juggernaut vs ww hulk

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Nihilist
lets settle this!!!

no bfr/no pis/cis.
to the death


who wins?

Batman-Prime
Juggy

iceman24567
Juggs.

carver9
stalemate, both have unlimited strength but neither will fall to physical might.

guy222
WWH

Good thread B

juggernaut74
Juggernaut. WWHulk has shown he has a limit when he fought Sentry. Juggernaut has not.

Ouallada
Juggernaut.

BUSTER1
Juggernaut-WWH can become stronger but Cains enchantment renders him completely invulnerable to physical harm. Also Hulk stamina can 'only' last days wheras Juggy's is unlimited

icu311
Originally posted by BUSTER1
Juggernaut-WWH can become stronger but Cains enchantment renders him completely invulnerable to physical harm. Also Hulk stamina can 'only' last days wheras Juggy's is unlimited

I agree. However, Hulk would win if BFR was allowed.

Bouboumaster
Hulk.

Juggernaut would loose to a greater being.

Scoobless
They'd both get bored of fighting and end up calling it a draw.

SuperiorTech
juggs

CaptainStoic
King Hulk has better feats, he also stopped his forward progress in the X-Men.

When he stopped Juggernauts advance which was supposedly impossible. Also noted, was that King Hulk was not as strong as he was at the end of WWHulk.

So to wrap this up, King Hulk in issue 5 of WWHulk, was far stronger than he was when he halted Juggernauts advance in The X-Men, making the idea of him completely dominating Cain a strong possibility, and a very solid point.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Juggernaut. WWHulk has shown he has a limit when he fought Sentry. Juggernaut has not.

Sentry is a beast. Juggernaut was punked by Onslaught on a physical level, and he bytched up and ran to the X-Men for help!

The Hulk defeated Onslaught.

psycho gundam
stalemate, both seems to be unable to kill eachother.

big juggy man
How could this be a stalemate when the Juggernaut is immortal and the Hulk isnt? No matter how long this fight last the Juggernaut would eventually killed the Hulk and if BFR is allowed then the Juggernaut could throw the Hulk away just as easy.

Knowsbleed33
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
King Hulk has better feats, he also stopped his forward progress in the X-Men.

When he stopped Juggernauts advance which was supposedly impossible. Also noted, was that King Hulk was not as strong as he was at the end of WWHulk.

So to wrap this up, King Hulk in issue 5 of WWHulk, was far stronger than he was when he halted Juggernauts advance in The X-Men, making the idea of him completely dominating Cain a strong possibility, and a very solid point.



Sentry is a beast. Juggernaut was punked by Onslaught on a physical level, and he bytched up and ran to the X-Men for help!

The Hulk defeated Onslaught.

The thread starter said no PIS/CIS.

Taking both characters power sets into consideration. Juggernaut should never lose a fight to the Hulk.

Grinning Goku
The Hulk will die eventually...

Nihilist
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
King Hulk has better feats, he also stopped his forward progress in the X-Men.

When he stopped Juggernauts advance which was supposedly impossible. Also noted, was that King Hulk was not as strong as he was at the end of WWHulk.

So to wrap this up, King Hulk in issue 5 of WWHulk, was far stronger than he was when he halted Juggernauts advance in The X-Men, making the idea of him completely dominating Cain a strong possibility, and a very solid point.



Sentry is a beast. Juggernaut was punked by Onslaught on a physical level, and he bytched up and ran to the X-Men for help!

The Hulk defeated Onslaught.
hanuts
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
The thread starter said no PIS/CIS.

Taking both characters power sets into consideration. Juggernaut should never lose a fight to the Hulk.
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Bouboumaster
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
The thread starter said no PIS/CIS.

Taking both characters power sets into consideration. Juggernaut should never lose a fight to the Hulk.

Unless Hulk overpower the enchantement. Juggernaut wouldn't be the first "unindesctrutible" character to have his ass manhandle by the Incredible Hulk.

