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King Shark easily.

Really? King Shark? Have you seen what Kingpin is up to these days? Punking Doom, Hulk, and others. He's like CL100 or something. A few years ago, I would have said Shark stomps but now?

I dont read any of that new bullshit.

Golgo will counter with King Shark beating Batman in h2h, being faster than Flash and better at swimming than Aquaman.

Shark is a jobber nobody, Fisk is an A-list villain that makes Darkseid look like a pussy.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
I dont read any of that new bullshit.

That's the thing, Kingpin being this big badass is nothing new - Fisk was always in a tier of his own, doing whatever he wanted.

Read up on characters before commenting, junior member

Otherwise you'll risk GDF members asking for your asl again...

Yeah, a good description of him was that he was the Thanos of street tiers.....

King Shark starts working for Kingpin.

Spite thread

Originally posted by h1a8
Spite thread

Explain

KS also has some upgrades in his healing and durability. The second to the last Suicide Squad series.

Originally posted by tkitna
Explain Kingpin combo to KOs him.

Didn't Fixit punk Kingpin? KS was powerful enough to harm Superman under water and go toe to toe with OMAC for a bit. Same OMAC who was overpowering DCnU Superman.

Originally posted by tkitna
Explain

Far more durable than KP. Can easily resist rifle fire, tank blows from Superboy and Aquaman. Kp is not bulletproof. Kp is weaker than Superboy and Aquaman. So KS would tank his blows far easier.

Has instant regeneration. If you do any significant damage then he would just regenerate on the spot. Kp doesn't have regeneration.

He can bite through solid steel like it's tissue paper. Kp is less durable than solid steel.

He is strong enough to give Aquaman a good fight.

He's a few levels above KP.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Didn't Fixit punk Kingpin? KS was powerful enough to harm Superman under water and go toe to toe with OMAC for a bit. Same OMAC who was overpowering DCnU Superman.

Was the other way around, KP punked Fixit. Same Fixit who destroyed an asteroid 2x the size of Earth

And stalemating Superman is a meta tier.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Was the other way around, KP punked Fixit. Same Fixit who destroyed an asteroid 2x the size of Earth

And stalemating Superman is a meta tier.

In which Universe?

https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/104hj4y/joe_fixit_vs_kingpin_joe_fixit_1/

Fisk once he got serious:

https://i.ibb.co/44Rfbyn/RCO021-1680803202-1.jpg

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Didn't Fixit punk Kingpin? KS was powerful enough to harm Superman under water and go toe to toe with OMAC for a bit. Same OMAC who was overpowering DCnU Superman.

Cute.

KS gets eaten whole in seconds, you've convinced me

Originally posted by Thinkerer
In which Universe? All of them

That's why he's The Kingpin.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
In which Universe?

https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/104hj4y/joe_fixit_vs_kingpin_joe_fixit_1/

616. Also, Carver's nightmares.

Originally posted by h1a8
Far more durable than KP. Can easily resist rifle fire, tank blows from Superboy and Aquaman. Kp is not bulletproof. Kp is weaker than Superboy and Aquaman. So KS would tank his blows far easier.

Has instant regeneration. If you do any significant damage then he would just regenerate on the spot. Kp doesn't have regeneration.

He can bite through solid steel like it's tissue paper. Kp is less durable than solid steel.

He is strong enough to give Aquaman a good fight.

He's a few levels above KP.

In my defense, I was not paying attention to the thread and thought it was Tiger Shark for some reason. My bad.

In Hulk's defense, Kingpin only got cocky once Rhino took the brunt of Hulk's attack.

Kingpins pink powder... The misinformation on KMC.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
616. Also, Carver's nightmares. lol

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Kingpins pink powder... The misinformation on KMC.

Originally posted by Smurph

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fisk once he got serious:

https://i.ibb.co/44Rfbyn/RCO021-1680803202-1.jpg

Fixit is street level at best, lol

You wish

fixit actually had sex with women in that form, wonder how his dick didn't tear through the poor girls organs

Maybe that's the only part of his body that stays the same size as Puny Banner's?

Fisk sneaking Hulk and punching him isn't a great ft, but his punches knocking Hulk over IS the ft. That's beastly.

on cue

https://64.media.tumblr.com/0e898da7a6123e94c890dd1b147c4b7e/tumblr_n2i13gz4TS1r70ozfo3_500.gif

That means Hulk has human level reflexes. Knew it

Imagine someone one-shots your Class 100 bodyguard right in front of you, so you react by punching him in the face.

That's some real stealth skill.

Wolverine, Batman, even Puck himself could learn from Fisk's ninja grandmaster skills right here.

Originally posted by carver9
Fisk sneaking Hulk and punching him isn't a great ft, but his punches knocking Hulk over IS the ft. That's beastly.
We saw Hulk manhandle him before and humiliate him by dumping a drink in his face. Kingpin only got cocky once Rhino engaged Hulk. Then later, Fisk ran with his tail between his legs.

Side note, some good showings for Electro and Hydro man here.

Originally posted by zopzop
We saw Hulk manhandle him before and humiliate him by dumping a drink in his face. Kingpin only got cocky once Rhino engaged Hulk. Then later, Fisk ran with his tail between his legs.

Side note, some good showings for Electro and Hydro man here.

He did so twice... Fisk re-trained himself and got his revenge for that

Rhino was a complete non-factor, ffs - imagine your highly athletic bear daddy protecting your booty and getting one-shotted --- a fair maiden such as yourself won't get any licks in in such situation, your knuckles would break like glass.

Count Nefaria saved Hulk from being pounded into a puddle of blood, that's a fact.

