Punisher vs Bullseye

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Don Mega
Standard gear so there will be no prep. These two meet on the streets.

I'm going with Punisher.

Metalmanx
I really want to say Punisher, but Bullseye definitely takes this for a healthy majority. In fact, probably 9-10/10.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I really want to say Punisher, but Bullseye definitely takes this for a healthy majority. In fact, probably 9-10/10.

I don't know about that written correctly he should be able to deflect Bullseyes objects with his guns. I have a feeling nowhere days hes going to be written something like hes not enhanced and therefore needs sonme luck to help him. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Metalmanx
Umm...kay. erm

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Umm...kay. erm

...what?

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I don't know about that written correctly he should be able to deflect Bullseyes objects with his guns. I have a feeling nowhere days hes going to be written something like hes not enhanced and therefore needs sonme luck to help him. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Are you being sarcastic here? Bullseye will wreck Punny.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Are you being sarcastic here? Bullseye will wreck Punny.

No im not. DDs speed with his baton is probably on par with Bullseye. Punisher has been able to deflect DDs baton with his gun everytime hes had his gun available.

Metalmanx
no

Bullseye and Daredevil work in completely different ways. It's pretty much standard knowledge that you need to have superhuman abilities (senses, reflexes, etc.) to dodge/deflect anything from Bullseye. To the best of my knowledge, no normal human has ever dodged/deflected anything from him.

Besides, while Punisher is ATTEMPTING to block some projectile from Bullseye, BE will have already thrown/fired another one that lands right after the first.

Let's even assume that this fight goes hand-to-hand. Punisher is a fantastic martial artist/fighter, but BE is better there, too. Punny has huge damage soak capabilities. So does BE (look at all the shots he takes from DD) AS WELL as an adamantium lacing on many of his bones and a completely adamantium spine, greatly increasing his resistance to injury in combat.

Believe me, I love the Punisher. But in my opinion, he's just plain outmatched here. erm

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Metalmanx
no

Bullseye and Daredevil work in completely different ways. It's pretty much standard knowledge that you need to have superhuman abilities (senses, reflexes, etc.) to dodge/deflect anything from Bullseye. To the best of my knowledge, no normal human has ever dodged/deflected anything from him.

Besides, while Punisher is ATTEMPTING to block some projectile from Bullseye, BE will have already thrown/fired another one that lands right after the first.


Ok so you can prove that its harder to deflect an object thrown by Bullseye as opposed to DD? You know DDs fast enough to block Bullseyes projectiles and Frank is fast enought o deflect a baton thrown by DD via gun that implies Frank is fast enough.


Originally posted by Metalmanx
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Let's even assume that this fight goes hand-to-hand. Punisher is a fantastic martial artist/fighter, but BE is better there, too. Punny has huge damage soak capabilities. So does BE (look at all the shots he takes from DD) AS WELL as an adamantium lacing on many of his bones and a completely adamantium spine, greatly increasing his resistance to injury in combat.

Believe me, I love the Punisher. But in my opinion, he's just plain outmatched here. erm

Hes beaten Bullseye twice in H2H. You're not going to prove that Bullseye is better than Frank in H2H. When did he get the adamantuim not that I think its gonna make a difference.

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok so you can prove that its harder to deflect an object thrown by Bullseye as opposed to DD?

No, guess not. However, due to his near-metahuman ability, BE has the ability to throw objects with (what appears to be) the PERFECT blend of speed, power, angles, accuracy, etc. that makes them cut through the air and attain distances/speeds/strengths far above what they would normally be able to. For instance: knocking out Daredevil with a paper airplane. I believe he also killed a man by throwing a toothpick through a CLOSED window and into the victim. He can also apparently throw playing cards hundreds of feet without losing any speed/accuracy/strength.

He's Bullseye for a reason, man.


Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hes beaten Bullseye twice in H2H. You're not going to prove that Bullseye is better than Frank in H2H. When did he get the adamantuim not that I think its gonna make a difference.

Damn I hate inconsistencies. On multiple occasions Bullseye has been able to hold his own and sometimes defeat BOTH DD and Elektra in hand-to-hand combat. And then he gets beat by Frank? Frank is a great fighter, but he's leagues below DD.