Mindset
You mean indestructible?

Wolverine2006
WWH he beat Juggernaut in the WWH x-men story arc.

The Pict
Hulk drains himself yet again. Juggernaut 10/10

The Pict
Originally posted by Wolverine2006
WWH he beat Juggernaut in the WWH x-men story arc.

He could only beat him through bfr which isn't allowed here.

Wolverine2006
bfr?

The Pict
Originally posted by Wolverine2006
bfr?

Battle field removal

Wolverine2006
Oh i see, I'd still give advantage to Hulk tho not by much but I give him the advantage here

The Pict
Originally posted by Wolverine2006
Oh i see, I'd still give advantage to Hulk tho not by much but I give him the advantage here

Why? He recieved a beating from Juggernaut and was losing the test of strength they had. WWH had to bfr him and here he can't. Juggs ftw.

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by The Pict
Why? He recieved a beating from Juggernaut and was losing the test of strength they had. WWH had to bfr him and here he can't. Juggs ftw.

When was he losing the test of strength? From what I saw Cain's impacts did very little to Bruce. If we take WWHulk at his strongest and put him up against the Juggernaut perhaps things would have looked much different. Keep in mind, when WWHulk stopped Cain he was nowhere near as powerful as he was at the end of issue#5.

Logic dictates that if he was holding his own in a weaker state, and was able to stop the unstoppable Juggernaut, that it is plausible that he would have done far more than stopped him when he was powerful enough to destroy the eastern seaboard, and he was growing in power to boot.

Keeping in mind that Juggernaut has been beaten by less, this should be a cake walk for King Hulk excluding pis. Concerning Onslaught vs Juggernaut it wasn't PIS, Cain did have the Gem embedded in his chest at that time, and Onslaught ripped it out. This has all been stated and I will prove it.




Read this.

Ages ago, Cytorrak, one of a group of eight ancient mystic beings of incredible power called the Octessence, disagreed with his comrades over which of them was most powerful, and as a result each created a Totem, an item of incredible power that represented its creator. The first human to touch the item would be transformed into an Exemplar, a living embodiment of the power of one of the Octessence. In theory, when all eight Exemplars awakened, the eight would divide the Earth in the name of their creators, and would fight to solve the ages old disagreement. Over time, the Totems were mostly buried and lost. However, the Crimson Gem was still accessible in a temple in southeast Asia.

Cytorrak was eventually banished from Earth, but before leaving he created a guardian named Xorak to defend his Totem. Years later, the Ancient One approached the the Crimson Gem of Cytorrak and woke Xorak, even without touching it. The Ancient One overcame Xorak and banished him to the realm within the Gem.

Later still, a group of monks tried to access the power of the Gem and unleashed a violent aspect of Cytorrak that killed them all as well as surrounding villagers. Fortunately, two rival mages, Tar and Gomurr the Ancient, banded together to banish this aspect of Cytorrak to within the Gem.

Hundreds of years later, Cain Marko, serving alongside his step-brother Charles Xavier in Korea, came upon an ancient temple to Cytorrak, and discovered the Gem. He was thus transformed into the Juggernaut, and gifted with incredible strength and invulnerability. The invulnerability stemmed from a forcefield generated by the Gem's power, and even protected him from psychic assaults, as long as his helmet was on. Furthermore, Juggernaut's costume was in fact mystical, essentially representing him as a facsimile of dome-headed Cytorrak himself. It should be noted that later in his career. Marko was buried in the temple's collapse, but survived thanks to his new power, and took about ten years extricating himself.

After the Juggernaut's return and attack on the X-Men, Professor Xavier tried to find a cure for his step-brother, but was knocked out by an energy blast from his experimental machine. Doctor Strange advised the X-Men to find the original Gem and enter it to get the "prototype," a Gem within the Gem that they used to heal Xavier and then defeat the Juggernaut. Marko wanted to possess the prototype as well, but in touching it, both he and the Gem were sucked into the "Crimson Cosmos."

