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In light of the new Civil War trailer, I decided to put this match up and see what everyone thinks.


Ironman is not allowed to use his weaponry in this fight nor flight. He's limited to pure h2h.

Cap gets his shield.

Fight in an open arena. Can Cap's speed and skill enable him to beat IM's durability and strength?

I dont think so.
I think Ironman in the trailers wants to beat up Cap not kill him.

Still a good showing (as of now from what little we seen) for Cap vs. an opponent above his weight class.

At best stalemate

Tony wins

Does Tony have any hand to hand feats of note other than getting his gauntlets destroyed by a holding back Thor?

Cap wins

He showed pretty decent movies against the Vanko army in the park, but seriously can Cap do enough damage to hurt Tony in the suit?

Originally posted by carthage
Does Tony have any hand to hand feats of note other than getting his gauntlets destroyed by a holding back Thor?

Well, he does seem to at least somewhat counter WS during the seeming assassination attempt in the Civil War trailer. Granted, it doesn't seem to go that well for him overall. I am thinking both the black eye and the sling we see later come from that specific encounter. And he did beat up Rhodey in the War Machine suit, while wearing his own suit, while drunk.

Originally posted by golem370
He showed pretty decent movies against the Vanko army in the park, but seriously can Cap do enough damage to hurt Tony in the suit?

Cap has a indestructible sharp shield that can damage tony suit as shown.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Cap has a indestructible sharp shield that can damage tony suit as shown. Tony's durability feats in past movies say otherwise, unless you think Tony can swing or throw his shield with the strength to match the force of a tank shell

At this point, Tony gets an easy win. Maybe once the movie is out it will make a difference, but Iron Man wasn't showing visible signs of damage as far as I can tell. I see it going similar to the Colossus vs Angel Dust fight in Deadpool. Cap flips around and gets solid hits in, but Tony tanks the damage until he takes Cap out in a few repulser blasts.

Tony shouts and Spiderman swoops in and punches Cap in the d***. /thread

Kidding. But I am hoping Spidey doesn't get nerfed for Cap/Bucky's sake.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Tony shouts and Spiderman swoops in and punches Cap in the d***. /thread

Kidding. But I am hoping Spidey doesn't get nerfed for Cap/Bucky's sake. I want Spidey to be able to beat anyone on the team with the exception of Vision, Wanda, Thor, or Hulk. That would have him at around the right tier.

Cap stomps ...

Unless Stark shows some very impressive h2h skils in Civil War , he takes an ass whomping period...

Cap wins.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Cap stomps ...

Unless Stark shows some very impressive h2h skils in Civil War , he takes an ass whomping period... I didn't read that his weapons are unusable here

Not much he can do in that case. Cap slowly picks him apart

Tonys suit alone makes him 100x stronger and more durable than Cap. Who cares what Iron Man can do h2h (which isn't much), he outclasses Cap severely where it counts, all he has to do is hit Rogers once hard enough and he's dead

100 times? Doubt it. Maybe when he was amped by Thor. He isnt that strong,its his durability that takes this. He can probably exhibit a good 5-6 times more force than Cap can on ground using no repulsers or anything.

if I recall he was at like 1% power in his Mark 3 suit and was still able to catch a car and safely put it down in Iron Man 1, that alone is leagues beyond anything Steve is capable of, id say 100x could be accurate...maybe 50

Even Tony's falling apart by crashing suit in Iron Man 3 was handgun bullet-proof at 0% power. No PIS Stark should mop the floor with Cap, but Cap is now getting too much love

Cap is a damn good character but putting him up against Iron Man who has withstood tank fire, slamming into a jet wing and those helicarrier blades is way to much damn Cap could never produce that level of damage to hurt Stark.

Just wait for Civil War people. Then we will know what all the things we see in the trailers mean within their proper context.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Just wait for Civil War people. Then we will know what all the things we see in the trailers mean within their proper context.

If Tony can get a hold of Cap he is phucked.

Originally posted by golem370
Cap is a damn good character but putting him up against Iron Man who has withstood tank fire, slamming into a jet wing and those helicarrier blades is way to much damn Cap could never produce that level of damage to hurt Stark.


