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Who wins?

I'll take a guy who can punch through time AND stop the forward momentum of half a galaxy via TK, over a guy who pushed an alternate Ganthet and Mogo into the sun.

Injustice Superman is Abstract level, he effortlessly destroy a top tier skyfather in seconds.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Injustice Superman is Abstract level, he effortlessly destroy a top tier skyfather in seconds. No

I wouldn't be too quick to laugh 8 swords.

Ganthet almost one shot killed superman before he got the yellow ring. Ganthet tried again after superman obtained the yellow ring but he utterly failed. Theoretically it should have taken him 2 shots, one to get past the ring and the other to overcome superman. But that attack (he meant to kill superman here) was totally useless and did nothing to superman.


I think the reason superman had gone way out of Ganthet's leagues is because when he obtained the yellow ring, it didn't just stack his power with the rings but he was also powered by the fear of a planet full of beings. Everyone on earth feared him already and the yellow ring used that fear to give him an even bigger power boost. A big enough boost that made trans and sky father level beings minor annoyances to him.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I wouldn't be too quick to laugh 8 swords.

Ganthet almost one shot killed superman before he got the yellow ring. Ganthet tried again after superman obtained the yellow ring but he utterly failed. Theoretically it should have taken him 2 shots, one to get past the ring and the other to overcome superman. But that attack (he meant to kill superman here) was totally useless and did nothing to superman.


I think the reason superman had gone way out of Ganthet's leagues is because when he obtained the yellow ring, it didn't just stack his power with the rings but he was also powered by the fear of a planet full of beings. Everyone on earth feared him already and the yellow ring used that fear to give him an even bigger power boost. A big enough boost that made trans and sky father level beings minor annoyances to him.

When you think about it. Once he showed that he is beyond Ganthet, Ganthet himself was afraid, so a Skyfathers fear fueled Superman even more.

Lol at skyfather.

Board Walker, I applaud the joke.

But to be honest, it is absolutely legit to consider Injustice Superman a mid Herald or even high Herald. The performance of Ganthet against a mid or high herald would put him beyond the Trans tier, it was a mere gesture, nothing a Trans would be able to do as easily. That means Ganthet even from the Injustice Universe had to be a at the very very least a high Trans, mid Skyfather would be more likely. It was more casual than this for example
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/5512/248312-ss_super.jpg

So if we assume that Ganthet is low Skyfather or mid, Injustice Superman with this amp, who performed casually a planetary feat next to pawning Ganthet and Mogo, should be Mid to skyfather.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
But to be honest, it is absolutely legit to consider Injustice Superman a mid Herald or even high Herald. The performance of Ganthet against a mid or high herald would put him beyond the Trans tier, it was a mere gesture, nothing a Trans would be able to do as easily. That means Ganthet even from the Injustice Universe had to be a at the very very least a high Trans, mid Skyfather would be more likely. It was more casual than this for example
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/5512/248312-ss_super.jpg

So if we assume that Ganthet is low Skyfather or mid, Injustice Superman with this amp, who performed casually a planetary feat next to pawning Ganthet and Mogo, should be Mid to skyfather.

Mogo is bigger than the earth, they also spoke of the size of his will. The stronger your will the more powerful you are as a green lantern. Mogo was a monster and he got taken out easily. I don't think it was the sun that did him in, i think he got knocked out when superman slammed ganthet into him. Once's he's knocked out, he's just a lifeless planet and a lifeless planet will melt in the sun.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Mogo is bigger than the earth, they also spoke of the size of his will. The stronger your will the more powerful you are as a green lantern. Mogo was a monster and he got taken out easily. I don't think it was the sun that did him in, i think he got knocked out when superman slammed ganthet into him. Once's he's knocked out, he's just a lifeless planet and a lifeless planet will melt in the sun.

The crater from the impact was huge. I would rate this mogo, the way he killed those SC Lanterns, as a Trans himself if not low Skyfather.

Hold up.

Mogo/Ganthet are trans/skyfather because, what, they destroyed multiple SC members?

What level are these SC members? Everyone is assuming they're heralds, but:

Superman was amped off a billion beings' fear. IOW, the more people fear you, the stronger you are.

These are no name SC guys. In the Injustice universe, if the more people fear you, the stronger you are, the converse should also be true. No name fodder SC guys should be weaksauce.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hold up.

Mogo/Ganthet are trans/skyfather because, what, they destroyed multiple SC members?