The Gem's power was not expended on Marko alone: In fact, Marko once had his partner Black Tom Cassidy touch it, and Tom was also transformed into a massive powerhouse. However, they were each at half-power, until Rogue was able to leech the power away from Tom, and Marko regained his full strength when he touched the Gem again. Hoping to maintain all the power for himself, Juggernaut heaved the stone into outer space. When the stone was unintentionally sent back to Earth by Nova, a Herald of Galactus, it conferred different powers upon Stevie, the boy who found it, including long-range communication, force blasts and animation of statues. Juggernaut was initially held at bay by Stevie, but eventually managed to reclaim his power source. This time, the Gem was mystically bonded to Marko and merged with his body. Marko now no longer needed his costume to have the full range of his powers, except for the immunity to telepathy granted by his helmet.

Marko knew next to nothing of Cytorrak for many years, until Xavier's dark side manifested itself as the massive psi Onslaught. Onslaught immediately understood the power of the Gem, and physically ripped it from the Juggernaut, leaving it on Xavier's desk as a paperweight. Somehow, Cain Marko was then trapped inside the dimension of Cytorrak. Inside, Marko fought against Spite, sister of D'Spayre, and an avatar of Cytorrak himself. With the help of Doctor Strange, Tar and Gomurr, Marko fought off his attackers and left the Gem, and regained the Juggernaut power again.

Much later, a second Crimson Gem of Cytorrak appeared, which Marko tried to use to amplify his abilities. However, it turned out that this second gem was a fake, which disrupted Marko's powers and caused him to become gravely ill. Only the intervention of the X-Men, who stole the fake Gem and delivered it to Black Tom, saved him from death.

The other seven Exemplars awakened and gathered at one point, but were ultimately defeated, and worldwide chaos avoided when Juggernaut's human side defeated Cytorrak's violent urges, having had many years to adjust to the transformation into an Exemplar and assert his own will. Though Juggernaut was subdued and nearly punished by the Exemplars, the Avengers eventually convinced the others to stop fighting, and the Octessence's world domination plans were ruined.

Recently, another Juggernaut attacked Marko and She-Hulk. It is unknown whether the boy who was the Juggernaut received his abilities from the Crimson Gem of Cytorrak, though he seemed to imply that Cytorrak was angry at Marko for disobeying him and granted the boy power to replace him.

Knowsbleed33
All that says is he had it in his chest during the Onslaught saga? How do we know this? Because Onslaught ripped it out. Why would Cain keep a football sized gem lodged in his sternum?

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
All that says is he had it in his chest during the Onslaught saga? How do we know this? Because Onslaught ripped it out. Why would Cain keep a football sized gem lodged in his sternum?

Because he figured that it would be the safest place on earth to place the gem (after all he is the Juggernaut) who could take it from him is what he thought.

All the same it is official, you or any other comic book reader including myself may not like it, but as far as Marvel is concerned, it is and was there. Onslaught mugged him, and forcibly took it from him.

Hulk then went on to beat Onslaught (iirc), which Juggernaut was unable to do.

Mindset
Hulk didn't beat Onslaugt, and WWH only slowed Juggs down, he never stopped him. Also WWH didn't hurt Juggs at all when he was back to full power, but Juggs was hurting him.

Batman-Prime
Originally posted by Mindset
Hulk didn't beat Onslaugt, and WWH only slowed Juggs down, he never stopped him. Also WWH didn't hurt Juggs at all when he was back to full power, but Juggs was hurting him.

Yeah I had the same impression, WWH was losing till the bfr.

lft4ded
Still wasn't the Onslaught vs Juggernaut the first Onslaught fight? I thought it was before he took a physical form?

Someone correct me if the following is wrong:


If this is true then what Hulk did returned Onslaught to his original, Juggernaut-beating form that then required a sacrifice of the hero's, which thankfully Franklin was able to save them from.

