Blade vs. Captain America

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DestinyGuy678
Blades sword is adamantium, the rest is standard

Battle one: Forest and Night
Battle two: standard arena/colosseum start 100 meters apart

Entity
I know everyones gonna probably say Cap but Cap's all peak human. Blade's all atleast slightly above peak human.

Blade takes it!

Harbinger
Cap takes both, IMO; given his vibranium shield, I'm not sure what giving Blade an adamantium sword does extra for him. Cap can easily block, dodge, or even break the sword. Plus, he's at peak human levels and extremely skilled. Blade is badass, but I'd give Cap the first match 6/10 and the second one 8/10.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Harbinger
Cap takes both, IMO; given his vibranium shield, I'm not sure what giving Blade an adamantium sword does extra for him. Cap can easily block, dodge, or even break the sword. Plus, he's at peak human levels and extremely skilled. Blade is badass, but I'd give Cap the first match 6/10 and the second one 8/10. blade is on super human levels and surpasses captain america in strength, durability, speed, and agility

he also has more range weapons (bullets probably wouldnt touch captain america though

Soljer
Cap.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
blade is on super human levels and surpasses captain america in strength, durability, speed, and agility


No.

Captain America is superior to Blade in every way. Captain America has better feats of strength, he has better feats of speed and agility and better feats of durability. Repeat: Captain America is better than Blade in every possible way.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he also has more range weapons (bullets probably wouldnt touch captain america though

That's true.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No.

Captain America is superior to Blade in every way. Captain America has better feats of strength, he has better feats of speed and agility and better feats of durability. Repeat: Captain America is better than Blade in every possible way.



That's true. hoow? I supposed captain america can survive being shot...oh wait

or a crashlanding aboard a shileld plane

and what strength or speed feats does he have to put him above blade?

who is peak vampire which is > peak human

Soljer
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No.

Captain America is superior to Blade in every way. Captain America has better feats of strength, he has better feats of speed and agility and better feats of durability. Repeat: Captain America is better than Blade in every possible way.



Not true. If you went by handbooks alone, Blade'd be superior.

Cap has better feats in every possible scenario, though. Agreed there.

Soljer
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
hoow? I supposed captain america can survive being shot...oh wait


Cap took a bullet to the head and lived. He took more than seven bullets to the arm and was fine.

Not to mention the fact that he doesn't need to survive being shot. He dodges bullets like they were ping pong balls.


or a crashlanding aboard a shileld plane
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
peak vampire which is > peak human

Lovely ABC logic, there. Cap's feats > Blade's feats. That's all that really matters, no matter what the handbooks may lead you to believe.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Soljer
Cap took a bullet to the head and lived. He took more than seven bullets to the arm and was fine.

Not to mention the fact that he doesn't need to survive being shot. He dodges bullets like they were ping pong balls.


or a crashlanding aboard a shileld plane


Lovely ABC logic, there. Cap's feats > Blade's feats. That's all that really matters, no matter what the handbooks may lead you to believe. not abc logic its the truth, and I love the examples youve given t odemonstrate caps glorious feats

Soljer
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
not abc logic its the truth, and I love the examples youve given t odemonstrate caps glorious feats

Hypocrite. doped.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Soljer
Hypocrite. doped. given examples of durability, not to mention once again vampires are stronger than humans in general ( a normal vampire was able to surprise luke cage with his strength)

snoopdogg
Blade is physically superior to Captain America. But Cap. has a record of beating people he shouldn't on paper.

Soljer
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
vampires are stronger than humans in general

Which is relevant...how?

Cap's not the general human.

Soljer
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blade is physically superior to Captain America.

Nah.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
But Cap. has a record of beating people he shouldn't on paper.

Yup.

Eel O'Brian
A vote for Cap is a vote for racism. smurph

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
hoow? I supposed captain america can survive being shot...oh wait


Captain America has survived being shot many, many times. The fact that he even died from being shot in Civil War was directly attributed to the cuffs he was wearing that inhibited his strength.

... nice work ignoring the context of his death though.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
or a crashlanding aboard a shileld plane


He has survived worse than that...

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and what strength or speed feats does he have to put him above blade?


All of them? Go look at his respect threat or read some comics. Captain America has feats that are vastely superior to Blade.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
who is peak vampire which is > peak human


Captain America is superhuman. He has been called superhuman many times on panel AND he has feats to back it up.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Soljer
Not true. If you went by handbooks alone, Blade'd be superior.

Cap has better feats in every possible scenario, though. Agreed there.

And since the handbooks don't matter, I'm right. cool

Scoobless
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
Blades sword is adamantium, the rest is standard

What benefit do you believe changing his sword to adamantium would give him? seriously?

wink

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Scoobless
What benefit do you believe changing his sword to adamantium would give him? seriously?

wink just so his sword wouldnt break too easily

DestinyGuy678
Im checking a respect thread for captain america and so far I havent seen muc hthat puts his speed above blade from what I've seen blade is more durable (when captain america survived the plane crash he was down for a little before getting up) but what feats are you saying put captain america above blade?

Daredevil1
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
hoow? I supposed captain america can survive being shot...oh wait

You do know Cap had strength dampeners when he was shot right? Even Spiderman stated those would take a lot out of him.

Outside from that Cap has healed from a bullet to the head. He was even proclaimed dead.

He even took bullets from Sharon in vol 3. As Cap asserted he can heal from bullets because he's "built that way".



Cap's damage soak is up there thats for sure.

Even worse from Spiderman/Ironman and then some.(high-feats Cap has other feats similar to this one as well)
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0020ke1.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0021rz1.jpg
http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0022nz4.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0006hc1.jpg
http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0007nc4.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0008dd0.jpg


(standard feats)
Survives a building size explosion.
http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca24015cz1.jpg
Without shield or suit Cap survives a extreme high airplane crash.
http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica20704co4.jpg
http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica20705lx5.jpg
Jumps out of helicopter and leaves small foot craters on ground.
http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page30wa0.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page31tq3.jpg

Jumps out of helicopter onto vehicle.
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punisherbloodglory0335ct8.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punisherbloodglory0336ch8.jpg



He has feats like catching WW2 torpedos on the move. To even mangling up a thick steel door. He has broken out of shield holding unit and has even shattered out of cryogenic freezing. To many feats of breaking chains.

Honestly handbooks don't do him much justice. His speed feats border on the insane level at times. But regularly he is declared faster by characters like Daredevil, Punisher, Atlantean, and even Ironfist stated he's never seen someone with Cap's strength/speed combination IIRC. And thats coming from someone who is enhanced by Dragon chi at that.



By handbooks yes. By the books not so much.

Marvelknight
Captain America, 8.5/10.

Juk3n
SPITE - it is IMPOSSIBLE to argue the facts of Blades physical superiority when vs. Captain America - Cap has too many feats FOR ANYONE ON KMC to argue against - with Caps feats it is possible to match HIM with ANYONE on Marvel / DC earth, and his sheer number of feats would give him a fighting chance vs anyone.

SPITE all day long - Blade needs about 100 more books, to begin to stand a chance...on paper.

Cap IS the peakest Human on the planet no doubt he is numero uno!

He has just done some very super human things.

Soljer
Originally posted by Juk3n
with Caps feats it is possible to match HIM with ANYONE

Lucifer.

Ha-Son
Cap.

~The Wickerman~
Originally posted by Soljer
Lucifer.

bat hi went agenst thanos wt de IG!!!11 durfist

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Daredevil1
You do know Cap had strength dampeners when he was shot right? Even Spiderman stated those would take a lot out of him.

Outside from that Cap has healed from a bullet to the head. He was even proclaimed dead.

He even took bullets from Sharon in vol 3. As Cap asserted he can heal from bullets because he's "built that way".



Cap's damage soak is up there thats for sure.

