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Okay, so my friend and I were talking, and was telling me how Gambit was an Omega-Level Mutant.

I love (read: am obsessed with) Gambit, but I don't think that he's that powerful. I read on wikipedia that he was an Alpha-level mutant, but I'm not sure...

Can anyone tell me which it is?

He's never been confirmed as Omega, so he has to be considered Alpha for now. Your friend is probably referring to his alternate version New Son. That guy could definitely be considered Omega, but if I remember correctly, Gambit will never reach those levels due to some circumstance.

I think gambit should charge Wolverines claws so that he can't do anymore shitty movie's or comics

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
I think gambit should charge Wolverines claws so that he can't do anymore shitty movie's or comics

Haha, that would be awesome.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
I think gambit should charge Wolverines claws so that he can't do anymore shitty movie's or comics

wolvies claws are unbreakable so nothing would happen, besides wolvie slicing him into a million pieces

Originally posted by MelloDraMattIc
Haha, that would be awesome.

Agreed

Wasn't he Omega at first? , and then after Sinister's surgery he went to Alpha, right?

Originally posted by rianna_d
Wasn't he Omega at first? , and then after Sinister's surgery he went to Alpha, right?

Never officially confirmed.

Gambit has never been an omega to my knowledge.

New Son was, I believe, Omega...as he could travel time, and control energy much in the way and level of complexity as Vulcan. But obviously this didn't do him much good, as his "inferior" counterpart (616 Gambit) simply overloaded him on power and destroyed him.

Originally posted by rox
wolvies claws are unbreakable so nothing would happen, besides wolvie slicing him into a million pieces

That's arguable, I'm not so sure that any solid matter that IS in fact a metal would not be effected by certain energy based phenomona that occurs on a cellular level. But either way, I'm sure Remy would still sleep and never wake up again, if he tried this.

There again, you need only superheat Wolverine's skeleton to not only cause immense searing pain, but also burn away the rest of his actual body, leaving behind a lifeless adamantium skeleton and killing him...and superheating may be the result of Gambit's powers when used on Wolverine, if the molecular consistancy of adamantium is somehow too dense for Gambit's powers to take their usual effect. I don't see how, after all Gambit's powers only convert potential kinetic energy into actual kinetic energy, and Wolverine's skeleton CAN indeed move.

Originally posted by rianna_d
Wasn't he Omega at first? , and then after Sinister's surgery he went to Alpha, right?

Yeah, that's what I thought...I'm confused now.

I'm not sure if Gambit was Omega before Sinister's surgery on him, but I do know that Sinister performed such a surgery to help Gambit gain control of his powers.

Originally posted by MelloDraMattIc
Okay, so my friend and I were talking, and was telling me how Gambit was an Omega-Level Mutant.

I love (read: am obsessed with) Gambit, but I don't think that he's that powerful. I read on wikipedia that he was an Alpha-level mutant, but I'm not sure...

Can anyone tell me which it is? alpha, with most of the better known powerful mutants.

some of the criteria for omega are;

-physical mutation of any kind. gambit's eyes are black with red oddly-shaped pupils, that cannot be hidden unless he wears contacts.

the thing with it is that mutations are somewhat debilitating, for instance remy wouldn't be able to get a normal job if his employer were an anti-mutant supporter and happened to look into his eyes. nightcrawler has the same problem, but obviously more noticeable.

-infinite potential. omega class mutants on top of totally passing for human also have to have the capacity to control energies of many kinds or a vast array of power's that apparently have no limit. ie. scarlet witch.

gambit in a future time line has ascended to "new son", a being that can control kinetic energy with a vast array of possibilities and control, even altering the timestream. that obviously puts him in the omega class bracket.

as he is now, even with the portion of brain that sinister removed from him, he is not at new son levels, maybe with time and training he can get there. as new son he can alter his appearance definitely, that gets rid of any non-human appearances needed to be an official omega.

