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So for the fate of the omniverse, Metron and Worlock have gained knowlege that Thanos and DS are working together to plot the destruction and reordering of all realties into one in which they would split The spoils and engage in eternal conflict with each other for thier musings.

Metron and Warlock sensing the peril of all the denizens of reality, and the absolute torture and fear they would suffer at the hands of the stone faces if they are forced to endure eteral conflict, decide that they must out prep the duo.

can metron and warlock beat Thanos and DS at thier own game?

Thanos and DS have no knowlege that Metron and Warlock are on to them.

no, Metron and Warlock are inferior to DS and Thanos, respectively

although DS and Thanos may just have too much ego between them to work effectively and that each will try to screw the other thereby resulting in self-defeat

Originally posted by fangirl101
So for the fate of the omniverse, Metron and Worlock have gained knowlege that Thanos and DS are working together to plot the destruction and reordering of all realties into one in which they would split The spoils and engage in eternal conflict with each other for thier musings.

Metron and Warlock sensing the peril of all the denizens of reality, and the absolute torture and fear they would suffer at the hands of the stone faces if they are forced to endure eteral conflict, decide that they must out prep the duo.

can metron and warlock beat Thanos and DS at thier own game?
The classic Evil Duo team up, works wonder for Doom & Khan...

Most likely Darkseid/Thanos will win this match against Adam Warlock/Metron.

Afterwards Darkseid and Thanos will bebray each other. Thanos outsmart Darkseid and rise to the top

Originally posted by vansonbee
The classic Evil Duo team up, works wonder for Doom & Khan...

Most likely Darkseid/Thanos will win this match against Adam Warlock/Metron.

Afterwards Darkseid and Thanos will bebray each other. Thanos outsmart Darkseid and rise to the top
DS outsmarted the source. Even knew who it was before anyone else. And even managed to rebirth the entire new gods family into abstract level beings.

More likely Darkseid will outfox Thanos. He's alot more used to being betrayed, look at his staff. He expects it and welcomes it.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
More likely Darkseid will outfox Thanos. He's alot more used to being betrayed, look at his staff. He expects it and welcomes it.

Darkseid took over the universe how many time?

Thanos has already did that 3-4 time's.

Thanos even outmatch tatics against being of LT standard.

Originally posted by vansonbee
Darkseid took over the universe how many time?

Thanos has already did that 3-4 time's.

Thanos even outmatch tatics against being of LT standard.

Big ****ing whup. He didn't face anywhere near the opposition Darkseid does.

And he didn't match shit on tactics. He beat marvel abstracts with super powered artifacts, not tactics, and certainly not his own tech.

Darkseid has outsmarted abstracts and actually engineered via his own tech, a way to beat the Source, the very creator of the New Gods.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Big ****ing whup. He didn't face anywhere near the opposition Darkseid does.

And he didn't match shit on tactics. He beat marvel abstracts with super powered artifacts, not tactics, and certainly not his own tech.

Darkseid has outsmarted abstracts and actually engineered via his own tech, a way to beat the Source, the very creator of the New Gods.

Hey hey! you said it. How did he acquire these Powered Artifacts in the first part? You can't just put it aside, Thanos work up good plan to acquire those through planning





. : / Where are those Thanos fanboys When we need them most!

Originally posted by vansonbee
Hey hey! you said it. How did he acquire these Powered Artifacts in the first part? You can't just put it aside, Thanos work up good plan to acquire those through planning





. : / Where are those Thanos fanboys When we need them most!

And the problem is, he can't get those artifacts again. HOTU no longer exists. The infinity gems can no longer be merged per TOAA's command. doped

He got the gems from the Elders of the universe. Losers one and all.

TOAA set HOTU up specifically for Thanos to get, it doesn't count as a prep feat. Yes, he gets credit for finding it, but how much does it count when GOD wants you to win and acquire the item in questions?

Darkseid has never had such luxuries. In fact, his plans are much more complex because he operates on a higher level and he has tougher opposition. Not to mention having to deal with New Genesis, a planet of New Gods equal or near equal to his own forces.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Big ****ing whup. He didn't face anywhere near the opposition Darkseid does.

And he didn't match shit on tactics. He beat marvel abstracts with super powered artifacts, not tactics, and certainly not his own tech.

