Trinity Superman vs. Red Hulk

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DestinyGuy678
Trinity Superman was superman with all over wonderwomans and batmans skills

vs.

red hulk

Sup3rman1521
If Loeb is writing this battle, Rulk wins 1000000/10. Anyways, Rulk has his healing factor.

guy222
Rulk

Endrict Nuul
If Leob is writing than Rulk wins, if not than Supes.

carnage52
rulk teabags n junk.

Knowsbleed33
Trinity Supes goes down hard. He was dropped by 1 punch from Konvikt. Rulk can easily duplicate that.

vlaaad12345
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Trinity Supes goes down hard. He was dropped by 1 punch from Konvikt. Rulk can easily duplicate that.
Hes talking about the superman just recently from trinity...the one that owned owlman ultraman and the evil wonderwoman(forgot her name)with very little effort.

FearOfBlood
Whoever his writer is Rulk wins.

Endless Mike
Trinity Superman is just normal Superman with some of Batman and Wonder Woman's emotions

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Trinity Superman is just normal Superman with some of Batman and Wonder Woman's emotions he calculates more, he would slug it out with a person equal to his strength.

Mighty Saxon
Rulky

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he calculates more, he would slug it out with a person equal to his strength. I meant he wouldnt

Allankles
Superman wanted to test Konvikt's power so he let him hit him clean with his best shot, besides Konvikt didn't take out Superman, he made Superman groggy for a bit, nothing more.

Superman wouldn't let Rulk smash him with his best shot, like he did with Konvikt in a forum battle. Trinity Superman has a lot going for him so he likely takes the majority imo.

quanchi112
Rulk wins....easily.

Priest
Rulk.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by quanchi112
Rulk wins....easily. how? unlike regular superman, trinity supermans uses his powers to the fullest, he wouldnt slug it out with red hulk, rather use pressure points and his superior speed.

Badabing
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
how? unlike regular superman, trinity supermans uses his powers to the fullest, he wouldnt slug it out with red hulk, rather use pressure points and his superior speed. Originally posted by ankur29
superman owns ultraman,owlman,superwoman

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/518/trinity13p04md6.th.jpg http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/3171/trinity13p05ia6.th.jpg http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7175/trinity13p06zw7.th.jpg http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7791/trinity13p07yf0.th.jpg http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/822/trinity13p08gu1.th.jpg

Red Hulk
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
how? unlike regular superman, trinity supermans uses his powers to the fullest, he wouldnt slug it out with red hulk, rather use pressure points and his superior speed. The speed to make make sonic booms?

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Red Hulk
The speed to make make sonic booms? ....hes faster than red hulk

DigiMark007
Originally posted by FearOfBlood
Whoever his writer is Rulk wins.

K. I'm the writer. Who wins now?

Lemme give you a hint:

superdur

Badabing
Originally posted by DigiMark007
K. I'm the writer. Who wins now?

Lemme give you a hint:

superdur laughing out loud I mean....durredhulk

Red Hulk
Originally posted by DigiMark007
K. I'm the writer. Who wins now?

Lemme give you a hint:

superdur Rulk skins Superman and wears him?

Mindset
Originally posted by DigiMark007
K. I'm the writer. Who wins now?

Lemme give you a hint:

superdur Rulk in a cape?

quanchi112
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
how? unlike regular superman, trinity supermans uses his powers to the fullest, he wouldnt slug it out with red hulk, rather use pressure points and his superior speed. Have you read Rulk?
He has beaten the shit out of a Watcher and Thor. I mean he beat the piss out of them. Supes is toast.

Val-E-Doosh
Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
It wasnt stated of what Karate kid version we are using here. By KMC default rules its current.
Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
If Leob is writing than Rulk wins, if not than Supes.
How quickly everyone forgets. Loeb is the ultimate Superman fanboy.

Mindset
THat was before Rulk came along.

Red Hulk
Ya, now Loeb actually has a creation that he would most likely chose over someone else's...