Oh, and the adamantium thing happened in Daredevil #196-197, 199.

I declare shenanigans. no expression

godking
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I don't know about that written correctly he should be able to deflect Bullseyes objects with his guns. I have a feeling nowhere days hes going to be written something like hes not enhanced and therefore needs sonme luck to help him. roll eyes (sarcastic) Bullseye soundly defeated Frank in punisher vs bullseye and a young bullseye was toying with castle in the columbian Jungle.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Metalmanx
No, guess not. However, due to his near-metahuman ability, BE has the ability to throw objects with (what appears to be) the PERFECT blend of speed, power, angles, accuracy, etc. that makes them cut through the air and attain distances/speeds/strengths far above what they would normally be able to. For instance: knocking out Daredevil with a paper airplane. I believe he also killed a man by throwing a toothpick through a CLOSED window and into the victim. He can also apparently throw playing cards hundreds of feet without losing any speed/accuracy/strength.

He's Bullseye for a reason, man

Well since you can't prove that he can't throw its faster then Frank can shot the projectiles with his gun. Bullseyes projectiles are more lethal but we can't assume they are faster.

It should be noted that Frank has been able to deflect DDs baton with relative ease. Also the fact thats hes using a gun makes up for his lack of speed.


Originally posted by Metalmanx

Damn I hate inconsistencies. On multiple occasions Bullseye has been able to hold his own and sometimes defeat BOTH DD and Elektra in hand-to-hand combat. And then he gets beat by Frank? Frank is a great fighter, but he's leagues below DD

Im pretty sure Bullseye hasn't beaten both Elek and DD and if he did he would have used his projectiles. To be quite honest with you I don't think Frank is leagues below its just that DD is faster. Im under the impression that Frank might know about more martial arts in general but DD knows more about specific martial arts and has a radar sense.

By the way Frank has beaten up DD worse than Bullseye ever has.

In all fairness I have to verify the first fight but it happened in a Countdown arc during the first Punisher series.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Oh, and the adamantium thing happened in Daredevil #196-197, 199.

Sorry what year?

Originally posted by Metalmanx

I declare shenanigans. no expression

To be quite frank....heh.......alot of people forget that when Bullseye fights he uses his projectiles as well. Without his weapons hes really not all that.

Originally posted by godking
Bullseye soundly defeated Frank in punisher vs bullseye and a young bullseye was toying with castle in the columbian Jungle.

That was the first time they met and he had never fought anybody like that, he didn't even know who he was or what he was capable of doing. So that was expected.

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well since you can't prove that he can't throw its faster then Frank can shot the projectiles with his gun. Bullseyes projectiles are more lethal but we can't assume they are faster.

It should be noted that Frank has been able to deflect DDs baton with relative ease. Also the fact thats hes using a gun makes up for his lack of speed.

Okay. I'll try to explain this as best as I can. What happens when you throw a toothpick at a window? It stops. The glass' durability keeps it from breaking and slows the momentum of the toothpick to a stop. However, when Bullseye throws it, it not only moves extremely fast, but continues to move extremely fast even after breaking through the glass. Thus it's speed would have to be great enough to overcome the glass' durability and continue to maintain the high speed.

http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilthetargetbk01182qe.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilthetargetbk01198dr.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilthetargetbk01208ll.jpg

OR, he's able to throw a straw fast enough to not only make contact with Deadpool's throat, but fast enough to overcome the friction and push through his throat.

http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iden9uj9.jpg

Same goes for the coffee lid
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iden10xs6.jpg

And honestly, who says that BE needs to throw projectiles DIRECTLY at Frank when he can just as easily do this in order to confuse him (don't try to tell me that Frank could dodge multiple super-fast projectiles from BE at once roll eyes (sarcastic)

http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadpool028165ic.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadpool028176xv.jpg

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im pretty sure Bullseye hasn't beaten both Elek and DD and if he did he would have used his projectiles. To be quite honest with you I don't think Frank is leagues below its just that DD is faster. Im under the impression that Frank might know about more martial arts in general but DD knows more about specific martial arts and has a radar sense.