Even worse from Spiderman/Ironman and then some.(high-feats Cap has other feats similar to this one as well)
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0020ke1.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0021rz1.jpg
http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0022nz4.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0006hc1.jpg
http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0007nc4.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0008dd0.jpg


(standard feats)
Survives a building size explosion.
http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca24015cz1.jpg
Without shield or suit Cap survives a extreme high airplane crash.
http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica20704co4.jpg
http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica20705lx5.jpg
Jumps out of helicopter and leaves small foot craters on ground.
http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page30wa0.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page31tq3.jpg

Jumps out of helicopter onto vehicle.
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punisherbloodglory0335ct8.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punisherbloodglory0336ch8.jpg



He has feats like catching WW2 torpedos on the move. To even mangling up a thick steel door. He has broken out of shield holding unit and has even shattered out of cryogenic freezing. To many feats of breaking chains.

Honestly handbooks don't do him much justice. His speed feats border on the insane level at times. But regularly he is declared faster by characters like Daredevil, Punisher, Atlantean, and even Ironfist stated he's never seen someone with Cap's strength/speed combination IIRC. And thats coming from someone who is enhanced by Dragon chi at that.



By handbooks yes. By the books not so much.
soorry it was my fault I didnt read the respect thread, but blade has done exactly the same things with les damage

while the plane crash put captai namerica down for a minute or two, blade is perfectly fine:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladecrash.jpg (and ,maybe my opinion, but the explosion seems bigger)
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladecrash2.jpg


while captain america is in much pain after his building explosion blade is fine after being i nthe explosion of a nuclear facility
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeKorea2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeKorea3.jpg
now you could argue he was out of range when it blew up so heres another example:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills4.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills5.jpg

as for the civil war fight neither ironman or spiderman were trying to kill him....that fight did upset me though I wanted captain america to win sad

srankmissingnin
If someone said to you "You are going to be in a plane crash. You can pick the air craft and you have two options: a SHIELD Helicarrier or a small air plane," who in their right mind would pick the air? You have a much better chance of survive a crash in a SHIELD Helicarrier than a standard air plane.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If someone said to you "You are going to be in a plane crash. You can pick the air craft and you have two options: a SHIELD Helicarrier or a small air plane," who in their right mind would pick the air? You have a much better chance of survive a crash in a SHIELD Helicarrier than a standard air plane. ....except for the fcact it pretty much vaporized on impact

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
....except for the fcact it pretty much vaporized on impact

No it wasn't... confused

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No it wasn't... confused than the large explosion aws what? it was much greater than the explosion from the standard plane which put cap down for a little bit

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
than the large explosion aws what? it was much greater than the explosion from the standard plane which put cap down for a little bit

...

The Helicarrier wasn't "practically vaporised." Look at the scans, the outer hull of the ship is fine and sustained virtual no structural damage from the crash or the explosion. The explosion took place outside the ship, Blade was on the inside of the carrier. The force of the plane's explosion would hit Captain America, the Helicarrier's wouldn't touch Blade.


Difference between Captain America walking away from a plane crash (which didn't put him down for a minute or two as you keep saying) and Blade walking out of the Helicarrier crash is the same as the difference between surviving a grenade going off in your face or being on the twentieth floor of a sky scrapper when someone bombs the lobby. Captain America's feat is much more impressive.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
...

The Helicarrier wasn't "practically vaporised." Look at the scans, the outer hull of the ship is fine and sustained virtual no structural damage from the crash or the explosion. The explosion took place outside the ship, Blade was on the inside of the carrier. The force of the plane's explosion would hit Captain America, the Helicarrier's wouldn't touch Blade.


Difference between Captain America walking away from a plane crash (which didn't put him down for a minute or two as you keep saying) and Blade walking out of the Helicarrier crash is the same as the difference between surviving a grenade going off in your face or being on the twentieth floor of a sky scrapper when someone bombs the lobby. Captain America's feat is much more impressive.
how would the helicarrier explode on the outside if whats blowing up is on the inside

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
how would the helicarrier explode on the outside if whats blowing up is on the inside

The engines and propellers are on the outside of the Helicarrier.

YFZ 350
People survived the plane crash Cap was in. Everyone died in the craft that crashed with Blade on it save Blade himself.

BTW Blade is stronger, faster, better healer, etc. than Cap is. But Cap has that monsterous jobber aura that is hard to get by and a skills edge for advantages.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by YFZ 350
People survived the plane crash Cap was in. Everyone died in the craft that crashed with Blade on it save Blade himself.

BTW Blade is stronger, faster, better healer, etc. than Cap is. But Cap has that monsterous jobber aura that is hard to get by and a skills edge for advantages.

No. Captain America was the only person who walked away from the crash and Blade wasn't the only survivor his crash... the only "living" thing other than Blade still on the carrier when it crashed also lived; everyone else escaped prior to crash.

BTW Captain America is stronger, faster, better healer, etc. than Blade is.

YFZ 350
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No. Captain America was the only person who walked away from the crash and Blade wasn't the only survivor his crash... the only "living" thing other than Blade still on the carrier when it crashed also lived; everyone else escaped prior to crash.

BTW Captain America is stronger, faster, better healer, etc. than Blade is. LOL!

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by YFZ 350
LOL!

Find the best example of Blade's strength and I'll give you Captain America doing something much more impressive. Find the best example of Blade's speed and I'll give you Captain America doing something much more impressive. Every single thing Blade has ever done Captain America has done better, anyone who has ever read a comic book can tell you that.

Blade has never done anything to place him on the same level of speed, strength or durability as Captain America. The only thing resembling a reason for Blade > Captain America that anyone can provide is that Blade is a vampire and Captain America is a "human." Actions speak louder than words and Captain America's actions say he is much better than Blade in every way.

No rational person can make an arguement for Blade being superior to Captain America when every single piece of evidance supports the opposite. The only "advantage" Blade has is a meaningless title; he is a vampire - big deal - that means less than nothing. You can't assume Blade is stronger and make an arguement on blind faith based on the idea that a vampire > a human when Captain America has already proven it wrong.

YFZ 350
I also noticed Cap had to take a few minutes to catch himself after his small plane crashed into the jungle tree's while Blade was up and ready to fight a ancient demon.

YFZ 350
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
much more impressive. Every single thing Blade has ever done Captain America has done better, anyone who has ever read a comic book can tell you that.

LOL! Ok, maybe you should email Marvel and tell them to start reading their own comics.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by YFZ 350
I also noticed Cap had to take a few minutes to catch himself after his small plane crashed into the jungle tree's while Blade was up and ready to fight a ancient demon.

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...

...

Are you daft?

Captain America was in small air craft. When that thing slammed into the ground their was no where for Captain America to go, there was nothing to absorb the force of the impact, Blade was inside a massive Helicarrier... are you really so stupid you don't know which you would be more likely to surivie? The fact that the air plane was small makes surviving the crash more impressive. And Captain America's plane crashed nose first into the ground, the Helicarrier came in on enough of an angle that it landed on it's bottom. They aren't even comparable feats, Captain America's is about a hundred times more impressive. It's like you are bragging to a guy who crashed his motorcycle into a wall at 120 mph and walked away that you survived a bus crash in a school zone.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by YFZ 350
LOL! Ok, maybe you should email Marvel and tell them to start reading their own comics.

...

I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. confused

I'm sure that Marvel is well aware that Captain America is Blade's superior in virtually every way.

YFZ 350
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
...

I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. confused

I'm sure that Marvel is well aware that Captain America is Blade's superior in virtually every way. Then why would the handbooks state Blade as superhuman and Cap as peak human?

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by YFZ 350
Then why would the handbooks state Blade as superhuman and Cap as peak human?

Because the hand books don't matter and are full of multiple inaccuracies?

YFZ 350
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because the hand books don't matter and are full of multiple inaccuracies? And comics aren't! My god one issue Wolverine can heal from a nuclear explosion and the next he's put down by a friggin werewolf.

YFZ 350
That's why we have handbooks to sort this mess out.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by YFZ 350
And comics aren't! My god one issue Wolverine can heal from a nuclear explosion and the next he's put down by a friggin werewolf.

Comics are primary cannon. Handbooks are meaningless nothing. Most people here on KMC have read enough of a character's appearances to have an understanding of how that character operates the majority of the time so they ignore the inconsistencies.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by YFZ 350
That's why we have handbooks to sort this mess out.