gambit isent omega yet and i doubt he will be...new sun was omega and some may argue that remy was with his powers being refilled to normal although that wasent even omega...while the powers he has shown for a long time arent his full powers....after what he did to stop new sun he will never gain any higher then what he is now

Your either omega or your not, you can not become omega level unless through pheniox forces

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Your either omega or your not, you can not become omega level unless through phoenix forces
gambits a special case because at his original power set he could charge objects without touching them and he could charge living flesh ect...and now he can never have that power again because of how he stopped new sun...and new sun was created when remy(from another universe)was charged with all of that mystical energy that combined its self with his own original powers....but even before he reached new sun level he was strong i mean this alternate version kept all of his power and killed the phoenix of that universe so he was pretty powerful even without becoming new sun, so i would say new sun defiantly was omega level.

yes but he was never an omega

Originally posted by Battlehammer
yes but he was never an omega

and yes i never said other wise all i meant was it would be impossible for him to become omega because this gambit can never become new sun.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Your either omega or your not, you can not become omega level unless through pheniox forces that's not true. franklin richards, iceman, mr.m, mr. immortal, elixer and vulcan are all omega level and they were hosts for the phoenix force.

Originally posted by Ordained
that's not true. franklin richards, iceman, mr.m, mr. immortal, elixer and vulcan are all omega level and they were hosts for the phoenix force.

You meant weren't right?

the phoenix force has nothing to do with being an omega

gambit has alot of power he exploded onslaught

Yes, Gambit is an omega-level mutant.

Remy's powers grew out of control and Sinister performed surgery on him to make his powers remain alpha level before they went out of his control.

What level Gambit's powers could truly be without that surgery was revealed with the appearance of the New Sun. The New Sun character was an alternate version of Gambit that had reached his full potential and had destroyed his own world by burning it as though he were a star. This version of Gambit, overwhelmed by guilt and self-hate, traveled to several different realities to kill each version of himself before they made the same mistake he did.

So, New Sun was definitely Omega and the mainstream version of Gambit has this ability fully restored by Sinister. At the moment it is presumed that Remy burned out his powers defeating the New Sun. However, Gambit has been de-powered before and eventually his powers came back. Also, when Gambit's abilities are limited his body manifests its mutation in different forms to compensate which only an Omega would be capable of. One of many examples is when Gambit was blinded and he could see the future by reading playing cards (ie. manipulating time, space & energy is something both he & New Sun were both capable of).

Thus, Gambit *is* an Omega level mutant and his powers *may* be burned out for now to a controllable level but they can resurface in the future.

Let's hope he can learn to control them if they do! ;-)

P.S. Check out Gambit Annual 1999 - lots of background there.

Oh yeah also, as the New Sun the New Sun killed the Phoenix of his reality. He's the ultimate Omega!

Originally posted by Alisx123
He's the ultimate Omega!

Not really. MJJ would still own New Sun.

Yes. New Sun is an Omega, especially if he beat the Pheonix. But... Gambit actually may be on his way to becoming an Omega as well...

I mean it is just speculation on my part, and if you haven't read the last Gambit title run and don't want SPOILERS!!! STOP READING HERE!

In the last issue of the 2012 Gambit series something happens that could open the door to Gambit getting back his full power potential. Keep in mind, his powers were only limited because he begged to Sinister to limit them. This was accomplished by removing a key portion of his brain tissue. This tissue was restored later by Sinister when Remy traveled back to the past. However, this is still just recently repaired brain tissue. So when he fought the New Sun in the final showdown and poured everything he had into it, he burnt out, likely damaging the patchwork tissue in the overload.

This makes what happened in issue 17 of the latest series very interesting. Because Remy gets shot in the head. Just before he dies though the knight Faiza Hussain uses her powers to heal him and extract the bullet. After this he gets up and spits the charged bullet at his would be killer, dragon breath style, and the overblown explosion makes him ask back to Faiza if she was sure she had put him back together right.

So... if her healing of his head did not only repair the damage the bullet had done, but also old damage, from surgeries and burn outs..... it may only be a matter of time before Gambits true power starts to surface. 0_0