By the way Frank has beaten up DD worse than Bullseye ever has.

No. If I'm recalling one of the instances correctly, there were no projectiles. He was just handling DD and Elektra on his own, hand-to-hand. I'll try to find it if I can, but I can't seem to load the main herochat.com respect thread for Bullseye.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Sorry what year?

1983. Does that matter?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
To be quite frank....heh.......alot of people forget that when Bullseye fights he uses his projectiles as well. Without his weapons hes really not all that.

See, that just shows that you don't know enough about Bullseye. He is an expert martial artist. His hand-eye coordination is almost metahuman, and his reflexes are way beyond those of any normal human.

cmack
bullseye wins 6.5/10

Soljer
Metalman vs. Alfheim...

Interesting...

Metalmanx
And furthermore, all BE needs to do is grab a handful of rocks/pebbles/rivets/etc. to completely wreck Frank.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/1175/feat20fight3vx2.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1821/feat20fight4ay9.jpg

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Soljer
Metalman vs. Alfheim...

Interesting...

Why's that, Soljer? smile

Bouboumaster
I go with Frank 6/10

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Okay. I'll try to explain this as best as I can. What happens when you throw a toothpick at a window? It stops. The glass' durability keeps it from breaking and slows the momentum of the toothpick to a stop. However, when Bullseye throws it, it not only moves extremely fast, but continues to move extremely fast even after breaking through the glass. Thus it's speed would have to be great enough to overcome the glass' durability and continue to maintain the high speed.

http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilthetargetbk01182qe.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilthetargetbk01198dr.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilthetargetbk01208ll.jpg

OR, he's able to throw a straw fast enough to not only make contact with Deadpool's throat, but fast enough to overcome the friction and push through his throat.

http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iden9uj9.jpg

Same goes for the coffee lid
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iden10xs6.jpg

And honestly, who says that BE needs to throw projectiles DIRECTLY at Frank when he can just as easily do this in order to confuse him (don't try to tell me that Frank could dodge multiple super-fast projectiles from BE at once roll eyes (sarcastic)

http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadpool028165ic.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadpool028176xv.jpg

That does not prove that he throws his projectiles faster than DD, that proves that they are more lethal. You do know that Bullseyes has made a paper aeroplane go through a window? No amount of speed is going to make a paper aeroplane do that. He almost Koed Frank with a paper aeroplane, the apaper aeroplane wasn't even going that fast, in fact it wasn't going fast at all.

DD can't make a toothpick go through a window but that doesn't mean that Bullseye throws projectiles faster than DDs baton.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

And honestly, who says that BE needs to throw projectiles DIRECTLY at Frank when he can just as easily do this in order to confuse him (don't try to tell me that Frank could dodge multiple super-fast projectiles from BE at once roll eyes (sarcastic)

Excuse me you did hear me say hes easily deflected Dds baton before, hell he wasn't even trying. DD has used tactics with his baton to hit Frank before he even tried to get him by suprise by bouncing it underneath a van....didn't work.

Hell im pretty sure that somebdoy whos good enough to shoot spidermans webshooters in mid-air could actually be able to deflect bullseyes projectiles. no expression

Originally posted by Metalmanx

No. If I'm recalling one of the instances correctly, there were no projectiles. He was just handling DD and Elektra on his own, hand-to-hand. I'll try to find it if I can, but I can't seem to load the main herochat.com respect thread for Bullseye.

I think you got it wron. Bullseye breifly took on DD and Elektra then got the crap kicked out of him.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

1983. Does that matter?

Yeah because hes fought him twice after that and his adamantuim didn't do a damn thing to help.


Originally posted by Metalmanx

See, that just shows that you don't know enough about Bullseye. He is an expert martial artist. His hand-eye coordination is almost metahuman, and his reflexes are way beyond those of any normal human.