Using a handbook is about as credible as saying "I have a t-shirt where it looks like Captain America is beating Blade." Handbooks are garbage and mean absolutely nothing. Fact. End of discussion. Comics are primary canon they override every thing else, nothing else even matters.

If you are basing your opinions on handbook entries then you aren't qualified to post in this thread.

Daredevil1
Originally posted by YFZ 350
That's why we have handbooks to sort this mess out.

Handbooks are good for being a rough draft the books are the conclusions.

Daredevil1
Originally posted by YFZ 350
People survived the plane crash Cap was in.


Proof?

Daredevil1
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678


as for the civil war fight neither ironman or spiderman were trying to kill him


Indeed but here we have a bloodlust-Ironman feat which is still better then the high end feats that Blades has.

The standards Blades hasn't shown to out due Cap anyhow.

Eel O'Brian
Srank pwns, and I love him for it.

That is all.

Dr.Crankenstein
Cap might win the fight. But I think Blade is physically superior to Cap.

And as far as the crashes go Blade's looks to be the far more impressive one. Cap's was smaller and he landed in a dense jungle so the tree's would have taken some of the impact as to where Blade's ship crashed into the dirt.

Dr.Crankenstein
By the way comparing feats is like using ABC logic. And well we all know how people feel about that....

Mindset
Originally posted by Dr.Crankenstein
By the way comparing feats is like using ABC logic. And well we all know how people feel about that....

That's a new one.

Daredevil1
Fine here another high end feat for Cap. No jungle no plane. A insane high fall.

Reed says Cap is traveling at 100 mph and he lands on the rocky thing and crashes on top of him. This is a very "high"end feat mind you.

http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strangetales160101zn8.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strangetales161021pm3.jpg


No jungle no impressive hell carrier.

chilled monkey
Originally posted by Dr.Crankenstein
By the way comparing feats is like using ABC logic. And well we all know how people feel about that....

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!

Good one.

That's like saying "we're debating this, so we'll ignore the actual FACTS about those involved."

Comparing feats is the ONLY way to get an accurate result, because it ignores the 'hypotheticals' and looks at what is actually canon.

chilled monkey
Originally posted by YFZ 350
That's why we have handbooks to sort this mess out.

The same handbooks that for example, state that Nightwing is the 2nd best martial artist in the DC Universe? Even though in the actual canon, numerous characters have proved themselves better than him?

Basically you're saying we should ignore the actual facts and go by what "handbooks" say like they're some kind of sacred text, even when there's absolutely no proof to back them up?

Daredevil1
Originally posted by Dr.Crankenstein
But I think Blade is physically superior to Cap.




Looks in thread................................

Physical Superiority evidence???

Checks thread again.

Nope its not here.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Dr.Crankenstein
By the way comparing feats is like using ABC logic. And well we all know how people feel about that....

Ha ha! Yeah baby! KMC strikes again with the wackness! haermm

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The engines and propellers are on the outside of the Helicarrier. the crash and explosions tore up the hull though, it was much more devastating that the crash captain america was in

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Indeed but here we have a bloodlust-Ironman feat which is still better then the high end feats that Blades has.

The standards Blades hasn't shown to out due Cap anyhow. Ironman wasnt bloodlusted though....the fight was easy for him, captain america couldnt land a hit ironman just laned hits trying to KO him, a bloodlusted ironman would have captain america out in one move

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Fine here another high end feat for Cap. No jungle no plane. A insane high fall.

Reed says Cap is traveling at 100 mph and he lands on the rocky thing and crashes on top of him. This is a very "high"end feat mind you.

http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strangetales160101zn8.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strangetales161021pm3.jpg


No jungle no impressive hell carrier.
....except mr fantastic was there to slow most of his fall and the thing took the rest of the impact from him

Daredevil1
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
Ironman wasnt bloodlusted though....the fight was easy for him, captain america couldnt land a hit ironman just laned hits trying to KO him, a bloodlusted ironman would have captain america out in one move


Yes he was. He was a berserker like the other zombies and was punching Cap left and right.

Thats a huge "durability"feat for Cap.

Daredevil1
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
....except mr fantastic was there to slow most of his fall and the thing took the rest of the impact from him


Actually mr fantastic admits he couldn't even stop him. He was moving to fast.

Plus it doesn't say he slowed him down at all anywhere? Thats just assumption on your part.

Yeah the thing took the impact but so did Cap. Last I checked the Thing isn't a water balloon to land softly on. The things harder then rock.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
the crash and explosions tore up the hull though, it was much more devastating that the crash captain america was in

No it didn't. You can see the ship in the scans - there is virtually no structural damage done to the hull of the ship.

Captain America would have taken the brunt of the impact of the crash, because of the sheer size and area of the Helicarrier Blade would have taken virtually zero by comparison - much of the impact would be distrbuted through out the helicarrier.

Raoul
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ha ha! Yeah baby! KMC strikes again with the wackness! haermm

Don't do that again.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yes he was. He was a berserker like the other zombies and was punching Cap left and right.

Thats a huge "durability"feat for Cap. ..what zombies the scans he provided were of the civil war fight ironman was just trying to KO cap not kill him all of his blows were for that purpose

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No it didn't. You can see the ship in the scans - there is virtually no structural damage done to the hull of the ship.

Captain America would have taken the brunt of the impact of the crash, because of the sheer size and area of the Helicarrier Blade would have taken virtually zero by comparison - much of the impact would be distrbuted through out the helicarrier. the ship was in tact everything in it was destroyed, fires were roaring and the ship was falling apart the fires inside the ship would indictate the explosion occured inside the ship as well

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually mr fantastic admits he couldn't even stop him. He was moving to fast.

Plus it doesn't say he slowed him down at all anywhere? Thats just assumption on your part.

Yeah the thing took the impact but so did Cap. Last I checked the Thing isn't a water balloon to land softly on. The things harder then rock. mr fantastic grabs him a couple of meters before he lands and was extering force trying to catch him, it slowed his fall allowing thing to take the rest of the impact, captain america obviously isnt durable enoug hto survive a fall like that if the punches ironman gave him broke his bones

DestinyGuy678
again if we compare the building explosion feats we see blade can take one and be fine while captain america was staggering and dazed

http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca24015cz1.jpg


while captain america is in much pain after his building explosion blade is fine after being i nthe explosion of a nuclear facility
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeKorea2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeKorea3.jpg
and a building explosion equal to the one cap took
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills4.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills5.jpg

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Dr.Crankenstein
By the way comparing feats is like using ABC logic. And well we all know how people feel about that.... Interesting.

That's like saying Cap has done this and that and Blade has not. Therefore Blade cannot do it.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
the ship was in tact everything in it was destroyed, fires were roaring and the ship was falling apart the fires inside the ship would indictate the explosion occured inside the ship as well

The inside of the ship wasn't in that bad of shape at all. The crash impact knocked some of the machinery lose, broke a few and started a few fires.

And Blade is the one who blew up that factory. He set the charges himself... it would be stupid to assume that he triggered them while he was still inside.

Daredevil1
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
..what zombies the scans he provided were of the civil war fight ironman was just trying to KO cap not kill him all of his blows were for that purpose



I meant this one.

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Daredevil1
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
mr fantastic grabs him a couple of meters before he lands and was extering force trying to catch him, it slowed his fall allowing thing to take the rest of the impact, captain america obviously isnt durable enoug hto survive a fall like that if the punches ironman gave him broke his bones


It doesn't even show the "grab" though. If you assume that, I get to assume he touched him before a attempted grab, as Cap's body knocked his open hands out of the way. Considering the speed he was traveling. As it showed no signs of really grabbing or slowing him down.

Since we both can assume two different things that part becomes irrelevant for the feat IMO.

But since I suppose that feat becomes questionable. Cap still has the high blood lusted Ironman and taking hits from Namor as well.

Bottom line Blade hasn't shown superiority as of yet. Plus considering that Logan's hits affected him and vice of virca of course. Its a moot point.

Cap has the means to hurt him and is close to his stats and is more skilled to boot.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Daredevil1
It doesn't even show the "grab" though. If you assume that, I get to assume he touched him before a attempted grab, as Cap's body knocked his open hands out of the way. Considering the speed he was traveling. As it showed no signs of really grabbing or slowing him down.