Speaking of Rhino, it's a good time to remember Fisk no-sold two charges from Rhino that killed his henchmen.

Ben Reilly as the New Jackal arc

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He did so twice... Fisk re-trained himself and got his revenge for that

Rhino was a complete non-factor, ffs - imagine your highly athletic bear daddy protecting your booty and getting one-shotted --- a fair maiden such as yourself won't get any licks in in such situation, your knuckles would break like glass.

Count Nefaria saved Hulk from being pounded into a puddle of blood, that's a fact.
Listen, you don't need to sell Fisk to me. IRL he'd be a dream daddy But he was lucky Rhino was there to save his @$$.

From Nefaria's bullets - sure...

From Hulk? Hell, no. It was the other way round, Fisk saved Rhino from Hulk.

Not that those bullets posed much of a threat, mind you:

https://i.ibb.co/S5jcq83/RCO008-1467820163.jpg https://i.ibb.co/bH6f5cK/RCO009-1467820163.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That means Hulk has human level reflexes. Knew it Kingpin has Flash Level speed.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Kingpin has Flash Level speed.

So as fast as a talking gorilla and a failed children's magician ?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So as fast as a talking gorilla and a failed children's magician ?

Yes. But not as fast as Doomsday. Nobody closes the car doors as fast as he does, not even women who have no respect for their daddies' cars.

Doomsday would get the Fixit treatment.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Doomsday would get the Dr. Doom treatment.

Fixed that for you, lover http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon12.gif

Kingpin.

Originally posted by Glorificus
Kingpin will get his head bitten off
Glad you realize this is spite where King Shark has all the advantages
1. Durability to withstand rifle bullets, strikes from Aquaman and above
2. Insane healing factor
3. Teeth that can bite through solid steel like tissue paper
4. Class 100 strength that can match Superboy, Aquaman, etc

What's Kingpin greatest feat? Knocking a 900lb Grey Hulk down with a sucker punch (when he couldn't budge him when Fixit was ready for it). That feat is enough to beat King Shark.

Originally posted by h1a8

4. Class 100 strength What?

You dare question h1 math?!

I'm also curious about this "insane healing factor"

Originally posted by Smurph
What? By scaling. Aquaman, WW, and Superboy are clearly WELL above 100 tons strength. He is less skilled than AM and WW but gives them serious problems.

Thanos years ago didn't have ANY lifting feats. But no one had a problem making him class 100 based off his history and fights.

Same thing. Even if King Shark is a fraction of WWs strength then he's still class 100.

Kingpin is class 5 on average and maybe class 10-15 at his best?

You shouldn't participate in debates if you don't know basic information about the characters. King Shark has a healing factor. That's basic comic knowledge.

Finally someone puts Smurph in his place. Darksaint, you're next.

Originally posted by h1a8
You shouldn't participate in debates if you don't know basic information about the characters. lol

one month ago in the Colossus vs Rage thread: Originally posted by h1a8
Who is Rage?
What are his feats?

Originally posted by Smurph
lol

one month ago in the Colossus vs Rage thread:

That was a joke. Rage the Thorbag. I was acting dumb.
It was an obvious joke thread

Plus asking for someone's feats is not the same as insinuating a stance (or indirectly debating)

Numbers do not lie.

h1a8 is 50% numbers - the other 50% is his fun mode. You cannot win.

Originally posted by h1a8
By scaling. Aquaman, WW, and Superboy are clearly WELL above 100 tons strength. He is less skilled than AM and WW but gives them serious problems.

Thanos years ago didn't have ANY lifting feats. But no one had a problem making him class 100 based off his history and fights.

Same thing. Even if King Shark is a fraction of WWs strength then he's still class 100.

Kingpin is class 5 on average and maybe class 10-15 at his best?

You shouldn't participate in debates if you don't know basic information about the characters. King Shark has a healing factor. That's basic comic knowledge.

Yeah, his fights with OMAC and his father show he can definitely hang with Kingpin. He lost both but shows how solid his healing is. And we know how powerful OMAC is, as he went toe to toe with Superman

But then, if we apply scaling to both.....

Kingpin hangs and fights.....Captain America (I trust we don't need to lay out all the metahumans Cap has fought). Daredevil, who fights Ultron.

Before we get to scaling though...

Originally posted by h1a8
By scaling. Aquaman, WW, and Superboy are clearly WELL above 100 tons strength. He is less skilled than AM and WW but gives them serious problems.
When has King Shark given Wonder Woman "serious problems"?

By my count, on three occasions she's incapacitated him in one move. And I'm not sure that he's ever landed a hit.

So why does he scale off of her?

Originally posted by Smurph
Before we get to scaling though...

When has King Shark given Wonder Woman "serious problems"?

By my count, on three occasions she's incapacitated him in one move. And I'm not sure that he's ever landed a hit.

So why does he scale off of her?

It better not be from the fanboy description on his respect page, then inflated....

Originally posted by h1a8

2. Insane healing factor Originally posted by h1a8

You shouldn't participate in debates if you don't know basic information about the characters. King Shark has a healing factor. That's basic comic knowledge. Nearly every other hero and villain has a healing factor. Let's see some feats of what makes King Shark's "insane".

Originally posted by h1a8
That was a joke. Rage the Thorbag. I was acting dumb.
It was an obvious joke thread

Plus asking for someone's feats is not the same as insinuating a stance (or indirectly debating)

. . .

You're "acting dumb" again then, yes?

The thread itself wasn't a joke. My post in response to your query was:

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Rage

vin

Once again, you've proved you're completely clueless about everything that is being discussed on KMC - including ****ing emoticons - congratulations.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But then, if we apply scaling to both.....

