Vision. If this is current Hulk who tends to be in a rage 90% of the time...TP isn't working.

I sure hope that you're correct because if you're wrong, there will be quite a few complications. So let's go with the scenario where you are wrong, and Thanos happens to grab hold of the Hulk. What happens when his original team has no idea that he is going to hit them with all of his might. Who do you think that he would knock out if they weren't expecting it? About half the team? If that happens it would be a two on two right? Strange with his questionable durability would be taken out by the effects of the Hulk hitting Thor, and then Blue Marvel goes out next. Who would be left on the field after this?

Originally posted by Stoic
I sure hope that you're correct because if you're wrong, there will be quite a few complications. So let's go with the scenario where you are wrong, and Thanos happens to grab hold of the Hulk. What happens when his original team has no idea that he is going to hit them with all of his might. Who do you think that he would knock out if they weren't expecting it? About half the team? If that happens it would be a two on two right? Strange with his questionable durability would be taken out by the effects of the Hulk hitting Thor, and then Blue Marvel goes out next. Who would be left on the field after this?

That isn't working though. TPing a calm Hulk is different than TPING an enrage/pissed Hulk. Then you have people on the team that can put TP defenses up for the team. Let's say if Thanos succeeds at TPing Hulk and someone like Strange breaks this TP assault before Hulk did too much damage to the team. What kind of Hulk would we have then once he realize Thanos used him against his team? Once he realize he was taken advantage of. Hulk is d*** near completely indestructible right now and he has already laughed off a punch from Thanos recently. I don't think Thanos would want to piss current Hulk off...at all, and messing with his mind would do just that.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with this. Hope this is directed at H1 since he is the one using the black hole argument.

I'm in agreement. Honestly though, Thanos isn't just any opponent. He's the sort of character that warrants such action regardless of the probability. Whether it translates is certainly a different matter. I still see it as an ace up Surfer's sleeve however. Whether it's ever played or not is at the discretion of the writer. It's doubtful though. A forum fight- even more doubtful because a consensus won't ever be reached concerning the matter.

Originally posted by Orrsome28
I'm in agreement. Honestly though, Thanos isn't just any opponent. He's the sort of character that warrants such action regardless of the probability. Whether it translates is certainly a different matter. I still see it as an ace up Surfer's sleeve however. Whether it's ever played or not is at the discretion of the writer. It's doubtful though. A forum fight- even more doubtful because a consensus won't ever be reached concerning the matter.

Where is this scan of Thanos fleeing?

And god knows why people say Surfer got a upgrade in Annihilation ! As it's been proven he never got more powerful

I just need to know why people are giving Thanos the win here? Because he has taken on the Maker, Odin, Tyrant. Great fts. Thor has taken on Destroyer armor Odin, Odin, Celestials, Galactus, Chaos King, Serpent...doesn't mean he is beating a team of this caliber. Thanos has good fts...amazing fts for someone of his power level but I have as of yet to see him defeat a team of Heralds by himself.

The reason a consensus will never be reached is because Surfer has existed as a character for several decadeS, but has only unleashed black hole energies against an opponent once in that time. Thus, it is simply not an in-character tactic for him by any stretch of the imagination.

We use averages here, not cherry-picked/one-time scenes.

Originally posted by Galan007
The reason a consensus will never be reached is because Surfer has existed as a character for several decadeS, but has only unleashed black hole energies against an opponent once in that time. Thus, it is simply not an in-character tactic for him by any stretch of the imagination.

We use averages here, not cherry-picked/one-time scenes.

Wouldn't Thanos mind attacking during mid battle fall in the same category?

Team again.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said that. Thanos has already defeated Surfer so why would anyone give Surfer the win against him. I just posted the ft because someone asked for it. This team still kills Thanos though.

Stop lying, nobody asked for it, ever.


Originally posted by carver9
Wouldn't Thanos mind attacking during mid battle fall in the same category?

Nah, because Thanos is a bastard who uses such a tactic during battle.

Surfer is a pacifist, who used it to create a monument to a fallen hero. In the isolation of space.

It's amazing how certain posters think stacking fodder means a win against certain characters and avoid proving what they repeat

Odin's BLOOOD Arghieee, Hulk smashurassin.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Stop lying, nobody asked for it, ever.




Nah, because Thanos is a bastard who uses such a tactic during battle.

Surfer is a pacifist, who used it to create a monument to a fallen hero. In the isolation of space.

He just fought the most powerful team of Avengers that has ever existed. Why didn't he use TP then since it is a tactic that he will use?

Originally posted by carver9
He just fought the most powerful team of Avengers that has ever existed. Why didn't he use TP then since it is a tactic that he will use?

Their most powerful member, the mighty Hulk, was already taken care of. Once the biggest threat, who scares Thanos, is out of the equation, why else would he need his TP?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Their most powerful member, the mighty Hulk, was already taken care of. Once the biggest threat, who scares Thanos, is out of the equation, why else would he need his TP?

Why not do the same against a more powerful team though? If this is a tactic for Thanos, why wouldn't he just add Hulk to his team...Especially with the team being far more powerful than the team he faced when controlling Hulk.

In the Infinity Watch book Drax was able to hold Thanos untill Gamora punched him in the face WWH imo could do that imo and then have the other beat him down, also Strange was able to bring some heros to pull Thanos and SS apart.

Originally posted by carver9
Why not do the same against a more powerful team though? If this is a tactic for Thanos, why wouldn't he just add Hulk to his team...Especially with the team being far more powerful than the team he faced when controlling Hulk.

It all boils down to the fact that we're grossly limited by the writers' often largely disparate interpretations rather than the characters themselves.

how close in power were the revengers to there actual selves?

Originally posted by golem370
In the Infinity Watch book Drax was able to hold Thanos untill Gamora punched him in the face WWH imo could do that imo and then have the other beat him down, also Strange was able to bring some heros to pull Thanos and SS apart. that's a bad example to try and use as Thanos was able to hold his own with Tyrant in a strength lock up and he was able to wrestle with Odin for the gungnir staff using only one hand whilst Odin used both, doesn't make Thanos as strong or stronger than them

Originally posted by bbrem123
how close in power were the revengers to there actual selves?

