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Who can lift the heavens like this?

Originally posted by Galan007
Superman voluntarily lifts the Heavens, so that Atlas can go to his daughter's wedding:
https://i.ibb.co/zSd1NWc/Superman-Man-of-Tomorrow-012-003.jpg https://i.ibb.co/1Xxy12T/Superman-Man-of-Tomorrow-012-004.jpg https://i.ibb.co/fQ6gSh2/Superman-Man-of-Tomorrow-012-005.jpg https://i.ibb.co/JvwxBPG/Superman-Man-of-Tomorrow-012-006.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/5RTJZQ8/Superman-Man-of-Tomorrow-012-007.jpg https://i.ibb.co/DzpFSZb/Superman-Man-of-Tomorrow-012-008.jpg https://i.ibb.co/KFfmZHs/Superman-Man-of-Tomorrow-012-009.jpg https://i.ibb.co/pwyZ4Tx/Superman-Man-of-Tomorrow-012-013.jpg

lol.

The same sky threatened to crush entire existence, Highfather tried to stop it by channeling godwave but failed eventually.

https://postimg.cc/fJF7vBCT
https://postimg.cc/fV9cqmq7
https://postimg.cc/w73cJShG

Thor
Worldbreaker Hulk
Thanos
Odin
Galactus

Hercules and Regular Hulk could

Maybe Odin, that's it.

This is one of those non-quantifiable feats with no inherent meaning that bullshitters like to peddle. I think even the writer explained that it's not a physical feat.

But for the sake of argument, Hercules did it too.

https://i.imgur.com/XPP4hJjm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/4VFwUNxm.jpg

- Incredible Hercules #121

Originally posted by carver9
Hercules and Regular Hulk could
Originally posted by Astner
This is one of those non-quantifiable feats with no inherent meaning that bullshitters like to peddle. I think even the writer explained that it's not a physical feat.

But for the sake of argument, Hercules did it too.

https://i.imgur.com/XPP4hJjm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/4VFwUNxm.jpg

- Incredible Hercules #121
Its not, sky was falling and it was destroying planets as shown on panel.

https://i.postimg.cc/nsh3gQNM/image.jpg

Soon it would have crushed entire existence.

Nothing unquantifiable about it. Hercules only lifted axis Mundi, which is simply a magical axis.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hercules is lifting axis mundi, not actually heavens.

Here it is straight up said that it's the spiritual center of Earth.

https://s6.postimg.cc/v46fv40wd/image.jpg https://s6.postimg.cc/lwe7ef1jx/image.jpg https://s6.postimg.cc/psrjaeu99/image.jpg

Marvel handbook states the same.

https://s6.postimg.cc/xy9l8m88h/image.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend

Its not, sky was falling and it was destroying planets as shown on panel.

https://i.postimg.cc/nsh3gQNM/image.jpg

Soon it would have crushed entire existence.

Nothing unquantifiable about it. Hercules only lifted axis Mundi, which is simply a magical axis.

That's actually an insane feat

Originally posted by Smurph
Originally posted by Smurph

There's nothing in the story that indicates axis Mundi can destroy the multiverse if Atlas let it go.

Its not even a weight, Atlanteans siphoned some of the energy of the axis Mundi to make themselves the center of the world (not universe or multiverse mind you).


https://postimg.cc/HrBqyg8f
https://postimg.cc/Y40JNs1j

Referencing something doesn't make both feats equal, no matter how much you want it to.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Its not, sky was falling and it was destroying planets as shown on panel.

https://i.postimg.cc/nsh3gQNM/image.jpg

Soon it would have crushed entire existence.
Why are you cross-referencing? This is a completely unrelated comic dealing with a completely different idea of what the heavens are.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hercules only lifted axis Mundi, which is simply a magical axis.
What? Atlas was the Axis Mundi.

"There we condemned the titans' general, Atlas, to hold the heavens along as the Axis Mundi--the world axis--"

And it does make it clear that he did hold up the heavens.

Originally posted by Astner
Why are you cross-referencing? This is a completely unrelated comic dealing with a completely different idea of what the heavens are.