Note that Onslaught was able to affect Juggernaut even though he still had his helmet on when he landed. Cytorrak mentioned in WWH:X-Men#3 that Cain was as strong as he thought he was. Both the Trion and 8th day incident showing Juggernaut's power level changing as different beings influenced/controlled Cain's mind.

Onslaught psyched (bad joke) Juggernaut out?

iceman24567
Originally posted by Mindset
Hulk didn't beat Onslaugt, and WWH only slowed Juggs down, he never stopped him. Also WWH didn't hurt Juggs at all when he was back to full power, but Juggs was hurting him. Yes i agree if it wasn't a Hulk vs Marvel earth arc Cain would have won that fight but he wins here.

ultimatethor
Originally posted by The Pict
Why? He recieved a beating from Juggernaut and was losing the test of strength they had. WWH had to bfr him and here he can't. Juggs ftw.

Saying hulk was receiving a beating from Juggernaut is just ridiculous.
Ill describe the order in which things happened. Juggernaut told hulk they had unfinished busness. Hulk turns and they start fighting. Juggernaut punches hulk and then stomps his head into the ground. The hulk then uses his to fist to hit juggernaut and then begins to squeeze juggernauts head. Juggernaut then headbuts the hulk to free himself and they then begin there pushing battle NOT a test of strength. Hulk is shown to be slowing the juggernaut but not stopping him( though it can be debated by some) he then moves out of the way and jugs crashes into the lake. Where did the hulk take a beating? The entire fight was only five hits with jugs getting 3 and hulk getting 2. How does that count as a beating? especially since jugs last hit was to break free of hulks grip. In a fight with no BFR jugs wins against almost anyone. In a fight with BFR hulk wins because he will gain the strength advantage needed to OVERPOWER juggernaut and BFR him.

CaptainStoic
bump

Dark-Jaxx
Juggernaut in their brawl was clearly the dominant fighter, WWH's punches had no effect, yet a single punch from Juggernaut sprayed blood from WWH's mouth.

Knowsbleed33
Juggernaut still.

iceman24567
Juggs still.

Grinning Goku
Originally posted by iceman24567
Juggs still.

vansonbee
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I don't know what you guys see, but Jugg and Hulk was fighting pound for pound. The Hulk dented Jugg helmet and crushing his helmet in the bottom panel*
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Here show Jugg pushing Hulk back as that is his power* but taking a look closely show Hulk wasn't pushed crazyly back compare to recent fights long ago, Hulk was getting stronger and stronger. The only reason Hulk BFR Jugg, because it took to long and wasn't important to him at that time. So rethink about that.
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Knowsbleed33
Originally posted by vansonbee
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I don't know what you guys see, but Jugg and Hulk was fighting pound for pound. The Hulk dented Jugg helmet and crushing his helmet in the bottom panel

We're seeing Juggernaut land 3 heavy blows (causing the Hulk to spit up blood from one of them) and the Hulk landing 1 that Juggernaut barely registers.

Does that sound about right?

Dark-Jaxx
Hulk crushed Juggernaut's helmet.

Which didn't hurt Juggernaut. no expression

Juggernaut with a single punch sent blood spraying from WWH's mouth, and then stomped his face into the dirt.

Juggernaut didn't even really get to build up any momentum when he pushed WWH. no expression

joshypooh
Cain loses.again!

vansonbee
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
We're seeing Juggernaut land 3 heavy blows (causing the Hulk to spit up blood from one of them) and the Hulk landing 1 that Juggernaut barely registers.

Does that sound about right? http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7075/wwhxmen3dcp0025af8vs9.th.jpghttp://img520.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif With the statement barely register? Juggernaut give out a yell in pain when Hulk punch him. The only reason Juggernaut didn't bleed from Hulks punch was because of that armor helmet.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Hulk crushed Juggernaut's helmet.

Which didn't hurt Juggernaut. no expression

Juggernaut with a single punch sent blood spraying from WWH's mouth, and then stomped his face into the dirt.