Avlon
Supes wins.

psycho gundam
yup, avlon is most definitely a BOT created by dc comics.

DestinyGuy678
how does red hulk win?

occultdestroyer
Originally posted by psycho gundam
yup, avlon is most definitely a BOT created by dc comics.
I can't stand the magnitude of the Marvel fanboys that pollute this forum.

Bouboumaster
Red Hulk win. It's spite.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Red Hulk win. It's spite. how

Sup3rman1521
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
how does red hulk win? he beats Hulk and knocked out Uatu. The win against Thor was just because Loeb found a loophole. But uh yea, c mon...Uatu? Uatu got knocked out ( and i don't think he should have been) but so yea Rulk wins.

I didn't mention the other guys Rulk beat because they weren't as tough as Hulk and Uatu are.

Sup3rman1521
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
how Because the way Loeb writes Rulk, there's no possible way he can lose. I mean there's a lot of guys that can school him such as Galactus, Thanos, Tyrant and all. but you gotta be top notch, really top notch to take Rulk down. Rulk is tough to be through brawling by h2h combat.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Sup3rman1521
Because the way Loeb writes Rulk, there's no possible way he can lose. I mean there's a lot of guys that can school him such as Galactus, Thanos, Tyrant and all. but you gotta be top notch, really top notch to take Rulk down. Rulk is tough to be through brawling by h2h combat. trinity hulk wouldnt slug it out with red hulk (which is the only ways he beaten his opponents)

Bouboumaster
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
trinity hulk wouldnt slug it out with red hulk (which is the only ways he beaten his opponents)

Wish not because Rulk would pwn him in the worse way possible. The best thing to do for Sups it's to gtfo and chill on another planet, where Rulk can't find him.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Wish not because Rulk would pwn him in the worse way possible. The best thing to do for Sups it's to gtfo and chill on another planet, where Rulk can't find him. how when superman is infinitely faster than red hulk, he doesnt have any good speed feats, he just slugged it out with all of his opponents.

Bouboumaster
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
how when superman is infinitely faster than red hulk, he doesnt have any good speed feats, he just slugged it out with all of his opponents.

He slugged Uatu. FRIGGIN' UATU!

Just that put him at least skyfather lvl!!!!

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
He slugged Uatu. FRIGGIN' UATU!

Just that put him at least skyfather lvl!!!! uatu didnt put up any defense at all

Avlon
Originally posted by psycho gundam
yup, avlon is most definitely a BOT created by dc comics.

http://i15.tinypic.com/48frlmf.jpg smile

CaptainStoic
Thor slammed Mjolnir full force into Rulk's face, and if he didn't have a cut on his forehead no one would have known that he was even hit.

Thor was spooked, and I can see the same thing happening to Superman just before he gets turned out.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Thor slammed Mjolnir full force into Rulk's face, and if he didn't have a cut on his forehead no one would have known that he was even hit.

Thor was spooked, and I can see the same thing happening to Superman just before he gets turned out. the reason thor lost was because he slugged it out rather thnan using his superior speed and versatility

Knowsbleed33
Where do people get this crap that Konvikt didn't knock Supes out? He was out cold, he was still out at the beginning of the next issue.

Dark-Jaxx
Honestly...When it comes to strength and durability, Rulk is fvckin ridiculous.

I just don't see any Superman bar the really overpowered ones like Prime taking shots from Mjolnir with a friggin smile.

quanchi112
Originally posted by psycho gundam
yup, avlon is most definitely a BOT created by dc comics. laughing out loud

llagrok
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
He slugged Uatu. FRIGGIN' UATU!

Just that put him at least skyfather lvl!!!!

NO IT ****ING DOES NOT. IS LUNATIK, WHO ADMITTED THAT HE WAS AN EQUAL TO THE SURFER A SKYFATHER TOO THEN?

Cheap shotting a watcher = skyfather level

Batman-Prime
Originally posted by quanchi112
Have you read Rulk?
He has beaten the shit out of a Watcher and Thor. I mean he beat the piss out of them. Supes is toast.

