OMEGA RED vs, DEATHSTROKE

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TheGame17
sounds like this would be a kool fight.
no prep.
how does this go?...

Juk3n
Red is a beast - Death spores will be the factor

Good fight though Red 6/10

Endrict Nuul
Red 8-9/10

TheGame17
Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Red 8-9/10

oh i was thinking more O.R. 6/10.

Couldn't deathstroke get some legitimate wins in this?...

Endrict Nuul
Originally posted by TheGame17
oh i was thinking more O.R. 6/10.

Couldn't deathstroke get some legitimate wins in this?...


Nope..

Red's a better fighter, has better durability, stronger, almost unbreakable trils, a HF and those deathspores that will kill DS in under a minute.

TheGame17
Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Nope..

Red's a better fighter, has better durability, stronger, almost unbreakable trils, a HF and those deathspores that will kill DS in under a minute.

o confused

ok well how bout Deathstroke gets 1 hour to prepare.
How does the fight go now?...

fangirl101
Hmm. Didn't Death stroke Take out the Teen Titans and The JLA before? He can get at least 5 wins out of ten against Red.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by fangirl101
Hmm. Didn't Death stroke Take out the Teen Titans and The JLA before? He can get at least 5 wins out of ten against Red.

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Prep time Deathstroke and standard eqiupment - straight up fight Deathstroke are two different beats.

Omega Red is going to take the high majority in a straight fight 9/10 maybe even a clean sweap. If he makes contact with his tentacles, the fight is over. If he makes contact with his hands the fight is over. If Deathstroke stays out of range of those, then the deathspores get him and the fight is still over... but it will take a little longer.

fangirl101
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Prep time Deathstroke and standard eqiupment - straight up fight Deathstroke are two different beats.

Omega Red is going to take the high majority in a straight fight 9/10 maybe even a clean sweap. If he makes contact with his tentacles, the fight is over. If he makes contact with his hands the fight is over. If Deathstroke stays out of range of those, then the deathspores get him and the fight is still over... but it will take a little longer.

Or Deathstrokes Meta Grenades Kill Omega 10/10. They are made to take out guys like superman. See how easy that was.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by fangirl101
Or Deathstrokes Meta Grenades Kill Omega 10/10. They are made to take out guys like superman. See how easy that was.


And they aren't part of his standard gear...

and they failed to kill Robin.

Easy.

fangirl101
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And they aren't part of his standard gear...

and they failed to kill Robin.

Easy.

Um What is that lil belt he has around his shoulder and midsection ALL of the time? I thought that was PART of his standard Gear. Which includes meta grenades. And we don't include PIS in forum fights. Of course they failed to kill Robin. It's a story in which DC didn't want to kill one of it's main properties. That would be like asking why WWH failed to kill the xmen. When he could have.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by fangirl101
Um What is that lil belt he has around his shoulder and midsection ALL of the time? I thought that was PART of his standard Gear. Which includes meta grenades. And we don't include PIS in forum fights. Of course they failed to kill Robin. It's a story in which DC didn't want to kill one of it's main properties. That would be like asking why WWH failed to kill the xmen. When he could have.

... That "belt" around his shoulder is ammo - or to be more preciase, a bandolier - not grenades.

fangirl101
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... That "belt" around his shoulder is ammo - or to be more preciase, a bandolier - not grenades.

So he just happens to pull meta grenades out of his ass. Nice hiding place for grenades.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by fangirl101
So he just happens to pull meta grenades out of his ass. Nice hiding place for grenades.

Slade doesn't always carry grenades. When he does they are hanging on his belt - the one around his waist, not the one around his chest - and you can see them. When he does carry grenades, the majority of the time they are standard frag or thermite grenades. He used a "meta" grenade once - meta is in quotations because their is no reference to it being anything other than a standard grenade and a weak showing for Superboy and Wondergirl. Meta grenades aren't part of his standard gear... if they exist at all.

Endrict Nuul
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I don't see meta grenades in any of those pictures? fangirl101 must have X-ray vision?

Priest
Wtf is a meta grenade?

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Priest
Wtf is a meta grenade?

A myth.

iceman24567
Slades healing factor will keep him in long enough to get knocked the **** our pardon my French.

fangirl101
Originally posted by iceman24567
Slades healing factor will keep him in long enough to get knocked the **** our pardon my French.
Colosuss didn't have a healing factor and he kept on recovering from Omega's touch and spors.

iceman24567
Originally posted by fangirl101
Colosuss didn't have a healing factor and he kept on recovering from Omega's touch and spors. I was wondering why he got up after Logan saved his ass...Red was with out armor in that fight too so maybe that helped those two idiots.

Priest
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A myth.
Coming from Nver i figured.

TheGame17
Ok so yeah just to remind everyone, Deathstroke get 1 hour to prepare...

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by fangirl101
Colosuss didn't have a healing factor and he kept on recovering from Omega's touch and spors.

He was only exposed to the touch for seconds at a time because Wolverine kept saving him. Slade won't have any back-up.

fangirl101
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He was only exposed to the touch for seconds at a time because Wolverine kept saving him. Slade won't have any back-up.

Slade is also faster than Colossus and a much much better fighter. Who has a healing factor.

Daredevil1
Originally posted by fangirl101
Colosuss didn't have a healing factor and he kept on recovering from Omega's touch and spors.


I imagine that class of strength and power can endure long even if he doesn't have a healing factor.

Which Slade lacks that type of power that Colossus brings.

fangirl101
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I imagine that class of strength and power can endure long even if he doesn't have a healing factor.

Which Slade lacks that type of power that Colossus brings.

Slade has beaten a couple of GL's, Wonder Woman, Flash( a couple of them) he see's things in slow motion, red wouldn't even be able to touch slade if he didn't want him to, and his far superior to colossus in skill.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by fangirl101
Slade is also faster than Colossus and a much much better fighter. Who has a healing factor.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Slade is also faster than Colossus and a much much better fighter. Who has a healing factor.

He isn't enough better in any level for it to help him. Slade is fast. Wolverine is faster. Slade is a good fighter. Wolverine is a much much better fighter. Slade has a healing factor. Wolverine has a much much much much much better one. Omega Red was handling both Colossus and Wolverine at the same time - without his armor and by the looks of it his death factor - Slade can't compete.

fangirl101
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He isn't enough better in any level for it to help him. Slade is fast. Wolverine is faster. Slade is a good fighter. Wolverine is a much much better fighter. Slade has a healing factor. Wolverine has a much much much much much better one. Omega Red was handling both Colossus and Wolverine at the same time - without his armor and by the looks of it his death factor - Slade can't compete. Wait. So you think Wolverine is faster? when has wolverine faced anyone like a flash? You think Wolverine is a better fighter? You think Wolvie could go toe to toe with Wonder Woman or Batman in skill alone? Hell Wonder Woman is far stronger than Slade and he still hung. I think you got the wrong slade.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by fangirl101
Wait. So you think Wolverine is faster? when has wolverine faced anyone like a flash? You think Wolverine is a better fighter? You think Wolvie could go toe to toe with Wonder Woman or Batman in skill alone? Hell Wonder Woman is far stronger than Slade and he still hung. I think you got the wrong slade.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

Flash is a jobber. Slade competing with him almost always directly attributed to A) prep and B) his ability to predict his opponents (ie Flash is an idiot who will run into a sword with out looking). Little to do with speed.

