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Count Dooku fights each level but gets a day of rest in between. How far does he make it?

1) 5 super battle droids
2) Jango Fett (same setting as in AOTC)
3) ROTJ Luke Skywalker
4) ROTS Darth Vader (after Jedi killing)
5) Darth malak and Darth bandon
6) Darth Revan
7) New Jedi Order Luke Skywalker
8) Exar Kun and DE Sidious

He gets stopped at 4. NG said that Anakin is a level 8 swordsman on the light side and after turning to the darkside, goes up to a level 9. Anakin already embarrassed Dooku once... improve his saber abilities and Dooku may as well kill himself and save himself the embarrassment.

And for those of you who say "An@k!N n0t b3 in t3H ZoN3!!!!"... please. He was upset about Padme and OB1. Dooku tried to get him that pissed off and failed. Epically.

It's intresting when you think of how the dark side affects certain people.

When Obi-Wan goes darkside, he floors "The deadliest Sith Apprentice in history" in about 10 seconds. When Anakin goes darkside... he loses his concentration and falls for tricks?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
It's intresting when you think of how the dark side affects certain people.

When Obi-Wan goes darkside, he floors "The deadliest Sith Apprentice in history" in about 10 seconds. When Anakin goes darkside... he loses his concentration and falls for tricks?

It really is. And I've yet to find a cogent explanation for the discrepency.

It's completely situational. Had OB1 been some random Jedi of equal caliber, Anakin would have likely disposed of him fairly quickly. But being that it was in fact OB1, it messed with Anakin's head. And there was a difference. OB1 didn't turn to the darkside, he tapped into it. Anakin fell completely and was "twisted" by it. You've never seen someone cry about becoming a Sith either, but Anakin knew what he did and knew that he couldn't go back. He was already in mental turmoil and then add the perceived betrayal of Padme and OB1, his two closest confidants, and he's a mess.

Anakin didn't "fall for a trick," he made an error by trying to jump just over OB1 instead of off to the side or further up the mound. There was no trickery involved.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
It's intresting when you think of how the dark side affects certain people.

When Obi-Wan goes darkside, he floors "The deadliest Sith Apprentice in history" in about 10 seconds.

Sorry to go O.T. but I am really getting fed up with people using that as an example of how good Obi-Wan is/how bad Maul is.

He knocked him on the floor. Big deal. That was the ONLY blow he managed to land until the end of the duel. Maul knocked him down THREE times, two of which were done while simultaneously fighting off Qui-Gon.

"He cut Maul's lightsabre in half." Again, big deal. That's a weakness of the two-bladed sabre due to the long grip, even when wielded by an expert.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
He gets stopped at 4. NG said that Anakin is a level 8 swordsman on the light side and after turning to the darkside, goes up to a level 9. Anakin already embarrassed Dooku once... improve his saber abilities and Dooku may as well kill himself and save himself the embarrassment.

And for those of you who say "An@k!N n0t b3 in t3H ZoN3!!!!"... please. He was upset about Padme and OB1. Dooku tried to get him that pissed off and failed. Epically.

proof of the "NG" quote please

Originally posted by Advent
"...I had to give them levels," he (Nick Gillard) said, "Sidious is a level nine . On this film, Obi is eight - he's moved up - Anakin is a nine; Mace is a nine, Yoda is a nine. They're up there with Sidious."

-- Page 133, The Making of ROTS.

It's likely that Count Dooku himself was a level 9, which is why these statistics aren't necessarily indicative of victory or anything really. The actual quote that Subjekt is referring to goes as follows:

"Obi-Wan is at a level 8, which is where Anakin starts. But Anakin jumps to level 9 -- and the difference between 8 and 9 is enormous. A Jedi can get to level 9, but that's the difference between light and dark." (Nick Gillard, Dueling Jedi).

he doesnt get past the battle droids, makashi sucks at blaster bolt deflection and he has grown soft in the way of deflecting bolts due to years of being on the droid's side and only engaging in lightsaber combat

Originally posted by Man of Christ
he doesnt get past the battle droids, makashi sucks at blaster bolt deflection and he has grown soft in the way of deflecting bolts due to years of being on the droid's side and only engaging in lightsaber combat

Yeah, because Count Dooku can't use the Force and I wonder what type of weaponry clone troopers used. Idiot.

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/454/dookublasterfirefa1.th.jpg

How did he ever manage to survive? Just because Makashi isn't effective against blaster fire, doesn't mean someone of Dooku's caliber wouldn't be able to deflect it. Not to mention, droids have zero defense against the Force.