Rulk would even beat Thanos with one hand! stick out tongue

Dark-Jaxx
One hand?

You give Thanos to much credit.

He could do it with his ballsack alone.

quanchi112
Originally posted by llagrok
NO IT ****ING DOES NOT. IS LUNATIK, WHO ADMITTED THAT HE WAS AN EQUAL TO THE SURFER A SKYFATHER TOO THEN?

Cheap shotting a watcher = skyfather level Rulk also beat Thor,who many consider a skyfather since the odinforce is now known as the thor force,since it now resides in him.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Rulk would even beat Thanos with one hand! stick out tongue Never.

stick out tongue

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by quanchi112
Rulk also beat Thor,who many consider a skyfather since the odinforce is now known as the thor force,since it now resides in him. thor who didnt use his pseed or versatlity, and chose to slug it out with someone stronger than him.

quanchi112
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
thor who didnt use his pseed or versatlity, and chose to slug it out with someone stronger than him. Superman doesnt always use his speed or durability,either. He fights bricks with his fists most of the time as well.

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman doesnt always use his speed or durability,either. He fights bricks with his fists most of the time as well. ...And?

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman doesnt always use his speed or durability,either. He fights bricks with his fists most of the time as well. ....that being the the point of using TRINITY superman

quanchi112
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
thor who didnt use his pseed or versatlity, and chose to slug it out with someone stronger than him. Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
....that being the the point of using TRINITY superman In comic books fights dont always play out like this.Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
....that being the the point of using TRINITY superman He got pwned in a punch. He had backup to give him the time needed to recover. Rulk>>Konvikt.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by quanchi112
In comic books fights dont always play out like this. He got pwned in a punch. He had backup to give him the time needed to recover. Rulk>>Konvikt. Trinity superman bein the superman wit hthe skill and calculation of wonder woman and batman, who uses his speed and calculates every move, exactly like batman and he has wonder womans and batmans skill

quanchi112
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
Trinity superman bein the superman wit hthe skill and calculation of wonder woman and batman, who uses his speed and calculates every move, exactly like batman and he has wonder womans and batmans skill He got put down in one punch,momentarily and needed his teams help to get him the time he needed to recover.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by quanchi112
He got put down in one punch,momentarily and needed his teams help to get him the time he needed to recover. read again, trinity superman is superman with the collective minds of batman and wonder woman., not just all of supermans appearances in the trinity series.

quanchi112
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
read again, trinity superman is superman with the collective minds of batman and wonder woman., not just all of supermans appearances in the trinity series. Didnt Konvikt fight trinity Superman?

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by quanchi112
Didnt Konvikt fight trinity Superman? he faught superman from the trinity series, but he never faught superma nwith both batmans and wonder womans skills

Allankles
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
Trinity superman bein the superman wit hthe skill and calculation of wonder woman and batman, who uses his speed and calculates every move, exactly like batman and he has wonder womans and batmans skill

He doesn't have WW and Batman's skills, he has their emotional disposition. Wonderwoman's warrior mentality, (she fights by any means necessary). Batman's rage/anger his desire to put down his enemies in memorable fashion.

The only skills Trinity Superman has are his own, as he said himself, he has the skills that come from long years of fighting dangerous and inventive foes.

In the series it is revealed that Superman's natural disposition is to be distant, to gain perspective and to temper impulsive emotions. With WW and Batman's dispositions, he is more aggressive and unrelenting, he doesn't give his opponents time to recover.

He'd wipe the floor with Rulk IMO, screw up his internal organs/ lobotomize him like he did Mr Manchester and the Elites etc Basically he doesn't just use his fists, he uses his powers properly.

To me Trinity Superman is similar to Superman in Action comics 774 (I'm not sure on the issue), he just doesn't entertain his enemies with a simple fist fights.

Ultraman and Superwoman are faster than Rulk and Superman toyed with them, Rulk would be handled.