No it does not. Bullseye has not faired much better than Frank against DD in H2H. Hell Franks the one thats managed to dislocate DDs arms on two ocassions.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And furthermore, all BE needs to do is grab a handful of rocks/pebbles/rivets/etc. to completely wreck Frank.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/1175/feat20fight3vx2.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1821/feat20fight4ay9.jpg

Ive seen him fight people loads of times without doing that so were not going to assume thats going to happen.

godking
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well since you can't prove that he can't throw its faster then Frank can shot the projectiles with his gun. Bullseyes projectiles are more lethal but we can't assume they are faster.

It should be noted that Frank has been able to deflect DDs baton with relative ease. Also the fact thats hes using a gun makes up for his lack of speed.




Im pretty sure Bullseye hasn't beaten both Elek and DD and if he did he would have used his projectiles. To be quite honest with you I don't think Frank is leagues below its just that DD is faster. Im under the impression that Frank might know about more martial arts in general but DD knows more about specific martial arts and has a radar sense.

By the way Frank has beaten up DD worse than Bullseye ever has.

In all fairness I have to verify the first fight but it happened in a Countdown arc during the first Punisher series.



Sorry what year?



To be quite frank....heh.......alot of people forget that when Bullseye fights he uses his projectiles as well. Without his weapons hes really not all that.



That was the first time they met and he had never fought anybody like that, he didn't even know who he was or what he was capable of doing. So that was expected. I will buy that excuse for the first fight not the second the second fight Frank at the minimum has basic knowledge about who bullseye is.

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That does not prove that he throws his projectiles faster than DD, that proves that they are more lethal. You do know that Bullseyes has made a paper aeroplane go through a window? No amount of speed is going to make a paper aeroplane do that. He almost Koed Frank with a paper aeroplane, the apaper aeroplane wasn't even going that fast, in fact it wasn't going fast at all.

DD can't make a toothpick go through a window but that doesn't mean that Bullseye throws projectiles faster than DDs baton.

Excuse me you did hear me say hes easily deflected Dds baton before, hell he wasn't even trying. DD has used tactics with his baton to hit Frank before he even tried to get him by suprise by bouncing it underneath a van....didn't work.

Hell im pretty sure that somebdoy whos good enough to shoot spidermans webshooters in mid-air could actually be able to deflect bullseyes projectiles. no expression

I think you got it wron. Bullseye breifly took on DD and Elektra then got the crap kicked out of him.

Yeah because hes fought him twice after that and his adamantuim didn't do a damn thing to help.

No it does not. Bullseye has not faired much better than Frank against DD in H2H. Hell Franks the one thats managed to dislocate DDs arms on two ocassions.

Ive seen him fight people loads of times without doing that so were not going to assume thats going to happen.

I couldn't resist:
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/3803/strength138ry.gif

Oh yea, I see what you were talking about now. About how Frank is fast enough to easily deflect DD's billyclub. Guns must be a different story, however.
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4317/fight428xf.gif

Then fought him briefly:
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5732/fight433rx.gif

Some more scuffle between them; guess Bullseye doesn't throw very fast at all:
http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullseye03189aq.jpg

Advantage against DD (also mentions that his adamantium-laced skeleton makes his punch hurt more):
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1392/fight280yx.gif

Takes Gambit out, whose martial art skills are also above Frank's:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/838/fight244hl.gif
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/94/fight254wy.gif
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3218/fight266ss.gif

Against Cap (using the same damn technique I was talking about earlier--throwing more than one thing at a time!):
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4583/fight388sa.gif

More evidence for the adamantium-laced skeleton providing him with increased durability that Punisher would have a hard time getting around:
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/985/fight406lp.gif

Bullseye has both skills and some serious speed, taking on two simultaneous attackers, well, simultaneously:
http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/8880/fightingskills32yx.gif

Bullseye pretty much controls this whole fight with ELEKTRA:
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7756/fight138fi.gif
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2649/fight144ny.gif
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9126/fight153eb.gif
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3609/fight167op.gif
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6143/fight170oq.gif

DD stating that no normal man could ever hope to avoid Bullseye projectiles:
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5213/accuracy27ky.gif

BE even states that quick, well-trained might as well be moving in slow motion to him:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2854/accuracy99eo.gif

Excellent acrobatic ability, too:
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1479/accuracy199in.gif

And that's just some stuff.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I couldn't resist:
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/3803/strength138ry.gif


Didn't look like it was going that fast to me. Notice how Frank was looking at him through the binoculars and didn't see the plane coming?