What level are these SC members? Everyone is assuming they're heralds, but:

Superman was amped off a billion beings' fear. IOW, the more people fear you, the stronger you are.

These are no name SC guys. In the Injustice universe, if the more people fear you, the stronger you are, the converse should also be true. No name fodder SC guys should be weaksauce.

No because how Ganthet beat Superman and Billy. Who should be considered Heralds, mid to high. Mogo would have killed Sinestro and Hal if Supes had not saved them. Sinestro was able to block Ganthets casuall blast though that killed other SC members.

So yes, SC Superman amped by billions being high skyfather is not unlikely. The Gods from earth get their powers from worshippers too .

LOL no way in hell was he high end skyafather

For a point of reference: two legit 'high-end' Skyfathers battling shattered galaxies, reignited dying suns, and tore at the very fabric of the multiverse.

...But I suppose SC Supes could push the multiverse into the sun, so I'll just STFU.

Originally posted by Galan007
For a point of reference: two legit 'high-end' Skyfathers battling shattered galaxies, reignited dying suns, and tore at the very fabric of the multiverse.

...But I suppose SC Supes could push the multiverse into the sun, so I'll just STFU. Yup go home and be a family man we dont need truth and reconciliation

I know that this is statement, not feat.
But, does Superman 1M have 5th Dimensional Imp's power?
The ancestor of Superman 1M is 5th Dimensional Queen.

Superman has always been a high herald, Ganthet effortlessly defeated him. This puts Ganthet in the high trans to Skyfather league, of which is then used for the next reference. Superman with a ring then effortlessly killed Ganthet which puts superman far above high trans, and or skyfather.

Mogo is all likelyhood a high trans, and or low skyfather due to his effortless destroying of billions mid-high heralds.

Out of curiosity, this Galaxy destryoing sunigniting feat, how often did this happen or was it the highest of Odins feat and the norm we take for a Skyfather?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Out of curiosity, this Galaxy destryoing sunigniting feat, how often did this happen or was it the highest of Odins feat and the norm we take for a Skyfather?

happened only once, about 40 years ago.

Originally posted by Board Walker
happened only once, about 40 years ago.

So it would be just fair to take Supermans infinity feat as a norm for his strength too, he did it with the book and partially with spectre. ^^

Superman 1 Million 10/10

Superman one million

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Out of curiosity, this Galaxy destryoing sunigniting feat, how often did this happen or was it the highest of Odins feat and the norm we take for a Skyfather?

NOWHERE near the norm. Odin did this once, and his next highest end feats are nowhere as close. Its a joke how overated Sky Fathers are when they get easily pawned by a few Celestial, even though Sky Fathers like Odin had centuries of prep, and used with entire might of both themselves and of Asgard combine in the Destroyer. Yet all this power is slagged by a handful of Celestials.

Odin at his best could not even put a dent into a hungry Galactus. Guys like Thor, Dr. Strange, and even Thanos done more to Galactus than Odin ever did.

Odin could not even bust Thanos, a trans tier with the help of Silver Surfer added in too!

He is overrated. Most Sky Fathers are. I would rate them Solar System Busters at best. I rate Mephisto in his Realm higher than Odin. At least Mephisto almost beaten Galactus till Plot Device ensued.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
So it would be just fair to take Supermans infinity feat as a norm for his strength too, he did it with the book and partially with spectre. ^^

Ultraman soloed the same book, Wonder Woman helped lift up Spectre, and Captain Marvel helped Superman with the book as well. All of them are equals with Infinity strength except Ultraman is stronger.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
NOWHERE near the norm. Odin did this once, and his next highest end feats are nowhere as close. Its a joke how overated Sky Fathers are when they get easily pawned by a few Celestial, even though Sky Fathers like Odin had centuries of prep, and used with entire might of both themselves and of Asgard combine in the Destroyer. Yet all this power is slagged by a handful of Celestials.

Odin at his best could not even put a dent into a hungry Galactus. Guys like Thor, Dr. Strange, and even Thanos done more to Galactus than Odin ever did.

Odin could not even bust Thanos, a trans tier with the help of Silver Surfer added in too!

He is overrated. Most Sky Fathers are. I would rate them Solar System Busters at best. I rate Mephisto in his Realm higher than Odin. At least Mephisto almost beaten Galactus till Plot Device ensued.

Getting owned by a Celestial doesn't demean a Skyfather of any caliber in my opinion.