Darkseid has outsmarted abstracts and actually engineered via his own tech, a way to beat the Source, the very creator of the New Gods. Darkseid was easily defeated in countdown along with mary marvel. his power source was destroyed rather quickly.

Darkseid was killed in countdown by the likes of Orion. He had the Source beat and mucked that all up as well in dong. Supes distracted him giving the Source the time to summon Orion which ran Darkseid off.

All Darkseid's brilliant planning mucked up by Supes. Thats it.


All you need is Orion it seems.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And the problem is, he can't get those artifacts again. HOTU no longer exists. The infinity gems can no longer be merged per TOAA's command. doped

He got the gems from the Elders of the universe. Losers one and all.

TOAA set HOTU up specifically for Thanos to get, it doesn't count as a prep feat. Yes, he gets credit for finding it, but how much does it count when GOD wants you to win and acquire the item in questions?

Darkseid has never had such luxuries. In fact, his plans are much more complex because he operates on a higher level and he has tougher opposition. Not to mention having to deal with New Genesis, a planet of New Gods equal or near equal to his own forces. The new gods souls powerup doesnt exist either. His chances of gaining the godwave also were mucked up. Ares beat him to the punch. He outschemed Darkseid. NO ONE OUTSCHEMES A MOTIVATED THANOS.

Thanos still put himself in a position to get his hands on it. It most certainly counts. Only Thanos could handle this awesome power and fix these flaws.

Darkseid isnt as good as Thanos. He gets outschemed and screws up all the time. Thanos accomplishes his goals while Darkseid doesnt. Thats the difference.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Big ****ing whup. He didn't face anywhere near the opposition Darkseid does.

And he didn't match shit on tactics. He beat marvel abstracts with super powered artifacts, not tactics, and certainly not his own tech.

Darkseid has outsmarted abstracts and actually engineered via his own tech, a way to beat the Source, the very creator of the New Gods.

He outsmart Galactus on regulary basis.
He got the gems by outmsarting the Elders, all under the nose of Eternity, Infinity, etc.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
He outsmart Galactus on regulary basis.
He got the gems by outmsarting the Elders, all under the nose of Eternity, Infinity, etc.
and he gained the gems whilst tricking mistress death.

He outsmarted Mephisto himself too.

Tricksterpriest is right. The difference between Thanos and Darkseid is that Darkseid isn't given the luxuries Thanos has. The gems, HOTU all of these were in convenient places, easily within physical reach for Thanos.

Darkseid actually has to rely on his own prowess to get anything, his intellect, his tech, his forces and against great odds: namely an empire with as much power and technology as his own including many of the universes heroes.

DC doesn't have a HOTU or an IG, so in DS's case those feats by Thanos shouldn't count in a comparison. The ALE is not a trinket or an object conveniently within reach for Darkseid, he's had to go through years of experimentation to trigger an event, cataclysm or source of power to acquire it, not the same thing at all.

As far as outfoxing Darkseid goes, he has far more active experience with betrayal and secret plotting than Thanos. Darkseid is surrounded by schemers and backstabbers, he welcomes their ambition while he himself schemes and plans around them. History shows that Darkseid is more likely to outfox Thanos.

And back to the topic at hand, can metron and warlock counter prep the stone face duo?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The new gods souls powerup doesnt exist either. His chances of gaining the godwave also were mucked up. Ares beat him to the punch. He outschemed Darkseid. NO ONE OUTSCHEMES A MOTIVATED THANOS.

Thanos still put himself in a position to get his hands on it. It most certainly counts. Only Thanos could handle this awesome power and fix these flaws.

Darkseid isnt as good as Thanos. He gets outschemed and screws up all the time. Thanos accomplishes his goals while Darkseid doesnt. Thats the difference.

New gods powerup does exist. It's easily within his ability to recreate. Godwave, well, that one is out. But in case you didn't notice, Ares beat him to the punch, but Darkseid was prepared for that regardless. He still managed to trap Ares with his tech, despite universal power backing Ares.

"NO ONE OUTSCHEMES A MOTIVATED THANOS." Adam Warlock, God, Captain Mar-Vel, Mephisto briefly, Fantastic 4, Mistress Death, and if you count his interference in Annihilation, Drax.