Didn't Surfer take out two of the most powerful Revengers?

Casually, and actually talked smack about them.

Anyone got THOSE scans?

Originally posted by Galan007
The reason a consensus will never be reached is because Surfer has existed as a character for several decadeS, but has only unleashed black hole energies against an opponent once in that time. Thus, it is simply not an in-character tactic for him by any stretch of the imagination.

We use averages here, not cherry-picked/one-time scenes.

Surfer has created black holes more than once. And has also mentioned that he can do so to his enemy at any time. I don't see Surfer doing the tactic right off the bat, but he will eventually do it if he sees there is no other way. It might take 30 min in the fight for all we know for Surfer to realize he can do this. Also, forum fights are based off logic (not plot).

Originally posted by Stoic
So let me get this straight. Norrin (the silver fish) is going to launch an event horizon right there next to his team mates (my God my ribs are hurting from laughter), and have them all pulled into it, while Thanos teleports out of there, only to appear later to break his ass once again? Why are people bringing up the ridiculous? Or maybe Thor will use his God blast while his team are all in the way? Yes they can do these moves, but the question is... Would they? LOL can you see me laughing over here? huh can you? Who brought up this black hole thing anyways? Let's give them a round of applause.

No, Thanos is going to be subject to the singularity, not the event horizon. He will be destroyed instantly. Surfer has survived inside the event horizon before. Thor can simply fly out or teleport.

Originally posted by Epicurus
He's confusing combat showings with space cheese. Surfer has a single feat where his energy discharge created a miniature black hole or something. h1 interprets that as meaning that an in-character Surfer goes about randomly discharging black holes against opponents in forum fights. Surfer has created black holes on more than 1 occassion. He even states that he can (proving that's how he thinks).

Originally posted by Epicurus
Cite the scans which state that.

Fallacy. It doesn't have to be stated in order to be true. It was shown. Parts of the ship survived although it tried to escape.

Originally posted by carver9
Wouldn't Thanos mind attacking during mid battle fall in the same category?

Stop being a clownshoes... He has NUMEROUS TP feats is the thing.. not just one... NUMEROUS times he's TP'd someone... He's done so to The Maker... Fallen One... Fought off Moondragon numerous times.. sometimes mind battle... The Hulk situation... Galactus... He has a decorated history of TPing people or resisting TP mind battle or not battling. Surfer on the other hand... only done that feat one time. Huge Difference.

Also this wasn't a clam hulk POST THE SCANS saying he was calm. Where was this stated. He was said to actually be angry... So thanos TP'd an angry hulk with EASE

Originally posted by carver9
That was against a calm Hulk and this happened in the same comic Thanos got arrows put through him. Where Thanos got one of his teeth punched out by Vision. If this is current Hulk who tends to be in a rage 90% of the time...TP isn't working.

None of this is true.

Hulk stated he was angry before being mind controlled.

Arrows were to his gold shoulder Armour and no blood was shown.

Vision never punched out his teeth. It was from a combined assault from Avengers, GOTG, and FF4. This is after being weakened by the fake cube.

Current Hulk got mind raped by Abyss too.

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer has created black holes more than once. And has also mentioned that he can do so to his enemy at any time. I don't see Surfer doing the tactic right off the bat, but he will eventually do it if he sees there is no other way. It might take 30 min in the fight for all we know for Surfer to realize he can do this. Also, forum fights are based off logic (not plot).



No, Thanos is going to be subject to the singularity, not the event horizon. He will be destroyed instantly. Surfer has survived inside the event horizon before. Thor can simply fly out or teleport.

Surfer has created black holes on more than 1 occassion. He even states that he can (proving that's how he thinks).



Fallacy. It doesn't have to be stated in order to be true. It was shown. Parts of the ship survived although it tried to escape.

Simpleton... Thanos can Teleport 2.. Why on earth do you not understand this.. he can EASILY teleport out of it. he's even done so before. This tactic won't work and also.. HOW is surfer going to last 30 minutes as you claim before he tries a tactic that won't even work anyways? He's been nearly killed in a matter of minutes... How the F is going to last awhile with Thanos when he can be put down with utter ease in minutes?

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer has created black holes more than once. And has also mentioned that he can do so to his enemy at any time. I don't see Surfer doing the tactic right off the bat, but he will eventually do it if he sees there is no other way. It might take 30 min in the fight for all we know for Surfer to realize he can do this. Lol, 30 minutes? Thanos has been shown capable of utterly thrashing Surfer in the space of a few seconds:
http://imgur.com/oLGEE2g
http://imgur.com/SYwBo7t
http://imgur.com/j8kFbfs



Originally posted by h1a8
Also, forum fights are based off logic (not plot). No, forum battles are decided by average in-character performances--not your personal opinion of how a character should be able to fight based off a few cherry-picked feats.

Lol h1/carver avoided all my points, Galan is owning though

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, 30 minutes? Thanos has been shown capable of utterly thrashing Surfer in the space of a few seconds:
http://imgur.com/oLGEE2g
http://imgur.com/SYwBo7t
http://imgur.com/j8kFbfs



No, forum battles are decided by average in-character performances--not your personal opinion of how a character should be able to fight based off a few cherry-picked feats.

It's like clapping with one hand Galan, he makes up tales that go beyond what the character does while in character, aside from the fact that he didn't give Thanos the slightest doubt that he could survive such a tactic if it were to be used. Or if the Surfer ever got the chance to use it.

Also how does it make sense that the Hulk is super pissed the moment he becomes the Hulk? If this were the case no one would ever be able to reason with him, he would essentially be just like Doomsday. Thanos could take control of the Hulk the moment his sees him on the battlefield while no one has any clue as to what happened. Then when they begin the Hulk switches sides, and bum rushes half of the team. A surprise attack from him was shown to severely hurt even Thor.

Originally posted by One-Punch
None of this is true.

Hulk stated he was angry before being mind controlled.

Arrows were to his gold shoulder Armour and no blood was shown.

Vision never punched out his teeth. It was from a combined assault from Avengers, GOTG, and FF4. This is after being weakened by the fake cube.

Current Hulk got mind raped by Abyss too.

When was if stated that Hulk was angry during the Thanos showing?