Since we both can assume two different things that part becomes irrelevant for the feat IMO.

But since I suppose that feat becomes questionable. Cap still has the high blood lusted Ironman and taking hits from Namor as well.

Bottom line Blade hasn't shown superiority as of yet. Plus considering that Logan's hits affected him and vice of virca of course. Its a moot point.

Cap has the means to hurt him and is close to his stats and is more skilled to boot.

it shows mr fantastic reching for ihm while hes still a couple of yard s in the air, and in the next panel his arms are around him...that looks like a catch to me

and when has he faught a high blood lusted ironman?

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and a building explosion equal to the one cap took
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The explotion Blade was in didn't injure anyone. I didn't injure Blade. I didn't injure the vampire Blade was fighting. I didn't even injure Blade's human friend was tied up against a wall no more than five feet away from Blade. The explotion Captain America was in actual did some damage other than blowing some windows and a small section of the wall.

Blade isn't anywhere near a durble as Cap.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The explotion Blade was in didn't injure anyone. I didn't injure Blade. I didn't injure the vampire Blade was fighting. I didn't even injure Blade's human friend was tied up against a wall no more than five feet away from Blade. The explotion Captain America was in actual did some damage other than blowing some windows and a small section of the wall.

Blade isn't anywhere near a durble as Cap. the explosion pretty much decimated the the entire floor very similar to the explosion captainamerica took, if you look a mailbox is wretched off o fthe sidewalk into the street meaning the blast was very powerful (seeing as mailboxes are nailed to the ground) and blades human friend isnt shown in the scans after the explosion
and again the VAMPIRE blade was fighting, who is just as durable as blade, is blade survived it easily ofcourse the vampire would too

and you proof for caps explosion being bigger is because it hurt cap....other than that the damage was virtually the same

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
the explosion pretty much decimated the the entire floor very similar to the explosion captainamerica took, if you look a mailbox is wretched off o fthe sidewalk into the street meaning the blast was very powerful (seeing as mailboxes are nailed to the ground) and blades human friend isnt shown in the scans after the explosion
and again the VAMPIRE blade was fighting, who is just as durable as blade, is blade survived it easily ofcourse the vampire would too

He is on the next page in the comic. There was Blade, the guy Blade was fighting, Blade's friend, two other vampires and an unconscious chick in the room when it exploded. Not one of them was injured. It was a tame explotion.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He is on the next page in the comic. There was Blade, the guy Blade was fighting, Blade's friend, two other vampires and an unconscious chick in the room when it exploded. Not one of them was injured. It was a tame explotion. apparentlynot, if you look at the force of the explosion it tore a mailbox of the ground and thre it into the street as well as blew the windows out annd enflamed the building and one of the vampires was covered in ruble, vampires are mor edurable than humans so ofcourse they survived

DestinyGuy678
I also notice this is being ignored:
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srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
apparentlynot, if you look at the force of the explosion it tore a mailbox of the ground and thre it into the street as well as blew the windows out annd enflamed the building and one of the vampires was covered in ruble, vampires are mor edurable than humans so ofcourse they survived

No one was injured, no ones clothes where even turn, burnt or singed. Not Blade's, not Bible John's, not any of the three vampires and not the unconscious woman. No one was injured. The entire bases of your claim that Blade is more durable because he survived that explosion, means that you assume it is outside of Captain America's ability to accomplish the same... and yet regular humans survived the same explosion with out injuring a single hair on their head. It isn't impressive that Blade survived that explosion... because that explosion not only didn't kill anyone... it didn't even manage to injure anyone.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He is on the next page in the comic. There was Blade, the guy Blade was fighting, Blade's friend, two other vampires and an unconscious chick in the room when it exploded. Not one of them was injured. It was a tame explotion. Vampires should be able to survive a attack like that as they are more durable than Cap is. And Blade told Bible John to take cover before he blew the building up.

Quit hating. It's a legit feat.

snoopdogg
Bible John even states a few pages later that he's surprised Blade can stand after watching a building collapse on him. Sh!t Blade wasn't even a daywalker yet.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
I also notice this is being ignored:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeKorea2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladeKorea3.jpg

Blade set the charges and blew up the plant himself, it would be idiotic to assume that he blew up the joint while he was inside. All we know is A) Blade blew up the factory and B) some flames managed to get close to where he was standing. The incident is ambiguous and proves nothing because we don't know Blade's location in relationship to the blast.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade set the charges and blew up the plant himself, it would be idiotic to assume that he blew up the joint while he was inside. All we know is A) Blade blew up the factory and B) some flames managed to get close to where he was standing. The incident is ambiguous and proves nothing because we don't know Blade's location in relationship to the blast. do you know the amount of radiation blade was exposed to by being that close the the blast, and blade was engulfed in flames in the picture, and again the amount of radiation alone would eat a normal man fro mthe inside out i na matter of days

Daredevil1
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
it shows mr fantastic reching for ihm while hes still a couple of yard s in the air, and in the next panel his arms are around him...that looks like a catch to me

and when has he faught a high blood lusted ironman?

Now that I re-looked at that panel. I'll concede that its possible he did slow him down a bit maybe a decimal, but considering Reed couldn't stop him.

Plus the fact that the "The Thing" who has taken shots from Hulk, Thor, and Ironman. The Thing actually loses his wind as Cap crashes on him as Ben saids,"OOOFTH!" As its hard to knock the wind out of the Thing with his class 80 strength/durability. I'd say its still rather impressive. Thing even admits it was a rough job or in this case impact.

Blood lusted Ironman? In a annual right here.
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Daredevil1
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
do you know the amount of radiation blade was exposed

Radiation impressive but Cap's done that in a nuclear containment unit. Two of those didn't think it was possible what Cap did.
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chilled monkey
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Vampires should be able to survive a attack like that as they are more durable than Cap is. And Blade told Bible John to take cover before he blew the building up.

Quit hating. It's a legit feat.

How about the unconcious woman who was also completely unscathed?

Who's hating? No one's questioning that it's "a legit feat." We're just pointing out that Cap has done the same and better.

Heck, if anything it's the pro-Blade side that's hating.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Radiation impressive but Cap's done that in a nuclear containment unit. Two of those didn't think it was possible what Cap did.
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Super-Soldier

"The next step in human evolution. The Perfect Man."-Dr.Reinstein

My man. big grin

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Radiation impressive but Cap's done that in a nuclear containment unit. Two of those didn't think it was possible what Cap did.
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Super-Soldier

"The next step in human evolution. The Perfect Man."-Dr.Reinstein that is barely better than what blade has done, especially since he says he would be toast a while ago, meaning his shield was absorbing most of the radiation, blade had no protection to the free radiation being immitted after the facility had been blown up, from where he was standing the fall out wouldve been about the same as that of a nuclear bomb or worse

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Now that I re-looked at that panel. I'll concede that its possible he did slow him down a bit maybe a decimal, but considering Reed couldn't stop him.

Plus the fact that the "The Thing" who has taken shots from Hulk, Thor, and Ironman. The Thing actually loses his wind as Cap crashes on him as Ben saids,"OOOFTH!" As its hard to knock the wind out of the Thing with his class 80 strength/durability. I'd say its still rather impressive. Thing even admits it was a rough job or in this case impact.

Blood lusted Ironman? In a annual right here.
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never said it wasnt impressive, simply that mr fatastic also took much force out of the fall

and again that is pretty impressive taking the hits fro mironman, yet he only took two and that was about to kill him, the problem with blade is with the opponents hes been up against its hard to rank them with other mainstream heroes,

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by chilled monkey
How about the unconcious woman who was also completely unscathed?

Who's hating? No one's questioning that it's "a legit feat." We're just pointing out that Cap has done the same and better.