Kingpin hangs and fights.....Captain America (I trust we don't need to lay out all the metahumans Cap has fought). Daredevil, who fights Ultron.

DCnU Superman >> All

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
. . .

You're "acting dumb" again then, yes?

The thread itself wasn't a joke. My post in response to your query was:



Once again, you've proved you're completely clueless about everything that is being discussed on KMC - including ****ing emoticons - congratulations. I never came back to the page after I posted. So any subsequent posts wasn't seen by me.

Originally posted by Smurph
Before we get to scaling though...

When has King Shark given Wonder Woman "serious problems"?

By my count, on three occasions she's incapacitated him in one move. And I'm not sure that he's ever landed a hit.

So why does he scale off of her?
I didn't mean her in general. But he tanked her blow without missing a beat.

So you agree on KS is more durable.
So you agree that KS is stronger.
So you agree that KS has razor sharp teeth that can rip through steel.

Why is this a fight?
Technically KS can just sit there and allow KP to punch him.
He's armor piercing bulletproof and can tank blows from WW, AM, and Superboy without any visible damage or being stunned.

He can regenerate limbs and flesh. No one can do that except Hulk, Wolverine, etc. Just because others can do it doesn't take away the fact that would make it Damn near impossible for KP to take him down.

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't mean her in general.
Ok so, when you specifically say he scales off WW:
Originally posted by h1a8
By scaling. Aquaman, WW, and Superboy are clearly WELL above 100 tons strength. He is less skilled than AM and WW but gives them serious problems.
that was... a lie?

Wait, that was an obvious joke. Maybe that was you, uh, "acting dumb".

Originally posted by Smurph
Ok so, when you specifically say he scales off WW:
that was... a lie?

Well I threw WW in the mix after I already made up my mind what to say.
If it wasn't for WWs speed and reflexes then he would pose a problem for her.
He still scales off her.
She struck him and it did seemingly nothing to him.

Originally posted by h1a8
I never came back to the page after I posted. So any subsequent posts wasn't seen by me.

That doesn't make it any better, you realize that, right?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That doesn't make it any better, you realize that, right? It does because it shows I thought it was a joke thread. I was wrong. Happy to admit I was wrong. Has nothing to do with anything anyway.

Just remember to take your own advice next time and kindly shut the **** up:

Originally posted by h1a8
You shouldn't participate in debates if you don't know basic information about the characters.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just remember to take your own advice next time and kindly shut the **** up:

I always do. Never participated in a thread (voiced a stance or made an opinion) in a thread where I knew nothing of the characters.

Asking what a character's feats are is doing just that.
It helps me become more informed.

Originally posted by h1a8

He still scales off her.
She struck him and it did seemingly nothing to him. You said King Shark is class 100 in part because of his fights with Wonder Woman. Now you're admitting that he's never compared strength with Wonder Woman, only taken a hit once that "seemingly did nothing to him". Class 100 indeed.

But, let's see a scan that shows that he can "tank blows" from Diana.

Once you get caught in a lie, the problem is that we need to start walking through your claims bit by bit.

.

Originally posted by Smurph
You said King Shark is class 100 in part because of his fights with Wonder Woman. Now you're admitting that he's never compared strength with Wonder Woman, only taken a hit once that "seemingly did nothing to him". Class 100 indeed.

But, let's see a scan that shows that he can "tank blows" from Diana.

Once you get caught in a lie, the problem is that we need to start walking through your claims bit by bit.

Trading blows with AM and Superboy pretty shows he is class 100. That is enough.

Also taking hits without damage from VERY HIGH CLASS 100 beings due to natural physical toughness implies that one is class 100 (even if he is weaker).

Now if you believe that KS has very high class durability but under class 100 strength then this is still spite as KP has no way of putting him down.

Glad you agree.

Originally posted by h1a8
Trading blows with AM and Superboy pretty shows he is class 100. That is enough.

Also taking hits without damage from VERY HIGH CLASS 100 beings due to natural physical toughness implies that one is class 100 (even if he is weaker).

Now if you believe that KS has very high class durability but under class 100 strength then this is still spite as KP has no way of putting him down.

Glad you agree. So... no scan of him tanking WW's blows?

Originally posted by Smurph
So... no scan of him tanking WW's blows?

Forget WW, KS best fights were with OMAC and his father, who was stated to be well above Superboy. He lost both but did trade blows and showed off his durability and healing. I'd put OMAC well above KP, too.

This is basically a close fight that can go either way. On land, I'd give it to Kingpin. In or very near water, I'd give it to King Shark.

Even Aquaman can win a fight underwater.

Just not very often.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Even Aquaman can win a fight underwater.

Just not very often.
LOL.

Originally posted by zopzop
This is basically a close fight that can go either way. On land, I'd give it to Kingpin. In or very near water, I'd give it to King Shark.

You gotta be joking :')

Yeah, I don't see KS winning even underwater.

Originally posted by zopzop
This is basically a close fight that can go either way. On land, I'd give it to Kingpin. In or very near water, I'd give it to King Shark.

Originally posted by zopzop
This is basically a close fight that can go either way. On land, I'd give it to Kingpin. In or very near water, I'd give it to King Shark. You lost your Damn mind.
KS is armor piercing bullet proof. He tanks blows from Superboy, WW, and AM without damage. He has a regenerative ability. He can bite through solid steel like tissue paper.
He can easily bite KP arm off.
KP wouldn't be able to phase him at all.

KS has all the advantages by a significant margin.

Originally posted by h1a8
He tanks blows from without damage. Where?

Originally posted by Smurph
Where?