That must be some thick armor because those arrows were pretty deep in him.

You could be correct about the Vision things. Can't remember off hand.

Post the abyss scan.

Originally posted by carver9
When was if stated that Hulk was angry during the Thanos showing?

That must be some thick armor because those arrows were pretty deep in him.

You could be correct about the Vision things. Can't remember off hand.

Post the abyss scan.
Hulk and Avengers were fighting the Zodiac. Hulk was fighting Leo and then states "HULK ANGRY!"

http://s29.postimg.org/rdixcuqur/008.jpg
He beats up Leo and then fights the other Zodiac, and then that's when Thanos appears and mind-controls him.

We get a view of Thanos' back after the arrows fell off. There wasn't a single drop of blood or even any visible signs of punctures. The arrows were so "deep" they did no visible damage, at all.

Yeah I'm correct. There were three super teams attacking Thanos... How do you miss that?

How can you forget when Abyss (very easily) mind controlled Hulk like a puppet? It happened in the very first Avengers NOW comic by Hickman. Abyss used Hulk to sneak attack Thor.

You're also wrong when you stated Thor was holding his own against Thanos. Unless "holding his own" means getting your attacks no-sold and mocked, having your head almost knocked off your shoulders, and then helplessly being blown away while your enemy powers up.

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On a separate note, no one listen to h1.

I'm a real Surfer fan. Surfer doesn't stand a chance against Thanos, and he'd get steam rolled just like in the past. Even if Surfer started busting out planet wrecking attacks or even a singularity Thanos would tank it with a grin and still stomp him.

Thanos treats heralds like Surfer, Thor, and Hulk like 5 year olds. It's obvious for anyone who's actually read his appearances. Sometimes Thanos even treats low-trans level characters like Lord Mar-Vell like fodder too.

Originally posted by One-Punch


I'm a real Surfer fan. You aren't. H1 is the real Surfer fan.

uhuh

Originally posted by abhilegend
You aren't. H1 is the real Surfer fan.

uhuh
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Originally posted by One-Punch
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Truth hurts.

Team wins

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor and Surfer would own Thanos. Surfer alone can beat him if he employs the blackhole blast strategy.

Thanos could beat Surfer if he employs fist to face strategy.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, 30 minutes? Thanos has been shown capable of utterly thrashing Surfer in the space of a few seconds:
http://imgur.com/oLGEE2g
http://imgur.com/SYwBo7t
http://imgur.com/j8kFbfs



No, forum battles are decided by average in-character performances--not your personal opinion of how a character should be able to fight based off a few cherry-picked feats. Everyone knows that feat. And seen it a billion times. That's PIS and also a low showing for Surfer.


Surfer has ftl speed and reflexes. He's not going to allow Thanos just to walk to him and hit him in a forum fight.

NO! PIS doesn't count. A character who performs stupidly for the sake of the plot has NOTHING to do with their character. If they perform stupidly because they are naturally that stupid then yes. Surfer is smart enough to create black holes IF he decides that is the only way to win. Surfer has a long history of figuring out the weakness of characters or determining a way to beat someone.
In the fight if Surfer doesn't see anyway of beating Thanos then he will eventually think of a black hole blast. So I'm not suggesting he will automatically just use a black hole blast from the very beginning. But he will eventually use it if needed later on.

Also you are forgetting the Full Capacity Rule. Full Capacity implies intelligence as well as power levels. We average what they would do under FULL CAPACITY and not what they do in general (including PIS showings). Otherwise, what will be the use for FULL CAPACITY?

Plus Surfer has fought Thanos several times to know that blasts won't work on him (unless he has his planet destroying blasts). Thus planning before the bell is allowed, and Surfer knows Thanos can tank his blasts. What do you think that means?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Simpleton... Thanos can Teleport 2.. Why on earth do you not understand this.. he can EASILY teleport out of it. he's even done so before. This tactic won't work and also.. HOW is surfer going to last 30 minutes as you claim before he tries a tactic that won't even work anyways? He's been nearly killed in a matter of minutes... How the F is going to last awhile with Thanos when he can be put down with utter ease in minutes? Teleport out of an event horizon yes. But he won't be in the event horizon. The singularity will be on him. The moment the singularity touches him then he's destroyed instantly.

Surfer has ftl speed and reflexes. It would be nearly impossible for Thanos to hit him.

What if Thanos has fast reactions as well?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What if Thanos has fast reactions as well?

Cap and Batman have fast reactions as well. But no where near Superman level.
In other words, just having fast reactions is not enough.

Also, having reactions isn't good enough. You must have the speed to go along with it. If an object is traveling towards you at ftl speeds and you see it in slow motion (reactions) but can't move no where near it's speed then you will simply get hit as you would be frozen and can't move.

If you could move then you can move almost as fast as the object itself.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap and Batman have fast reactions as well. But no where near Superman level.
In other words, just having fast reactions is not enough.

Also, having reactions isn't good enough. You must have the speed to go along with it. If an object is traveling towards you at ftl speeds and you see it in slow motion (reactions) but can't move no where near it's speed then you will simply get hit as you would be frozen and can't move.

If you could move then you can move almost as fast as the object itself.

How fast would you say Thanos was? And how would you judge his speed?

*Avoids train wreck*

So.. How's about a DC One Million team? Say, one with Hourman android on it. Superman One Million, and...

Would Batman even matter here? Maybe he could distract him with soul kung fu..?

Their Wonder Woman and Flash is actually inferior to regular JLA. I guess you could sub in the super ape..

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How fast would you say Thanos was? And how would you judge his speed? Well different parts have different speeds. Thanos hands are his fastest parts. On average I would say his hands when blocking or striking moves 1/100th of the speed of light at the middle of their motion. I would judge his hand speed by some of the attacks he blocked (although character's telegraph sometimes) and his punching power, which translates to punching speed.

His feet and torso are very slow though. His running speed is probably no more than 100 mph and his mobility speed even worse. For example, If Surfer zipped around to the back of him then Surfer would get there before he moved an inch to turn around to face Surfer. Thus zipping behind Thanos would be very useful in a fight.