Lolwut? It's a canon comic expanding on what the weight of the heavens is.

Read and educate thyself.

Its not even a weight, Atlanteans siphoned some of the energy of the axis Mundi to make themselves the center of the world (not universe or multiverse mind you).
https://postimg.cc/HrBqyg8f
https://postimg.cc/Y40JNs1j

Its not even a weight, it's an energy field.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There's nothing in the story that indicates axis Mundi can destroy the multiverse if Atlas let it go.

Its not even a weight, Atlanteans siphoned some of the energy of the axis Mundi to make themselves the center of the world (not universe or multiverse mind you).


https://postimg.cc/HrBqyg8f
https://postimg.cc/Y40JNs1j

Referencing something doesn't make both feats equal, no matter how much you want it to. Axis mundi = the point (ie axis) that bears the weight of the heavens.

You can quibble about what the "heavens" equals (ie less than a planet, a whole universe, a multiverse), whatever. But you've been peddling this bullshit about axis mundi being "less weight" because it's "just a magical axis" and we've been over this argument three times now.

An axis is a point that bears weight, my dude. It doesn't matter that it can be drained of its magical energy (???). While it bears the heavens weight, then lifting it = lifting the heavens.

Originally posted by Smurph
Axis mundi = the point (ie axis) that bears the weight of the heavens.

You can quibble about what the "heavens" equals (ie less than a planet, a whole universe, a multiverse), whatever. But you've been peddling this bullshit about axis mundi being "less weight" because it's "just a magical axis" and we've been over this argument three times now.

An axis is a point that bears weight, my dude. It doesn't matter that it can be drained of its magical energy (???). While it bears the heavens weight, then lifting it = lifting the heavens.
So basically you are borrowing Mr Master terminology where anything can be anything, heavens=multiverse=omniverse?

No, it was outright stated to be energy field in the handbook.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lolwut? It's a canon comic expanding on what the weight of the heavens is.
A comic that was released three years later, by a different writer, telling a completely different story with unrelated concepts, and not making any references to the story you cross-reference.

But let's be a bit more straight-forward: Is there any evidence (at all) that these concepts are connected other than they both being referred to as "the Heavens?"

Originally posted by abhilegend
Read and educate thyself.
What are you talking about? I literally cited the narration box from the first page you posted. Atlas is the Axis Mundi, and he held up the Heavens.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So basically you are borrowing Mr Master terminology where anything can be anything, heavens=multiverse=omniverse?

No, it was outright stated to be energy field in the handbook. No, if you re-read my post I think you'll find that I don't give a shit about whether heavens are likened to the sky or the multiverse or the omniverse. Ironically, you are busy trying to stitch together unrelated DC comics to inflate Superman's feat from simply heavens to instead = multiverse.

Everything from the actual panels to the handbooks shows that lifting "axis mundi" in Marvel = lifting the heavens (whatever you define that to mean). If you keep insisting that axis mundi is something lesser, you just look like a liar and a dipshit.

Abhi's Superman fanboyism is destroying him.

27evSVwjzzI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27evSVwjzzI

Originally posted by Astner
A comic that was released three years later, by a different writer, telling a completely different story with unrelated concepts, and not making any references to the story you cross-reference.

That's how a shared universe works. If it's canon, it can be cross referenced.

You mean there are two different Atlas in DC holding up two different skies?

Axis Mundi is the energy field which Atlas holds up. Learn to read.

Originally posted by Smurph
No, if you re-read my post I think you'll find that I don't give a shit about whether heavens are likened to the sky or the multiverse or the omniverse. Ironically, you are busy trying to stitch together unrelated DC comics to inflate Superman's feat from simply heavens to instead = multiverse.

Because it literally is. The sky fell and almost crushed entire existence including multiverse and sphere of Gods.

And you're equating it to Superman's feat because why not? Even if I were to accept it is more than an energy field which is again reiterated in History of the Marvel Universe.

https://i.postimg.cc/BQRFhkWg/tumblr-pv7n6v4shu1sqep2mo1-1280.jpg

Yggdrasil=Axis Mundi=Energy field.