Wonder Woman annual 1 of vol.5

Originally posted by h1a8
Wonder Woman annual 1 of vol.5

Omg.

This???

https://i.postimg.cc/Ghys08nD/20.jpg

Yeah......that's not quite the fight performance from King Shark you think it is lol.

She's obviously holding back, but her holding back is still more powerful than anything Kingpin can produce.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Omg.

This???

https://i.postimg.cc/Ghys08nD/20.jpg

Yeah......that's not quite the fight performance from King Shark you think it is lol. lol that's what I thought. And that's why h1 has been avoiding providing the cite or scan.

What a troll.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
She's obviously holding back, but her holding back is still more powerful than anything Kingpin can produce. Sure, but that's not the point. H1 is using that page as "proof" that KS is class 100:

Originally posted by h1a8

If it wasn't for WWs speed and reflexes then he would pose a problem for her.
He still scales off her.
She struck him and it did seemingly nothing to him. Originally posted by h1a8

Also taking hits without damage from VERY HIGH CLASS 100 beings due to natural physical toughness implies that one is class 100 (even if he is weaker).
and then you look at the page itself and... lol.

At first h1 claimed that he scaled off of WW's strength. When pressed on where they ever compared strength, h1 admitted that he just threw her name in the mix.

Then h1 repeatedly claimed that KS "tanks blows" from WW "without missing a beat". And when pressed, his only proof is a panel where KS is about to eat a dude and drops that dude because WW elbows him in the gut, before blocking his bite herself and lassoing him. And as you say, she's obviously holding back: "calm yourself, please! I am not your enemy!"

Bottom line, h1 is a liar.

Originally posted by Smurph
Sure, but that's not the point. H1 is using that page as "proof" that KS is class 100:

and then you look at the page itself and... lol.

At first h1 claimed that he scaled off of WW's strength. When pressed on where they ever compared strength, h1 admitted that he just threw her name in the mix.

Then h1 repeatedly claimed that KS "tanks blows" from WW "without missing a beat". And when pressed, his only proof is a panel where KS is about to eat a dude and drops that dude because WW elbows him in the gut, before blocking his bite herself and lassoing him. And as you say, she's obviously holding back: "calm yourself, please! I am not your enemy!"

Bottom line, h1 is a liar.

It doesn't appear to me she's holding back significantly. The art appears as if she is putting some effort into the blow (at least more than half her might). She put her hands together so that the elbow is effective (this creates a more powerful elbow). Writer's intent. If writer wanted to reader to believe that WW was holding a large amount then they would have shown her very casually striking him (like a casual smack or finger flick or a simple 1 handed nudge like elbow).

This is called story telling. Make the reader see what your intent is.

And you are trolling at this point. I already gave points to why this fight is spite. Nitpicking 1 detail from the many doesn't defeat the argument. You know "nitpicking " is a logical fallacy right?

Well it's hardly nitpicking when she's a core (33.3333 recurring % lol) part of your argument that he's a class 100 (the other two being.... Aquaman and Superboy).

The argument was that he could tank high class 100s (i.e. WW) where it does nothing to him. But A: she's hardly putting her full strength into it (for that, you should see how she punches Batman), and B: it didn't 'do nothing' (she forced him to drop the guard and he went Huurk).

There's also C which you argue where different writers have different opinions etc but that's a separate issue.

Just post a Salma Hayek pic if h1 is bothering you, guys.

He will short-circuit while trying to figure out why she counts as two big reasons.

Originally posted by h1a8
It doesn't appear to me she's holding back significantly. On a hold-back-O-meter where is she at?

Originally posted by h1a8


And you are trolling at this point. I already gave points to why this fight is spite. Nitpicking 1 detail from the many doesn't defeat the argument. You know "nitpicking " is a logical fallacy right? lol you don't get to cry "nitpicking!" when you're just being called out on your bullshit.

You said KS is class 100 based, in part, on his fights with Wonder Woman. That was a lie. Their fights include her very casually defeating him three times (as far as I know). She has a tougher time with Batman.

So let's see some actual proof that KS is class 100, or otherwise untouchable in this fight. You say KS could just stand still and let KP hit him, but since KP can do a choke slam on Tombstone with one arm, I'm not really seeing it.

After you either concede or try to weasel away from the "unharmable class 100" nonsense, we can move on to "insane healing factor" claim.

Originally posted by Smurph
lol you don't get to cry "nitpicking!" when you're just being called out on your bullshit.

You said KS is class 100 based, in part, on his fights with Wonder Woman. That was a lie. Their fights include her very casually defeating him three times (as far as I know). She has a tougher time with Batman.

So let's see some actual proof that KS is class 100, or otherwise untouchable in this fight. You say KS could just stand still and let KP hit him, but since KP can do a choke slam on Tombstone with one arm, I'm not really seeing it.

After you either concede or try to weasel away from the "unharmable class 100" nonsense, we can move on to "insane healing factor" claim.

I didn't back down on my argument. There is no lie. If someone is able to tank a blow from a very high class 100 character with no damage due to ONLY TO TOUGHNESS
the they are at least class 100. It would make no sense otherwise. Thanos ability to tank class 100s blows and dish out damage to class 100s puts him on that category. He doesn't need lifting feats.

KS doesn't have to be class 100 here.
His durability and biting is enough to make the fight spite. KP is not strong enough to damage someone who is armor piercing bulletproof. He's a demigod like WW and Hercules are. Not on the same level though.
Even if KP can defy the impossible and cause some minor damage to KS then KS recovers right away due to his regeneration.