Cap wins, get over yourself

Originally posted by golem370
Cap is a damn good character but putting him up against Iron Man who has withstood tank fire, slamming into a jet wing and those helicarrier blades is way to much damn Cap could never produce that level of damage to hurt Stark. Quit crying when Cap wins. You're really emotionally hurt over Cap aren't you ?

He is, he hates Captain America.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He is, he hates Captain America. I think we can safely deduce he also hates America. Golem better not show his face in thee Cap threads anymore. He's lost all credibility.

Golem isn't from America, so most probably does hate America.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Golem isn't from America, so most probably does hate America. He sounds like a wannabe terrorist.

He's probably Rob's little brother

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He's probably Rob's little brother

Originally posted by golem370
Cap is a damn good character but putting him up against Iron Man who has withstood tank fire, slamming into a jet wing and those helicarrier blades is way to much damn Cap could never produce that level of damage to hurt Stark.
It doesn't matter if Cap doesn't have feats to do that. If the filmmakers are going for a Cap wankfest and want Cap to bust up Stark, it will happen. Look at IM3.
Then again, even the suits of IM3 excluding the separating one would crush Cap. During the climax fight, several suits were still functioning despite being in pieces, and when one of Killian's and Iron Man's punches met fist to fist, Stark was pushed back while Killian's arm almost broke off. If IM can cause that much damage to someone much stronger and durable than Cap with such an attack, Cap's internal should burst when IM lands a punch
Then again, Stark was bloodlusted in that fight

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Just wait for Civil War people. Then we will know what all the things we see in the trailers mean within their proper context.
I was meaning in a general sense

Originally posted by relentless1
Tonys suit alone makes him 100x stronger and more durable than Cap. Who cares what Iron Man can do h2h (which isn't much), he outclasses Cap severely where it counts, all he has to do is hit Rogers once hard enough and he's dead


which means nothing.. looking at the trailer Cap is taking it to Stark.. also Cap says himself that he can do this all day.... Cap is clearly agile enough to evade

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I didn't read that his weapons are unusable here

Not much he can do in that case. Cap slowly picks him apart


yep

Originally posted by golem370
Cap is a damn good character but putting him up against Iron Man who has withstood tank fire, slamming into a jet wing and those helicarrier blades is way to much damn Cap could never produce that level of damage to hurt Stark.


umm...umm,.. this is strictly hand to hand combat which is something Cap excels at.. Stark might be wearing his armor but that won't help him much.... even with Stark's weaponry, Cap has his shield and again going by what the trailers have shown, Tony isn't a match for Cap.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Even Tony's falling apart by crashing suit in Iron Man 3 was handgun bullet-proof at 0% power. No PIS Stark should mop the floor with Cap, but Cap is now getting too much love Thats durability which I am not arguing here.

I am saying, that an Iron Man suit with no repulsors to give it lift is as strong as we saw in IM2 when Rhodey fought Tony. Stronger than Cap? Hell yes! 100 times? There is no evidence Tony can move that much weight without firing therepulsors and using only what Im assuming is hydraulics. If Cap can push a bulldozer he is an easy 1-2 tonner.

With repulsors, yes Tony could probably move an object 50x or whatever heavier than Cap could move.

Regardless, Tonys durability wins this.

Really shouldn't count your Civil War eggs until they hatch, people. Seeing snippets of Cap and Tony going at it an be misleading. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Cap does end up picking apart IM as part of the plot.

But from what we've seen so far in the released films, Tony in the armor is superior to Cap even if he can't use his weapons. The IM armor tangled and took hits from Thor for a bit, took a tank shelling and dropped a great distance and was ping-ponged around a helicarrier's thruster. Its durability is rather high, is what I am saying.

Only reason Cap survived the "hammer down" from Thor was due to his shield's special ability to mitigate energy. He would have been pancaked otherwise.

Originally posted by Robtard
Really shouldn't count your Civil War eggs until they hatch, people. Seeing snippets of Cap and Tony going at it an be misleading. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Cap does end up picking apart IM as part of the plot.