Thanos was hand-picked by god. Yes, he was good enough to figure it out, but only after he gained it did he realize it was a poison pill.

Thanos accomplishes his goals? Then why isn't he still ruler of the universe, wielder of the infinity gauntlet, etc? Because like almost every other villain, Thanos too fails. the big problem is, Thanos causes his own downfall. He has a massive failure/inferiority complex which has cost him ultimate power no less than 3 times.

Darkseid may lose, but at least he doesn't lose because of an innate weakness or personality failing.

Thanos's biggest problem is ironically what you call his strength. Starlin. The man is a hack writer, and it hurts Thanos's character. See, Starlin can write some people well, perhaps even brilliantly. But he has a noted tendency to do so at the expense of others. Making his creations look better by comparison, he dumbs down the opposition. Which is why he's inferior to truly great writers like Ellis, Morrison, Johns, Ostrander and Simone.

it is entirely possible to make a villain look great, while still respecting and acknowledging the hero's abilities and character. And in that, is Starlin's failing. He's unoriginal, repetative, and appears to have a genuine lack of writing talent.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
He outsmart Galactus on regulary basis.
He got the gems by outmsarting the Elders, all under the nose of Eternity, Infinity, etc.

He never outsmarted Galactus, because it was always one-sided prep.

Galactus was never plotting against Thanos, Thanos was just trying to gain powerful items. Thanos never really outsmarts Galactus, can your mind grasp this? Getting THOTU wasn't Thanos outsmarting the LT or any other abstracts, none of them were trying to acquire that power nor were any of them trying to "fight" Thanos. Was the event with "Hunger" supposed to be an example of Thanos outsmarting Galactus? Because it was laughable.

Let's say that John plans to kill the unaware Joe. John purchases a gun and shoots Joe. Did John outsmart Joe?

The answer: You're all retards.

Originally posted by fangirl101
And back to the topic at hand, can metron and warlock counter prep the stone face duo?

Metron and Warlock can certainly counter prep the stone face duo, especially Metron.

It's doable. thanos is near Darkseid's level, in terms of intellect. But his subconscious failure complex has always haunted him.

Adam Warlock has Thanos's number. And that could give them an edge. Thanos could be a handicap to his team because of Warlock.

Originally posted by vansonbee
Hey hey! you said it. How did he acquire these Powered Artifacts in the first part? You can't just put it aside, Thanos work up good plan to acquire those through planning

That is the thing; his plans to get those WEREN'T good.

How did he get the Infinity Gems? He went around and beat people up for their gems. Hardly a master stratagem. You can argue that his TACTICS were decent (though getting Champion to destroy the planet was really the smartest thing he did...which is said) but his strategy was the picture of simplicity.

How did he get the Heart of the Universe? Well, we don't know since the story as it appeared isn't exactly canon. But even assuming it happened exactly as presented...he saw an opportunity and took it. And nothing more than that.

What was his grand plan against Annihilus? He didn't have one, but to set what he created free. What his grand plan to defeat the Hunger? Nuke it. What was his grand plan to defeat Omega? Nuke it.

Infinity War and Infinity Crusade was both Adam and he planning, so those are shared strategy feats.

So...no, Thanos' schemes are hardly the stuff of legend.

As for the battle, Metron isn't going to be great on outplanning anyone. Metron, as a concept, is science unrestrained. For sciences' sake, and nothing more. Metron is knowledge, and HIMON is the application of knowledge.

So he'll basically be Warlock's info and tech guy, but he isn't going to be planning any great defeat.

As such, I'd say Thanos and Darkseid would probably win. They have technology about equal to that of Metron -- Recall that Metron wanted the belt of strength that Apokolips possessed AND need Apokolips' X-element -- with two good strategic minds vs 1 (Adam Warlock's).





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Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid was easily defeated in countdown along with mary marvel. his power source was destroyed rather quickly.

Darkseid was killed in countdown by the likes of Orion.

This is honestly the funniest 'bad showing' I could ever hear from a Thanos fan, given that the depowered DRAX ripped out Thanos' heart and was none the worse for wear as a result.

At least Darkseid's battle with Orion messed Orion up, leaving him on the brink of death.