Lastly, I already explained myself. I threw WW in the mix to show how tough he is.
Tanking a semiserious blow from WW is a major feat.

Your argument stems on thinking that KP can somehow damage someone of KS durability. And also ignore his regeneration and biting abilities.

I don't see how KP stops KS from even biting him.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
On a hold-back-O-meter where is she at?

Did you read the post?
I proved that she struck him with MORE than half her might.

If you give 2 different arguments why something is the case and I argue against one of the them (concede to the other) then I'm nitpicking by definition. It's a logical fallacy. It does not defeat an argument at all. And that's 50%. % does not matter in the definition.

Yes, he stopped trying to eat the guard.
I meant as far as being visibly damaged or stunned. It's impressive. A bee sting can make me drop someone. Yes KS felt the blow. But it had no stun or damage effect.

Writer's have different opinions yes. But that's irrelevant due to us taking the highest showings (prevent those bias against a character to cherry pick that character's lows against their characters highs) I know no writer that wrote KS to not being bulletproof (bullets bounce off him) or not being able to hurt AM and the likes.

He's at least several times stronger than KP and several times more durable. He has teeth that can bite limbs and heads off. A gorilla is stronger than a lion. But a lion will kill the gorilla just due to biting.

So I just saw the Grifter vs Suicide Squad fight. Grifter was destroying Suicide Squad till King Shark showed up and actually bit through his TK force field and downed Grifter.

I change my vote. KS got this. I can see him biting Kingpin's head clean off.

Originally posted by h1a8
If you give 2 different arguments why something is the case and I argue against one of the them (concede to the other) then I'm nitpicking by definition. It's a logical fallacy. It does not defeat an argument at all. And that's 50%. % does not matter in the definition.

Yes, he stopped trying to eat the guard.
I meant as far as being visibly damaged or stunned. It's impressive. A bee sting can make me drop someone. Yes KS felt the blow. But it had no stun or damage effect.

Writer's have different opinions yes. But that's irrelevant due to us taking the highest showings (prevent those bias against a character to cherry pick that character's lows against their characters highs) I know no writer that wrote KS to not being bulletproof (bullets bounce off him) or not being able to hurt AM and the likes.

He's at least several times stronger than KP and several times more durable. He has teeth that can bite limbs and heads off. A gorilla is stronger than a lion. But a lion will kill the gorilla just due to biting.

It caused him to not only stop trying to eat him, he dropped him completely. For it to be impressive for KS, you'd have to show she was trying to stun/damage him - and his durability then prevented that. Otherwise, it's more likely that WW - a warrior with tons of experience - knows exactly how hard to hit someone to make them drop something.

Writers having different opinions isn't irrelevant. WW may not have been written as a high class 100 in that story, for example. Aquaman may not have been written as class 100 when he fought King Shark - remember, Aquaman also fought the Joker, lol.

So using scaling isn't quite that great when you of all people have argued that characters aren't always written at 100% in every story. So why are WW/AM/Superboy etc all suddenly being ramped up to their highest levels, then KS gets scaled off that?

He fought pretty evenly with Killer Croc. Same Croc who gets beaten by Batman, for example.

Originally posted by zopzop
So I just saw the Grifter vs Suicide Squad fight. Grifter was destroying Suicide Squad till King Shark showed up and actually bit through his TK force field and downed Grifter.

I change my vote. KS got this. I can see him biting Kingpin's head clean off.

Which fight did you read?

Because the one I remember had KS desperately trying to chew on Grifter with no success.

Grifter's power level fluctuates like crazy, too.

Fisk eats KS whole, then has some zopzop for a dessert. I bet you taste like strawberries.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Which fight did you read?

Because the one I remember had KS desperately trying to chew on Grifter with no success.

Grifter's power level fluctuates like crazy, too.

Fisk eats KS whole, then has some zopzop for a dessert. I bet you taste like strawberries.
I'll link the fight. Grifter tooled the entire Squad till King Shark showed up and put his foot down (metaphorically speaking). He crushed Griter's TK field with a bite and Griter was downed.
https://i.postimg.cc/qgZwKYW4/oLbYRP7.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/pphZJCt8/apvL7XH.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/dhGjz03V/uuFNyM9.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/XZ3k30Bc/H9t0eSL.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/wyj5ycV1/KD1cOmQ.jpg

Yeah, that's the one I remembered. FF still protected Grifter... others finished the job.

Fisk has pummeled the Wizard solo. Forcefields are overrated, hun.

Originally posted by h1a8
If you give 2 different arguments why something is the case and I argue against one of the them (concede to the other) then I'm nitpicking by definition. It's a logical fallacy. It does not defeat an argument at all. And that's 50%. % does not matter in the definition.

Nothing's been conceded. We're just going through your bullshit one point at a time.

And if you're lying about a central part of the argument, that's pretty relevant to the credibility of your entire position.

Originally posted by zopzop
So I just saw the Grifter vs Suicide Squad fight. Grifter was destroying Suicide Squad till King Shark showed up and actually bit through his TK force field and downed Grifter.

I change my vote. KS got this. I can see him biting Kingpin's head clean off.

Actually, KS did the same to Superboy's tacticle TK force field, too.

They both suck

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, that's the one I remembered. FF still protected Grifter... others finished the job.

Fisk has pummeled the Wizard solo. Forcefields are overrated, hun.
Do you have scans of the fight?

https://i.ibb.co/Y3T9sGP/wizard.png

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
https://i.ibb.co/Y3T9sGP/wizard.png
That's the whole fight?

Yes.