Care to prove any of then calculations

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Care to prove any of then calculations

Not gonna happen. He just talks all of this in a forum mess, but discounts what he deems unlikely in a comic. People have hit the Surfer plenty of times. So many in fact that if it were PIS it would only happen once. Per forum rules he's dead wrong. Thanos tagged the Fallen One with ease. He slapped Hulk out of his leaping bull rush with ease. It comes to a point where you just have to say that Thanos is fast.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well different parts have different speeds. Thanos hands are his fastest parts. On average I would say his hands when blocking or striking moves 1/100th of the speed of light at the middle of their motion. I would judge his hand speed by some of the attacks he blocked (although character's telegraph sometimes) and his punching power, which translates to punching speed.

His feet and torso are very slow though. His running speed is probably no more than 100 mph and his mobility speed even worse. For example, If Surfer zipped around to the back of him then Surfer would get there before he moved an inch to turn around to face Surfer. Thus zipping behind Thanos would be very useful in a fight.

How do you know his running speed is maxed at 100mph? And that his mobility is worse?

Also, his hand speed.

Never have I witnessed such fail.

Originally posted by Stoic
Not gonna happen. He just talks all of this in a forum mess, but discounts what he deems unlikely in a comic. People have hit the Surfer plenty of times. So many in fact that if it were PIS it would only happen once. Per forum rules he's dead wrong. Thanos tagged the Fallen One with ease. He slapped Hulk out of his leaping bull rush with ease. It comes to a point where you just have to say that Thanos is fast. Fallen One didn't move fast at all when Thanos stopped him. He had no time or distance to build up speed. Remember, objects accelerate to a certain speed. At the moment Thanos stopped him could have had Fallen One at orbital speed, nothing more.

Thanos has superhuman speed (faster than a human) but in comparison to Superman and Surfer then he is slow as shit.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How do you know his running speed is maxed at 100mph? And that his mobility is worse?

Also, his hand speed. Based off faster character's running speed. He never moved his feet quicker than that. He once ran for the IG and didn't outrun anyone.

I never seen Thanos very mobile (turning his whole body around in a jiffy). Spidey should dance around him fairly easily. Even Gamora was outmaneuvering him.
Unless you have showings that contradict that?

His hand speed is impressive though. But not better than the fastest heralds.

Originally posted by Galan007
Never have I witnessed such fail.

Stop lying. You failed harder than this before.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos is not beating both Thor and Surfer in a forum fight. Get your head out of the comics and into logic. Surfer can kill Thanos with blackhole blasts. There is no way out of that tactic. Surfer is fast as shit. There is no way Thanos can defend against both attacking him while trying to do attacks himself.


Well, heres some logic.

Odin, effortlessly grabbed and choked out surfer.

ok right.


Now odin also beat down thanos, and had to try, HARD.


So thanos is way, way, way above surfer.

Surfer is OP as hell don't get me wrong.

But not quite there.

Originally posted by h1a8
Based off faster character's running speed. He never moved his feet quicker than that. He once ran for the IG and didn't outrun anyone.

I never seen Thanos very mobile (turning his whole body around in a jiffy). Spidey should dance around him fairly easily. Even Gamora was outmaneuvering him.
Unless you have showings that contradict that?

His hand speed is impressive though. But not better than the fastest heralds.

I agree. Speed is the #1 deciding factor. I actually think that the Flash would do great against Thanos... He can definitely take some wins.

Originally posted by h1a8
Based off faster character's running speed. He never moved his feet quicker than that. He once ran for the IG and didn't outrun anyone.

I never seen Thanos very mobile (turning his whole body around in a jiffy). Spidey should dance around him fairly easily. Even Gamora was outmaneuvering him.
Unless you have showings that contradict that?

His hand speed is impressive though. But not better than the fastest heralds.

How do you know he was not jobbing?

On the one hand, you have him hitting and absolutely slaughtering Surfer.

Very well, you say, Surfer is obviously jobbing in his speed.

Why? Because Thanos is slow. Surfer should dance around him.

Why? Because Thanos has been hit by Gamora.

Yet you give Surfer the benefit of the doubt speed wise (he was DEF jobbing/PIS/etc) but not Thanos.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How do you know he was not jobbing?

On the one hand, you have him hitting and absolutely slaughtering Surfer.

Very well, you say, Surfer is obviously jobbing in his speed.

Why? Because Thanos is slow. Surfer should dance around him.

Why? Because Thanos has been hit by Gamora.

Yet you give Surfer the benefit of the doubt speed wise (he was DEF jobbing/PIS/etc) but not Thanos.


Also, if spidey danced around him, and got within arms reach, he would grab him effortlessly, and crush spidey like the bug he is.



FLash usually runs like hell from darkseid, because flash knows he could do some damage, but he'd die no matter what he tried if he fought.

Darkseid and thanos are such tanks, they don't need to be mobile, take the fight to them or run basically.

The top 5 fail to stop him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How do you know he was not jobbing?

On the one hand, you have him hitting and absolutely slaughtering Surfer.

Very well, you say, Surfer is obviously jobbing in his speed.

Why? Because Thanos is slow. Surfer should dance around him.

Why? Because Thanos has been hit by Gamora.

Yet you give Surfer the benefit of the doubt speed wise (he was DEF jobbing/PIS/etc) but not Thanos.

surfer has a bazillion speed feats and travel Ftl on a daily basis.
Thanos doesn't move nowhere those speeds outside his confrontations with Surfer. Thus Surfer was jobbing and Thanos wasn't.

Originally posted by Epicurus
The top 5 fail to stop him. both Thor and Surfer can stop him with relative ease

Originally posted by h1a8
surfer has a bazillion speed feats and travel Ftl on a daily basis.
Thanos doesn't move nowhere those speeds outside his confrontations with Surfer. Thus Surfer was jobbing and Thanos wasn't.

Or his fight speed is kicked up a notch in confrontations - this isn't a race, it's a fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
both Thor and Surfer can stop him with relative ease
Both comic knowledge and reason/logic can stop you with relative ease.

Originally posted by h1a8
surfer has a bazillion speed feats and travel Ftl on a daily basis.
Thanos doesn't move nowhere those speeds outside his confrontations with Surfer. Thus Surfer was jobbing and Thanos wasn't. yet Surfer has been hit in combat a bazillion amount of times.