Not to mention it's been implied in numerous sources (Labyrinth of Evil being one, off the top of my head) that Count Dooku was a master of multiple lightsaber forms.

I thought I recall someone at one point suggesting that Dooku was at one time the BM for the order??? Is there any truth to that? If so, then he would almost certainly need to know multiple forms.

BTW: Haven't seen you around lately Advent. Glad to see that Escape hasn't kept you chained to a water heater in his basement. :P

Number 4 has been shown in a cannon source (Ep. 3 ROTS) and so we know the outcome of this battle.

That said, IF Dooku makes it past Vader by using tactics (as he is a more experienced duelist) I think that Malak + Bandon would actually be easier than Vader. I don't know much about Revan, so I will say that it falls to a more experienced Luke empowered by the pwnage that we call NJO to put him in his place.

He ends at four, or, with luck, seven.

Originally posted by Advent
Yeah, because Count Dooku can't use the Force and I wonder what type of weaponry clone troopers used. Idiot.

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/454/dookublasterfirefa1.th.jpg

How did he ever manage to survive? Just because Makashi isn't effective against blaster fire, doesn't mean someone of Dooku's caliber wouldn't be able to deflect it. Not to mention, droids have zero defense against the Force.

no need to insult me, as calling one an idiot comes across as untactful and base.

my justification for this argument is that he has a custom made lightsaber with a curve that is made to fit makashi but could prove disadvantageous were he to try other forms with a specialty built saber.

also these are super battle droids which fire at a fast enough rate to blow through someone who isnt using a form built for lightsaber deflection

but lets even look at dooku's possible force ussage

FL takes like 3 or 4 seconds to charge, time which he would need to defend against droids who shoot on sight.

force tk might be his best bet if he chucks the droids at eachother

but they will definitly challenge him and can kill him

Originally posted by Man of Christ

FL takes like 3 or 4 seconds to charge, time which he would need to defend against droids who shoot on sight.

What movies haves you been watching? Please tell me your source for force lightning have a charge time. In AOTC, Anakin charges and Dooku casually lowers his hand and lightning instantly comes out and pwns Anakin. Then Sidious is in ROTS multiple times launches FL without having a charge time. Even if there was a charge time it is not like Dooku couldn't survive 5 seconds by dodging,using his saber or the force.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
What movies haves you been watching? Please tell me your source for force lightning have a charge time. In AOTC, Anakin charges and Dooku casually lowers his hand and lightning instantly comes out and pwns Anakin. Then Sidious is in ROTS multiple times launches FL without having a charge time. Even if there was a charge time it is not like Dooku couldn't survive 5 seconds by dodging,using his saber or the force.


Dooku: I have become more powerful than any jedi

(raises hand, then after 3 or 4 seconds)

Dooku: even you

(lightening comes from his hands at yoda)

Originally posted by Man of Christ
Dooku: I have become more powerful than any jedi

(raises hand, then after 3 or 4 seconds)

Dooku: even you

(lightening comes from his hands at yoda)

Lol, your opinion comes from that! Dooku is clearly taunting Yoda he is even more casual in that scene then he was when he blasted Anakin who was charging him. Again come up with some real proof that FL takes 4 seconds to charge especially when Dooku is going all out.

EDIT: Look at Dooku vs Obiwan, Dooku casually raises his hand again and at most a second goes by before lightning is coming at Obiwan's saber.

youtube it

Originally posted by Man of Christ
youtube it

That is your rebuttal? And I did and not even a second passes by from the time he raises his hand till he blasts Obiwan with lightning and he was taunting before he even shot the lightning, he clearly was taking his time. Again provide proof that Dooku's lightning needs time to charge or shut up.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
Dooku: I have become more powerful than any jedi

(raises hand, then after 3 or 4 seconds)

Dooku: even you

(lightening comes from his hands at yoda) Just because you pause before attacking, doesn't mean you're charging it.

There is no 'charge time' for Lightning. That is just stupid. What you're using as a source is simply dramatic effect and the casual manner in which Dooku performs.

Agree with Captain Rex. purely for dramatic effect

Doesn't matter; he loses his head at 4.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
BTW: Haven't seen you around lately Advent. Glad to see that Escape hasn't kept you chained to a water heater in his basement. :P

LOL! No, I escaped from that months ago...

Originally posted by Man of Christ
no need to insult me, as calling one an idiot comes across as untactful and base.

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.