Fisk is not a pussy like those losers from F4, he just gets the job done

Originally posted by zopzop
I'll link the fight. Grifter tooled the entire Squad till King Shark showed up and put his foot down (metaphorically speaking). He crushed Griter's TK field with a bite and Griter was downed.
https://i.postimg.cc/qgZwKYW4/oLbYRP7.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/pphZJCt8/apvL7XH.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/dhGjz03V/uuFNyM9.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/XZ3k30Bc/H9t0eSL.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/wyj5ycV1/KD1cOmQ.jpg

And Grifter's TK/TP were extremely impressive, seeing as he backed down Helspont, whom casually owned Superman like a weak feeb

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It caused him to not only stop trying to eat him, he dropped him completely. For it to be impressive for KS, you'd have to show she was trying to stun/damage him - and his durability then prevented that. Otherwise, it's more likely that WW - a warrior with tons of experience - knows exactly how hard to hit someone to make them drop something.

Writers having different opinions isn't irrelevant. WW may not have been written as a high class 100 in that story, for example. Aquaman may not have been written as class 100 when he fought King Shark - remember, Aquaman also fought the Joker, lol.

So using scaling isn't quite that great when you of all people have argued that characters aren't always written at 100% in every story. So why are WW/AM/Superboy etc all suddenly being ramped up to their highest levels, then KS gets scaled off that?

He fought pretty evenly with Killer Croc. Same Croc who gets beaten by Batman, for example.

I proved that she used at least half her might in my previous post. A bee sting can make me drop something. Yes he felt her blow.

Yes characters levels fluctuate from writer to writer. I use a character's average showings when doing ABC logic or scaling, unless it can be proven the level that character (of whom we are scaling off) was operating at.

Also there are things that's always consistent with every writer. For example, KS being bulletproof, Spider-Man being able to dodge bullets, etc.

Lastly, examples with Batman don't quite work. He's defied logic too many times.
Faster than light, durable enough to survive onslaught from Superman, etc. He's one of the few exceptions to all rules. He doesn't count. He can be operating at Abstract tier at times.

Now just let me destroy smurf. Tag teaming me is unfair advantage lol. He's stealing you guys arguments and combining them with his own. Let him argue on his own.

Originally posted by Smurph
Nothing's been conceded. We're just going through your bullshit one point at a time.

And if you're lying about a central part of the argument, that's pretty relevant to the credibility of your entire position. I've proven I didn't lie a long time ago. You keep bringing it up like you just made some discovery. Repeating yourself doesn't make your argument stronger.

I already explained why I mentioned WW. That t is covered. Admitted to the mistake but still shown that the showing can be still used as evidence.

Argue against all points simultaneously if you disagree with them. Not one at a time.
Unless you mention that you will address them later in your post. Then it's ok to pick 1 thing at a time.

Credibility is only valid if you going to take someone word without proof. Comics speak for themselves. No need for anyone here to be credible. Just ask for proof when people make claims you don't believe.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
And Grifter's TK/TP were extremely impressive, seeing as he backed down Helspont, whom casually owned Superman like a weak feeb

Which reminds us you just need a group of streets and low metas to handle a guy like Grifter or Superboy Prime...

Golgo I got your back

Don't let stilt intimidate you

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Which reminds us you just need a group of streets and low metas to handle a guy like Grifter or Superboy Prime...

Eh, it's comics. Surfer and Thor get humbled by streets all the time, which is why I said Fixit is street level at best.

Originally posted by h1a8
I proved that she used at least half her might in my previous post. A bee sting can make me drop something. Yes he felt her blow.

Yes characters levels fluctuate from writer to writer. I use a character's average showings when doing ABC logic or scaling, unless it can be proven the level that character (of whom we are scaling off) was operating at.

Also there are things that's always consistent with every writer. For example, KS being bulletproof, Spider-Man being able to dodge bullets, etc.

Lastly, examples with Batman don't quite work. He's defied logic too many times.
Faster than light, durable enough to survive onslaught from Superman, etc. He's one of the few exceptions to all rules. He doesn't count. He can be operating at Abstract tier at times.

Now just let me destroy smurf. Tag teaming me is unfair advantage lol. He's stealing you guys arguments and combining them with his own. Let him argue on his own.

Two things firstly:

1.Half her FULL might? Half her average might?

2.You just showed your interpretation, nothing more. Her using her elbow and holding it means nothing - perhaps that's how her training taught her to do so (she doesn't show the same finger jabbing proficiency as say, Lady Shiva etc).

And sure, let's not use Batman himself. KS fought evenly with Killer Croc, who got choked out by Two Face, got taken out by Harley, fought Katana and Batwoman....they even beat him, iirc. Bane, too. Killer Croc is one of the easiest guys to scale off of, if you want low showings. Stilt is just itching, there (more so than normal).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Two things firstly:

1.Half her FULL might? Half her average might?

2.You just showed your interpretation, nothing more. Her using her elbow and holding it means nothing - perhaps that's how her training taught her to do so (she doesn't show the same finger jabbing proficiency as say, Lady Shiva etc).

And sure, let's not use Batman himself. KS fought evenly with Killer Croc, who got choked out by Two Face, got taken out by Harley, fought Katana and Batwoman....they even beat him, iirc. Bane, too. Killer Croc is one of the easiest guys to scale off of, if you want low showings. Stilt is just itching, there (more so than normal).

WW doesn't exist and never existed. There is no such thing as her training. It never happened. The only thing that exists is in the mind of the writer. Stop arguing as if these things happened. Writer's intent was to show her putting forth some good effort into the blow. Not debatable. Anything else is making shit up.
Writer's have easy techniques to show a character using a tiny fraction of the their strength. It's part of story telling.