Wonder Woman didn't use her speed in her "fight" with Deathstroke and she ended it the moment she got serious. Wolverine would do just as well in the same situation.

Slade going toe to toe with Batman has nothing - NOTHING - to do with skill. Slade superhuman across the board, Batman is not; and still Batman has managed to beat him in combat and even when he lost Slade was in rough shape. Slade's lack of skill - by comparison to the high end MA streets - is the reason he doesn't completely WTF own Batman. Slade is a third tier fighter interms of skill.

... and because you asked, yes Wolverine is more skilled that Batman.

iceman24567
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
roll eyes (sarcastic)

Flash is a jobber. Slade competing with him almost always directly attributed to A) prep and B) his ability to predict his opponents (ie Flash is an idiot who will run into a sword with out looking). Little to do with speed.

Wonder Woman didn't use her speed in her "fight" with Deathstroke and she ended it the moment she got serious. Wolverine would do just as well in the same situation.

Slade going toe to toe with Batman has nothing - NOTHING - to do with skill. Slade superhuman across the board, Batman is not; and still Batman has managed to beat him in combat and even when he lost Slade was in rough shape. Slade's lack of skill - by comparison to the high end MA streets - is the reason he doesn't completely WTF own Batman. Slade is a third tier fighter interms of skill.

... and because you asked, yes Wolverine is more skilled that Batman. Wolverine is more skilled than Batman? smile

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by iceman24567
Wolverine is more skilled than Batman? smile

Wolverine is in a three way tie for Marvel's Earth most skilled combatant. Batman isn't in even in DC's top five... a top five composed of the DC equivalents of Shang Chi (skillwise - none of them have his level of chi state amping)... who doesn't make Marvel's top three.

fangirl101
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine is in a three way tie for Marvel's Earth most skilled combatant. Batman isn't in even in DC's top five... a top five composed of the DC equivalents of Shang Chi (skillwise - none of them have his level of chi state amping)... who doesn't make Marvel's top three.

Doesn't matter if he's in the top 5 or not. I'm willing to bet DC's Top 3 would murder marvel's in skill. Hell Karate Kid could do all 3 of them in in a skill only contest.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by fangirl101
Doesn't matter if he's in the top 5 or not. I'm willing to bet DC's Top 3 would murder marvel's in skill. Hell Karate Kid could do all 3 of them in in a skill only contest.

I was ignoring KK embarrasment

Anyway current Legion KK (not the time traveling Pre Crisis one) isn't that hot. He pretty much DC's Karnak; Cap or Batman would have decent odds with him in h2h.

Anyway Marvel has fighters that have been stated to have mastered every known martial art, on panel. As ridiculous as it is - it is something no one in DC can boast (excluding KK again). Marvel's MA's are generally more skilled than DC's.

fangirl101
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I was ignoring KK embarrasment

Anyway current Legion KK (not the time traveling Pre Crisis one) isn't that hot. He pretty much DC's Karnak; Cap or Batman would have decent odds with him in h2h.

Anyway Marvel has fighters that have been stated to have mastered every known martial art, on panel. As ridiculous as it is - it is something no one in DC can boast (excluding KK again). Marvel's MA's are generally more skilled than DC's.

Wait. First of all, there is more than one KK. All of whom are canon. There is also a list of martial artist in DC who are rediculous. lady Shiva. Batgirl. judo master. She actually was able to dish it to Gog. with no SUPERPOWERS. come now.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by fangirl101
Wait. First of all, there is more than one KK. All of whom are canon. There is also a list of martial artist in DC who are rediculous. lady Shiva. Batgirl. judo master. She actually was able to dish it to Gog. with no SUPERPOWERS. come now.

Yes but Supergirl and Legion of Superheroes, Karate Kid is the most current version, so he is used by default according to KMC rules (or is supposed to be but everyones mind goes straight to Pre Crisis KK around here).

Lady Shiva, Dragon, Batgirl, Connor, Drakon, Bronze Tiger, Vixen. They are all better than Batman and they are all amazing martial artists; but even the best of them couldn't edge out Shang Chi in a match of pure skill. Shang Chi is a monster. He has beaten half a dozen monks who where trained in every fighting style by himself in h2h combat, he is insanely skilled... but even he isn't on the same level as Captain America and Wolverine.

Starscream M
Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Lady Shiva, Dragon, Batgirl, Connor, Drakon, Bronze Tiger, Vixen. They are all better than Batman utter bull faeces. maybe in the handbooks perhaps, but batman would own every single one of them in one-on-one combat.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Starscream M
utter bull faeces. maybe in the handbooks perhaps, but batman would own every single one of them in one-on-one combat.

*sigh*

DC doesn't have hand books...

They are all Batman's superior in h2h skill.

iceman24567
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
*sigh*

DC doesn't have hand books...

They are all Batman's superior in h2h skill. Says you? Wolverine may be top 3 in Marvel but that says nothing about his skill compared to Batman. Batman has beaten Lady Shiva and Bronze Tiger before. Batman may not be number 3 but thats saying a lot when you look at the list of Dc martial artists. To me Batman beat Logan in the skill department not by much but by enough.

Starscream M
Originally posted by srankmissingnin


They are all Batman's superior in h2h skill. prove it...and don't tell me cuz batman said so

iceman24567
Ok we are slightly off topic some just make a Wolverine vs Batman h2h thread to finish this.

Eel O'Brian
In the battle for most skilled between DC and Marvel, do the combatants have to be earth-based?

The best of Marvel certainly aren't, but I think most of DC's are on earth.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by iceman24567
Says you? Wolverine may be top 3 in Marvel but that says nothing about his skill compared to Batman. Batman has beaten Lady Shiva and Bronze Tiger before. Batman may not be number 3 but thats saying a lot when you look at the list of Dc martial artists. To me Batman beat Logan in the skill department not by much but by enough.

The only time Batman has beaten Lady Shiva one on one she was mind controlled. Not that impressive, and a feat he hasn't be able to replicated when both are at their best. Batman isn't on the same level as Shiva. She has said as much. Nightwing has insinuated as much.

DC's entire list (excluding Drakon who is hard to place) is composed of combatants who are equal to or inferior to Shang Chi in terms of skill. Wolverine has railed through Shang Chi in three panels; Batman (or anyone else on DC top fighter list) has accomplished a similar fight against someone that skilled. If Shang Chi was magically transported to DC, he'd be tied for DC's number one spot... in Marvel he is inferior to both Captain America and Wolverine. Marvel's street level martial artists are on a higher level than DC's.

Starscream M
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only time Batman has beaten Lady Shiva one on one she was mind controlled. Not that impressive, and a feat he hasn't be able to replicated when both are at their best. Batman isn't on the same level as Shiva. She has said as much. Nightwing has insinuated as much.

