Neron + Mordru vs Nabu + Shazam the wizard

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iceman24567
Hostless Nabu. Who takes it?

Aster Phoenix
Nabu is the most powerful one there, he takes it.

quanchi112
Team 2 wins.

comicfan11
Though I'm not so sure about the version of Mordru but if you go with hostless Fate (Nabu) I think it would only be fare to go with the most powerful version of Mordu also.

So in that case team 1.

Neron has already done wonders against Spectre, who already beat Nabu and Shazam and with a strong Mordru's help they take this match for a majority.

Aster Phoenix
Nabu is stronger then Mordru though, truthfully Neron and Shazam aren't the factors in this fight. It's between the two most powerful lords of Order and Chaos.

comicfan11
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Nabu is stronger then Mordru though, truthfully Neron and Shazam aren't the factors in this fight. It's between the two most powerful lords of Order and Chaos.

Neron is not a lord of Order or Chaos and has at least stalemated Spectre who is >> above any Lord of Order or Chaos.

So in that case neither Nabu nor Shazam are the most powerful players in this match but Neron.

Thus team 1.

Aster Phoenix
When did Neron stalemate the Spectre and what were the conditions surrounding this stalemating?

Desaad
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Nabu is stronger then Mordru though, truthfully Neron and Shazam aren't the factors in this fight. It's between the two most powerful lords of Order and Chaos.

Mordru isn't 100% chaos or order, though, he's got aspects of BOTH in him, which he made clear made him more effective/powerful.

Thats why Hector was the most powerful.

comicfan11
To quote Desaad from the Neron vs Mephisto thread not long ago

"Neron's greatest feat is tossing aside the Corrigan Spectre casually OUT of his own realm, and then separating the Corrigan Host from the Spectre Force (something thought to be impossible since it would go against the will of God). "

Keep in mind that Neron was able to throw Spectre out of his realm but Shazam got stomped inside the Rock of Eternity although he had onesided prep on his side and many magical artifacts to aid him.

You can find any info you want in the Neron repsect thread also done (exceptionally) by Desaad.

Aster Phoenix
No Mordru is a Lord of Chaos, the most powerful one I might add.

Desaad
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
No Mordru is a Lord of Chaos, the most powerful one I might add.

Yes, one that has absorbed order energies into himself to balance himself out. He even went so far as to use Arion's body and Fate's raiment, both of which were order based.

He specifically mentions the advantage of this -- and the fact that he has folded BOTH types of magic into himself -- when the JSA asks for advice on how to defeat Extant (who is/was empowered in large part by a Lord of Chaos, while he was Hawk).

Aster Phoenix
He may have stolen magic from Order in him, but he is still only called a Lord of Chaos.

Desaad
It doesn't matter what he is called -- in so far as the energies he utilizes, he is something different, something...more.

jrodslam
Yes Mordru is a Lord of Chaos and highest one at that, but Shazam although not the highest Lord of Order can still probably beat Mordru 1/2 the time.

I honestly think the key in this battle would be Neron. Im not familiar with him much, so i cant really call the battle entirely.

Desaad
Check out the Respect Thread I did of him(in the REspect Thread forum) if you'd like to know more about Neron.

jrodslam
Hmm. Can Neron be killed or is really a "demon/devil lord" that will always be around as long as hell exists? If so, that does help his team considering both members of team 2 can be killed. Neron can be stopped and temporarily defeated. Thing is, i dont see Neron as being powerful enough to actually kill Nabu or Shazam.

Desaad
I don't know if he can be killed...I don't think the issue has ever been breached.

But I think for this battle a simple dissipation or physical defeat would be enough, so just go on that.

fangirl101
Mordru is a match for Nabu at least 4/10 at his best. While neron is more powerful than shazam. At least from what I'm gathering. Now shazam on the rock of etenerity is all together a different story. But you know what? Shazam's power was what broke neron's hold on the heroes. I'm going to go on a 50/50 split on this one.

Philosophía
Originally posted by iceman24567
Hostless Nabu. Who takes it?

