Originally posted by Batman-Prime
No
Ya.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Marvel Omniverse = all of Marvel Reality
DC Multiverse (Pre Crisis) = all of DC Reality = Current DC Multiverse (or Omniverse, it really doesn't matter how you name it)
DC Universe is not = Marvel Universe per se
all of DC Reality = all of Marvel Reality
DC can have an Omniverse now, that doesn't bother me one bit,
in fact, I've said it before, I wish they cemented that as a fact,
unfortunately the most we've seen is a scientist claim that Supes saved the Omniverse.
Meh, it's enough for me, but many, most actually will call that hyperbole,
since it's a single statement with no illustrated depiction of this "Omniverse."
On the other hand I disagree with you
if you're comparing pre-crisis DC's size to Marvel's current.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
infinity x infinity = infinity
Nah.
In Marvel there are different levels of infinity.
They base this idea on the real world's "Cantor's Theorem,"
mathematician who proved there are indeed, "levels of Infinity."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor%27s_theorem
Cantor's Theorem:
"The theorem is named for Georg Cantor, who first stated and proved it."
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/659/c2cf9.th.jpg:
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Since you an expert in the Marvel cosmic history ^^, I have some questions.
In those Pre-Recton Beyonder an MM days,
the Marvel Reality was classified (by Marvel) as an Multiverse, right?
Or was it already classifed (by Marvel) as an Omniverse?
I mean,
did they use the Word Omniverse to classify their Marvel Verse BACK THEN?
The canon Marvelverse was an infinite Multiverse.
The term Omniverse was being used by Marvel since 1983,
but it was isolated in UK titles only,
which were not part of continuity at the time.
Officially, the Omniverse was introduced into continuity in 92'
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I don'T mean what is beyond the Multiverse,
DC had that too I guess after reading this thread.
I haven't seen anything that proves that yet.
A scan of a face that states it can destroy universes with a shrug surely doesn't.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So the Marvel Multiverse, or Marvel-Verse was renamed to an Omniverse "recently", or expanded (though you can't expand infinity, anyway, comics don't have to follow the rules of logic^^),
It expanded, like I said, by 92' it was official.
Also, as I said, in Marvel, like in the real world,
there are levels of infinity:
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I'm not surprised, in Marvel, there are different levels of infinity: (omnipotence)
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6475/kkht2.th.jpg
Kubik says,
"Our power is as nothing to the Celestials"
Kosmos replies,
"But Kubik, do we not possess Infinite Power (Omnipotence)
Kubik retorts,
"Yes, Our might is Infinite. But there are Levels of Infinity"
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CONTINUES ...
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7586/ccdh3.th.jpg
Kubik finishes:
"Thus are demonstrated two levels of infinity,
there are of course, an infinite number more"
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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
the Beyonder was depowered while LT was promoted by his boss^^?
The Beyonder was drastically depowered,
the LT stayed the same.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I don't know much about the Overseers,
but it sounds like the DC Version of the Pre-Recton Beyonder,
existing outside of the Multiverse etc.
That doesn't make them DC's Beyonder at all imo.
Existing outside of creation is common place in Marvel.
They might be DC's version of the Masters of the Matrix at best.
Beyonder wasn't only outside of creation,
Beyonder was completely disconnected from the Multiverse,
an entire separate reality. (like another company is the best way to describe it)
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Anyway,
if all of Reality was an Multiverse back in those glorious Pre-Rectonn Beyonder days,
and this Multiverse is now only an small Part of the larger Marvel Omniverse, wouldn't that mean that the Multiverse was depowerded too?
Nah.
The Prime Multiverse contains 99% of all the power in Marvel.
It was never depowered, one can argue it was in fact empowered further,
when we consider new characters that have performed incredible feats,
like Protege, Wanda, Alien Entity, Edifice Rex, Vanguaard, to name a few.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
It's Infinity is limited by the infinity of the larger Omniversal infinity.
Scale is nothing, it's the power to do what you want with said scale that counts.
But, for the record, the prime Multiverse > rest of the Omniverse. (not in scale, but power)
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Hence
the DC Infinity of the "single" DC-Multiverse = the Infinity of the Pre-Rectonn Marvel Multiverse = the infinity of the new Marvel Omniverse >>>>>>>> the new Marvel Multiverses?
Nah.
The infinity of the of the Prime Multiverse has always been the same,
well not exactly,
it went from nigh-infinite in 1983,
to infinite in 1984,
to beyond infinite in 1990.
(this is aside from realities outside the Multiverse,
but still connected to the Marvelverse.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So we can say that the DC Multiverse (all of DCs Reality)>>>>>>> an Marvel Multiverse (small Part of all Reality).
DC Multiversal threats = Marvels Omniversal Threats >>>>>>> Marvel Multiversal Threats
Too much calculating good friend..
Simply put, nowadays,
DC = Marvel.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Well, the Terms are used in different ways by both companies, but who cares
Omniverse specifically translates to "all UniverseS"
whether it's a Multiverse, or Megaverse.
But we were specifying pre-crisis DC to current Marvel,
in which case in size > current Marvel > DC pre-crisis.
Now again,
I believe that nowadays both companies are equal in size,
regardless of terms.
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