It's like Batroc the Leaper walking up to Thanos and challenging him to a no holds barred slugfest. It's obvious what the result will be.

So I don't think Skyfathers are being overrated. The Celestials are just so far above characters like Odin that if they want with a wave of there hand they can shut down the paths to his dimension and then kill him if they please.

Originally posted by carver9
Ultraman soloed the same book, Wonder Woman helped lift up Spectre, and Captain Marvel helped Superman with the book as well. All of them are equals with Infinity strength except Ultraman is stronger.



all of those you named are stronger than hulk, glad we agree ^^

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Getting owned by a Celestial doesn't demean a Skyfather of any caliber in my opinion.

It's like Batroc the Leaper walking up to Thanos and challenging him to a no holds barred slugfest. It's obvious what the result will be.

So I don't think Skyfathers are being overrated. The Celestials are just so far above characters like Odin that if they want with a wave of there hand they can shut down the paths to his dimension and then kill him if they please.

only problem is beings like X-Man, Franklin Richards, and a few more are stated as equals to a single Celestial. Hardly Sky Father range they are. A single Celestial (no name average Celestial) is nowhere near the same as some of the Name ones that have insane feats of varying levels too.

Also a barely fed Galactus (eaten like 4 planets only, just four) matched 4 Celestials pretty handily till they combined into a super Celestial.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
only problem is beings like X-Man, Franklin Richards, and a few more are stated as equals to a single Celestial. Hardly Sky Father range they are. A single Celestial (no name average Celestial) is nowhere near the same as some of the Name ones that have insane feats of varying levels too.

Also a barely fed Galactus (eaten like 4 planets only, just four) matched 4 Celestials pretty handily till they combined into a super Celestial.

If Franklin or Nate are stated as being equal to a Celestial, they are both incredibly powerful beings as shown in previous feats. So it's acceptable to think that they may be able to defeat them.

I don't recall Nate fighting one so I will say we already know with Franklin he can do so.

Franklin at max is extremely powerful. He can at his max potential take on celestials and raise Galactus as a herald (with the help of his younger self I think) and he survives till the end of days with Galactus. On panel feats prove Franklin is far above Odin so I don't see a problem with it.

Franklins eons ahead of Skyfather.

The low-balling of Celestials is funny. Continue.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
all of those you named are stronger than hulk, glad we agree ^^

Hulk has infinity fts as well.

Originally posted by Galan007
The low-balling of Celestials is funny. Continue.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
If Franklin or Nate are stated as being equal to a Celestial, they are both incredibly powerful beings as shown in previous feats. So it's acceptable to think that they may be able to defeat them.

I don't recall Nate fighting one so I will say we already know with Franklin he can do so.

Franklin at max is extremely powerful. He can at his max potential take on celestials and raise Galactus as a herald (with the help of his younger self I think) and he survives till the end of days with Galactus. On panel feats prove Franklin is far above Odin so I don't see a problem with it.

Franklins eons ahead of Skyfather.


The only reason Franklin "restored" Galactus was because he had a lengthy amount of time of harnessing energy for that moment to do so. He as a child was shown hoarding energy which adult Franklin then Had child Franklin give to Galactus. Not as impressive with prep in involved in the context.

I'm not saying Celestials cannot be uber, the name ones are. However show me any no name celestial with power equal to a hungry Galactus at all. Then I will concede my views.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
The only reason Franklin "restored" Galactus was because he had a lengthy amount of time of harnessing energy for that moment to do so. He as a child was shown hoarding energy which adult Franklin then Had child Franklin give to Galactus. Not as impressive with prep in involved in the context.

I'm not saying Celestials cannot be uber, the name ones are. However show me any no name celestial with power equal to a hungry Galactus at all. Then I will concede my views.

Show me what makes you think that Franklin and Nate when not at full power are hardly Skyfather level.

A few no-name Celestials were shown creating the marvel multiverse:
http://i.imgur.com/As7qOBR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4BBRsOn.jpg
Perhaps that helps explain why Kubik(a universal reality warper) was scared shitless of one.


Anywho, concession accepted.

SM 1Million wins 8/10

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk has infinity fts as well.



Only in your dreams or your world

IF Superman 1M has 5th dimensional Imp's power, Superman 1M stomps.

When the Superman of the 67th century married the Imp Queen, 10 new sensory powers entered the Superman bloodline. While these abilities obviously made Superman 1M more powerful, they certainly didn't put him on par with an actual Imp.

He still wins, though.