Facts/showings>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your opinion

Originally posted by Galan007
Thanos wrecks. If you're looking for a team consisting of 5 heralds to defeat Thanos, your best bet is to have someone on the team who is capable of power-stacking.

Example: Black Alice+Constantine+Doctor Fate+Shazam+Zatanna. Alice absorbs the cumulative power of the magic users at the onset of the battle and proceeds to fight Thanos. Not saying she'd win, but she would certainly stand a better chance at beating him than 5 individual heralds, imho. /shrug

Correct me if I'm wrong (I could be) but couldn't Alice only copy/absorb the powers of one mystic at a time??

Originally posted by Insane Titan
yet Surfer has been hit in combat a bazillion amount of times.

Facts/showings>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your opinion he hasn't been hit no where close to that. surfer has dodged, blocked, and evaded more attacks than you know. Even then, this is a forum fight where we use Full Capacity. That means Surfer will have both his speed and reflexes in this fight. He's not going to just lose his powers in mid battle in order to help out the plot.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or his fight speed is kicked up a notch in confrontations - this isn't a race, it's a fight. Surfer has zipped around attackers in mid battle. Or destroyed an armada of space vessels by zipping around and blasting, without getting touched.

Surfer is a blaster. He zips around at high speeds and blasts. Thanos just sits there and blasts or punches.

Originally posted by Galan007
Never have I witnessed such fail.

Surely you've seen HI post before my friend...

BTW how are you mane?

Originally posted by h1a8
he hasn't been hit no where close to that. surfer has dodged, blocked, and evaded more attacks than you know. Even then, this is a forum fight where we use Full Capacity. That means Surfer will have both his speed and reflexes in this fight. He's not going to just lose his powers in mid battle in order to help out the plot. he doesn't blitz people at all, he's get hit by the likes of Thor, Thanos, Ravenous, Lord Marvell and BRB and all these examples are recent.

Actually show examples of the crap your speaking for once or il report you for trolling

h1a8 I actually agree surfers speed would overwhelm Thanos. I also feel that flash can take some wins due to his speed as well don't you agree? Thanos doesn't have anything in his arsenal that can deal with beings who have the speed of Surfer and Flash.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
h1a8 I actually agree surfers speed would overwhelm Thanos. I also feel that flash can take some wins due to his speed as well don't you agree? Thanos doesn't have anything in his arsenal that can deal with beings who have the speed of Surfer and Flash. Surfer doesn't and never have used his speed that way, plus Surfers speed is redundant as he lacks the power to effect Thanos as shown on panel

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Surfer doesn't and never have used his speed that way, plus Surfers speed is redundant as he lacks the power to effect Thanos as shown on panel no he doesn't. A high end Surfer could effect Thanos with blasts, especially those planet destroying ones. You are assuming that Surfer is always operating at the same level at all times.
Also black hole blasts will kill Thanos.

Surfer has used his speed effectively in battle multiple times.

People are still questioning Thanos's durability, even after he just shrugged off an extended screaming session from Black Bolt, and acted more annoyed then hurt?

Originally posted by cdtm
People are still questioning Thanos's durability, even after he just shrugged off an extended screaming session from Black Bolt, and acted more annoyed then hurt? he's very durable against energy projection. There are many different levels of energy projection though.

Blunt force durability is something else though.

Originally posted by h1a8
he's very durable against energy projection. There are many different levels of energy projection though.

Blunt force durability is something else though.

Sonics are kinetic force, though.

Originally posted by cdtm
Sonics are kinetic force, though. bb powers are not quite sonics, as electron diffusion plays a part. The power of his scream is related to a nuclear weapon, while his whisper can rock a battleship. This isn't very impressive in terms of High herald level.

Energy blasts are kinetic as well, but we all know that getting hit with a sledge hammer is a different thing.

Originally posted by h1a8
no he doesn't. A high end Surfer could effect Thanos with blasts, especially those planet destroying ones. You are assuming that Surfer is always operating at the same level at all times.
Also black hole blasts will kill Thanos.

Surfer has used his speed effectively in battle multiple times.

h1a8 has a point. Surfer is marvels most powerful herald for a reason. He can solo imo. Surfer at his highest is potentially above Thanos. His speed will overwhelm Thanos in the long run because Thanos is too slow. h1a8 how many rounds do you think surfer can take off of Thanos? I say a solid 6/10

Originally posted by h1a8
his whisper can rock a battleship. This isn't very impressive in terms of High herald level. mmm

Originally posted by h1a8
bb powers are not quite sonics, as electron diffusion plays a part. The power of his scream is related to a nuclear weapon, while his whisper can rock a battleship. This isn't very impressive in terms of High herald level.

Energy blasts are kinetic as well, but we all know that getting hit with a sledge hammer is a different thing.



Why u tryinn to diminish BB scream?
His scream is pretty high in Marvel in the power department..
Just shows how awesome Thanos is to take that kind of power to the face in close range..

I heard his whisper and scream can do way more damage than what you just claimed..

Originally posted by dial J for Josh ]h1a8 has a point. Surfer is marvels most powerful herald for a reason. He can solo imo. Surfer at his highest is potentially above Thanos. His speed will overwhelm Thanos in the long run because Thanos is too slow. h1a8 how many rounds do you think surfer can take off of Thanos? I say a solid 6/10



lol bro what you smokin over there!!??
The Frankstien? I agree with you about Surfer being the most powerful herlard in Marvel, but he never been able to overwhelm Thanos..

Originally posted by Supermex
lol bro what you smokin over there!!??
The Frankstien? I agree with you about Surfer being the most powerful herlard in Marvel, but he never been able to overwhelm Thanos..

h1 is right. Surfer can use blast from far away and put a black hole inside the brain of Thanos to win. His power is too much.

Originally posted by h1a8
bb powers are not quite sonics, as electron diffusion plays a part. The power of his scream is related to a nuclear weapon, while his whisper can rock a battleship. This isn't very impressive in terms of High herald level.



http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3749440

Originally posted by h1a8
no he doesn't. A high end Surfer could effect Thanos with blasts, especially those planet destroying ones. You are assuming that Surfer is always operating at the same level at all times.
Also black hole blasts will kill Thanos.