But from what we've seen so far in the released films, Tony in the armor is superior to Cap even if he can't use his weapons. The IM armor tangled and took hits from Thor for a bit, took a tank shelling and dropped a great distance and was ping-ponged around a helicarrier's thruster. Its durability is rather high, is what I am saying.

Only reason Cap survived the "hammer down" from Thor was due to his shield's special ability to mitigate energy. He would have been pancaked otherwise.

Specially since alone dented his original shield if he have had that he would crushed Cap.

Extremis Iron Man stomps.

MCU Iron Man loses, IMO.

Originally posted by Robtard
Really shouldn't count your Civil War eggs until they hatch, people. .

Exactly

people don't learn on this place.

I say let them argue all they want, there's a good chance of looking foolish later.

Originally posted by Placidity
I say let them argue all they want, there's a good chance of looking foolish later.

It won't be as fun to argue later once we've watched the movie and know who wins.

Originally posted by Impediment
Extremis Iron Man stomps.

MCU Iron Man loses, IMO.


Extremis from the comics does but not from Iron Man 3

Originally posted by FrothByte
It won't be as fun to argue later once we've watched the movie and know who wins.

But at the same time, everyone who is saying Cap wins is due to the influence from the trailer.

There is no case to be made from feats just from the existing movies.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Exactly

people don't learn on this place. Irony.

Damn, I really want to vote cap on this one. I mean it is hand to hand, but cap cant take to many hits from Tony. "I can do this all day" statement is a reference to cap 1. It was a joke, he was obviously losing and badly.

Tony destroys.

If Tony is fully encased in his suit (i.e. not showing his face), then there really should be NO chance at all for Cap to win. I like Cap better, but Tony is is going to win this every day unless cap can somehow disable the suit. Then it's an utter stomp in Cap's favor.

Originally posted by Placidity
But at the same time, everyone who is saying Cap wins is due to the influence from the trailer.

There is no case to be made from feats just from the existing movies.

Actually, Cap vs. Ultron in AoU makes a good case for Cap.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Actually, Cap vs. Ultron in AoU makes a good case for Cap. Meh, he wasn't really harming Ultron at all. He was noticeably out of breath and getting his ass kicked near the end. Ultron only left because the twins stepped in to help and Ultron knew how powerful Wanda could be. Also, that whole scene was PIS.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Meh, he wasn't really harming Ultron at all. He was noticeably out of breath and getting his ass kicked near the end. Ultron only left because the twins stepped in to help and Ultron knew how powerful Wanda could be. Also, that whole scene was PIS.

Yes but Ultron had flight and full powers there. For Cap to keep up for so long speaks volumes. IM doesn't have flight or weapons here.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes but Ultron had flight and full powers there. For Cap to keep up for so long speaks volumes. IM doesn't have flight or weapons here. True, but most of them are arguing that Cap doesn't have the offensive output to hurt Tony. I think everyone knows he'd be dancing around and dominating the fight for the most part.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
True, but most of them are arguing that Cap doesn't have the offensive output to hurt Tony. I think everyone knows he'd be dancing around and dominating the fight for the most part.

Why I said at best stalemate Cap can't hurt Iron Man but Iron Man can't hit Capt. Can Tony get help from Jarvis to anticipate Cap's hits or moves?

Originally posted by golem370
Why I said at best stalemate Cap can't hurt Iron Man but Iron Man can't hit Capt. Can Tony get help from Jarvis to anticipate Cap's hits or moves?

JARVIS IS GONE YOU INSENSITIVE BASTARD!!

Read the comic . . . Stark killed Rodgers. Sorry about the spoiler, but Disney changed the storyline. Bastards.

Spoilers!!! Lol

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Read the comic . . . Stark killed Rodgers. Sorry about the spoiler, but Disney changed the storyline. Bastards. Stark didn't kill Rogers. Vision rendered Starks suit powerless, like in this fight. Then Cap almost killed him. After that, Cap was stopped by some civilians, and seeing them against him caused him to turn himself in, ending the war. He was then assassinated by Crossbones who shot him in the head with a Sniper.