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Oh yea, I see what you were talking about now. About how Frank is fast enough to easily deflect DD's billyclub. Guns must be a different story, however.
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4317/fight428xf.gif



Notice how Franks gun was not loaded so he could not have deflected it?

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Then fought him briefly:
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5732/fight433rx.gif


Please go back and find the rest of those scans. erm

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Some more scuffle between them; guess Bullseye doesn't throw very fast at all:
http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullseye03189aq.jpg

Already explained.

That was the first time they met and he had never fought anybody like that, he didn't even know who he was or what he was capable of doing. So that was expected.


Originally posted by Metalmanx

Advantage against DD (also mentions that his adamantium-laced skeleton makes his punch hurt more):
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1392/fight280yx.gif


How is that relevant? Hes still lost to Punsiher in H2H.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Takes Gambit out, whose martial art skills are also above Frank's:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/838/fight244hl.gif
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/94/fight254wy.gif
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3218/fight266ss.gif


Er Gambits been owned by Wolverine. Punisher has done better against Wolverine injured. You have no proof that Gambit is better at Punisher in H2H.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Against Cap (using the same damn technique I was talking about earlier--throwing more than one thing at a time!):
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4583/fight388sa.gif

Notice how he used a falshlight to blind Cap and therefore forcing him to raise his shield up? Hes only used that technique once were not going to assume hes going to do that here.


Originally posted by Metalmanx

More evidence for the adamantium-laced skeleton providing him with increased durability that Punisher would have a hard time getting around:


http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vfxpunishvervsbullseye4dy4.jpg

I don't get it. I already explained to you that Punsiher has beaten up Bullseyes before and you're telling me hes going to have trouble hurting him.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Bullseye has both skills and some serious speed, taking on two simultaneous attackers, well, simultaneously:
http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/8880/fightingskills32yx.gif

Bullseye pretty much controls this whole fight with ELEKTRA:
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7756/fight138fi.gif
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2649/fight144ny.gif
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9126/fight153eb.gif
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3609/fight167op.gif
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6143/fight170oq.gif

DD stating that no normal man could ever hope to avoid Bullseye projectiles:
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5213/accuracy27ky.gif

BE even states that quick, well-trained might as well be moving in slow motion to him:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2854/accuracy99eo.gif

Excellent acrobatic ability, too:
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1479/accuracy199in.gif

And that's just some stuff.

You do know that DD has beaten Bullseyes with a one broken arm don't you? How does any of the above refute what I said earlier.

No it does not. Bullseye has not faired much better than Frank against DD in H2H. Hell Franks the one thats managed to dislocate DDs arms on two ocassions.

llagrok
Bullseye beat the shit out of Daredevil when he killed Karen though.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by llagrok
Bullseye beat the shit out of Daredevil when he killed Karen though.

Scans? Cos ive never seen Bullseye beat the shit out of DD. Anyway that doesn't prove hes better.

llagrok
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Scans? Cos ive never seen Bullseye beat the shit out of DD. Anyway that doesn't prove hes better.

I have it in Norwegian.

Bullseye got Daredevil's shoulder first, with shuriken or a gun, so it wasn't pure hand to hand.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by llagrok
I have it in Norwegian.

Bullseye got Daredevil's shoulder first, with shuriken or a gun, so it wasn't pure hand to hand.

Well there you go, thats exactly what ive been saying to people. People forget that Bullseye uses projectiles in H2H. Frank still has a better track record against DD.

llagrok
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well there you go, thats exactly what ive been saying to people. People forget that Bullseye uses projectiles in H2H. Frank still has a better track record against DD.

You've just proven that broken arms/dislocated shoulders make a small difference to Daredevil. Who's to say he wouldn't have beaten Frank, if he hadn't pointed a gun at him?

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by llagrok
You've just proven that broken arms/dislocated shoulders make a small difference to Daredevil. Who's to say he wouldn't have beaten Frank, if he hadn't pointed a gun at him?