The Shazam that fought the Spectre ? (prepped and inside the Rock of Eternity)

comicfan11
Originally posted by fangirl101
Mordru is a match for Nabu at least 4/10 at his best. While neron is more powerful than shazam. At least from what I'm gathering. Now shazam on the rock of etenerity is all together a different story. But you know what? Shazam's power was what broke neron's hold on the heroes. I'm going to go on a 50/50 split on this one.

Yes but that wasn't a showing of power but a showing of interrupting the deal Neron made with the heroes and the villains.

The fact is that the Spectre killed a preped Shazam inside the Rock of Eternity and a hostless Nabu while Neron did far better than both of them combined against the Spectre.

Add Mordru to the mix and team 1 takes this for a heavy majority.

Estacado
Team 2.

Superherovandal
Team 2 Nabu can match or beat Mordru. and then own Neron. He's nowhere near his full level. Didn't he get degraded to a rhyming demon?

comicfan11
Originally posted by Superherovandal
Team 2 Nabu can match or beat Mordru. and then own Neron. He's nowhere near his full level. Didn't he get degraded to a rhyming demon?

Yes but in the current Reign in Hell story he is still the absolute ruler of Hell (although there is a mention of Lucifer being the supreme evil being) having Belial, Lilith and Asmodel as his b1tches.

Team 2 goes down hard like they went to the Spectre...

Aster Phoenix
I thought Nabu wanted to die to the spectre though, to usher in the new age of magic.

And can someone show some scans of Neron beating the Spectre, I want to see what the circumstances were of that victory.

comicfan11
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
I thought Nabu wanted to die to the spectre though, to usher in the new age of magic.

And can someone show some scans of Neron beating the Spectre, I want to see what the circumstances were of that victory.

No.
Nabu wanted to stop the Spectre.
When he realised he didn't have any chance of surviving he accepted that only by dying would the Presence notice the Spectre and bind it to a new host.

There is a Neron respect thread in KMC I think you can find what you are looking for there.

Aster Phoenix
Well if your trying to show evidence then I think it's up to you to post the scans on here. I can ask the mod to be sure though.

comicfan11
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Well if your trying to show evidence then I think it's up to you to post the scans on here. I can ask the mod to be sure though.

Ok

Neron vs Spectre

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...treIII35p00.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...I35p01and02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...treIII35p03.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...treIII35p04.jpg


Neron vs Satanus/Blaze

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...eashed3pg07.jpg

Spectre is bound by Neron's deal

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ss-HellsS-2.jpg

Aster Phoenix
You need to fix the links.

comicfan11
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
You need to fix the links.

Damn I don't know what happened.
In Desaad's thread they work fine.

Anyway try know

Neron vs Spectre

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Neron/SpectreIII35p00.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Neron/SpectreIII35p01and02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Neron/SpectreIII35p03.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Neron/SpectreIII35p04.jpg


Neron vs Satanus/Blaze

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Neron/UnderworldUnleashed3pg07.jpg


Spectre is bound by Neron's deal

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Neron/UnderworldUnleashed-Abyss-HellsS-2.jpg

Philosophía
Anyway, if it's the DoV Shazam, then team 2 takes it, with Neron being the weak link smile

comicfan11

Philosophía
So Spectre charging Neron and being pushed back by him, means more than both Shazam and Nabu putting up a fight against him but eventually going down ?
I could start actually bringing evidence, and easily prove my point, but I'm going to wait if somebody actually knowledgeable about the characters involved comes and then do it smile

comicfan11

Philosophía
Unlike you, I have read more than Underworld Unleashed. You obviously know very little about the characters, and that little knowledge is based on what you've read in the respect threads and such.

This is the reason why I choose not to discuss with you because I don't come to this forum to educate people on certain characters, but do debate with them.

The fact that you actually say that Neron > Spectre, clearly illustrates the fact that I've made the correct decision.

smile

Philosophía
Anyway, since I have to leave and won't be online for some time, I'll post these scans, who illustrate how an actual fight between Spectre and Neron went:

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_SpectreNeron1.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_SpectreNeron2.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/th_SpectreNeron3.jpg

Aster Phoenix
The original poster never specified, so what we must assume is that we are dealing with the most current versions of all four.

comicfan11

comicfan11

Aster Phoenix
Originally posted by comicfan11
Nice.
Three scans from DoJ that show Neron mocking Spectre.
Sorry but the Underworld Unleashed part looked much more than a fight than this.