Heck, if anything it's the pro-Blade side that's hating. better has yet to be shown

Daredevil1
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
that is barely better than what blade has done, especially since he says he would be toast a while ago, meaning his shield was absorbing most of the radiation, blade had no protection to the free radiation being immitted after the facility had been blown up, from where he was standing the fall out wouldve been about the same as that of a nuclear bomb or worse

Barely better is barely better. Plus Blades clothes weren't even affected by his feat as Cap's clothes was if you noticed. The shield can absorb an area only so much.

It absorbs energy the shield but only so much. Cap holds shield and can block class 100 hits Thor/Glad hits. An average person holds shield and blocks Thunderball hits and dies.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Barely better is barely better. Plus Blades clothes weren't even affected by his feat as Cap's clothes was if you noticed. The shield can absorb an area only so much.

It absorbs energy the shield but only so much. Cap holds shield and can block class 100 hits Thor/Glad hits. An average person holds shield and blocks Thunderball hits and dies. that is simply artist depiction, same way wolverine ca ntake a nuclear bomb with his pants still be entact

being that close to the nuclear reactor the radiation wouldve been equal to about the same as an atomic bomb

and I fail to see how your last point matters, he states his shield was saving him big time or he wouldve been dead long ago meaning the shield was obviously absorbing much of the radiation

Daredevil1
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
never said it wasnt impressive, simply that mr fatastic also took much force out of the fall

and again that is pretty impressive taking the hits fro mironman, yet he only took two and that was about to kill him, the problem with blade is with the opponents hes been up against its hard to rank them with other mainstream heroes,



Took much force. Thats your assumption considering that the Thing has taken building falls, class 80 hits, and wrecks without getting the wind knocked out of him shows Mr. Fantastic didn't help that much at all.

Again no were did it say they were about to kill him and it was 3 hits. Cap actually stated he could do that all day.

Well then until you find Blade taking shots from Ironman and then a "bloodlusted" then get back to us. Cap has the slightly "better" durability feats going by the books.

I bet Cap has the slightly better speed feats as well.

Daredevil1
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
that is simply artist depiction, same way wolverine ca ntake a nuclear bomb with his pants still be entact

being that close to the nuclear reactor the radiation wouldve been equal to about the same as an atomic bomb

and I fail to see how your last point matters, he states his shield was saving him big time or he wouldve been dead long ago meaning the shield was obviously absorbing much of the radiation


The shield varies according to writer depiction. I can use your excuses since thats what your doing. And I fail to see how that matters since Cap quit using the shield to protect him and used the shield to strike his way out of a nuclear containment hull.

By that logic I can say if Blade was in the center of his blast he would've been dead long ago meaning his clothes would've been affected and it would have portrayed him withstanding the main impact but it didn't.

See I can make excuses too.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Took much force. Thats your assumption considering that the Thing has taken building falls, class 80 hits, and wrecks without getting the wind knocked out of him shows Mr. Fantastic didn't help that much at all.

Again no were did it say they were about to kill him and it was 3 hits. Cap actually stated he could do that all day.

Well then until you find Blade taking shots from Ironman and then a "bloodlusted" then get back to us. Cap has the slightly "better" durability feats going by the books.

I bet Cap has the slightly better speed feats as well.
he still took force out of the fall, he had him when he was stil many yards in the air and was exerting force meaning he was slowing his fall, no where does it state ben had the wind knocked out of him, the "ooomph" can be from ben simply diving to the ground to catch him or simply to show benn took the impact, simply saying oomph doesnt mean he had the wind knocked out of him

and it was stated captain america was merely egging ironman on and angering him, looking at the panels its obvious captain america was about to die, and said he would've had ironman not snapped out of it in time.

and blade doesnt fight heroes, captain america getting himself beat up no way puts him above blade in durability

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Daredevil1
The shield varies according to writer depiction. I can use your excuses since thats what your doing. And I fail to see how that matters since Cap quit using the shield to protect him and used the shield to strike his way out of a nuclear containment hull.

By that logic I can say if Blade was in the center of his blast he would've been dead long ago meaning his clothes would've been affected and it would have portrayed him withstanding the main impact but it didn't.

See I can make excuses too. no the difference is Im using whats stated, captain america STATED he wouldve died long ago if he didnt have his shield, captain america took a couple of seconds of bare radiation before he broke out of the containment unit.

and the fact again is he was rigth next to a nuclear reactor after it had blow nup, he couldve been miles away and he stilll wouldve been affeected with radiation equal to hiroshima, however the fact that he is standing in the flames of the explosion means he cant be far away from it and thus iis being exposed to very high levels of radiation

Daredevil1
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he still took force out of the fall, he had him when he was stil many yards in the air and was exerting force meaning he was slowing his fall, no where does it state ben had the wind knocked out of him, the "ooomph" can be from ben simply diving to the ground to catch him or simply to show benn took the impact, simply saying oomph doesnt mean he had the wind knocked out of him

and it was stated captain america was merely egging ironman on and angering him, looking at the panels its obvious captain america was about to die, and said he would've had ironman not snapped out of it in time.

and blade doesnt fight heroes, captain america getting himself beat up no way puts him above blade in durability


Its a sign that wind left him unwillingly. The Thing even states it was the rough job.


Thats your assumption he was about to die. Here you use assumption.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no the difference is Im using whats stated, captain america STATED he wouldve died long ago if he didnt have his shield

Here you use what Cap saids against him for the radiation.

Lets see what does Cap saids on taking IM hits?

"And spar with you all day".

In one instances you use what Cap saids because its against him.
In the other since it helps him you don't used it despite it being STATED. Again Cap states he can take more hits.

So again your assuming and picking what you like.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Its a sign that wind left him unwillingly. The Thing even states it was the rough job.


Thats your assumption he was about to die. Here you use assumption.



Here you use what Cap saids against him for the radiation.

Lets see what does Cap saids on taking IM hits?

"And spar with you all day".

In one instances you use what Cap saids because its against him.
In the other since it helps him you don't used it despite it being STATED. Again Cap states he can take more hits.

So again your assuming and picking what you like.


....ok looking at this youre going to tel me captain america was fine?

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that and captain america says ironman snapped out ofit in time, just in time to save him, and again it is sated before that captain america is just egging him on, he needs ironman to stay on the mountain top so the cold can reverse the zombie effect., and the thing grunting doesnt mean the wind was knocked out of him that is an assumption on your part

DestinyGuy678
both quotes were used in different ways , captain america is talking to himself i nthe first one - so he is obviously telling the truth, second one it is sated captain america is only trying to make ironman angry

Daredevil1
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no the difference is Im using whats stated, captain america STATED he wouldve died long ago if he didnt have his shield, captain america took a couple of seconds of bare radiation before he broke out of the containment unit.

and the fact again is he was rigth next to a nuclear reactor after it had blow nup, he couldve been miles away and he stilll wouldve been affeected with radiation equal to hiroshima, however the fact that he is standing in the flames of the explosion means he cant be far away from it and thus iis being exposed to very high levels of radiation


Do you have the proof that states it equals the radiation to "hiroshima"?

The fact that he's far away and it doesn't say the level of radiation that he's enduring makes it arguable at best at least with Cap we know he took it for a bit without any aid inside the core and even despite the shield absorbing to aid him earlier he was still taking some of it. Plus were is the next scan for that? It doesn't show if Blade stayed there for a while. To my understanding humans can withstand exposure of varying low-levels or radiation anyhow just not long-term.

Daredevil1
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
both quotes were used in different ways , captain america is talking to himself i nthe first one - so he is obviously telling the truth, second one it is sated captain america is only trying to make ironman angry


Its how he grunts shows it as gush coming out that are not words, plus the Thing even admits its rough he "stated" it since you like using whats stated. Making Ironman angry yeah, but he also states he can spar with him all day but wasn't going to get the chance because of the fall trap he was caught in.


Yeah Cap is telling the truth in the first one but is lying in the next one. Shows a double standard on your part.

Cherry picking what you want I see.

Phantom Zone
Anyway.....if you could prove that Blade is slightly more durable or even slightly faster hes still gonna lose. Heres why:

1. Eventhough Blade is a martial arts expert hes still not as good as Cap
2. Cap has hundreds or possibly 1000s of years experience thanks to Korvac.
3. Cap has better MA feats such as learning an alien martial art in 1 day and beating an andriod that downloaded every martial art recorded.
4. I don't think Blade has MA feats where hes been able to stun somebody as powerful as The Hulk.