What's the weight of the heavens Hercules lifted?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even if I were to accept it is more than an energy field which is again reiterated in History of the Marvel Universe.

...

Yggdrasil=Axis Mundi=Energy field.
Wtf are you talking about. Where is it stated that Axis Mundi = Yggdrasil?

This is the most unhinged, tinfoil hat, shitposting random scans in an insanely roundabout attempt to prop up Superman bs

Originally posted by Smurph
Wtf are you talking about. Where is it stated that Axis Mundi = Yggdrasil?

This is the most unhinged, tinfoil hat, shitposting random scans in an insanely roundabout attempt to prop up Superman bs

https://postimg.cc/image/a7a7qi819/

"The axis Mundi exists in various other forms to various other faiths including Yggdrasil".

I thought you read the scans lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's how a shared universe works. If it's canon, it can be cross referenced.
It's not a matter of whether it can or can't be done, but rather: a matter of the quality of the arguments being made. Most people here understand that these kind of patchwork arguments are highly unreliable, and don't represent either the writers', the editors' or the audience's perception of the character's abilities, and therefore can't be associated with any consistent portrayal of the character's abilities.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean there are two different Atlas in DC holding up two different skies?
No. What I mean is that this conception of Heaven is unrelated to the one held up by Atlas.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Axis Mundi is the energy field which Atlas holds up. Learn to read.
They're siphoning Atlas' power, it's right there in the pages you posted: Atlas is being drained of his powers and expresses pain.

In this story Atlas is the Axis Mundi. I mean is literally explained in the first quote I cited.

Originally posted by abhilegend
https://postimg.cc/image/a7a7qi819/

"The axis Mundi exists in various other forms to various other faiths including Yggdrasil".

I thought you read the scans lol lol I am completely at a loss as to what you think you're proving. This is like GS going on about Kabbalah.

So to recap, you have found one handbook that refers to Axis Mundi as an energy field, and one handbook that refers to Yggdrasil as an energy field, and one handbook that refers to Axis Mundi as Yggdrasil, and you are using those statements to argue that Hercules didn't live the heavens?

Never understood Abhi's obsession with Superman.

Abhi, Superman is not going to save you. Like all Americans, Clark can't even use a world map.

Originally posted by Astner
It's not a matter of whether it can or can't be done, but rather: a matter of the quality of the arguments being made. Most people here understand that these kind of patchwork arguments don't represent either the writers', the editors', or the audience's perception of the character's abilities.

Quality according to whom?

What's Atlas holding up then?

Have you actually read the story? I guess not.



https://i.postimg.cc/g0CyZz8F/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/zv5nxxxx/image.jpg

Amazons drain the axis Mundi calling Atlas anchor of axis Mundi and freeing him from the burden.

Originally posted by Smurph
lol I am completely at a loss as to what you think you're proving. This is like GS going on about Kabbalah.

So to recap, you have found one handbook that refers to Axis Mundi as an energy field, and one handbook that refers to Yggdrasil as an energy field, and one handbook that refers to Axis Mundi as Yggdrasil, and you are using those statements to argue that Hercules didn't live the heavens?
Even in the story itself, Atlas only lifted Axis Mundi. Do you think Amazons here drained the heavens and freed Atlas?
https://i.postimg.cc/g0CyZz8F/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/zv5nxxxx/image.jpg


I guess marvel heaven is the size of a vase?

This just in, Amadeus Cho can lift the heavens in marvel.

https://i.postimg.cc/KvmWj2ns/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/yYnbSbj6/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/13tY0r7G/image.jpg

"It's the anchor and fulcrum of the whole world". World must be omniverse here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Quality according to whom?
According to consistency. Which is what we're trying to establish.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What's Atlas holding up then?
Heaven, but a different conception thereof. Again, these are unrelated stories.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Amazons drain the axis Mundi calling Atlas anchor of axis Mundi and freeing him from the burden.
They're also calling him the Bearer of the Heavens, which is what you're denying. I think? You've not really made your argument particularly clear.