Nope.

1. Punisher was the one that gave him the dislocated shoulder not Bullseye. The point is pun has a better track record.
2. In another example it was both his arms. Im pretty sure DD would have lost that fight.

llagrok
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nope.

1. Punisher was the one that gave him the dislocated shoulder not Bullseye. The point is pun has a better track record.
2. In another example it was both his arms. Im pretty sure DD would have lost that fight.

You're pretty sure, but you can't prove anything.

Frank pulled a gun into the fight, making it useless just like Bullseye's fight. We do know that Bullseye hits a lot harder than Daredevil. So he's got a good strength advantage.

Soljer
So...

Consensus is that Bullseye wins?

TheGame17
hasn't punisher already beaten bullseye in the comics?....

Metalmanx
Yes, once (to my knowledge). But Bullseye has also beaten Punisher.

llagrok
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yes, once (to my knowledge). But Bullseye has also beaten Punisher.

I actually think it was vice versa.

Metalmanx
Originally posted by llagrok
I actually think it was vice versa.

Eh? confused

llagrok
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Eh? confused

Punisher won.

Metalmanx
What? Both times?

BUSTER1
Ireckon 5/5 even split. If it is long distance then Bullseye wins but unarmed, up close then Frank takes him.

carnage52
give be a paint brush and a pack of chewing gum and he could wreck frank.

Don Mega
Originally posted by Soljer
So...

Consensus is that Bullseye wins? No.

Punisher wins.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Don Mega
No.

Punisher wins.

To tell you the truth if it was written nowhere days they would probably make him lose. *shrug*

Don Mega
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
To tell you the truth if it was written nowhere days they would probably make him lose. *shrug* I don't think so. Punisher usually gets written pretty well.

Sado22
bullseye VS punisher happened pretty early in both their careers. Frank wasn't the wrecking machine he's become since "welcome back, frank". in all fairness, Bullseye has the advantage IMO considering his insanely unbelievable metahuman abilities even though he's regular human (i'm talking about prior to adamantium lacing).

however, frank has more than held his own against bullseye once they got to know eachother better. frank has even beaten him more than bullseye has beaten frank. in fact, he even crippled Bullseye (atleast for a time being) and would have shot him if he wanted to...or actually he was going to and then just decided to cripple him erm

not to mention that in to-the-end brawl, frank has humiliated the one person who Bullseye never ever humiliated: Daredevil. in fact, frank has beaten Bullseye in h2h on two occassions that i remember off the top of my head. then of course there is their gunfight towards the end of volume2 of punisher....though my memory is a little fuzzy about that volume.

so all in all, heck no this is far from a curbstomp as some people are suggesting. for those who insist that BE can throw multiple projectiles at frank, i could say the exact same thing about BE....can he dodge a full belt of an M60. maybe...though i highly doubt it. Matt himself shot DD in both legs during his prison stay. so i doubt BE can dodge bullets so to speak.

all in all, on the count that when they actually got to know each other, Frank always has had the upperhand.......i'm going with Frank.

Punisher wins 6/10

llagrok
When on earth did Frank cripple Bullseye?

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by llagrok
When on earth did Frank cripple Bullseye?

Countdown, I wish somebody would scan the fight dammit.

Sado22
what you looking at me for, PZ?! mad

Sado22
oh and i just want to point out something:
there is a big difference in fighting and brawling. frank's your good ol' brawler who fights dirty....isn't above chewing off his opponent's face even. BE and DD are martial artists but frank beat them both because of his brawling. doesnt mean that his knowledge of MA is less or more than BE or DD (probably less, and he's definately less skilled than them both). he just has his own style of fighting.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by Sado22
oh and i just want to point out something:
there is a big difference in fighting and brawling. frank's your good ol' brawler who fights dirty....isn't above chewing off his opponent's face even. BE and DD are martial artists but frank beat them both because of his brawling. doesnt mean that his knowledge of MA is less or more than BE or DD (probably less, and he's definately less skilled than them both). he just has his own style of fighting.