Originally posted by Nihilist
and he gained the gems whilst tricking mistress death.

Um, tricking, really?

He just lied to her, and she took him at his word.

What genius!

Team DS/Thanos kills and since this is not a DS vs Thanos thread (again) that's all is needed to be said...

Plus I've seen posts with DS manhandling Metron like a small blinded, armless retarded b1tch...

Originally posted by comicfan11
Team DS/Thanos kills and since this is not a DS vs Thanos thread (again) that's all is needed to be said...

Plus I've seen posts with DS manhandling Metron like a small blinded, armless retarded b1tch...

Well physically it's even MORE obvious, but I this is a prep battle.

OOOh soryyy.
Didn't wathc the thread rules...

In this case I laso have to go with team DS/Thanos.
Warlock might be able to show some tricks to Thanos form time to time but DS has made Metron look like a noob in scheming many times.

Thus team stoneface.

He also made Metron his slave in Rock of Ages.

Originally posted by Desaad
He also made Metron his slave in Rock of Ages.

One of those instances that he makes Metron look like a noob

See, that's the difference between Morrison and Starlin. Metron didn't look bad for that. He didn't enslave Metron, he used the ALE on him. What corrupted Metron, was his own thirst for knowledge. Which, as everyone who knows the character knows, has made him sell out the universe to Darkseid before. All Darkseid did was bring the darker side of Metron to the surface.

And this was done without insulting the readers or Metron's character.

I'm not sure I get what you are saying. Rock of Ages' Metron was clearly Darkseid's slave, as he was verbally stroking the Darkseid and directly following his orders.

It doesn't look bad really because Orion and Darkseid are the absolute alphas of the New God mythos and so it's expected and accepted for the others not to look quite up to their snuff.

Originally posted by Desaad
I'm not sure I get what you are saying. Rock of Ages' Metron was clearly Darkseid's slave, as he was verbally stroking the Darkseid and directly following his orders.

It doesn't look bad really because Orion and Darkseid are the absolute alphas of the New God mythos and so it's expected and accepted for the others not to look quite up to their snuff.
Metron is actually the inbetween of the new gods mythos. And Morrison like metron. Metron seems to be the alpha of the new Gods. He is the one who schemes and gives man the weapon that will lead to mankinds salvation. And it was metron whom the source allowed to see his final plans. Metron is the best, smartest, and brightest among all new gods.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
But his subconscious failure complex has always haunted him.
Actually it has not done so once since the IG saga.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Metron is actually the inbetween of the new gods mythos.

To a degree, yes, in the sense that he is selfish and pragmatic rather than actually evil or good.

He's more 'unknown' then he is 'in between', a concept better characterized by Orion (who is born of evil, raised in good and struggling with both...poised BETWEEN Darkness and Light, after all.)




No doubt, and he does a great job with him.




That doesn't make him the Alpha of the New Gods though. Just the New God that interacts with humanity more, in the beginning.

And THAT is likely just because he is the God of Knowledge, so it's HIS duty to impart knowledge to humanity.



No, he really isn't.

He's the smartest, yes, but that is only true in terms of intellectual intelligence. He certainly isn't the brightest -- Thats Lightray or Highfather or Serifan or Mr. Miracle -- and he isn't the best either, as he REGULARLY goes back on his word or performs extremely questionable acts to get what he wants.

The Source - or that energy being masquerading as the Source - liked him precisely because he was so morally grey, not because he was the best.

He isn't the alpha either. Orion, Highfather and Darkseid have all shown clear dominance over him when it came down to it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Metron is actually the inbetween of the new gods mythos. And Morrison like metron. Metron seems to be the alpha of the new Gods. He is the one who schemes and gives man the weapon that will lead to mankinds salvation. And it was metron whom the source allowed to see his final plans. Metron is the best, smartest, and brightest among all new gods.

Yep! Metron is like the Baldur of the new gods, he's not Darkseid or Highfather in the power department, but he has many of their strong qualities.

TERRIBLE example. Baldur was the favored son of Odin, and considered the fairest and most magnanimous. The entire world weeped to revive him.

Metron is closer to a combination of Heimdall and Prometheus.