Using a character's low showings as a base towards their average when trying to scale is a faulty. Crocs low showings (being choked out by two face) is far from his average.

Plus I was scaling strength and durability from other characters. Not performance. I'm scaling KS physical attributes based off the attacks he endured and the damage output he did.

A beat B and B beat C doesn't mean A can beat C.

Use exact analogies when debating.
Show Croc average feats (shit he's tank and dished out) and compare that with the fight against KS (specifics like KS pinched Croc with no effect or Croc punched KS and stunned him)

Originally posted by h1a8
WW doesn't exist and never existed. There is no such thing as her training. It never happened. The only thing that exists is in the mind of the writer. Stop arguing as if these things happened. Writer's intent was to show her putting forth some good effort into the blow. Not debatable. Anything else is making shit up.
Writer's have easy techniques to show a character using a tiny fraction of the their strength. It's part of story telling.

Using a character's low showings as a base towards their average when trying to scale is a faulty. Crocs low showings (being choked out by two face) is far from his average.

Plus I was scaling strength and durability from other characters. Not performance. I'm scaling KS physical attributes based off the attacks he endured and the damage output he did.

A beat B and B beat C doesn't mean A can beat C.

Use exact analogies when debating.
Show Croc average feats (shit he's tank and dished out) and compare that with the fight against KS (specifics like KS pinched Croc with no effect or Croc punched KS and stunned him)

Writer's intent was to show her skill and abilities to hit him in such a way as to make him drop the guard, but at the same time not hurt him. This is a fun way to debate .

Thus, using it as a feat for his durability is wrong, as WW was there to protect him (explicitly said by the writer). Not hurt him.

It counts towards his average, no? Two Face, Batwoman, Katana, Harley - they all count towards his average. I'm not even using low showings like random thugs.

Croc has a tougher hide than Shark. Explicitly said, too. Durability,there you go a direct comparison

Im curious. So you are going to bail everyone out? Smurph can debate on his own.He doesn't need help

Smurph is my alter-ego.

Originally posted by h1a8
Im curious. So you are going to bail everyone out? Smurph can debate on his own.He doesn't need help

You're always wrong about everything, that's why the whole forum is against you, you know.

You should be quite used to it by now.

Originally posted by h1a8

Argue against all points simultaneously if you disagree with them. Not one at a time.
Unless you mention that you will address them later in your post. Then it's ok to pick 1 thing at a time. lol, uh, no? I think I'll proceed through your points in whatever order I feel like.

Originally posted by h1a8
Credibility is only valid if you going to take someone word without proof. And as you have demonstrated, we cannot take your word without proof.

You said King Shark has class 100 strength and an "insane" healing factor. So, let's see some proof.

Originally posted by Smurph
lol, uh, no? I think I'll proceed through your points in whatever order I feel like.

And as you have demonstrated, we cannot take your word without proof.

You said King Shark has class 100 strength and an "insane" healing factor. So, let's see some proof.

I gave proof to the class 100 strength. Plus you just seen proof of him biting with class 100 power.
Insane is an opinionated word. He does have a regenerative ability where he can regrow flesh, limbs, etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
I gave proof to the class 100 strength. Plus you just seen proof of him biting with class 100 power.
Insane is an opinionated word. He does have a regenerative ability where he can regrow flesh, limbs, etc. You just told me to not take you at your word, and to ask for proof from the comics. The only proof you've provided is laughably different from what you described, and a non-feat that has nothing to do with class 100 strength.

Insane is a word that you used as part of your argument. You listed four reasons that KS wins, one of which being an "insane healing factor"

So what's the best feat that you can show for this insane healing factor?

Originally posted by h1a8
Im curious. So you are going to bail everyone out? Smurph can debate on his own.He doesn't need help

He might need help coming up with new adjectives to describe you.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Omg.

This???

https://i.postimg.cc/Ghys08nD/20.jpg

Yeah......that's not quite the fight performance from King Shark you think it is lol.

If THAT counts as some insane durability feat, then I guess I should have posted Fisk getting kicked by ****ing Kurse and keeping smiling while talking to Malekith...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If THAT counts as some insane durability feat, then I guess I should have posted Fisk getting kicked by ****ing Kurse and keeping smiling while talking to Malekith...

He was outright laughing at Malekith, too, and this was after he had just been in a helicopter crash (hence the wounds):


https://i.postimg.cc/21bPDM6s/13.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/3y2VyG29/14-1.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/FYMwspk7/05.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If THAT counts as some insane durability feat, then I guess I should have posted Fisk getting kicked by ****ing Kurse and keeping smiling while talking to Malekith...

That's not a feat. Not only KP was visibly damaged but he was struck hard enough to punish him for information. There is 0 indication that Kurse used any great effort.

Originally posted by Smurph
You just told me to not take you at your word, and to ask for proof from the comics. The only proof you've provided is laughably different from what you described, and a non-feat that has nothing to do with class 100 strength.

Insane is a word that you used as part of your argument. You listed four reasons that KS wins, one of which being an "insane healing factor"

So what's the best feat that you can show for this insane healing factor? I'm too lazy to show something that you ALREADY KNOW ABOUT. So I concede the healing factor (common knowledge really). KS wins without it very easily.

Just do a simple comparison. Kingpin's top power output vs KS top durability feats.
Then do KP top durability feats against KS top power output feats.
Simple.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's not a feat. Not only KP was visibly damaged but he was struck hard enough to punish him for information. There is 0 indication that Kurse used any great effort.

I'm too lazy to show something that you ALREADY KNOW ABOUT. So I concede the healing factor (common knowledge really). KS wins without it very easily.