Not all the time though. In there first two fights it was MA, but yeah Frank will use dirty tactics if he has to.

Sado22
frank vs BE1

Sado22
frank vs BE2

Sado22
frank vs BE

Sado22
frank vs BE3

llagrok
Use photobucket or something....

Sado22
frank vs BE4

Phantom Zone
ha ha. kicked his ass! Going in the respect thread. Third tier my ass. Thanx Sado! thumb up

BUSTER1
Great scans Saddo-thats our Frank smile

llagrok
Soo Frank got two punches in and grabbed his gun.

That's beating Bullseye in hand to hand?

Sado22
-soaked his gun thrust
-kicked him in the gut
-soaked a punch
-had his head and spine smashed against a wall
-gives BE a mother of all haymakers (can be argued that BE was down long enough to be unable to roll to his feet, and was stunned long enough for frank to pin him down and have him at his mercy)
-pins him down
-puts his gun to his head, could've killed him but shoots his hands instead

in a fight that began with guns, why is what frank did uncalled for?
also, the point here is that Frank CAN beat BE, has, has done it more than once and thus can again.


hey, you asked for it? can't let a punbrother down! big grin


as Garth Ennis says it: GO, FRANK! GO!

~Sado

llagrok
Originally posted by Sado22
-soaked his gun thrust
-kicked him in the gut
-soaked a punch
-had his head and spine smashed against a wall
-gives BE a mother of all haymakers (can be argued that BE was down long enough to be unable to roll to his feet, and was stunned long enough for frank to pin him down and have him at his mercy)
-pins him down
-puts his gun to his head, could've killed him but shoots his hands instead

in a fight that began with guns, why is what frank did uncalled for?
also, the point here is that Frank CAN beat BE, has, has done it more than once and thus can again.

Doesn't matter whether or not it was uncalled for it.

Pulling a gun when your fighting someone hand to hand and aiming it at their head ends the fight, no matter what....

Don Mega
Originally posted by Sado22
frank vs BE3 Punisher is the man.

Phantom Zone
Originally posted by llagrok
Doesn't matter whether or not it was uncalled for it.

Pulling a gun when your fighting someone hand to hand and aiming it at their head ends the fight, no matter what....

He had already won the fight by that point. BE was to stunned to do anything.

YFZ 350
Punisher is good. But I think Bullseye can beat him straight up.

Sado22
and he says:

also, stop dodging the fact that frank BEAT him. h2h or not, bullseye is the one who struck at frank with weapons when clearly frank was going for a h2h fight. he beat him, could've killed him...and actually crippled him. and this has happened several times before. it happened later on as well when he actually got BE in a full nelson/chokehold even though BE.


too bad, cuz he never did in all the times they fought. take a look at those pics.

Frank>Bullseye

~Sado

Don Mega
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He had already won the fight by that point. BE was to stunned to do anything. You are correct. BE was done for at that moment.

godking
Originally posted by Sado22
and he says:

also, stop dodging the fact that frank BEAT him. h2h or not, bullseye is the one who struck at frank with weapons when clearly frank was going for a h2h fight. he beat him, could've killed him...and actually crippled him. and this has happened several times before. it happened later on as well when he actually got BE in a full nelson/chokehold even though BE.


too bad, cuz he never did in all the times they fought. take a look at those pics.

Frank>Bullseye

~Sado So BE never beat Frank straight up ? who won the fight in the Punisher vs Bullseye comic or Young Bullseye vs Frank.

Sado22
i meant once they got to know eachother, of course.


and BE got CRIPPLED by Frank. as opposed to what? not being prepared to fight a metahuman? no expression

godking
Originally posted by Sado22
i meant once they got to know eachother, of course.


and BE got CRIPPLED by Frank. as opposed to what? not being prepared to fight a metahuman? no expression That excuse only works for Frank vs Young green BE not the Punisher vs Bullseye Arc Frank won the H2H portion of the Punsher vs Bulls eye arc other then that he was outsmarted the entire arc and only lived because Bullseye let him live.

Don Mega
Anybody have scans of their most recent fight?

Sado22
frank won the H2h part?
now illagrok's head will explode eek!

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