Originally posted by Allankles
Yep! Metron is like the Baldur of the new gods, he's not Darkseid or Highfather in the power department, but he has many of their strong qualities.

What?

No, Lightray is the God of Light for the New Gods, and if anyone conceptually represented Baldur it would be Scott Free.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's doable. thanos is near Darkseid's level, in terms of intellect. But his subconscious failure complex has always haunted him.

Adam Warlock has Thanos's number. And that could give them an edge. Thanos could be a handicap to his team because of Warlock. Thanos has changed since the ig. that was the last time his subconscious proved to be his undoing.Originally posted by Desaad
This is honestly the funniest 'bad showing' I could ever hear from a Thanos fan, given that the depowered DRAX ripped out Thanos' heart and was none the worse for wear as a result.

At least Darkseid's battle with Orion messed Orion up, leaving him on the brink of death. Thanos was trying to free Galactus at the time. Did you forget that, he wasnt even engaging Drax in battle? That and the fact that Drax was created to destroy Thanos. Originally posted by Desaad
I'm not sure I get what you are saying. Rock of Ages' Metron was clearly Darkseid's slave, as he was verbally stroking the Darkseid and directly following his orders.

It doesn't look bad really because Orion and Darkseid are the absolute alphas of the New God mythos and so it's expected and accepted for the others not to look quite up to their snuff. Metron was clearly Darkseid's ***** and looked second rate in that tale.

The fact that Drax was created to destroy Thanos means nothing. He had failed numerous other times, but apparently it wasn't an issue of strength so much as skill. The effects mentioned in the book were simply that he could sense Thanos, his adrenaline got pumping when he got close, and he was compelled to kill him.

Thanos tried to stop him with an energy shield, which apparently wasn't powerful enough to stop a sub top tier.

Terrible, TERRIBLE showing for Thanos. Certainly moreso than Orion killing Darkseid.

Originally posted by fangirl101
And back to the topic at hand, can metron and warlock counter prep the stone face duo? So you are ignoring the godwave,the ale,and the new gods souls powerup in dong? These were powerups that he sought out to give him an edge.

Thanos also let Mephisto be his right hand man for shits and giggles. He later deceived meph out of a functioning cosmic cube. Thanos schemed the devil himself,not desaad or granny goodness. Those are the buffoons who are in his court. Originally posted by llagrok
He never outsmarted Galactus, because it was always one-sided prep.

Galactus was never plotting against Thanos, Thanos was just trying to gain powerful items. Thanos never really outsmarts Galactus, can your mind grasp this? Getting THOTU wasn't Thanos outsmarting the LT or any other abstracts, none of them were trying to acquire that power nor were any of them trying to "fight" Thanos. Was the event with "Hunger" supposed to be an example of Thanos outsmarting Galactus? Because it was laughable.

Let's say that John plans to kill the unaware Joe. John purchases a gun and shoots Joe. Did John outsmart Joe?

The answer: You're all retards. Do you really think that Galactus could outprep Thanos,really? Galactus is downright dumb compared to the likes of Thanos.

Originally posted by Desaad
The fact that Drax was created to destroy Thanos means nothing. He had failed numerous other times, but apparently it wasn't an issue of strength so much as skill. The effects mentioned in the book were simply that he could sense Thanos, his adrenaline got pumping when he got close, and he was compelled to kill him.

Thanos tried to stop him with an energy shield, which apparently wasn't powerful enough to stop a sub top tier.

Terrible, TERRIBLE showing for Thanos. Certainly moreso than Orion killing Darkseid. So, your ignoring the fact that he was his silver bullet and that his ranking as a character had nothing to do with that. Drax just underwent a transformation and keith giffen obviously gave him new powers that no other writer had dared give him. He still cheapshotted the very character he was created to destroy. Not a horrible showing at all,no matter how you try to slant it.

Darkseid couldnt beat Superman and had to resort to using jimmy olsen to gain an advantage. Then Orion pwned him in a fair fight. Orion wasnt created to destroy Darkseid.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
New gods powerup does exist. It's easily within his ability to recreate. Godwave, well, that one is out. But in case you didn't notice, Ares beat him to the punch, but Darkseid was prepared for that regardless. He still managed to trap Ares with his tech, despite universal power backing Ares.