Blade is good but hes not good enough. Cap 7/10

Juk3n
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Anyway.....if you could prove that Blade is slightly more durable or even slightly faster hes still gonna lose. Heres why:

1. Eventhough Blade is a martial arts expert hes still not as good as Cap
2. Cap has hundreds or possibly 1000s of years experience thanks to Korvac.
3. Cap has better MA feats such as learning an alien martial art in 1 day and beating an andriod that downloaded every martial art recorded.
4. I don't think Blade has MA feats where hes been able to stun somebody as powerful as The Hulk.

Blade is good but hes not good enough. Cap 7/10

He has less feats because he has less story arcs / books. He may be better - but he can never be the winner in a debate like this. IMO it's spite to pair him in a match with one of the top 3 written about characters in Marvel - especially when he JUST makes the top 10. Caps on-panel feats must out number Blades 30-40 to 1 so once again i call spite.

Battlehammer
capt................


blade constantly overestimated, becuases he a vampirer.............which means nothing

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Battlehammer
capt................


blade constantly overestimated, becuases he a vampirer.............which means nothing no ones over estimating blade at all

Battlehammer
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no ones over estimating blade at all
no you clearly are...........you always do.

He not fast, stronger, better stamina, or more agile then capt. He not as skilled as capt and he nto closes to as tactically sound nor are the opponets he faces more dangerous.

so there really no reason to think Blade beats capt any majority of the time.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Do you have the proof that states it equals the radiation to "hiroshima"?

The fact that he's far away and it doesn't say the level of radiation that he's enduring makes it arguable at best at least with Cap we know he took it for a bit without any aid inside the core and even despite the shield absorbing to aid him earlier he was still taking some of it. Plus were is the next scan for that? It doesn't show if Blade stayed there for a while. To my understanding humans can withstand exposure of varying low-levels or radiation anyhow just not long-term. if it was a standard nuclear facility, the cloud of radiation released in the immediate area wouldve been taht extreme

and hes not far away at all, if hes stil lstanding in the flames of the explosion he is definently in range, specially sine the radiation can travel for miles away

and the radiatiion from a nuclear facility is not low level at all, blade is no farther than a couple hundred meters fro mthe explosion seeings as again he is in the flames of the explosion

Battlehammer
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
if it was a standard nuclear facility, the cloud of radiation released in the immediate area wouldve been taht extreme

and hes not far away at all, if hes stil lstanding in the flames of the explosion he is definently in range, specially sine the radiation can travel for miles away

and the radiatiion from a nuclear facility is not low level at all, blade is no farther than a couple hundred meters fro mthe explosion seeings as again he is in the flames of the explosion
your entire arguement is speculation.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Battlehammer
no you clearly are...........you always do.

He not fast, stronger, better stamina, or more agile then capt. He not as skilled as capt and he nto closes to as tactically sound nor are the opponets he faces more dangerous.

so there really no reason to think Blade beats capt any majority of the time. except he has feats that help to assume he is on level, especially since his stas are super human, thats what blades mainstream series was trying to do, by having him fight spiderman and wolverine - trying to place him i nthe mainstream marve lworld and yet people are able to pick at things to make the fight not credible

Battlehammer
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
except he has feats that help to assume he is on level, especially since his stas are super human, thats what blades mainstream series was trying to do, by having him fight spiderman and wolverine - trying to place him i nthe mainstream marve lworld and yet people are able to pick at things to make the fight not credible

with what?

Blade fought a mindless spiderman...............capt fought spiderman as well and fair even better and the spiderman he fought was not mindless.

Blade got stomped on by a weaken wolverine...............capt fair better vs wolverine then blade has............

this is really not helping your arguements.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Its how he grunts shows it as gush coming out that are not words, plus the Thing even admits its rough he "stated" it since you like using whats stated. Making Ironman angry yeah, but he also states he can spar with him all day but wasn't going to get the chance because of the fall trap he was caught in.


Yeah Cap is telling the truth in the first one but is lying in the next one. Shows a double standard on your part.

Cherry picking what you want I see. captain america obviously coulnt take as much as he wanted, if we look at their fight in civil war which lasted longer than two punches, captain america was down in 4-5 punches

in that fight he was simply egging him on, he told ironman to kill him and use everything he had and while hes battered and could barely form the sentence he says he could do it all day - however if you want to use this as evidence

Ill use blade and wolverines fight as proof that blade and wolverine are equals:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladevsWolverine7.jpg

vampires are being understimated, regular average vampires have amazed luke cage with their strength and speed blitzed spiderman - and these are the ordinary vampires that blade kills

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Battlehammer
with what?

Blade fought a mindless spiderman...............capt fought spiderman as well and fair even better and the spiderman he fought was not mindless.

Blade got stomped on by a weaken wolverine...............capt fair better vs wolverine then blade has............

this is really not helping your arguements. thats the thing in a later issue iwas revealed spiderman wasnt mindless and was infact conscience - he remembered pretty much their entire fight and was in control of his actions he wanted t oescape as fast as possible and blade was i nthe way which is why he attacked blade

wolverine wasnt weakened in their fight either, the writer had them stalemate

srankmissingnin
*sigh*

On the topic SHIELD thinking Blade was Wolverine's equal: that proves nothing. In that very same issue it was shown that SHIELD knows virtually nothing about Wolverine - they didn't even know his claws are housed in his forarms! They still though his claws were a bionic attachment for his gloves, for christ sake!

Wolverine easily overpowered Blade despite the fact that he was holding back and had just "gone 15 rounds with Omega Red," who is one of Wolverine's most powerful rogues.

Starscream M
Originally posted by srankmissingnin


On the topic SHIELD thinking Blade was Wolverine's equal: that proves nothing. In that very same issue it was shown that SHIELD knows virtually nothing about Wolverine - they didn't even know his claws where housed in his forarms! They still though his claws were a bionic attachment for his gloves, for christ sake!
so you actually believe that SHIELD doesn't know info that pretty much anyone who matters knows (that logans claws are in his forearms?

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Starscream M
so you actually believe that SHIELD doesn't know info that pretty much anyone who matters knows (that logans claws are in his forearms?

It's right in the story. It's how Wolverine escaped from SHIELD. Apparently it isn't common knowledge; shield thought that power dampeners would stop Wolverine from using his claws.

Soljer
Spiderman?

Wolverine?

What the hell are they doing here?

Captain America wins.

emporerpants
captain america wins. handily.

chilled monkey
Originally posted by Starscream M
so you actually believe that SHIELD doesn't know info that pretty much anyone who matters knows (that logans claws are in his forearms?

Well seeing as that was actually shown to be the case in the actual comic, "believing" has nothing to do with it.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
*sigh*

On the topic SHIELD thinking Blade was Wolverine's equal: that proves nothing. In that very same issue it was shown that SHIELD knows virtually nothing about Wolverine - they didn't even know his claws are housed in his forarms! They still though his claws were a bionic attachment for his gloves, for christ sake!

Wolverine easily overpowered Blade despite the fact that he was holding back and had just "gone 15 rounds with Omega Red," who is one of Wolverine's most powerful rogues. not shield, blade admits it as does wolverine when they stop, and blade had just tangled with morbius and shield agents previous to the fight, neither were functioning 100% plus since wolverine faught omega red in russia (in origins) I believe he had plenty of time to recover, if anyhting e was just tired of fighting - but no physically exhausted

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
not shield, blade admits it as does wolverine when they stop, and blade had just tangled with morbius and shield agents previous to the fight, neither were functioning 100% plus since wolverine faught omega red in russia (in origins) I believe he had plenty of time to recover, if anyhting e was just tired of fighting - but no physically exhausted

No he doesn't. Blade never says he is Wolverine's equal and neither does Wolverine. The closest thing to that is Wolverine saying "SHIELD figures you're their best shot of bringing me in?" and Blade says "Guess so."