Surfer has used his speed effectively in battle multiple times. we have all ready seen Surfer best concentrated blast have no effect on Thanos, Surfer even admitted it. Thanos has survived planet destroying attacks several times with ease.

You have already been proved wrong about Surfers black hole blasts and Thanos survived a black hole closing on him fully and don't say he he didn't as it says so in the comic.

Show me all the times Surfers speed has aided him in actual combat

Originally posted by Insane Titan
we have all ready seen Surfer best concentrated blast have no effect on Thanos, Surfer even admitted it. Thanos has survived planet destroying attacks several times with ease.

You have already been proved wrong about Surfers black hole blasts and Thanos survived a black hole closing on him fully and don't say he he didn't as it says so in the comic.

Show me all the times Surfers speed has aided him in actual combat

That was pis and surfer didn't want to hurt Thanos. Surfers black holes are better and more powerful. h1 brought up a good point, with surfers speed Thanos won't have time to think.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
That was pis and surfer didn't want to hurt Thanos. Surfers black holes are better and more powerful. h1 brought up a good point, with surfers speed Thanos won't have time to think. haha Surfer wanted to put Thanos down and it's not pis as it happenes every time they face each other.

Care to prove how Surfers Black holes are better and more powerful usual actual showings and facts.

Again more nonsense Surfer doesn't use or show that type of combat feat, if you think he does and has give some examples of actual combat related speed use

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
h1a8 has a point. Surfer is marvels most powerful herald for a reason. He can solo imo. Surfer at his highest is potentially above Thanos. His speed will overwhelm Thanos in the long run because Thanos is too slow. h1a8 how many rounds do you think surfer can take off of Thanos? I say a solid 6/10

Didn't know you were this big of a moron... Now I know though

I don't think dial is serious. I truly don't believe he thinks Surfer could beat Thanos.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
haha Surfer wanted to put Thanos down and it's not pis as it happenes every time they face each other.

Care to prove how Surfers Black holes are better and more powerful usual actual showings and facts.

Again more nonsense Surfer doesn't use or show that type of combat feat, if you think he does and has give some examples of actual combat related speed use

Originally posted by Supermex
lol bro what you smokin over there!!??
The Frankstien? I agree with you about Surfer being the most powerful herlard in Marvel, but he never been able to overwhelm Thanos..

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Didn't know you were this big of a moron... Now I know though

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think dial is serious. I truly don't believe he thinks Surfer could beat Thanos.

(Shhhh! You guys are blowing my cover. I'm trying to side with h1a8 to see how delusional he is and to see if he actually thinks that Surfer beats Thanos, despite history, stats and feats completely countering everything he is saying. Keep quiet why don't you...)

....cough....cough. Yeah you are all idiots, Surfer stomps. He cAn puT duh blacK hoLe in duh braIN of ThAnos so hE Kant not think. Cuz blacK hoLe will sloW down hiz reAction so surfer can fly around at lite speeed. Nothing ThAnos kan do.

Originally posted by Badabing
I probably going to temp ban Thanos again. mmm

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
(Shhhh! You guys are blowing my cover. I'm trying to side with h1a8 to see how delusional he is and to see if he actually thinks that Surfer beats Thanos, despite history, stats and feats completely countering everything he is saying. Keep quiet why don't you...)

....cough....cough. Yeah you are all idiots, Surfer stomps. He cAn puT duh blacK hoLe in duh braIN of ThAnos so hE Kant not think. Cuz blacK hoLe will sloW down hiz reAction so surfer can fly around at lite speeed. Nothing ThAnos kan do. now you are learning grasshopper. only that a black hole on Thanos person would instantly annihilate him.

surfer fighting at his best ability AS SHOWN BEFORE >>>> history of him jobbing and him having his powers turned off for the sake of the plot.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
we have all ready seen Surfer best concentrated blast have no effect on Thanos, Surfer even admitted it. Thanos has survived planet destroying attacks several times with ease.

You have already been proved wrong about Surfers black hole blasts and Thanos survived a black hole closing on him fully and don't say he he didn't as it says so in the comic.

Show me all the times Surfers speed has aided him in actual combat That wasn't Surfer using his planetary level attacks. Same as Odin not using Galaxy busting attacks on Thanos, same as Gladiator not using planet destroying attacks on a Colossus, same as Superman not using more than earth weight force on most people. I can go on and on. In other words, characters don't always operate at levels they have done so before (or after).

Thanos never touched the singularity. He was merely in the event horizon as shown. How do you explain parts of his ship surviving then?

Everytime Surfer has fought an armada of space vessels he uses speed to avoid being hit and zips around destroying the ships. Surfer zip around someone instantly while claiming to move faster than light itself. Surfer chased Bill, who was going many times the speed of light, while not losing any distance. Bill tried to shake him. Imagine changing directions going that fast? If surfer didn't have Ftl speed and Ftl reflexes then the sudden lateral change in direction would result in a huge distance gap instantly. But Surfer always stayed close no matter what.

Originally posted by h1a8
That wasn't Surfer using his planetary level attacks. Same as Odin not using Galaxy busting attacks on Thanos, same as Gladiator not using planet destroying attacks on a Colossus, same as Superman not using more than earth weight force on most people. I can go on and on. In other words, characters don't always operate at levels they have done so before (or after).

Thanos never touched the singularity. He was merely in the event horizon as shown. How do you explain parts of his ship surviving then?

Everytime Surfer has fought an armada of space vessels he uses speed to avoid being hit and zips around destroying the ships. Surfer zip around someone instantly while claiming to move faster than light itself. Surfer chased Bill, who was going many times the speed of light, while not losing any distance. Bill tried to shake him. Imagine changing directions going that fast? If surfer didn't have Ftl speed and Ftl reflexes then the sudden lateral change in direction would result in a huge distance gap instantly. But Surfer always stayed close no matter what. surfer stated it was all his might and can concentrate his blasts, plus Thanos tanks planetary attack regular. You can use what you want Surfers own words and actions mean more than your opinion.

Who cares why bits of the ship survived the writers don't care about science laws . It's stated the black hole closed on him after 30 seconds .