"NO ONE OUTSCHEMES A MOTIVATED THANOS." Adam Warlock, God, Captain Mar-Vel, Mephisto briefly, Fantastic 4, Mistress Death, and if you count his interference in Annihilation, Drax.

Thanos was hand-picked by god. Yes, he was good enough to figure it out, but only after he gained it did he realize it was a poison pill.

Thanos accomplishes his goals? Then why isn't he still ruler of the universe, wielder of the infinity gauntlet, etc? Because like almost every other villain, Thanos too fails. the big problem is, Thanos causes his own downfall. He has a massive failure/inferiority complex which has cost him ultimate power no less than 3 times.

Darkseid may lose, but at least he doesn't lose because of an innate weakness or personality failing.

Thanos's biggest problem is ironically what you call his strength. Starlin. The man is a hack writer, and it hurts Thanos's character. See, Starlin can write some people well, perhaps even brilliantly. But he has a noted tendency to do so at the expense of others. Making his creations look better by comparison, he dumbs down the opposition. Which is why he's inferior to truly great writers like Ellis, Morrison, Johns, Ostrander and Simone.

it is entirely possible to make a villain look great, while still respecting and acknowledging the hero's abilities and character. And in that, is Starlin's failing. He's unoriginal, repetative, and appears to have a genuine lack of writing talent. Darkseid prepped for this new gods powerup due to his savy regarding the Source and his plan. He couldnt do it again.

Darkseid was beaten to the punch but knew enough about the situation to know when to strike. But Ares clearly outprepped him. That doesnt happen to Thanos.

Thanos loses yes but who on this list has outschemed him? Drax showed up at the right time. Thats it. The rest are heroes who beat him when the time is right. When did Mephisto trick him?

Thanos fixed all of creation and then restored himself. He upgraded himself and restored his lost fleet,and you called it a poison pill. Thanos even turned that into his advantage. He is that friggin good.

Thanos hasnt lost due to his subconscious since the ig my friend. Thanos accomplishes his goal but you as a reader must know by now that the villain has to lose sooner or later. Do you really think that either Darkseid or Thanos will rule the universe for years to come? Are ya serious?

Darkseid loses because he mucks up. He fails. He is incompetent compared to Thanos. Darkseid accomplishes less with his own planet and his own personal army. Thats bad.

The rest is all your opinion which is off imo.

Starlin was asked to pen the death of the new gods. I think its kind of ironic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid prepped for this new gods powerup due to his savy regarding the Source and his plan. He couldnt do it again.

Darkseid was beaten to the punch but knew enough about the situation to know when to strike. But Ares clearly outprepped him. That doesnt happen to Thanos.

Thanos loses yes but who on this list has outschemed him? Drax showed up at the right time. Thats it. The rest are heroes who beat him when the time is right. When did Mephisto trick him?

Thanos fixed all of creation and then restored himself. He upgraded himself and restored his lost fleet,and you called it a poison pill. Thanos even turned that into his advantage. He is that friggin good.

Thanos hasnt lost due to his subconscious since the ig my friend. Thanos accomplishes his goal but you as a reader must know by now that the villain has to lose sooner or later. Do you really think that either Darkseid or Thanos will rule the universe for years to come? Are ya serious?

Darkseid loses because he mucks up. He fails. He is incompetent compared to Thanos. Darkseid accomplishes less with his own planet and his own personal army. Thats bad.

The rest is all your opinion which is off imo.

Starlin was asked to pen the death of the new gods. I think its kind of ironic.
This EFFING THREAD IS NOT ABOUT DS AGAINT EFFING THANOS. God Damnit.

Originally posted by fangirl101
This EFFING THREAD IS NOT ABOUT DS AGAINT EFFING THANOS. God Damnit. I responded to his post.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I responded to his post.

And last I checked, DS engineered himself and all the new Gods to be reborn at galactus levels. And he wins ultimately in the FINAL CRISIS. So um yeah. There you have it. But we don't know what trick metron has up his sleeve either. I'm going on a 50/50 split in this thread.

Originally posted by fangirl101
And last I checked, DS engineered himself and all the new Gods to be reborn at galactus levels. And he wins ultimately in the FINAL CRISIS. So um yeah. There you have it. But we don't know what trick metron has up his sleeve either. I'm going on a 50/50 split in this thread. Ds will lose in fc like he always does. Thanos has become supreme while Ds is stuck emailing the ale.