DC's entire list (excluding Drakon who is hard to place) is composed of combatants who are equal to or inferior to Shang Chi in terms of skill. Wolverine has railed through Shang Chi in three panels; Batman (or anyone else on DC top fighter list) has accomplished a similar fight against someone that skilled. If Shang Chi was magically transported to DC, he'd be tied for DC's number one spot... in Marvel he is inferior to both Captain America and Wolverine. Marvel's street level martial artists are on a higher level than DC's. you must be joking

shang chi isn't even one of the top 3 fighters in marvel, he's a joke

batman would own shang in a straight up MA battle

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
In the battle for most skilled between DC and Marvel, do the combatants have to be earth-based?

The best of Marvel certainly aren't, but I think most of DC's are on earth.

I was originally only talking about Earth based MAs, but stopped using the qualifier somewhere along the line. I also left out ubre supper MA's like Stick, Ogun and the Mandarin.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Starscream M
you must be joking

shang chi isn't even one of the top 3 fighters in marvel, he's a joke

batman would own shang in a straight up MA battle

You are an idiot.

Shang Chi is a master of every martial art. Batman isn't.

Shang Chi has beaten other fighters who are masters of every martial art... several of them... at the same time. Batman hasn't.

Shang Chi has amped his durability enough to take a direct hit from Hiriom - who with the old strong was almost as strong as the Hulk. Batman hasn't.

Shang Chi has an array of powerful chi based techniques like the Silent Scream. Batman doesn't.

Shang Chi is a monster. He isn't in Marvel's top three, because Marvel's top three is composed of people far superior to DCs.

iceman24567
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only time Batman has beaten Lady Shiva one on one she was mind controlled. Not that impressive, and a feat he hasn't be able to replicated when both are at their best. Batman isn't on the same level as Shiva. She has said as much. Nightwing has insinuated as much.

DC's entire list (excluding Drakon who is hard to place) is composed of combatants who are equal to or inferior to Shang Chi in terms of skill. Wolverine has railed through Shang Chi in three panels; Batman (or anyone else on DC top fighter list) has accomplished a similar fight against someone that skilled. If Shang Chi was magically transported to DC, he'd be tied for DC's number one spot... in Marvel he is inferior to both Captain America and Wolverine. Marvel's street level martial artists are on a higher level than DC's. Nah he would get owned by Judo Master and Karate kid in less than 2 panels. Shang Chi isn't that impressive. Cap isn't more impressive than Batman skill wise. I give Cap a slight majority because of his peak human endurance. You have to be the funniest guy on KMC now. laughing

iceman24567
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You are an idiot.

Shang Chi is a master of every martial art. Batman isn't.

Shang Chi has beaten other fighters who are masters of every martial art... several of them... at the same time. Batman hasn't.

Shang Chi has amped his durability enough to take a direct hit from Hiriom - who with the old strong was almost as strong as the Hulk. Batman hasn't.

Shang Chi has an array of powerful chi based techniques like the Silent Scream. Batman doesn't.

Shang Chi is a monster. He isn't in Marvel's top three, because Marvel's top three is composed of people far superior to DCs. Wow ok we can play that game Batman has taken on Amazo with a little help from Robin Batman Has also Koed Grundy and beat the stuffing out of Gorilla Grodd everybody has high feats Shang Chi in straight h2h would probably get a pair of black eyes against Batman his chi powers give him a killer edge i give you that. Oh and Batman has fought a master that trained for more than 100 years and stalemated him for about 5 panels. roll eyes (sarcastic)

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah he would get owned by Judo Master and Karate kid in less than 2 panels. Shang Chi isn't that impressive. Cap isn't more impressive than Batman skill wise. I give Cap a slight majority because of his peak human endurance. You have to be the funniest guy on KMC now. laughing

Judomaster? Her hitting Gog twice, doing no damage and then getting koed, isn't that impressive. Current Karate Kid, also isn't that impressive - Read Supergirl and the Legion of Super-heroes - he is pretty much DC's Karnak... but Shang Chi would never end up fighting him anyway.

Captain America is more skilled that Batman.

Starscream M
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You are an idiot.

Shang Chi is a master of every martial art. Batman isn't.

Shang Chi has beaten other fighters who are masters of every martial art... several of them... at the same time. Batman hasn't.

Shang Chi has amped his durability enough to take a direct hit from Hiriom - who with the old strong was almost as strong as the Hulk. Batman hasn't.

Shang Chi has an array of powerful chi based techniques like the Silent Scream. Batman doesn't.

Shang Chi is a monster. He isn't in Marvel's top three, because Marvel's top three is composed of people far superior to DCs. dood, if you're going to pull out a list of who's been beaten, few MA fighters if any can top Batman's feats

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by iceman24567
Wow ok we can play that game Batman has taken on Amazo with a little help from Robin Batman Has also Koed Grundy and beat the stuffing out of Gorilla Grodd everybody has high feats Shang Chi in straight h2h would probably get a pair of black eyes against Batman his chi powers give him a killer edge i give you that. Oh and Batman has fought a master that trained for more than 100 years and stalemated him for about 5 panels. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Shang Chi's high end feats are directly attributed to skill; are Batman's? No. That Amazo was a chump, Batman blew his legs off for pity sake. Grundy's powerlevel fluxuaties with every resurection. Gorilla Grodd, isn't exactly known for his skills. Who is this 100 year old master you are talking about?

iceman24567
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Judomaster? Her hitting Gog twice, doing no damage and then getting koed, isn't that impressive. Current Karate Kid, also isn't that impressive - Read Supergirl and the Legion of Super-heroes - he is pretty much DC's Karnak... but Shang Chi would never end up fighting him anyway.

Captain America is more skilled that Batman. Nah Batman is the more skilled fighter take away his serum and a bet a venom pumped Bane would break his back too.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah Batman is the more skilled fighter take away his serum and a bet a venom pumped Bane would break his back too.

When Cap lost his surum he was still peak human and was busting shit up.

Anyway Captain America is a master of every martial art. Batman isn't. Captain America is widely considered to be the best fighter on Marvel Earth (excluding the aforementioned ubre super MAs), he is the top dog, he is the guy to beat. If you want to make a name for your self in DC as a Martial artist then you pick a fight with Shiva or Richard Dragon, not Batman.

Juntai
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Shang Chi was magically transported to DC, he'd be tied for DC's number one spot... in Marvel he is inferior to both Captain America and Wolverine. Marvel's street level martial artists are on a higher level than DC's. Shang Chi would be below Spoiler.


See how easy it is to make bullshit bias claims at random?

iceman24567
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shang Chi's high end feats are directly attributed to skill; are Batman's? No. That Amazo was a chump, Batman blew his legs off for pity sake. Grundy's powerlevel fluxuaties with every resurection. Gorilla Grodd, isn't exactly known for his skills. Who is this 100 year old master you are talking about? I forgot his name let me look it up one second. Like i said everybody has their high end feats.

srankmissingnin
Seriously, Shang Chi is a mirror image of Richard Dragon in terms of skill. That's about as close as you can get to Shang in DC comics... only Dragon can't do half the things Shang Chi can. Batman has proven unable to beat Dragon or Shiva in one on one combat when they are both at their fighting best with skill alone... and he is physically superior to them both and wears body armor. Marvel's top tiers have beaten Shang Chi. When Zaran needed to improve his cred after Shang Chi kicked his ass, he knew he'd need to beat an even more skilled opponent so he challenged Captain America.

iceman24567
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
When Cap lost his surum he was still peak human and was busting shit up.