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_fill,h_799,w_509/t_mp_quality/vi48nuxeo8tamo7yttzm/captain-america-vs-iron-man-everything-you-need-to-know-about-marvel-s-civil-war-613272.jpg

in 7 weeks or so we will know what happens between Stark and Cap..

I just watched Ironman 1 again yesterday. A few things...

Ironman was 1 shoting soldiers probably killed a few with 1 swipe/punch.
His mark2 suit survived being hit with a tank round, being run over by a car, being hit with a car by Iron monger, being shot at with high caliber rounds, busted though concrete walls with no issue.
Lifted a car with almost no power left in his suit.


Iron man 3 , Tonys suits fell apart if the bad guys threw pebbles at them.

lol if Tony wears any of his IM3 suits Steve just needs to sneeze really hard in his direction.

Holy shit the CAP fanboys are really out this time LOL. Iron Man would literally poop on him with LITTLE effort. Did you people miss Iron man going h2h with the Hulk?? Yet somehow he's going to struggle with Cap LMAO. Jesus... it's almost comical now. Iron Man's suit will mean Cap can't hurt him.. but he can certainly hurt Cap being VASTLY stronger than him. If WS can grab his shield from him.. what do you think somebody who poops on WS strength can do? Besides Grab is easily? It's hilarious to even think Cap has a chance here.. he gets crushed.

Any movie not out counts for nothing. They are inadmissible as evidence. We only go by what we can see and have seen. In which case, IM stomps and literally stomps without even breaking a sweat. If any movie comes out with Cap winning and IM was at full power can only be viewed as PIS. To even argue otherwise considering IM feats in all his appearances is comical.

To the people saying IM is going to get "danced around" by Cap are hilarious. I've had to post these Hulk feats before.. But he's incredible fast.. faster than Cap and moves around more freely in open areas thanks to him being able to jump almost exponentially further than Cap. Watch hulks speed. Notice the scene where he's seemingly 40 feet away from IM and then in a blink he's on him. Cap is clearly more skilled than IM in h2h combat with two guys standing in one place sparring and basically only kicking and punching. Even then Cap would get slaughtered as soon as IM landed a few blows.. and he would eventually. However, more importantly why would IM fight like that in such a static sparring scenario? He's a fing genius for **** sake. He's not going to do such a thing. He'll know, and should know unless PIS exactly how to fight Cap. It would never look like that. Thanks to this not being a movie, and IM isn't nerfed to fight like some moron who will take longer to put it in Cap's butt than if he fights smart... it's a forum.. IM won't fight like that and destroy Cap.

Kt seems really worked up again. He keeps restating his biased opinion as if it counts for anything.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Any movie not out counts for nothing. They are inadmissible as evidence. We only go by what we can see and have seen. In which case, IM stomps and literally stomps without even breaking a sweat. If any movie comes out with Cap winning and IM was at full power can only be viewed as PIS. To even argue otherwise considering IM feats in all his appearances is comical.

To the people saying IM is going to get "danced around" by Cap are hilarious. I've had to post these Hulk feats before.. But he's incredible fast.. faster than Cap and moves around more freely in open areas thanks to him being able to jump almost exponentially further than Cap. Watch hulks speed. Notice the scene where he's seemingly 40 feet away from IM and then in a blink he's on him. Cap is clearly more skilled than IM in h2h combat with two guys standing in one place sparring and basically only kicking and punching. Even then Cap would get slaughtered as soon as IM landed a few blows.. and he would eventually. However, more importantly why would IM fight like that in such a static sparring scenario? He's a fing genius for **** sake. He's not going to do such a thing. He'll know, and should know unless PIS exactly how to fight Cap. It would never look like that. Thanks to this not being a movie, and IM isn't nerfed to fight like some moron who will take longer to put it in Cap's butt than if he fights smart... it's a forum.. IM won't fight like that and destroy Cap.

All you really need to do is watch the Cap vs. Ultron fight to realize this is not a stomp for IM. And again I reiterate, IM doesn't have flight or weapons in this fight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
All you really need to do is watch the Cap vs. Ultron fight to realize this is not a stomp for IM. And again I reiterate, IM doesn't have flight or weapons in this fight. Kt probably didn't read the op or understand the tricky words.