Sorry,I couldnt resist.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds will lose in fc like he always does. Thanos has become supreme while Ds is stuck emailing the ale.

Sorry,I couldnt resist.
You just couldn't help yourself. really. It's disappointing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So, your ignoring the fact that he was his silver bullet and that his ranking as a character had nothing to do with that.

No, I'm recognizing that being a 'silver bullet' means nothing because he's been exactly that for his entire career. Being a Silver Bullet might just mean he had the right combination of skills, strength, speed and invulnerability to kill Thanos -- Which he clearly did.

I'm recalling that the only effect in the actual narration was that being close to Thanos got his adrenaline pumping -- so if you want to argue that Drax was at the top of his game for his confrontation with Thanos, knock yourself out.



Haha, 'dared to give you'. A bit pompous, don't you think?

Drax had already been changed from one form to another. What exactly do you think happened with this last one that suddenly activated this silver bullet clause that has never existed before?




It is absolutely a terrible showing to have your heart ripped out by a character on that level. He's a mid level character.



Whats nice about that is that it's all been retconned -- those were just Darkseid avatars.




Orion has been destined to destroy/kill Darkseid since the very inception of the character. The entire Drax/Thanos duality was directly LIFTED from the Orion/Darkseid prophecy (just as all Starlin's cosmic cast was directly ripped off from the New Gods...Titanians were a technologically advanced offshoot of the Greek Gods originally...so basically the new Gods...Pip was Oberon, Adam Warlock was Mr. Miracle right down to the christ allusions...Drax was Orion...Thanos was Darkseid....Gamora was Big Barda...ya get me?).

I have to say that your choice of classification -- being taken down by a single punch, ripping out your heart by a mid tier character isn't a bad showing, but having an all out battle with a top tier who had just flung aside the entire JLA with a gesture, a battle that lasted an issue and which caused the death of your opponent as well...thats a pwning.

Ridiculous.

Originally posted by Desaad
Whats nice about that is that it's all been retconned -- those were just Darkseid avatars.No they weren't. Neither was the one that got his ass kicked in Superman/Batman.
Originally posted by Desaad
Orion has been destined to destroy/kill Darkseid since the very inception of the character. The entire Drax/Thanos duality was directly LIFTED from the Orion/Darkseid prophecy (just as all Starlin's cosmic cast was directly ripped off from the New Gods...Titanians were a technologically advanced offshoot of the Greek Gods originally...so basically the new Gods...Pip was Oberon, Adam Warlock was Mr. Miracle right down to the christ allusions...Drax was Orion...Thanos was Darkseid....Gamora was Big Barda...ya get me?). hysterical

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No they weren't. Neither was the one that got his ass kicked in Superman/Batman.

As per Final Crisis, it seems as though they were.

I'm not referring to the John Byrne New Gods 15 retcon, mind you -- that didn't outright retcon anything, as I've been saying for many, many years.

Originally posted by Desaad
As per Final Crisis, it seems as though they were.

I'm not referring to the John Byrne New Gods 15 retcon, mind you -- that didn't outright retcon anything, as I've been saying for many, many years. No. The only Darkseid that could possibly be an avatar is the Countdown or Death of the New Gods Darkseid. And really, it's not so much an avatar excuse but an outright retcon that utterly nullifies those events. Frankly speaking, it's a pity too. Darkseid actually had some decent feats in those storylines. But the Darkseid in Superman/Batman went from kidnapping Supergirl, to being trapped on the Source Wall, to being freed by Superman and losing his Omega Force powers, and ultimately regaining them. An avatar would not lose the actual Omega Force.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No.


From the rest of your post it is getting pretty clear that you don't know what I'm talking about here, so I'm just going to ignore the rest and give a brief explanation. If I'm not clear enough, please feel free to sift through the very many Morrison interviews on the subject.

SPOILERS FOR FINAL CRISIS

But basically the Morrison idea is that we've never actually seen the New Gods fully manifest in the physical DCU. That for a number of reasons, both the nature of the universe and the ever raging battle between the gods of New Genesis and Apokolips, we've only seen...projections, into the DCU. Something akin to the Flesh Suit we saw Asmodel use in Paradise Lost.