Anyway Captain America is a master of every martial art. Batman isn't. Captain America is widely considered to be the best fighter on Marvel Earth (excluding the aforementioned ubre super MAs), he is the top dog, he is the guy to beat. If you want to make a name for your self in DC as a Martial artist then you pick a fight with Shiva or Richard Dragon, not Batman. No he is not a master of every martial art? Show me a scan of that or something he may be adept but not a master i may be wrong but i doubt it.

Starscream M
wow, we actually have a Shang Chi fanboy on KMC...I've seen everything and can die a content man

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by iceman24567
No he is not a master of every martial art? Show me a scan of that or something he may be adept but not a master i may be wrong but i doubt it.

I don't have the scan. He is fighting Zemo when he says it.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Starscream M
wow, we actually have a Shang Chi fanboy on KMC...I've seen everything and can die a content man

Raise your hands if you've read enough of Shang Chi's comics to know what you are talking about.

*raises hand*

Raise your hands if you haven't ever read a single comic with Shang Chi in and are talking out of your ass

... You can raise your hand now Masterbruce

juggernaut74
Considering Red's recent performance in Uncanny I'd have to go with him.

Juntai
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Seriously, Shang Chi is a mirror image of Richard Dragon in terms of skill. That's about as close as you can get to Shang in DC comics... only Dragon can't do half the things Shang Chi can. Batman has proven unable to beat Dragon or Shiva in one on one combat when they are both at their fighting best with skill alone... and he is physically superior to them both and wears body armor. Marvel's top tiers have beaten Shang Chi. When Zaran needed to improve his cred after Shang Chi kicked his ass, he knew he'd need to beat an even more skilled opponent so he challenged Captain America. And neither Shiva, nor Dragon has gotten the better of Bruce either. The same cannot be said the other way around. Not only has Batman defeated Shiva, but he had also proven the ability to Batgirl in a few panels with minimal effort, who is Shiva's clear better- shown on multiple occasions.




We've been through this several times, and each times you keep up the same drivel.

Juntai
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't have the scan. Of course you don't.

iceman24567
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't have the scan. He is fighting Zemo when he says it. Ok i know which fight you mean he said he is adept at every known martial art in the world big grin not a master. Still impressive but Batman is adept at over 120 martial arts so yeah...

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Juntai
And neither Shiva, nor Dragon has gotten the better of Bruce either. The same cannot be said the other way around. Not only has Batman defeated Shiva, but he had also proven the ability to Batgirl in a few panels with minimal effort, who is Shiva's clear better- shown on multiple occasions.




We've been through this several times, and each times you keep up the same drivel.

I'm not intirely convinced that Cass is Shiva's superior. Her victories seem to have more to do with A)CIS on Shiva's part B) Shiva has a death wish and C) some sort of twisted motherly affection. Until Shiva busts out the Leopards blow she his playing with the kid gloves IMO.

Once again. Cass was shown to be Bruce's superior in that little exchange. He thought he won... and ended up coughing up blood and Cass had a big 'ol smirk on her face. I'll ask you - why include those panels if not to show that dispite appearances, Cass came out on top? If the intention was to show that Batman was superior, they would have left it out; instead he ends up coughing up blood with out even realising he sustained that time of internal damage.

So now you are trying to say that Batman was coughing up blood for some totally unrelated injury that he sustained form an other battle? Sheesh! The intire point of that little scrimish was to show that Cass had gotten the better of Batman with out him even realising it. Seriously Bruce was on the run from Cass for a whole issue. He was using all the tricks he had to get away. She kept him on the defensive the whole time... and she was just trying to snake a kiss from him.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by iceman24567
Ok i know which fight you mean he said he is adept at every known martial art in the world big grin not a master. Still impressive but Batman is adept at over 120 martial arts so yeah...

That is just semantics though.

Juntai
Originally posted by iceman24567
Ok i know which fight you mean he said he is adept at every known martial art in the world big grin not a master. Still impressive but Batman is adept at over 120 martial arts so yeah... http://www.batman-of-gotham.supanet.com/Batman_JLAMember_JimLee.jpg

Batman is MASTER of nearly ALL forms of combat... not just Martial arts.

Even Alfred in one of the recent issues, talking with a concerned Robin, commented on how Batman was trained to 'absolute mastery' from all the worlds top martial artsists.

Juntai
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That is just semantics though. It's entirely a case of adept not even being close to master level.

iceman24567
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That is just semantics though. You could say that but being adept still doesn't equal mastery Batman on panel has MASTERED more martial arts. eek! I don't like playing with words but thats all we can do when it come to reading comics...

Juntai
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm not intirely convinced that Cass is Shiva's superior. Her victories seem to have more to do with A)CIS on Shiva's part B) Shiva has a death wish and C) some sort of twisted motherly affection. Until Shiva busts out the Leopards blow she his playing with the kid gloves IMO.

Once again. Cass was shown to be Bruce's superior in that little exchange. He thought he won... and ended up coughing up blood and Cass had a big 'ol smirk on her face. I'll ask you - why include those panels if not to show that dispite appearances, Cass came out on top? If the intention was to show that Batman was superior, they would have left it out; instead he ends up coughing up blood with out even realising he sustained that time of internal damage.

So now you are trying to say that Batman was coughing up blood for some totally unrelated injury that he sustained form an other battle? Sheesh! The intire point of that little scrimish was to show that Cass had gotten the better of Batman with out him even realising it. Seriously Bruce was on the run from Cass for a whole issue. He was using all the tricks he had to get away. She kept him on the defensive the whole time... and she was just trying to snake a kiss from him. He had a kill strike, if he wanted to take it. Lets make an exchange, you make me cought up blood, and I'll kill you, and then I'll ask the cops who won when they show up. Don't be an idiot, she knew she was beaten, it was clearly depicted she was beaten. You're reaching entirely too far, she was completely and utterly frozen in fear at Batman's speed strength and skill.

iceman24567
Originally posted by Juntai
http://www.batman-of-gotham.supanet.com/Batman_JLAMember_JimLee.jpg

Batman is MASTER of nearly ALL forms of combat... not just Martial arts.

Even Alfred in one of the recent issues, talking with a concerned Robin, commented on how Batman was trained to 'absolute mastery' from all the worlds top martial artsists. Thanks for that sir never knew about that there.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Juntai
It's entirely a case of adept not even being close to master level.

Not really. You could argue that the connotative mean would imply a lesser degree of skill, but not the denotative meaning... and we are back at semantics.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Juntai
http://www.batman-of-gotham.supanet.com/Batman_JLAMember_JimLee.jpg

Batman is MASTER of nearly ALL forms of combat... not just Martial arts.

Even Alfred in one of the recent issues, talking with a concerned Robin, commented on how Batman was trained to 'absolute mastery' from all the worlds top martial artsists.