And Wolverine's Origins "fight" with Omega Red ended with Wolverine in SHIELD custody, when he "escaped" he went straight after Daken; the Omega Red fight referenced in Blade is a second off panel fight that we never witnessed.

srankmissingnin
Blade 05:

(The fallowing is a summary of Blade's fight with Wolverine)

Blade shows up at Wolverine's apartment

Blade: "I'm here to fight you!"

Wolverine: *sigh*

Wolverine easily disarms and pins Blade

Blade: "I'm pinned, you have me dead to rights and have no weapon... I'll turn you into a vampire! Making you even stronger and faster then you are now is sure to help me win!"

DestinyGuy678: "Holy shit. Blade stalemated Wolverine."

eek!

Starscream M
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade 05:

(The fallowing is a summary of Blade's fight with Wolverine)

Blade shows up at Wolverine's apartment

Blade: "I'm here to fight you!"

Wolverine: *sigh*

Wolverine easily disarms and pins Blade

Blade: "I'm pinned, you have me dead to rights and have no weapon... I'll turn you into a vampire! Making you even stronger and faster then you are now is sure to help me win!"

DestinyGuy678: "Holy shit. Blade stalemated Wolverine."

eek! I don't trust your account, you're quite biased.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Starscream M
I don't trust your account, you're quite biased.

Bull. stick out tongue

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade 05:

(The fallowing is a summary of Blade's fight with Wolverine)

Blade shows up at Wolverine's apartment

Blade: "I'm here to fight you!"

Wolverine: *sigh*

Wolverine easily disarms and pins Blade

Blade: "I'm pinned, you have me dead to rights and have no weapon... I'll turn you into a vampire! Making you even stronger and faster then you are now is sure to help me win!"

DestinyGuy678: "Holy shit. Blade stalemated Wolverine."

eek! except for the fact another poster was using a similar scan to prove captain america could take on ironman, and again that is one point of view of the fight,

anotehr point of few, blade speedblitz wovlerine, draws wolverine with gunfire knowing it wnont do anything to him - all in order t oget wolverine close enough to use the vampire fluid which would end him

there are many different interpretations, the writer leaves it as a stalemate. its very controversal - the only reason I brought it up is when daredevil used the scan of captain america getting whooped by ironman and since captain america said he could take those all day that captain america had superior durability

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No he doesn't. Blade never says he is Wolverine's equal and neither does Wolverine. The closest thing to that is Wolverine saying "SHIELD figures you're their best shot of bringing me in?" and Blade says "Guess so."

And Wolverine's Origins "fight" with Omega Red ended with Wolverine in SHIELD custody, when he "escaped" he went straight after Daken; the Omega Red fight referenced in Blade is a second off panel fight that we never witnessed. Im not sure but wasn't daken in another country? it is possible the fight we witness is an inbetween (I think thats where the writer was trying to place it at least)

but what shield says cant be taken at face value, even blade laughs at the fact that shield has "tacticians". What conviced me though is when blade said they were to oevenly matched and wolverine let him go - I have many wolverine comics if wolverine is merely annoyed by another he would slaughter them, or use hteir battered corpse to send a message.

if wolverine thought tother than what blade had said it wouldnt be out of character for him t ogut blade as a message to shield

DestinyGuy678
aaaaaand again he took a vamped out spiderman. the fact he held spiderman off and threw him back says something about his strength, and the fact he hit a vamped out spiderman says something about his marksmanship as well

chilled monkey
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No he doesn't. Blade never says he is Wolverine's equal and neither does Wolverine. The closest thing to that is Wolverine saying "SHIELD figures you're their best shot of bringing me in?" and Blade says "Guess so."

And Wolverine's Origins "fight" with Omega Red ended with Wolverine in SHIELD custody, when he "escaped" he went straight after Daken; the Omega Red fight referenced in Blade is a second off panel fight that we never witnessed.

Hate to say it, but I've just taken a look at that scan:

W: You think I'm just gonna let you walk outta here?

B: Yeah.

W: 'Cause?

B: 'Cause you know we're too evenly matched and you have better things to do with your time.

Sorry, just trying to be fair.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
except for the fact another poster was using a similar scan to prove captain america could take on ironman, and again that is one point of view of the fight,

anotehr point of few, blade speedblitz wovlerine, draws wolverine with gunfire knowing it wnont do anything to him - all in order t oget wolverine close enough to use the vampire fluid which would end him

there are many different interpretations, the writer leaves it as a stalemate. its very controversal - the only reason I brought it up is when daredevil used the scan of captain america getting whooped by ironman and since captain america said he could take those all day that captain america had superior durability

Wolverine let Blade stab him and walked down the his sword, and decked him sending him flying across the room (had Wolverine not conciously retracted his claws he would have taken off Blade's head). Blade shoots at Wolverine because he no longer has his sword. Wolverine runs across the room and grabs Blade by the neck and pins him. At this point Blade is pinned and has no weapons. Wolverine his in total control and even tells Blade to go a head and vamp him. Now, how does Blade (who is pinned and has no weapons) turning Wolverine (who alread has the advatage) help him in anyway? Wolverine could kill him any time he wanted to in that postition. Turning him into a vampire would make him stronger, faster, and most of all much more brutal. Blade didn't even have a stake on him... so if he turned Wolverine into a vampire all that would have happened is Blade would be dead and there'd be a vampire Wolverine running around.

Wolverine: Vampire Enemy of the State anyone? lol

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Hate to say it, but I've just taken a look at that scan:

W: You think I'm just gonna let you walk outta here?

B: Yeah.

W: 'Cause?

B: 'Cause you know we're too evenly matched and you have better things to do with your time.

Sorry, just trying to be fair.

Okay, so Blade thinks he is a match for Wolverine at least. embarrasment

The Great Galen
Hmm interesting take on it, IMO Blade could take wolverine though if the writing wwas good enough.

chilled monkey
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine let Blade stab him and walked down the his sword, and decked him sending him flying across the room (had Wolverine not conciously retracted his claws he would have taken off Blade's head). Blade shoots at Wolverine because he no longer has his sword. Wolverine runs across the room and grabs Blade by the neck and pins him. At this point Blade is pinned and has no weapons. Wolverine his in total control and even tells Blade to go a head and vamp him. Now, how does Blade (who is pinned and has no weapons) turning Wolverine (who alread has the advatage) help him in anyway? Wolverine could kill him any time he wanted to in that postition. Turning him into a vampire would make him stronger, faster, and most of all much more brutal. Blade didn't even have a stake on him... so if he turned Wolverine into a vampire all that would have happened is Blade would be dead and there'd be a vampire Wolverine running around.

Wolverine: Vampire Enemy of the State anyone? lol

I think you summed it up perfectly. Logan had the upper hand throughout the entire fight and I agree, how the heck was vampirising Logan supposed to help?

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Okay, so Blade thinks he is a match for Wolverine at least. embarrasment the thing is wolverine does nothing after, wolverine asks - blades gives him an answer and wolverine accepts it

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine let Blade stab him and walked down the his sword, and decked him sending him flying across the room (had Wolverine not conciously retracted his claws he would have taken off Blade's head). Blade shoots at Wolverine because he no longer has his sword. Wolverine runs across the room and grabs Blade by the neck and pins him. At this point Blade is pinned and has no weapons. Wolverine his in total control and even tells Blade to go a head and vamp him. Now, how does Blade (who is pinned and has no weapons) turning Wolverine (who alread has the advatage) help him in anyway? Wolverine could kill him any time he wanted to in that postition. Turning him into a vampire would make him stronger, faster, and most of all much more brutal. Blade didn't even have a stake on him... so if he turned Wolverine into a vampire all that would have happened is Blade would be dead and there'd be a vampire Wolverine running around.

Wolverine: Vampire Enemy of the State anyone? lol again all of this an opinion, it s your opinion that wolverine let blade stab him, while I could say blade just moved to fast for him. the fight can be interpretted either way to make it seem like both combatants had the upperhand. however it was made to be a stalemate ended i na stalemate and was stated to be a stalemate.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
the thing is wolverine does nothing after, wolverine asks - blades gives him an answer and wolverine accepts it

Wolverine didn't even want to fight him to begin with. Blade says the fight is over and he won't come back. Wolverine's super sense let him know Blade is telling the truth... like Wolverine cares enough to debate with Blade over who is better.