Hence what we are getting in Final Crisis with Darkseid first as a large black man, then as Dan "Terrible" Turpin, Kalibak and the rest of the New Gods as humans.

Supposedly Final Crisis will be our first exposure to full New Gods, an event that will be akin to 'a dozen Galactus' arriving on earth'.

Yeah, well we'll see how that plays out, but thats what we've been told.

^ Which doesn't mean crap when we discuss Darkseid in vs forums, because we don't know how Final Crisis will turn out. Therefore, arguing that "Darkseid getting his butt kicked by Superman was just all avatars" is pointless until we see this new Darkseid who must obviously be more powerful.

Originally posted by Desaad
No, I'm recognizing that being a 'silver bullet' means nothing because he's been exactly that for his entire career. Being a Silver Bullet might just mean he had the right combination of skills, strength, speed and invulnerability to kill Thanos -- Which he clearly did.

I'm recalling that the only effect in the actual narration was that being close to Thanos got his adrenaline pumping -- so if you want to argue that Drax was at the top of his game for his confrontation with Thanos, knock yourself out.



Haha, 'dared to give you'. A bit pompous, don't you think?

Drax had already been changed from one form to another. What exactly do you think happened with this last one that suddenly activated this silver bullet clause that has never existed before?




It is absolutely a terrible showing to have your heart ripped out by a character on that level. He's a mid level character.



Whats nice about that is that it's all been retconned -- those were just Darkseid avatars.




Orion has been destined to destroy/kill Darkseid since the very inception of the character. The entire Drax/Thanos duality was directly LIFTED from the Orion/Darkseid prophecy (just as all Starlin's cosmic cast was directly ripped off from the New Gods...Titanians were a technologically advanced offshoot of the Greek Gods originally...so basically the new Gods...Pip was Oberon, Adam Warlock was Mr. Miracle right down to the christ allusions...Drax was Orion...Thanos was Darkseid....Gamora was Big Barda...ya get me?).

I have to say that your choice of classification -- being taken down by a single punch, ripping out your heart by a mid tier character isn't a bad showing, but having an all out battle with a top tier who had just flung aside the entire JLA with a gesture, a battle that lasted an issue and which caused the death of your opponent as well...thats a pwning.

Ridiculous. So,you ignore Drax's purpose and keith giffen's drax resurrection as a means to downplay Thanos,interesting. Drax was created to destroy Thanos. He didnt possess the right skillls, he was created for this sole purpose.

Well,I believe Giffen changed the rules. You do realize writers can do whatever they want. I think he saw Drax adapt. He adapted laregely due to the fact,that all his previous encounters with Thanos came up with a big goose egg. He was less powerful,but more suited to take out Thanos. Hence,the silver bullet theory.

Thanos had his back turned,Drax had recently undergone a dramatic transformation,and your ignoring the sole purpose for Drax's creation. Again,he was created for the sole purpose of destroying Thanos.

Really,when? Scans?

Orion had already killed Darkseid. The prophecy was already fulfilled. So,try again. Thanos was insrpied by Darkseid. But, the gobots were before the transfromer as well. Transformers>>Gobots,just like Thanos>Darkseid. Its simple really and its only based on your subjective personal opinion on these matters. Dont take this personally.

First off,the battle between Darkseid and Orion lasted a lot less than an issue. He fought Olsen at first,and then Orion showed up in the middle of the book. Orion pwned him. He had to call off support as he could take him on his own in a fair fight. Darkseid had screwed up so badly,that he fought Orion on his own with Supes and them watching on waiting to tear into Darkseid,because of Orion's honor. It only took one top tier to beat Ds in battle. This theme keeps repeating itself. Top tiers standing up to Darkseid.He destroyed Darkseid in a fair fight. Drax was created to kill Thanos and punched his heart out with his back turned. Huge difference.

In closing,Orion was destined to kill Darkseid which he already had,while Drax was created for the sole purpose of destroying Thanos. He needed a cheapshot to do it.

You all can't play nice so the thread's closed. It's sad that people can't be civil. With some people, things always get reduced to petty rivalries, fanboyism and trolling.