We are just talking about one panel statements of skill. By the same token both Wolverine and Deadpool have mastered every martial art, but it isn't something that can be verified by on panel examples in continuity.

srankmissingnin
I'm about to go out, if you guys want to save your replies for a couple of hours, it will make replying to them easier.

Juntai
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
We are just talking about one panel statements of skill. By the same token both Wolverine and Deadpool have mastered every martial art, but it isn't something that can be verified by on panel examples in continuity. However, at least Batman's example is the narration, and not a random panel of attempting to brag and rattle an opponents confidence.

We have to go by what evidence is given to us in the comics.

Nice way to try to downplay it however, once the evidence gets thrown in your face.

Btw, for future reference, here's your Cap scan.

iceman24567
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm about to go out, if you guys want to save your replies for a couple of hours, it will make replying to them easier. I will try and remember but the cronic has gotten to my memory.

iceman24567
Originally posted by Juntai
However, at least Batman's example is the narration, and not a random panel of attempting to brag and rattle an opponents confidence.

Nice way to try to downplay it however, once the evidence gets thrown in your face.

Btw, for future reference, here's your Cap scan. Yeah i nailed that in the ass laughing

srankmissingnin
Since clearly none of you have any idea who Shang Chi here are some scans. Read comics people. Read them or don't open your mouths. Now, please let me know which of the fallowing feats you feel Batman, Dragon, Cass, or Shiva would be able to replicate.

Wisdom 03: Skill / Speed / Durability / Chi

Shang Chi confronts a dragon in human form. He ends up fight a score of gangsters and totally decimates them with out taking a single hit. The bar keep tries to shoot Shang Chi, but he shows his bullet time speed. Then he starts fighting the Dragon... and stops half way through the fight to have a brief conversation WHILE STANDING ON THE CEILING. The dragon shifts out of his human form and lands a colossal upper cut on Shang Chi that rockets him through the building and thousands of feet into the air. The dragon flys up to catch him on his way down and they both slam hard into the ground. Shang Chi is unhurt... in fact he is happy.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg09.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg11.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg14.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg15.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg17.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg18.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg19.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg20.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg21.jpg

Heroes for Hire 12: Strength / Skill / Chi

Shang Chi amps his body to take a direct punch from Hiroim. Hiroim posses the Old Strong, which gives him Hulk like strength among other abilities. Shang Chi briefly grapples with him before being over powered.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Heroes_for_Hire_12_10Strength-1.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Heroes_for_Hire_12_12Strength-1.jpg


Marvel Comics Presents 156: Skill / Speed

Shang Chi spins around so fast he creates a miniature tornado that conceals his body. He then moves out of the tornado and flanks his opponents with out them realising it. Takes of the shooters down with a subtle tap to the neck and blitzes another.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/MarvelComicsPresents156b-11-1.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/MarvelComicsPresents156b-12-1.jpg

Marvel Comics Presents 158: Skill / Chi

Shang Chi uses one of his chi abilities - the Silent Scream - to end his fight with Lazarus. It shatters all the windows in the church he is fighting in and kos Lazarus.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/MarvelComicsPresents158b-16-1.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/MarvelComicsPresents158b-17-1.jpg

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Juntai
However, at least Batman's example is the narration, and not a random panel of attempting to brag and rattle an opponents confidence.

We have to go by what evidence is given to us in the comics.

Nice way to try to downplay it however, once the evidence gets thrown in your face.

Btw, for future reference, here's your Cap scan.


Yeah... but it is a narration of an JLA handbook or guide is it not?

Starscream M
so basically Shang Chi tries to show off against pathetic B-listers (Hirom? Lazarous? who the hell are these losers)

batman faces toptiers and does well (darkseid, grundy, superman)

please stop it with the undeserved Shang Chi wankage

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Starscream M
so basically Shang Chi tries to show off against pathetic B-listers (Hirom? Lazarous? who the hell are these losers)

batman faces toptiers and does well (darkseid, grundy, superman)

please stop it with the undeserved Shang Chi wankage

Find one thing, in the scans I provided that Batman can replicate. Please.

Gundy isn't a top tier. Batman does "well" against Superman with prep and kryptonite. Attack Darkseid and surviving is the same as "doing well" and Darkseid is a notorious jobber. And none of that translated into martial art skill.

Starscream M
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Find one thing, in the scans I provided that Batman can replicate. Please.

Gundy isn't a top tier. Batman does "well" against Superman with prep and kryptonite. Attack Darkseid and surviving is the same as "doing well" and Darkseid is a notorious jobber. And none of that translated into martial art skill. batman has survived against a mindcontrolled Superman coming after him. (without kryptonite or prep)..Shang Chi has done nothing close to rival that

and even with the scan of supposed skill, against Hirom, Shang Chi looks to be in pretty sad shape..I dont think you should use that to build him up

you think Shang Chi can survive against an angry superman roll eyes (sarcastic)

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Starscream M
batman has survived against a mindcontrolled Superman coming after him. (without kryptonite or prep)..Shang Chi has done nothing close to rival that

and even with the scan of supposed skill, against Hirom, Shang Chi looks to be in pretty sad shape..I dont think you should use that to build him up

you think Shang Chi can survive against an angry superman roll eyes (sarcastic)

Do you think Batman can survive against an angry Superman?

Anyway. Batman has shown he can't take down Lady Shiva in a fair fight. He has shown he can't take down Richard Dragon in a fair fight. He has been on the run for an intire fight from Batgirl when she was just trying to kiss him. Batman can't beat this people; the very best he can do is stalemate them. None of them - not a single one - have shown the same level of skill as Shang Chi. Not of them have shown a level of speed, power or versatily on par with Shang Chi. If Batman isn't skilled enough to take Lady Shiva, Dragon, or Cass in a straight no questions asked fight, then he CAN'T beat Shang Chi.

There is no way in hell Batman is as skilled as Shang Chi.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Since clearly none of you have any idea who Shang Chi here are some scans. Read comics people. Read them or don't open your mouths. Now, please let me know which of the fallowing feats you feel Batman, Dragon, Cass, or Shiva would be able to replicate.

Wisdom 03: Skill / Speed / Durability / Chi

Shang Chi confronts a dragon in human form. He ends up fight a score of gangsters and totally decimates them with out taking a single hit. The bar keep tries to shoot Shang Chi, but he shows his bullet time speed. Then he starts fighting the Dragon... and stops half way through the fight to have a brief conversation WHILE STANDING ON THE CEILING. The dragon shifts out of his human form and lands a colossal upper cut on Shang Chi that rockets him through the building and thousands of feet into the air. The dragon flys up to catch him on his way down and they both slam hard into the ground. Shang Chi is unhurt... in fact he is happy.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg09.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg11.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg14.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg15.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg17.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg18.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg19.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg20.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Wisdom03pg21.jpg

Heroes for Hire 12: Strength / Skill / Chi

Shang Chi amps his body to take a direct punch from Hiroim. Hiroim posses the Old Strong, which gives him Hulk like strength among other abilities. Shang Chi briefly grapples with him before being over powered.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Heroes_for_Hire_12_10Strength-1.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/Heroes_for_Hire_12_12Strength-1.jpg


Marvel Comics Presents 156: Skill / Speed

Shang Chi spins around so fast he creates a miniature tornado that conceals his body. He then moves out of the tornado and flanks his opponents with out them realising it. Takes of the shooters down with a subtle tap to the neck and blitzes another.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/MarvelComicsPresents156b-11-1.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/MarvelComicsPresents156b-12-1.jpg

Marvel Comics Presents 158: Skill / Chi

Shang Chi uses one of his chi abilities - the Silent Scream - to end his fight with Lazarus. It shatters all the windows in the church he is fighting in and kos Lazarus.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/MarvelComicsPresents158b-16-1.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/shangchirespectthread/MarvelComicsPresents158b-17-1.jpg

Starscream M
where do you pull this bull faeces that Shang Chi is somehow superior to Shiva, Dragon, etc? you seem to state that as fact when it is far from such.