Juggernaut didn't even really get to build up any momentum when he pushed WWH. no expression
Juggernaut counters with headbutt before that could happen

Juggernaut is near level rival to Hulk, Juggernaut would of spill blood too, without his helmet and that where it leads to Hulk crushing his helmet attempt

Juggernaut doesn't need mometum, any motion can push a being back with ease and it wasn't even with ease. Hulk is getting stronger at ever moment. This version of WWH wasn't in the same class as the WWH fighting in ending of the story.

Like the other post above explaining WWH didn't want to waste time on Jugg. Like in all Hulk comics Hulk just get stronger and stronger

Knowsbleed33
You call that little "hngh!" a yell of pain?

Estacado
Cain.

SuperiorTech
Juggernaut

Nihilist
still juggs

and laughing out loud at pokemon cards being used in this fight

vansonbee
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
You call that little "hngh!" a yell of pain?
pain is pain in response? Your really ignoring everything when coming to Jugg isn't it? I guess writer for WWH Hulk should of pulled a Jeph Loeb? They tried to keep Jugg in condition where everyone can respect him as unstoppable force, also proving Hulk can beat him in more duration time.

Originally posted by Nihilist
still juggs

and laughing out loud at pokemon cards being used in this fight They are so cute smile

kakuzu
Yeah I believe Juggernaut wins. He is immortal. Hulk isn't. Since there is no BFR that would mean even after about a few days of fightign or weeks Hulk gets to Onslaughts level even if he knocks Juggs out it won't count.

Juggernaut wins. Technically Hulk should be able to do to much. One reason being he nearly lost the last time they fought. The strongest version of Hulk being able to give Juggernaut the most problem would be War Hulk.

Fro now Hulk loses.

kakuzu
Also WWH sucks when it comes to getting Angry, and healing. So people shouldn't try and use that. Classic Hulk sucks when it comes to getting stronger as well. In one fight it took him 6 hours to surpass Doc Samson. In another fight and Hour to get past Thors strength.

So to say he will getting stronger by the second is a false statement.

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by vansonbee
Juggernaut counters with headbutt before that could happen

Juggernaut is near level rival to Hulk, Juggernaut would of spill blood too, without his helmet and that where it leads to Hulk crushing his helmet attempt

Juggernaut doesn't need mometum, any motion can push a being back with ease and it wasn't even with ease. Hulk is getting stronger at ever moment. This version of WWH wasn't in the same class as the WWH fighting in ending of the story.

Like the other post above explaining WWH didn't want to waste time on Jugg. Like in all Hulk comics Hulk just get stronger and stronger 1. His helmet was dented.

2. Near rival? Juggernaut's strength is comparable, his durability is greater, as is his healing factor, and he is virtually unstoppable. Juggernaut would of spilled blood too? Based on? Juggernaut is impervious to physical harm.

3. They were already right up on then Juggernaut tried to push WWH back, without building momentum. WWH is getting stronger? Sure, that's kinda his thing, but in the physical fight Juggernaut was dominant. The WWH in the ending of the story wasn't fighting at all.

4. So we assume WWH could have physically beat him despite Juggernaut dominating the brawl?

tdazz
Juggernaut

BUSTER1
WWH is stronger but Jugss will eventually beat him because Hulk is just very durable whereas Cain in completely invulnerable. Juggs can hurt Hulk but Hulk can't hurt Juggs. Thor's godblast didn't even stun him when they fought

occultdestroyer
Originally posted by tdazz
Juggernaut

TheBadguy
Hulk at his peak in that arc would do Juggernot like Onslaught did to him.

Nihilist
Originally posted by TheBadguy
Hulk at his peak in that arc would do Juggernot like Onslaught did to him.

how,is hulk made of psionic energy now

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by Nihilist
how,is hulk made of psionic energy now Of course he is, he's the Hulk! durhulk

Nihilist
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Of course he is, he's the Hulk! durhulk

fair point

iceman24567
Wow Juggs still wins.

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