Just do a simple comparison. Kingpin's top power output vs KS top durability feats.
Then do KP top durability feats against KS top power output feats.
Simple.

Actually, Kingpin didn't give out any information as a result of the punishment. He did it to serve his own ends.

Originally posted by h1a8

I'm too lazy to show something that you ALREADY KNOW ABOUT. So I concede the healing factor (common knowledge really). KS wins without it very easily. I already know that the healing factor "feats" do nothing to support your claim, which is why you're not posting them.

I already know that King Shark heals in a matter of pages, at best, not panels. You called it an "insane healing factor", which was another lie. It's more like Hawkman's healing.

Originally posted by h1a8
Just do a simple comparison. Kingpin's top power output vs KS top durability feats.
Then do KP top durability feats against KS top power output feats.
Simple. Well, Kingpin laughed off torture from Kurse and a point blank blast to the face from a Doombot.

Maybe Diana was using two hands to one elbow so that the first hand could hold back the sheer might of the second.

After all, she was telling KS she wasn't his enemy. Wouldn't be very convincing if she said that and then put a hole in his abdomen.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If THAT counts as some insane durability feat, then I guess I should have posted Fisk getting kicked by ****ing Kurse and keeping smiling while talking to Malekith...

Puny gods!

Originally posted by Smurph
Maybe Diana was using two hands to one elbow so that the first hand could hold back the sheer might of the second.

After all, she was telling KS she wasn't his enemy. Wouldn't be very convincing if she said that and then put a hole in his abdomen. Nice joke

Anyway KS wins this

Concession accepted

Originally posted by Smurph
Concession accepted

Concession to a joke?
You are joking right? Or just trolling?

Originally posted by h1a8
I proved that she used at least half her might in my previous post. A bee sting can make me drop something. Yes he felt her blow.

Yes characters levels fluctuate from writer to writer. I use a character's average showings when doing ABC logic or scaling, unless it can be proven the level that character (of whom we are scaling off) was operating at.

Also there are things that's always consistent with every writer. For example, KS being bulletproof, Spider-Man being able to dodge bullets, etc.

Lastly, examples with Batman don't quite work. He's defied logic too many times.
Faster than light, durable enough to survive onslaught from Superman, etc. He's one of the few exceptions to all rules. He doesn't count. He can be operating at Abstract tier at times.

Now just let me destroy smurf. Tag teaming me is unfair advantage lol. He's stealing you guys arguments and combining them with his own. Let him argue on his own.

Average showings? Can Killer Shark match Forum Wonder Woman?

Originally posted by h1a8
Concession to a joke?
You are joking right? Or just trolling? You avoided every point and just said "KS wins" - which is a non argument and, at this point in the thread, a concession.

You were lying about the cl 100 thing, about Wonder Woman, about the "insane healing factor". My guess is that it started with you trusting the descriptions in some respect thread but then, not wanting to admit you didn't actually have proof to back any of this up, you just evaded and trolled for pages.

The classic h1 double down.

Originally posted by Smurph
You avoided every point and just said "KS wins" - which is a non argument and, at this point in the thread, a concession.

You were lying about the cl 100 thing, about Wonder Woman, about the "insane healing factor". My guess is that it started with you trusting the descriptions in some respect thread but then, not wanting to admit you didn't actually have proof to back any of this up, you just evaded and trolled for pages.

The classic h1 double down.

Slight inconsistency with WW but the showing is still valid. He did absorb her blow without a hitch.
He does have an insane healing factor. You know this. Unless your definition of insane if different than mine.
Going toe to toe with AM and other class 100 beings should make you class 100 (even if it's low class 100). That's why we consider Thanos stronger than Thor and he doesn't have any lifting feats.

Great job ignoring his other feats (against AM and Superboy and Omac, etc) only to nitpick the WW bit. Nitpicking is a logical fallacy you know.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Average showings? Can Killer Shark match Forum Wonder Woman? Nope, not at all. He would be within the vicinity of her though. Still helping Smurph?

Originally posted by h1a8
Nope, not at all. He would be within the vicinity of her though. Still helping Smurph?

I aid all those who don't want it.

Is King Shark in the vicinity of forum Aquaman and forum Superboy? Based on what is he in their vicinity, seeing as writer interpretations differ and WW in her interactions with KS didn't display any class 100 feats?

KS is CL 100 and 100 plus in water.

Originally posted by h1a8
Slight inconsistency with WW but the showing is still valid. He did absorb her blow without a hitch. The showing is a "valid" loss. Wonder Woman has always defeated him with zero effort.

Originally posted by h1a8
He does have an insane healing factor. You know this. Unless your definition of insane if different than mine. Scans?


Originally posted by h1a8
Going toe to toe with AM and other class 100 beings should make you class 100 (even if it's low class 100). That's why we consider Thanos stronger than Thor and he doesn't have any lifting feats.

Great job ignoring his other feats (against AM and Superboy and Omac, etc) only to nitpick the WW bit. Nitpicking is a logical fallacy you know. You haven't posted any other feats. You didn't even post the WW feat.

It's your case to make. You told me that I shouldn't take your word for it, but....

Originally posted by h1a8
Nope, not at all. He would be within the vicinity of her though. Still helping Smurph? lol h1 if you think you look like a winner in this debate, you are sorely deluded

Originally posted by Smurph
lol h1 if you think you look like a winner in this debate, you are sorely deluded

Where would you put KS in strength department? If he was able to harm Superman, having Kon-El dead to rights (Weakened, but still able to take hits from Supergirl), and brushing off Aquaman, he's easily 100 or close to it. If he can take a beating from OMAC (100 plus), he can take KP's attacks.