DestinyGuy678
and your acting as if wolverine doesnt do these same things wit henemies he intends to kill, in his fight with sabertooth he retracts his claws and puts his hand to sabertooths throat saying hell pop them in oreder to kill him giving sabertooth time to grib his heart, why would wolverine retract his claws against an opponent he intends to kill? its i nhis characters. another incident is in his fight with te head of danger control who wolverine intended to kill, wolverine kick s and punches him with no claws befor finally killing him. it is perfectly in character for wolverine to use no clawed punches

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine didn't even want to fight him to begin with. Blade says the fight is over and he won't come back. Wolverine's super sense let him know Blade is telling the truth... like Wolverine cares enough to debate with Blade over who is better. blade didnt want to fight wolverine either, he rejected the idea and was reluctant going into it. however when has being reluctant to fight someone stopped wolverine from hurting them, in his fight against tank (I think that was his name) wolverine actually didnt want to fight tank and yet then entire fight wolverine was slashing and incapacitated tank and was about to kill him before captain america came up behind him. and again nothing in the panel suggests that your second statement is true, rather than your theory Im going by what is stated

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
again all of this an opinion, it s your opinion that wolverine let blade stab him, while I could say blade just moved to fast for him. the fight can be interpretted either way to make it seem like both combatants had the upperhand. however it was made to be a stalemate ended i na stalemate and was stated to be a stalemate.

Blade tells Wolverine he is called Blade because he only needs one blade (as opposed to Wolverine's six). Wolverine asks him if he ia sure... and lets Blade stab him. Don't you think if Blade speed blitzed Wolverine like you seem to think... Wolverine might be... I don't no surprised... or maybe angry.

The fight is only a stalemate you don't look at the context of the fight. Wolverine has Blade pinned. Blade as no way of winning. Wolverine lets Blade go. How is that a stalemate?

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade tells Wolverine he is called Blade because he only needs one blade (as opposed to Wolverine's six). Wolverine asks him if he ia sure... and lets Blade stab him. Don't you think if Blade speed blitzed Wolverine like you seem to think... Wolverine might be... I don't no surprised... or maybe angry.

The fight is only a stalemate you don't look at the context of the fight. Wolverine has Blade pinned. Blade as no way of winning. Wolverine lets Blade go. How is that a stalemate? not really seeing that, as written the stab didnt seem to hurt him. however wolverine was also handling a weakened blade seing as the wrier knew pretty much nothing about blade - he pretty much forgot blade has a healing factor as well)

I could say blade let wolverine tackle him in order to get wolverine close enough

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
not really seeing that, as written the stab didnt seem to hurt him. however wolverine was also handling a weakened blade seing as the wrier knew pretty much nothing about blade - he pretty much forgot blade has a healing factor as well)

I could say blade let wolverine tackle him in order to get wolverine close enough

So you think it was Blade's plan to let Wolverine take all his weapons away, completely disarm him pin him to the ground where he had no chance of fighting back? If that is the case that Blade is an idiot and the worst tactician in all of comicdom.

Blade's healing factor has never been that hot (he hasn't had it for long). Even before Guggenheim's run, Blade has had to get his bullet wounds stitched up.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So you think it was Blade's plan to let Wolverine take all his weapons away, completely disarm him pin him to the ground where he had no chance of fighting back? If that is the case that Blade is an idiot and the worst tactician in all of comicdom.

Blade's healing factor has never been that hot (he hasn't had it for long). Even before Guggenheim's run, Blade has had to get his bullet wounds stitched up, he even has claw mark scars on him for several issues in a row. no Ibelieve it was blades plan to enrage wolverine enough so that he could get in close enough to use the vampire fluid - how else would he have used it? , and blades healing fator is different than wolverines, pretty much the more vamped he is (after drinking blood and such) his vampiric qualities are amped , thats why its up and down

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no Ibelieve it was blades plan to enrage wolverine enough so that he could get in close enough to use the vampire fluid - how else would he have used it? , and blades healing fator is different than wolverines, pretty much the more vamped he is (after drinking blood and such) his vampiric qualities are amped , thats why its up and down

Wolverine wasn't even that angry even at the end of the fight.

If Blade let himself get into that position then he is an idiot. There is no possible way that situation could have not ended without Blade dead if he had pushed the fight forward.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine wasn't even that angry even at the end of the fight.

If Blade let himself get into that position then he is an idiot. There is no possible way that situation could have not ended with Blade dead if he had pushed the fight forward. when he ran at blade cursing I got a different impression, and the fact he had the full intent of killing him. plain and simple they each couldve killed each other, but once blade retracted the needle he ended the fight, wolverine even asks why he should just let blade walk out of there

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
when he ran at blade cursing I got a different impression, and the fact he had the full intent of killing him. plain and simple they each couldve killed each other, but once blade retracted the needle he ended the fight, wolverine even asks why he should just let blade walk out of there

He was angry for a second or two when Blade shot him but quickly regained his composure (the reason he bother to talk to Blade instead of just killing him when he had him pinned).

You seem to be under the impression that the needle would magically kill Wolverine, or something. It wouldn't. It would have turned him into a vampire, at which point Blade theorize he could kill him by staking him... but Blade didn't have a stake. Wolverine had him pinned and Blade was unarmed. Turning Wolverine into a vampire would make Wolverine stronger, faster and more likely to kill Blade. Blade couldn't have killed Wolverine.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He was angry for a second or two when Blade shot him but quickly regained his composure (the reason he bother to talk to Blade instead of just killing him when he had him pinned).

You seem to be under the impression that the needle would magically kill Wolverine, or something. It wouldn't. It would have turned him into a vampire, at which point Blade theorize he could kill him by staking him. Blade didn't have a stake. Wolverine had him pinned. Turning Wolverine into a vampire would make Wolverine stronger, faster and more likely to kill Blade. Blade couldn't have killed Wolverine. first thing, wolverine has stopped to talk even bloodlusted - he has done so battling sabertooth, wolverines "composure" had nothing to do with him exchanging one-liners with blade.

and what makes you think blade a vampire hunter, didnt carry a stake on him, even in his fiht with dracula he had stakes coming out of his shoes, if blade says he coul stake him, he had a stake....especially since thats standard gear for blade, and it also wouldve take na minute to take hold, while wolverin was wreathing on the ground from the initial shock blade could stake him


which comes to the next point, blade was easily able to take out a vamped out spiderman who according to you would be both stronger and faster than the normal spiderman

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
first thing, wolverine has stopped to talk even bloodlusted - he has done so battling sabertooth, wolverines "composure" had nothing to do with him exchanging one-liners with blade.

and what makes you think blade a vampire hunter, didnt carry a stake on him, even in his fiht with dracula he had stakes coming out of his shoes, if blade says he coul stake him, he had a stake....especially since thats standard gear for blade, and it also wouldve take na minute to take hold, while wolverin was wreathing on the ground from the initial shock blade could stake him


which comes to the next point, blade was easily able to take out a vamped out spiderman who according to you would be both stronger and faster than the normal spiderman

Wolverine doesn't usually stop to chit chat when he fights (especially when he is in a bersker rage). His last group of fights with Sabretooth are different because Wolverine was trying to get info out of Sabs; and Creed stops fighting to talk with Wolverine all the time because he likes messing with his head.

I don't see any stakes anywhere on his body. He might have one up his pant legs or something... but he is wearing leather pants and he is pinned to the ground. Even if he has one there it would be easy to get it and he certainly won't be able to get it before Wolverine can kill him.

When Dracula turned Wolverine into a vampire he wasn't stunned, he just went straight from grabbling with Dracula to attack colossus.

Spider-man's radioactive blood doesn't mess with the vampire condition, it's hard to say if a vampire Spider-man recieved the same bonus as a normal human.

Starscream M
Originally posted by srankmissingnin


You seem to be under the impression that the needle would magically kill Wolverine, or something. it would've turned logan into a mindless bloodsucking beast, and Logan would lose all his skills and blade would drive a stake through him to kill him.

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