Shang Chi is barely a toptier fighter in marvel, and you are gonna claim he is somehow much superior to DC's best fighters? what a joke

also, you also made an erroneous statement that Cap America is more skilled than batman. That is clearly false, since Bats was able to stalemate Cap DESPITE Cap having every physical advantage.

Juntai
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Find one thing, in the scans I provided that Batman can replicate. Please. Show me Captain America replicating those.

See, and he's more skilled by your own words?

Nice job, hypocrite.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Starscream M
where do you pull this bull faeces that Shang Chi is somehow superior to Shiva, Dragon, etc? you seem to state that as fact when it is far from such.

Shang Chi is barely a toptier fighter in marvel, and you are gonna claim he is somehow much superior to DC's best fighters? what a joke

also, you also made an erroneous statement that Cap America is more skilled than batman. That is clearly false, since Bats was able to stalemate Cap DESPITE Cap having every physical advantage.

Shang Chi is an amazing martial artist. In terms of skill he is a mirror image of Shiva or Dragon; but he can also do crazy as chi feats. If he was in DC's he'd be buying for the top spot. But in Marvel he has to compete against Captain America, (who is much, older, has much more experience, learns at superhuman rate and spent hundreds of years repeating the same situation and kept his memories), Wolverine (who his much older, has much more experience, has been trained Ogun - who uses quasi-mystical abilities in his training - and has been hinted as being the constantly reincarnating "Hand of God"wink, and Elektra (magic, magic, magic). DC's MA's are much more grounded in reality.

Now you are citing cross overs for evidence. Ohhhhhhhhhhh christ. Wolverine beat Lobo! ZOMG! Hitman beat Lobo! ZOMG! Get your head out of the sand please.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Juntai
Show me Captain America replicating those.

See, and he's more skilled by your own words?

Nice job, hypocrite.

My saying Captain America is more skilled is based off the fact that he was said to be more skilled on panel, and is more or less Wolverine's equal in skill - Wolverine of course being one of the few people to beat Shang Chi, let alone humiliate him. When Zaran the Weapon Master tried to redeem himself for getting mud-stomped by Shang Chi, he went after Captain America because Cap was better (then he went after Wolverine when Cap beat him up).

Can Captain America or Wolverine replicate those feats? No, but Wolverine not being able to bust out Chi abilities was attributed to his adamantium skeleton and him not having piece of mind and piece of body (he is fundamentally at odds with himself)... I don't know if Cap has an excuse. Wolverine has shown himself to be the more skilled of the two and Cap is more or less Logan's equal.

Juntai
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
My saying Captain America is more skilled is based off the fact that he was said to be more skilled on panel, and is more or less Wolverine's equal in skill - Wolverine of course being one of the few people to beat Shang Chi, let alone humiliate him. When Zaran the Weapon Master tried to redeem himself for getting mud-stomped by Shang Chi, he went after Captain America because Cap was better (then he went after Wolverine when Cap beat him up).

Can Captain America or Wolverine replicate those feats? No, but Wolverine not being able to bust out Chi abilities was attributed to his adamantium skeleton and him not having piece of mind and piece of body (he is fundamentally at odds with himself)... I don't know if Cap has an excuse. Wolverine has shown himself to be the more skilled of the two and Cap is more or less Logan's equal. Cool, as long as you realise you're a hypocrite.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Juntai
Cool, as long as you realise you're a hypocrite.

So... are you caving and admitting I'm right?

Anyway, don't really see how I'm a hypocrite since the situation isn't the same at all. Both Captain America and Wolverine are established as being superior to Shang-Chi in skill. It's cannon. In a world of super crazy chi throwing MA's they are considered the top of the heap; the most skilled. They don't need to display the same abilities because apparently their raw skill is enough to make up for their inability to use chi. Not really the same thing, since they are established as superior, Batman isn't.

But what is there to suggest that Batman, Shiva, Cass or Dragon are better than Chi? Nothing. They've never delt with someone like him. If Captain America and Wolverine had never had run ins with Shang Chi and his villains that firmly established they where his better, I would say he was more skilled then they are too... but they have.

Why is the fact that Shang Chi can't beat Captain America, or Wolverine detrimental to Shang Chi? Why isn't it a bonus for Captain America or Wolverine. I submit to you that Wolverine and Cap are more skilled than Batman BECAUSE they can beat Shang Chi, not that he is weaker for losing. The only bases for that is the misguided believe tha Batman = Captain America. Well, that's just not true. Fact is Marvel's MA's are just superior to DC's.

Starscream M
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only bases for that is the misguided believe tha Batman = Captain America. Well, that's just not true.

yep...cuz srank said so.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Starscream M
yep...cuz srank said so.

Because the comics say so. Captain America has beaten foes who are more skilled than Batman. Thus Captain America is more skilled. evil face

psycho gundam
all arkady has to do is wrap his tenticles around slade's arms and torso to end the fight. deathstroke lacks the strength and leverage to free himself and the death factor will furthar sap his life even if he somehow frees himself, thus leading to furthar entanglement/exposure.

redhotrash
To be fair, Batman is well known, and often mocked on here, for doing things that Wolverine, Captain America, and probably the entire Avenger's team wouldnt be able to match. Do I agree with it? Of course not, but if you are using that logic, its a fact.

redhotrash
One thing to add, I wish they would do more with Shang Chi. I like that he represents what a human (in a comicbook world) can do without a mutant ability or a SSS. Just through hardwork and training he can hang with some big names. They should give him a montage where he trains more with another old teacher with a long white beard, sits under a waterfall, and crushes a rock into dust using his chi-charged glutes. Then he could come out of nowhere and rip Punisher's heart out of his chest and put a end to his ridiculous KMC threads.

Juntai
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So... are you caving and admitting I'm right?

Anyway, don't really see how I'm a hypocrite since the situation isn't the same at all. Both Captain America and Wolverine are established as being superior to Shang-Chi in skill. It's cannon. In a world of super crazy chi throwing MA's they are considered the top of the heap; the most skilled. They don't need to display the same abilities because apparently their raw skill is enough to make up for their inability to use chi. Not really the same thing, since they are established as superior, Batman isn't.

But what is there to suggest that Batman, Shiva, Cass or Dragon are better than Chi? Nothing. They've never delt with someone like him. If Captain America and Wolverine had never had run ins with Shang Chi and his villains that firmly established they where his better, I would say he was more skilled then they are too... but they have.