Allankles
Originally posted by quanchi112
Didnt Konvikt fight trinity Superman?

That was earlier in the series. He was much more impressive since WW and Batman's emotional dispositions fused with his own. He took care of the crime syndicate with something close to arrogance, when Superman is written like that he basically toys with bricks like Rulk. He's done it to Mongul, Doomsday, the Elites, the criminal syndicate et al.

quanchi112
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he faught superman from the trinity series, but he never faught superma nwith both batmans and wonder womans skills Where are you getting your information from?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Allankles
That was earlier in the series. He was much more impressive since WW and Batman's emotional dispositions fused with his own. He took care of the crime syndicate with something close to arrogance, when Superman is written like that he basically toys with bricks like Rulk. He's done it to Mongul, Doomsday, the Elites, the criminal syndicate et al. Rulk>all those characters you just named.

Supes wont be able to beat Rulk,no matter which disposition that he has at the time.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by quanchi112
Rulk>all those characters you just named.

Supes wont be able to beat Rulk,no matter which disposition that he has at the time. how, the only character red hulk beat were bricks who slugged it out with them.

Allankles
Originally posted by quanchi112
Where are you getting your information from?

He is right in the sense that we've seen two different sides to Superman in the series. The side that entertains his foes with simple brawls and then the other side that is almost remorseless in his treatment of villains. The Crime Syndicate pissed him off so much he went into their base to fight them alone, two clearly different mindsets and two clearly different approaches from Supes.

Allankles
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
how, the only character red hulk beat were bricks who slugged it out with them.

Exactly.

quanchi112
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
how, the only character red hulk beat were bricks who slugged it out with them. Thor got owned with his hammer. He also destroyed a watcher.

Feats are on Rulk's side.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Allankles
He is right in the sense that we've seen two different sides to Superman in the series. The side that entertains his foes with simple brawls and then the other side that is almost remorseless in his treatment of villains. The Crime Syndicate pissed him off so much he went into their base to fight them alone, two clearly different mindsets and two clearly different approaches from Supes. A character's mindset wont help Supes against Rulk. He is too strong.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor got owned with his hammer. He also destroyed a watcher.

Feats are on Rulk's side. you dont seem to get this. Red HUlk ONLY had strength on his side, all characters he beat tried to outmuscle him. this superman wouldnt use strength against a character equal to or greater in strength.

iceman24567
Written by a half decent writer Superman wins easily.

quanchi112
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
you dont seem to get this. Red HUlk ONLY had strength on his side, all characters he beat tried to outmuscle him. this superman wouldnt use strength against a character equal to or greater in strength. Thor's hammer isnt muscle. Rulk>Superman in terms of strength and feats.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor's hammer isnt muscle. Rulk>Superman in terms of strength and feats. thor was slugging it out with him, and not usin his speed which is the only reason red hulk maanaged to hit him.

quanchi112
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
thor was slugging it out with him, and not usin his speed which is the only reason red hulk maanaged to hit him. Has this Superman used speed to defeat his opponents?

OneDumbG0
^ Yes.

Allankles
Originally posted by quanchi112
A character's mindset wont help Supes against Rulk. He is too strong.

Rulk is too strong! And what is Superman, chopped liver?! Rulk is just another high level brick. He may be a little stronger than WWH and more durable but that doesn't put him on some different level.

If we're talking feats he hasn't actually done anything that puts him above getting his ass handed to him by the much faster and more powerful Superman.

Thor is also more powerful but he just brawled with Rulk, Trinity Superman would do a hell of a lot more than just brawl. Thor lands a couple of strikes on Rulk and - as per usual with his character - he starts wondering why his foe isn't down.

Superman is a scientist unlike Thor, he analyzes his opponents (down to their personalities) before breaking them down systematically. Rulk goes down.