...idiotic.



There's nothing to suggest that a curved hilt lightsaber would carry any drawbacks if one utilized a different form. Asajj Ventress carries two lightsabers with a similar construct to Dooku's, yet she's quite able to handle herself without being a practitioner of Makashi. Likewise, so does Darth Bane who uses Djem So.

There's more than enough evidence that supports Count Dooku would be quite capable of handling himself against blaster fire. The most prominent piece is the scan where he's actually doing such. And as Gideon pointed out, it's likely Dooku knows more than just Makashi (at the very least, he knows Shii-Cho - which would provide protection against their fire).



Obi-Wan managed to block a barrage of Durge's bullets, which leads me to believe Count Dooku - who is Kenobi's superior in the Force by far - would be able to block the attacks rather effortlessly using the Force.

One should also point out that given Dooku was the figurehead of the CIS, he should know how SBDs operate. He knows exactly what they're capable of and considering his battle prowess, that's a huge advantage. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother arguing against stupid things like this.

Originally posted by Advent
. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother arguing against stupid things like this.

Because you know as much as I do that there is no point to your existence outside of making me awesome signatures, wearing stylish clothing, and providing entertainment for Gideon when Faunus's mom is away?

The only way for Dooku to get past Anakin is to casually obliterate him with the force, which will require minimal difficulty. However, Dooku, being an arrogant dueling specialist, will likely attack Anakin with a saber, and he's screwed. If, however, Dooku does force-pwn Anakin, he likely dies at Revan. After fighting numerous battles, Dooku will not be able to contend with Revan's ability with the force, and so Dooku is pwned.

As if Anakin would just stand there and wait for Dooku to fire off attack after attack. I see what you're saying, but give poor little Ani some credit.

Count Dooku gets a day of rest in between battles. For an octogenarian who is capable of using the Force to rejuvenate himself in the heat of battle against two of the finest swordsmen in the Jedi Order, I doubt he will still be suffering from problems if we give him such a long period of time. And if the Count uses the Force to disable and destroy Anakin, I would predict that he dies at Darth Revan, after a difficult fight. After all, nothing indicates that Revan is a superior swordsman, nor do his Force powers just overwhelm Dooku either.

Revan's force powers wouldn't overwhelm Dooku?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Revan's force powers wouldn't overwhelm Dooku?

He wouldn't own him with the Force, no.

Maybe not own, but he is definitely superior to Dooku in the force.

Even as powerful as Dooku is noted as being? Ya know the who 25000 year history, blah blah blah...

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Maybe not own, but he is definitely superior to Dooku in the force.

No one... denied that.

So admit that Revan wtfpwns dooku in every aspect of star wars.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
So admit that Revan wtfpwns dooku in every aspect of star wars.

Except... he doesn't.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Maybe not own, but he is definitely superior to Dooku in the force.
"maybe not own"
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
So admit that Revan wtfpwns dooku in every aspect of star wars.
"wtfpwns dooku"

lol wtfpwns

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
When Obi-Wan goes darkside, he floors "The deadliest Sith Apprentice in history" in about 10 seconds. my only problem there is, while obi may have done okay against maul after going all emo, he definitely did not 'floor' him . in fact, the only thing which prevented maul from killing obi in the end, was his own arrogance. had he actually tried to make obi fall of that ledge, instead of toying with him like a buffoon - maul certainly would have taken that battle without question.

Dooku will likely die at Anakin, Subjekt. I didn't deny that- I just noted that he does have a way of beating Anakin. Just that it's not likely that he will employ it.

No, I didn't say you did. I know what you were saying. I was merely pointing out that while he could beat Anakin with the force, Anakin wouldn't just stand there and wait. He'd probably jump right in his shit.

Originally posted by Galan007
my only problem there is, while obi may have done okay against maul after going all emo, he definitely did not 'floor' him . in fact, the only thing which prevented maul from killing obi in the end, was his own arrogance. had he actually tried to make obi fall of that ledge, instead of toying with him like a buffoon - maul certainly would have taken that battle without question.

He did "floor" him. When you knock someone down so they fall onto the floor, you've floored them.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
He did "floor" him. When you knock someone down so they fall onto the floor, you've floored them.

i took at as you saying that obi wftpwnzerd!!1!! maul in teh 10 seconds. if you didn't mean it that way, my bad. i tend to ramble on, you see.

I see...

I shall spare your life. This time. 313

Damn dude, consider yourself lucky. There's not enough of us here to hold Blax back right now.