Why is the fact that Shang Chi can't beat Captain America, or Wolverine detrimental to Shang Chi? Why isn't it a bonus for Captain America or Wolverine. I submit to you that Wolverine and Cap are more skilled than Batman BECAUSE they can beat Shang Chi, not that he is weaker for losing. The only bases for that is the misguided believe tha Batman = Captain America. Well, that's just not true.
So let me get this right.

You say; Captain America and Wolverine are both far better than Shang Chi.... and that Shang Chi > Batman, because he can do cool chi moves.

I say; Show me scans of Captain America doing cool chi moves.

You say; He can't.

I say; You're a hypocrit.

What's not to get?

Obviously, this tells us you don't need cool chi moves to beat Shang Chi.


Oh, now I see, bias and a hypocrite, and asserting as 'fact'. lol.

occultdestroyer
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You are an idiot.

Shang Chi is a master of every martial art. Batman isn't.

Shang Chi has beaten other fighters who are masters of every martial art... several of them... at the same time. Batman hasn't.

Shang Chi has amped his durability enough to take a direct hit from Hiriom - who with the old strong was almost as strong as the Hulk. Batman hasn't.

Shang Chi has an array of powerful chi based techniques like the Silent Scream. Batman doesn't.

Shang Chi is a monster. He isn't in Marvel's top three, because Marvel's top three is composed of people far superior to DCs.

Wow. What a biased hypocrite.
Whoever said that Marvel's top 3 are far superior than DCs?

Shang Chi uses chi-based powers, Batman does not.
But Batman is an example of a 'perfect' human superhero. The physical, emotional, and mental peak only a human can achieve. I doubt Shang Chi has the confidence or mental capacity to face Batman H2H

Shang Chi is NOT as smart or intelligent as Batman. That is his greatest flaw.
Show me a 'human' superhero in Marvel who is smarter than Batman.

iceman24567
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because the comics say so. Captain America has beaten foes who are more skilled than Batman. Thus Captain America is more skilled. evil face You are pretty close to trolling you know you have no proof of your claims and the funny thing is you say they are fact. A mod needs to give you a warning for the crap you type.

Raoul
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because the comics say so. Captain America has beaten foes who are more skilled than Batman. Thus Captain America is more skilled. evil face

i really hope you weren't serious, and that was just some witty sarcasm...

also, for this fight, i got to go with omega red... just recently he took on colossus and wolverine and was doing pretty well for himself...

fangirl101
Originally posted by Raoul
i really hope you weren't serious, and that was just some witty sarcasm...

also, for this fight, i got to go with omega red... just recently he took on colossus and wolverine and was doing pretty well for himself... And Didn't Deathstroke take on the Teen Titans before? Wonder Woman as well? And the JLA? hmmm?

nimbus006
I just want to add something.

I read a few pages back someone (I think it was srankmissingnin) saying that because Wolverine is a master of of every known Martial Arts he is a better fighter than Batman.

This statement is simply false.

Just because someone knows more martial arts styles does not mean he is a better fighter. For example, all other variables held constant, if one guy has mastered 100 martial arts, and another guy has mastered 70, but the latter is superior in all 70 forms, then he is going to win. I've seen a taekwando/judo/kickboxing master get his ass handed to him by a brazilian jujitsu master.

Its about the quality of the fighter not the quantity of styles he's mastered.

Raoul
Originally posted by fangirl101
And Didn't Deathstroke take on the Teen Titans before? Wonder Woman as well? And the JLA? hmmm?

this is without PIS, though...

fangirl101
Originally posted by Raoul
this is without PIS, though...

OK so how many teams does he have to bust before it becomes just part of his character?

Raoul
Originally posted by fangirl101
OK so how many teams does he have to bust before it becomes just part of his character?

what is he packing that can take down omega red?

fangirl101
Originally posted by Raoul
what is he packing that can take down omega red?

What ever the heck he used to take down the titans or the JLA. Omega red was only doing well becuase peter was dumb enough to not listen to wolvie.

jrodslam
Originally posted by fangirl101
What ever the heck he used to take down the titans or the JLA. Omega red was only doing well becuase peter was dumb enough to not listen to wolvie.

Not 100% sure about the titans, but he had prep when fighting the JLA. As far as Red only doing well cause Colossus didnt listen to Wolvie, Colossus HAD to get in close to be any sort of a factor in the fight. Plus, its not like Colossus never fought Red before. They both(Wolvie and Petey) got lucky imo.

TricksterPriest
Omega Red's death factor is pretty much a win against anyone under mid meta. With few exceptions. Slade's good, but Omega Red could honestly be a team buster if he got a writer who knew how to do it.

And Red stomped Colossus and Wolverine without his armor. His armor is some kind of retro russian alloy that's almost indestructible. Red's durability is enough to take bazookas to the face with no damage. Not to mention his healing factor not only rivals Wolverines, but he can speed it up with his powers. Slade's boned. no

Raoul
Originally posted by fangirl101
What ever the heck he used to take down the titans or the JLA. Omega red was only doing well becuase peter was dumb enough to not listen to wolvie.

he shrugged off a full force punch from colossus, who incidentally is class 100, with little worry...

which jla are we talking about, the one in Identity crisis?

psycho gundam
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Omega Red's death factor is pretty much a win against anyone under mid meta. With few exceptions. Slade's good, but Omega Red could honestly be a team buster if he got a writer who knew how to do it.

And Red stomped Colossus and Wolverine without his armor. His armor is some kind of retro russian alloy that's almost indestructible. Red's durability is enough to take bazookas to the face with no damage. Not to mention his healing factor not only rivals Wolverines, but he can speed it up with his powers. Slade's boned. no thumb up

red fu(ks slade's world up. 6-7/10 depending on the writer.

TheGame17
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Considering Red's recent performance in Uncanny I'd have to go with him.

thank you for being the only one that's on topic smile

fangirl101
Originally posted by jrodslam
Not 100% sure about the titans, but he had prep when fighting the JLA. As far as Red only doing well cause Colossus didnt listen to Wolvie, Colossus HAD to get in close to be any sort of a factor in the fight. Plus, its not like Colossus never fought Red before. They both(Wolvie and Petey) got lucky imo.
Colossus fighting smart would have brought the building down on Red.

TheGame17
Originally posted by fangirl101
Colossus fighting smart would have brought the building down on Red.

that's mere speculation. where is your proof?...

fangirl101
Originally posted by TheGame17
that's mere speculation. where is your proof?...
Proof that Colossus can bring the building down? Or that if he fought smart that is what he would have done knowing Omega Red's History and power set?

srankmissingnin
He was in the building with Wolverine, and Nightcrawler. If bring down the building would stop Red... it would take Wolverine down and Nightcrawler also.

If anyone wants to continue the offtop MA conversation from a few pages back, just PM me, no point of derailing the thread now that it is finally back on topic.

h1a8
I think DS wins this. It all depends on OR's HF ability though. Can he heal from a cut off head?
DS has the P sword which should cut his head off easily (and easily cut those trills off too). DS can't die and has an HF too, so death spores is doing nill to him. So I believe DS with the P sword wins.

fangirl101
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He was in the building with Wolverine, and Nightcrawler. If bring down the building would stop Red... it would take Wolverine down and Nightcrawler also.