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Allankles
Thor lands a couple of strikes on Rulk and - as per usual with his character - he starts wondering why his foe isn't down.I agree with this. I didn't much like the fight, but Thor has done the, "Zounds! How come he isn't down?" bit once too often for it to not be a part of his character. Having said that, a full double-handed Mjolnir shot to the face and Rulk didn't even budge. That...

... that was just insane.

SuperiorTech
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I agree with this. I didn't much like the fight, but Thor has done the, "Zounds! How come he isn't down?" bit once too often for it to not be a part of his character. Having said that, a full double-handed Mjolnir shot to the face and Rulk didn't even budge. That...

... that was just insane.

what's insane is it's does not even look like Rulk has been trying in any of these fights looks like most of the time he is just having fun.

Bouboumaster
Rulk tear Sups apart.

CaptainStoic
Superman's more exotic attacks like heat vision may have no effect on a guy that's so hot that he crystalized sand beneath his feat... in fact heat vision may make him more powerful.

Mjolnir conected with the front of Rulks head, and the side of his head, which left Rulk smiling. In Thor's hands the possiblity that Mjolnir can hit harder than Superman while being swung with two hands seems more than logical, and Rulk took this with a smile... he even caught the hammer one handed, before taking the fight to Thor.

Rulk unloaded on Thor as well sending him flying at incredible speeds. Superman would have his hands full will Rulk to say the least, not to mention that Rulk seems to be quite the battle tactician himself, I don't see what Superman's new disposition brings to the table when next week he will be back to his regular boyscoutish persona. Rulk however is a killer.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Allankles
Rulk is too strong! And what is Superman, chopped liver?! Rulk is just another high level brick. He may be a little stronger than WWH and more durable but that doesn't put him on some different level.

If we're talking feats he hasn't actually done anything that puts him above getting his ass handed to him by the much faster and more powerful Superman.

Thor is also more powerful but he just brawled with Rulk, Trinity Superman would do a hell of a lot more than just brawl. Thor lands a couple of strikes on Rulk and - as per usual with his character - he starts wondering why his foe isn't down.

Superman is a scientist unlike Thor, he analyzes his opponents (down to their personalities) before breaking them down systematically. Rulk goes down. WW Hulk would also wrekc Supes imo.

Supes couldnt take Thor's hammer shots to the head like it wasnt anything.

We havent even seen Rulk lose yet. Rulk for the win.

Allankles
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Superman's more exotic attacks like heat vision may have no effect on a guy that's so hot that he crystalized sand beneath his feat... in fact heat vision may make him more powerful.

Mjolnir conected with the front of Rulks head, and the side of his head, which left Rulk smiling. In Thor's hands the possiblity that Mjolnir can hit harder than Superman while being swung with two hands seems more than logical, and Rulk took this with a smile... he even caught the hammer one handed, before taking the fight to Thor.


Crystalizing sand? Are you serious? Superman's heat vision is well in excess of a star in heat energy and has no stated upper limit as of yet. He also has telescopic vision and microscopic vision which give his HV the capacity to expand over an area as large as a planet or be precise to the region of pico, femto, atto metres or less, basically allowing him to perform surgery on bricks like Rulk, if he was so inclined. And I believe a guy like Rulk would force him to consider lobotomy or some similar last resort measure.

Allankles
Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk would also wrekc Supes imo.

Supes couldnt take Thor's hammer shots to the head like it wasnt anything.

We havent even seen Rulk lose yet. Rulk for the win.

If Supes was in a WWH comic maybe, however if it were a major universe event WWH would ultimately get his ass kicked. I always put it this way, if a decent writer who knows the abilities of these two characters wrote the fight, Superman should win. Why settle for the lowest common denominator (simple brawling) when Supes has all other advantages, speed, HV, freeze breath, intelligence, skill and experience.