Originally posted by Astner
According to consistency. Which is what we're trying to establish.


Heaven, but a different conception thereof. Again, these are unrelated stories.


They're also calling him the Bearer of the Heavens, which is what you're denying. I think? You've not really made your argument particularly clear.

What's the difference in heavens between both stories according to you?

Alright, so your argument is that Atlas held up physical weight of the heavens, right? So when Amazons drained it and made a vase the new anchor of the world, do you think Amadeus Cho lifted the physical weight of the heavens?

Originally posted by abhilegend
This just in, Amadeus Cho can lift the heavens in marvel.

https://i.postimg.cc/KvmWj2ns/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/yYnbSbj6/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/13tY0r7G/image.jpg

"It's the anchor and fulcrum of the whole world". World must be omniverse here. Originally posted by abhilegend
Even in the story itself, Atlas only lifted Axis Mundi. Do you think Amazons here drained the heavens and freed Atlas?
https://i.postimg.cc/g0CyZz8F/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/zv5nxxxx/image.jpg


I guess marvel heaven is the size of a vase?

This is your whole argument, isn't it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Alright, so your argument is that Atlas held up physical weight of the heavens, right?

So when Amazons drained it and made a vase the new anchor of the world, do you think Amadeus Cho lifted the physical weight of the heavens?

This is your whole argument, isn't it?
No. The main argument I'm making is that it's a metaphysical feat and therefore worthless when we're trying to quantify the characters's physical abilities.

The other argument I'm making is that you're cross-referencing unrelated stories.

Abhi's double standards are stuff of legends vin

Originally posted by Astner
No. The main argument I'm making is that it's a metaphysical feat and therefore worthless when we're trying to quantify the characters's physical abilities.

The writer even clarified that the feat took both strength of body and spirit. Superman physically lifted the sky, there were other factors too but that doesn't diminishes the physical aspect of the feat.

That's what makes stories part of a shared universe. It's canon, it can be referenced.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Abhi's double standards are stuff of legends vin


Truly spoken like a wolverine fanboy.

https://i.ibb.co/tbpjfy1/3nzp3qq3gzf71.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
https://i.ibb.co/tbpjfy1/3nzp3qq3gzf71.jpg
Superman just beat Goku 3-0.

😎😎😎

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman just beat Goku 3-0.

😎😎😎

Who cares about Death Battle?

The opinion of true experts matter more to me:

Originally posted by abhilegend
Post Crisis Superman loses to Goku in Frieza saga form before he went Super Saiyan. Forget about SSJ4

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Who cares about Death Battle?

The opinion of true experts matter more to me:
Its no longer post Crisis Superman

😎😎😎

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even in the story itself, Atlas only lifted Axis Mundi. Do you think Amazons here drained the heavens and freed Atlas?
This doesn't prove that Atlas didn't lift the heavens.

You're relying on bios and then ignoring the plain words in those bios.

Originally posted by Smurph
This doesn't prove that Atlas didn't lift the heavens.

You're relying on bios and then ignoring the plain words in those bios.
Of course, Namora and Amadeus also lifted the heavens here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This just in, Amadeus Cho can lift the heavens in marvel.

https://i.postimg.cc/KvmWj2ns/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/yYnbSbj6/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/13tY0r7G/image.jpg

"It's the anchor and fulcrum of the whole world". World must be omniverse here.

Seems anyone can lift the heavens, even 15 year old kids and a bullet can deflect the entirety of heavens.

Originally posted by Smurph
This doesn't prove that Atlas didn't lift the heavens.

You're relying on bios and then ignoring the plain words in those bios.

Originally posted by Smurph



What happened to the heavens after the amazons freed Atlas from his burden?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its no longer post Crisis Superman

😎😎😎

Okay, so Goku needs to go SSJ1

Anyone can. Nothing will happen if noone tries.

Abhi's argument is deeply unconvincing and even more deeply schizo tbh.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Abhi's argument is deeply unconvincing and even more deeply schizo tbh.
TBH, I don't care?

Patricia might.