If anyone wants to continue the offtop MA conversation from a few pages back, just PM me, no point of derailing the thread now that it is finally back on topic.

Knightcrawler teleports wolvie out of the building. And what?

Raoul
colossus was angry, he said so himself, and he'd knocked red across the room with one punch...

i'm inclined to believe that in a straight up fight, piotr would wreck him, but thats just me...

Starscream M
Originally posted by Raoul
colossus was angry, he said so himself, and he'd knocked red across the room with one punch...

i'm inclined to believe that in a straight up fight, piotr would wreck him, but thats just me... colossus is immune to the death spores?

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by h1a8
I think DS wins this. It all depends on OR's HF ability though. Can he heal from a cut off head?
DS has the P sword which should cut his head off easily (and easily cut those trills off too). DS can't die and has an HF too, so death spores is doing nill to him. So I believe DS with the P sword wins.

Wolverine can't beat Omega Red even with back up and he has Adamantium claws and a healing factor several orders of magnitude stronger than Slades... confused

Omega Red's tendrills are made out of Carbonadium which, well not as durable as Adamantium, is still nearly indestructable.

Has Slade's sword ever been referenced as being made of Promethium? I know that his Bo-staff is, but I thought his sword was confrimed as Damascus steel?

Warrior18
Omega Red for the clear majority.

p.s. real underestimation of Batman's MA skills here.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by fangirl101
Knightcrawler teleports wolvie out of the building. And what?

Then no one would have been there to free Colossus from Red's tentrils and the figth would have been over in seconds?

Raoul
Originally posted by Starscream M
colossus is immune to the death spores?

not at all, but a couple more punches like the ones he dished out at the start, and i don't see red doing so well...

psycho gundam
colossus isn't in this, nor is batman, nightcrawler, and logan.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Raoul
not at all, but a couple more punches like the ones he dished out at the start, and i don't see red doing so well...

I don't know, Red didn't seem the least bit affected by that punch and even though he took a kick to the gut right after it he managed to get Colossus caught up in his tendrils. The live drain but Colossus down for five panels and he only made contact with him for a few seconds. Omega Red was in complete control of that fight, every time Colossus got close enough he was hit with the tendrils promptly and rendered ineffective.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by psycho gundam
colossus isn't in this, nor is batman, nightcrawler, and logan.

/shrug

In order to assess the capabilities of the character's involved you need to assess their past showings; this almost always involves their experiences dealing with other characters.

Raoul
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't know, Red didn't seem the least bit affected by that punch and even though he took a kick to the gut right after it he managed to get Colossus caught up in his tendrils. The live drain but Colossus down for five panels and he only made contact with him for a few seconds. Omega Red was in complete control of that fight, every time Colossus got close enough he was hit with the tendrils promptly and rendered ineffective.

thats why i said 'just me' wink

psycho gundam
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
/shrug

In order to assess the capabilities of the character's involved you need to assess their past showings; this almost always involves their experiences dealing with other characters. sure but when the topic starts to switch to those battles creditability, it starts to stagnate.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Raoul
thats why i said 'just me' wink

embarrasment

TheGame17
Originally posted by psycho gundam
sure but when the topic starts to switch to those battles creditability, it starts to stagnate.

right on. thanks for staying on topic smile

so can Deathstrokes healing factor get past the death spores?....

psycho gundam
Originally posted by TheGame17
right on. thanks for staying on topic smile

so can Deathstrokes healing factor get past the death spores?.... slade will live but he will be too weak to fiight back if red realeses the spores, the life drain though is a sure fatal attack.

jrodslam
Colossus punched Red who wasnt wearing his armor and said "Ouch"? Omega Red wearing his full armor would have fared better than he did. Now thats scary to think about.

As far as Deathstroke goes, if his sword can really cut Reds head off as well as his tentacles, i dont see a way Red can win. Unless he gets hold of him and applies the Death Factor, but then again, i hear that Slade was immortal.erm

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Raoul
not at all, but a couple more punches like the ones he dished out at the start, and i don't see red doing so well... That was some good writing. Colossus punches Red and he's fine. Nightcrawler drops him from a couple hundred feet and he's kayoed.

babel10
Slade with prep uses his weapons to waste red. Unfortunately no prep means slade gets beat and drained.

TheGame17
Originally posted by babel10
Slade with prep uses his weapons to waste red. Unfortunately no prep means slade gets beat and drained.

he gets 1 hour to prepare...

Raoul
Originally posted by snoopdogg
That was some good writing. Colossus punches Red and he's fine. Nightcrawler drops him from a couple hundred feet and he's kayoed.

i know, not one of brubaker's finer moments, imo...

Juntai
Originally posted by TheGame17
he gets 1 hour to prepare... You're changing it to give him prep?

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Raoul
i know, not one of brubaker's finer moments, imo... Yea, it was odd. Elixir's powers didn't work on Colossus and neither did S'ym's transmode virus. Famine's powers also had no effect on Colossus while armoed. And what is up with the blood! Colossus' whole body turns to metal!

Oh well. Red is cool.

Raoul
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Yea, it was odd. Elixir's powers didn't work on Colossus and neither did S'ym's transmode virus. Famine's powers also had no effect on Colossus while armoed. And what is up with the blood! Colossus' whole body turns to metal!

Oh well. Red is cool.

laughing out loud

brubaker also had colossus stay metal when he was knocked out...

carnage52
i think slade gets a few healthy wins omega is a mutha****ing beast agreed but ds is an establishd team-wrecker so it could go either way.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by carnage52
i think slade gets a few healthy wins omega is a mutha****ing beast agreed but ds is an establishd team-wrecker so it could go either way.

DS "team-wrecking" abilities all stem from his intimate knowledge of his opponents and prep time. He doesn't have intimate knowledge of Red, and he doesn't have enough prep (he has one hour) to make a difference.

Starscream M
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
DS "team-wrecking" abilities all stem from his intimate knowledge of his opponents and prep time. He doesn't have intimate knowledge of Red, and he doesn't have enough prep (he has one hour) to make a difference. true...this would be a better fight if DS knows about Reds capabilities

superbatman86
Ds for the majority.His staff does all the work.Things good enough to hurt Donna Troy it's good enough to hurt OR.

redhotrash
How many people have solo'ed the JLA by now? Enough that it isnt really such a impressive feat anymore.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by redhotrash
How many people have solo'ed the JLA by now? Enough that it isnt really such a impressive feat anymore. red just needs to stand next to the food in the jla kitchen for a minute to solo them.....typhoid mary style.

TheGame17
Originally posted by superbatman86
Ds for the majority.His staff does all the work.Things good enough to hurt Donna Troy it's good enough to hurt OR.

um.... no??
the death spores would be too muc for DS...

TheGame17
Originally posted by superbatman86
Ds for the majority.His staff does all the work.Things good enough to hurt Donna Troy it's good enough to hurt OR.

You've read about Omega Red right?...

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