Avoiding space ships means shit , one on one surfer gets tagged regularly which is fact

Originally posted by Insane Titan
surfer stated it was all his might and can concentrate his blasts, plus Thanos tanks planetary attack regular. You can use what you want Surfers own words and actions mean more than your opinion.

Who cares why bits of the ship survived the writers don't care about science laws . It's stated the black hole closed on him after 30 seconds .

Avoiding space ships means shit , one on one surfer gets tagged regularly which is fact

What planetary blasts or attack did Thanos tank?

Yet I have evidence that Thanos never touched the singularity. Do you have evidence that he did?

Surfer gets tagged because of the plot. Remember contradictions can't exist. Either he is fast enough to avoid being hit or he isn't. I already gave an example of him moving very fast in a one on one scenario. Under full capacity, he won't suddenly lose his powers of reflexes and speed.

Bottomline: This isn't a comic. We don't imagine how these fights would occur in a comic (where Surfer might fight like he doesn't even have superspeed or reflexes in his powerset). Why? Because plot dictates comics, not powerset, not character. In a comic, I can have Spidey beat the shit out of Thor. Plot sells comics. That's why we have forum rules. We have to weed out dumb illogical shit that's created for the sake of the plot. Surfer has used speed and reflexes in battle multiple times. Thus, as shown before, he will do so.

Surfer is too powerful tbh. The only way to create adversity for him is to neuter him. Think about it?

...lol dude Thanos tanked a point blank power cosmic blast from Galactus. And Galactus himself was impressed. He has plenty other ridiculous durability feats as well. So just stop.

Originally posted by h1a8
What planetary blasts or attack did Thanos tank? http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18778242_Thanos_2003-2004_012-011.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18778243_Thanos_2003-2004_012-012.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18778244_Thanos_2003-2004_012-013.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18778246_Thanos_2003-2004_012-014.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18778247_Thanos_2003-2004_012-015.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18778252_Thanos_2003-2004_012-016.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18778253_Thanos_2003-2004_012-017.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18778254_Thanos_2003-2004_012-018.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18778258_Thanos_2003-2004_012-019.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/18778261_Thanos_2003-2004_012-020.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
What planetary blasts or attack did Thanos tank?

Yet I have evidence that Thanos never touched the singularity. Do you have evidence that he did?

Surfer gets tagged because of the plot. Remember contradictions can't exist. Either he is fast enough to avoid being hit or he isn't. I already gave an example of him moving very fast in a one on one scenario. Under full capacity, he won't suddenly lose his powers of reflexes and speed.

Bottomline: This isn't a comic. We don't imagine how these fights would occur in a comic (where Surfer might fight like he doesn't even have superspeed or reflexes in his powerset). Why? Because plot dictates comics, not powerset, not character. In a comic, I can have Spidey beat the shit out of Thor. Plot sells comics. That's why we have forum rules. We have to weed out dumb illogical shit that's created for the sake of the plot. Surfer has used speed and reflexes in battle multiple times. Thus, as shown before, he will do so.

Surfer is too powerful tbh. The only way to create adversity for him is to neuter him. Think about it? the scan Galan just posted or magus planet base exploding and same with Tyrants.

I have the comic saying the black hole closed on him it even shows he wasn't there among the debris, even Adam warlock relays the events , you have nothing but real works physics to use which mean nothing as the writer didn't give a crap about that.

Under full capacity Thanos tags Surfer , but we still use average showings son you need to read the rules .

Think about this Thanosi is more poweful than Surfer as shown many a time

Originally posted by Galan007
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Lol then there's that to.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
the scan Galan just posted or magus planet base exploding and same with Tyrants.

I have the comic saying the black hole closed on him it even shows he wasn't there among the debris, even Adam warlock relays the events , you have nothing but real works physics to use which mean nothing as the writer didn't give a crap about that.

Under full capacity Thanos tags Surfer , but we still use average showings son you need to read the rules .

Think about this Thanosi is more poweful than Surfer as shown many a time

A black hole has two parts. A singularity (the size of an atom) and it's event horizon (can be a few km to thousands of km). Thanos ship got destroyed trying to escape (it wasn't even in the even horizon). The black hole collapsed on itself means that it died out and ceast to exist along with anything that was in the event horizon. But matter can't just disappear from anywhere. It has to go somewhere or be converted to some other form. So the black hole sent everything to another dimension. Thanos was outside and therefore survived along with parts of his ship.

How can Thanos tag Surfer when he is no where near the speed of light? You can't even prove he can run faster than 100mph. What are his speed feats? Thanos is not even bullet speed. Captain America, Spidey, IF, Gamora etc are faster than him. The only thing fast about Thanos is his hand speed and possibly his reflexes. His movement speed is nil as well as his mobility.


Originally posted by Galan007
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That's not quite a planetary level attack I was talking about. That's a planetary explosion. I'm referring to an attack that can cause a planet's destruction with a direct hit. Not the after effect of a planet blowing up. The former is astronomically more powerful. But I'm familiar with that feat. It was very impressive, but not as impressive as getting with with an attack that can make a planet do what we saw. For example, Surfer blowing up a planet while Thanos is on it is astronomically weaker than Surfer hitting Thanos directly with the blast that directly blow up the planet.

More nonsense and lowballing you simply ignore what is shown as proof in the comic to suit you're own trolling argument

h1a8 just stop. Your spewing out nonsense at this point. Surfer gets spite stomped.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
More nonsense and lowballing you simply ignore what is shown as proof in the comic to suit you're own trolling argument

What am I lowballing? It was impressive. But some heralds have survived supernova and big bang shit.
Again, getting hit with something that can destroy planets directly>>>>>>>surviving planet explosions.

Anyway. I already agree that Surfer isn't going to do much to Thanos with his blasts in this fight. But his black hole blast will. Doesn't matter how long it takes, Surfer will eventually end Thanos this way. That's if Thor doesn't rock him silly first.
Thanos can't defend every attack and attack everyone in the process. He will get hit multiple times. These characters have shields and can attack Thanos from a distance.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
h1a8 just stop. Your spewing out nonsense at this point. Surfer gets spite stomped. Nonsense? How does Thanos get around Surfer's speed and mobility in a forum fight. This isn't a comic where Surfer loses his powers for the sake of the plot.
How does Thanos get around black holes?
How does Thanos get around being attacked by multiple people from different angles while ranged?
How does Thanos actually hit many of these people who have shields, evasive maneuvers, phasing abilities, etc?