Both are out of date. Neron was turned into a simple rhyming demon in DOJ and now he is a lord of hell.

If your going to judge the fight then use the most current appearances of all 4.

comicfan11
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Both are out of date. Neron was turned into a simple rhyming demon in DOJ and now he is a lord of hell.

If your going to judge the fight then use the most current appearances of all 4.

But we don't know if the rhyming demon thing is even in effect right now.

In Reign in Hell Neron is presented as the absolute ruler of hell (though there is mention of Lucifer who is above all else).

So I think it safe to say that he can achieve his higher lever of showings being the ruler of hell once more.

Aster Phoenix
Originally posted by comicfan11
But we don't know if the rhyming demon thing is even in effect right now.

In Reign in Hell Neron is presented as the absolute ruler of hell (though there is mention of Lucifer who is above all else).

So I think it safe to say that he can achieve his higher lever of showings being the ruler of hell once more.

Its not safe to say without proof. His power levels have changed over the course of DC history. Who knows? He may actually be stronger then he was or weaker, you need recent scans to show his current powerlevel.

comicfan11
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Its not safe to say without proof. His power levels have changed over the course of DC history. Who knows? He may actually be stronger then he was or weaker, you need recent scans to show his current powerlevel.

That's what I'm saying.
There is no mention for the rhyming demon incident in Reign in Hell.
But there is on panel proof that Neron is again the absolute ruler of hell.

The most logical assumption is that Giffen didn't read DoJ or simply chose to ignore it and reinstate Neron in his usual power level.

Aster Phoenix
Originally posted by comicfan11
That's what I'm saying.
There is no mention for the rhyming demon incident in Reign in Hell.
But there is on panel proof that Neron is again the absolute ruler of hell.

The most logical assumption is that Giffen didn't read DoJ or simply chose to ignore it and reinstate Neron in his usual power level.

I'm not a big fan of assumptions, they lead to misconceptions.

comicfan11
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
I'm not a big fan of assumptions, they lead to misconceptions.

I agree.
So in the latest appearance of the character he is referred as the ruler of Hell and treated as the more powerful Demon.

Aster Phoenix
But what has he displayed so far as his current power level?

comicfan11
All of his subjects (who are all very powerful like Asmodel, Belial and Lilith) are scared sh1tless of him and casually get manhandled by Neron.

He is the active ruler of Hell (in his throne on the first level of the nine)

And he is referred to as the ruler of hell.

All of these are on panel.

For actual power level he manhandles powerful demons and has even Etrigan at his service but it's only the second issue and we haven't seen him in a fight yet.

I also have to go have fun.

Aster Phoenix
I'm not saying your wrong, and I think we will have some kick *** feats from him as Reign in Hell goes on. It's better the FC for sure.

iceman24567
Ok Hostless Nabu, Shazam as if he were at the rock of eternity, Neron before he lost rank.

Aster Phoenix
If it's UU Neron? Then he wins.

iceman24567
Underworld Unleashed? He is >hostless Nabu and Shazam amped?

Aster Phoenix
Look at what he did to Spectre.

hunbu04
Neron is the waekest character in this thread. Come on Neron unleashing the entire underworld upon the spectre will not work. another hell lord also try that and the spectre became more powerful tell him that he is vengence and the dark souls of hell only increases his power. second we can judge neron jsut after one issue if reign in hell and you miss read because it is said that neron is absolute ruler for the second level of hell the first being where blaze and saturnus rule. last time we saw neron before reign in hell he was being punish the the coulcil of the lowest of the lowest also refered to as the first fallen ones and they actual control all the realm of hell and decide who the hell lords and another think they were all seraph lucifer and michael rank acrhangel before they fell from grace.

occultdestroyer
Team 2 7/10

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