Thanos is one tough bastard.

A. Based on comics he will connect punches/EP thrown at anyone on this team.
B. Based on comics he can tank/no sell attacks from anyone on this team.
C. Based on being in character, won't be any black hole anything from Surfer.
D. Based on comics this team will need a plot device to win.
E. Based on comics he can kill beings in this tier.

Methinks Thanos wins.

Originally posted by h1a8
Nonsense? How does Thanos get around Surfer's speed and mobility in a forum fight. This isn't a comic where Surfer loses his powers for the sake of the plot.
How does Thanos get around black holes?
How does Thanos get around being attacked by multiple people from different angles while ranged?
How does Thanos actually hit many of these people who have shields, evasive maneuvers, phasing abilities, etc?

The same way how Hulk has defeated beings with insane speed. Except Thanos is way more versatile.

Thanos has the defensive mechanisms to counter any of surfers long ranged attacks.... But that won't be necessary, he will no sell anything surfer throws at him without them.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
The same way how Hulk has defeated beings with insane speed. Except Thanos is way more versatile. So because of plot and not because he is really fast.

He won't be no selling black holes, or his board in his ass. Yes but Thanos can't attack with his defenses up. The moment he goes for an attack he would get bombarded with attacks.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Thanos is one tough bastard.

A. Based on comics he will connect punches/EP thrown at anyone on this team.
B. Based on comics he can tank/no sell attacks from anyone on this team.
C. Based on being in character, won't be any black hole anything from Surfer.
D. Based on comics this team will need a plot device to win.
E. Based on comics he can kill beings in this tier.

Methinks Thanos wins.

A. Based on plot you mean. This is not comics here.
B. Nope! The only thing he's tanking is energy blasts. Mjolnir hits and Surfer's board are going to do some damage. Thor has already rocked Thanos multiple times with Mjolnir.
C. Of course there will be. Probably not from the start but eventually. Also Full Capacity allows a person to fight smart as they done so before. Surfer knows that Thanos is highly resistant against blasts. He will think of a way to beat him. He has to eventually think of the black hole (probably even before the bell since planning before the bell is allowed).
D. Good thing this isn't comics but a forum fight.
E. Agreed. But able to do something and doing it are two different things.

Originally posted by h1a8
So because of plot and not because he is really fast.

He won't be no selling black holes, or his board in his ass. Yes but Thanos can't attack with his defenses up. The moment he goes for an attack he would get bombarded with attacks.

So you are saying in no chance hulk should ever win any fights against beings who are faster right?

Also you are jet set on this black hole argument, and it is making you look desperate. You know quite a few characters have escaped the pull of a black hole right?

Also you know you are basically saying that Stardust would stomp Thanos also right?

Thanos also took a huge blast from Omega. Omega was supposed to be 2X Galactus.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
So you are saying in no chance hulk should ever win any fights against beings who are faster right?

Also you are jet set on this black hole argument, and it is making you look desperate. You know quite a few characters have escaped the pull of a black hole right?

Also you know you are basically saying that Stardust would stomp Thanos also right? not against beings who are astronomically faster.
But hulk can win with a thunderclap. But Hulk has superhuman speed. Just not on a large level.

I'll talking about the singularity, not the event horizon. Geez do you read my posts? I been saying this for months now. Thanos and other heralds can survive the event horizon but certainly not touching the singularity. There is infinite force at the singularity.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Thanos also took a huge blast from Omega. Omega was supposed to be 2X Galactus. he was damaged. He used shields to help. But again, I'm not arguing his energy projection durability (he can tank anyone's energy here) but blunt force and physical force durability.

Originally posted by h1a8
not against beings who are astronomically faster.
But hulk can win with a thunderclap. But Hulk has superhuman speed. Just not on a large level.

I'll talking about the singularity, not the event horizon. Geez do you read my posts? I been saying this for months now. Thanos and other heralds can survive the event horizon but certainly not touching the singularity. There is infinite force at the singularity.

Aw ok. But you still think that Stardust stomps Thanos also right?

Originally posted by h1a8
A. Based on plot you mean. This is not comics here.
B. Nope! The only thing he's tanking is energy blasts. Mjolnir hits and Surfer's board are going to do some damage. Thor has already rocked Thanos multiple times with Mjolnir.
C. Of course there will be. Probably not from the start but eventually. Also Full Capacity allows a person to fight smart as they done so before. Surfer knows that Thanos is highly resistant against blasts. He will think of a way to beat him. He has to eventually think of the black hole (probably even before the bell since planning before the bell is allowed).
D. Good thing this isn't comics but a forum fight.
E. Agreed. But able to do something and doing it are two different things.

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Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Aw ok. But you still think that Stardust stomps Thanos also right? can stardust put a singularity on Thanos or in him? If so the he can with that tactic. Otherwise, noped

Originally posted by h1a8
can stardust put a singularity on Thanos or in him? If so the he can with that tactic. Otherwise, noped

Great! So Stardust now confirmed to be superior to Thanos. You've convinced me. Since Surfer and Stardust are above Thanos we should put them up against Odin for a more even match. Because clearly they have to be above trans. But they would probably stomp Odin since he normally doesn't fight at high speeds. Odin will get overwhelmed and wouldn't see which direction they are coming from.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Great! So Stardust now confirmed to be superior to Thanos. You've convinced me. Since Surfer and Stardust are above Thanos we should put them up against Odin for a more even match. Because clearly they have to be above trans. But they would probably stomp Odin since he normally doesn't fight at high speeds. Odin will get overwhelmed and wouldn't see which direction they are coming from. beating someone and being above them are two different things. Thanos durability is beyond theirs. His normal blast output is beyond theirs. His strength is beyond theirs. His smarts is beyond theirs.

All Surfer got on him is speed, intangibility, and the black hole power.

speed and black hole are sufficient though.
In a comic, Thanos would beat Surfer or stardust because either would forget that they have Ftl and reflexes.

P.s. Stop conforming to popular opinion when it goes against logic. logic should be your God, nothing else.