manx422
superman

iceman24567
Originally posted by Allankles
If Supes was in a WWH comic maybe, however if it were a major universe event WWH would ultimately get his ass kicked. I always put it this way, if a decent writer who knows the abilities of these two characters wrote the fight, Superman should win. Why settle for the lowest common denominator (simple brawling) when Supes has all other advantages, speed, HV, freeze breath, intelligence, skill and experience. I agree Superman should take this easily using his abilities to their fullest.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Allankles
If Supes was in a WWH comic maybe, however if it were a major universe event WWH would ultimately get his ass kicked. I always put it this way, if a decent writer who knows the abilities of these two characters wrote the fight, Superman should win. Why settle for the lowest common denominator (simple brawling) when Supes has all other advantages, speed, HV, freeze breath, intelligence, skill and experience. No one is writing this fight. But for you to give Superman the win over a character that hasnt been beaten on panel seems kinda biased imo.

snyper1982
Originally posted by quanchi112
No one is writing this fight. But for you to give Superman the win over a character that hasnt been beaten on panel seems kinda biased imo.

If batman or spiderman had never been beaten on panel, off panel, IRL, or anywhere else, I would still never, ever, ever give them a win over supes. Ever. It just shouldn't happen, period. At least not logically, which is how you are supposed to debate on this board. Now I don't know much about rulk, except what I have read about him in here, even with that knowledge though, I don't see a way for rulk to ever touch supes, let alone hit him. Supes is orders of magnitude faster, so even at supes very worst, he could stalemate rulk easily by playing keep away...

People VASTLY underestimate speedsters. The fact that this is Trinity supes makes little difference, as on this board we always assume a character fights to their fullest potential unless the OP states the fight is to take place in character. Supes clearly outclasses rulk in powersets. The ONLY thing rulk has an advantage in is possibly strength. As of yet he hasn't even shown that he has that advantage, but I am willing to concede the strength argument. I see no reason why Superman can't beat a brick he has completely outclassed in so many different aspects.

quanchi112
Originally posted by snyper1982
If batman or spiderman had never been beaten on panel, off panel, IRL, or anywhere else, I would still never, ever, ever give them a win over supes. Ever. It just shouldn't happen, period. At least not logically, which is how you are supposed to debate on this board. Now I don't know much about rulk, except what I have read about him in here, even with that knowledge though, I don't see a way for rulk to ever touch supes, let alone hit him. Supes is orders of magnitude faster, so even at supes very worst, he could stalemate rulk easily by playing keep away...

People VASTLY underestimate speedsters. The fact that this is Trinity supes makes little difference, as on this board we always assume a character fights to their fullest potential unless the OP states the fight is to take place in character. Supes clearly outclasses rulk in powersets. The ONLY thing rulk has an advantage in is possibly strength. As of yet he hasn't even shown that he has that advantage, but I am willing to concede the strength argument. I see no reason why Superman can't beat a brick he has completely outclassed in so many different aspects. If Batman or Spiderman had beaten down a a Watcher and Thor youd have a point. no expression

snyper1982
Originally posted by quanchi112
If Batman or Spiderman had beaten down a a Watcher and Thor youd have a point. no expression

I do have a point, just because someone hasn't lost doesn't mean they can beat someone who completely outclasses them in multiple aspects. You make it sound as if superman would be like a slow tuesday for rulk, and I am saying if superman so wishes, rulk would never have a chance to touch him, so how does rulk win? Withstanding a blow from mjolnir is impressive, but standing up to the thousands upon thousands of near FTL punches with class 100 strength behind them, that supes is capable of dishing out is another matter entirely. Punching Uatu seems to be a big case pf PIS and a nice helping of SvFL thrown in for good measure.

If you want to talk about them fighting in character or with PIS or CIS on, that is another story, but straight powerset vs powerset results in rulk getting curbstomped.

quanchi112
Originally posted by snyper1982
I do have a point, just because someone hasn't lost doesn't mean they can beat someone who completely outclasses them in multiple aspects. You make it sound as if superman would be like a slow tuesday for rulk, and I am saying if superman so wishes, rulk would never have a chance to touch him, so how does rulk win? Withstanding a blow from mjolnir is impressive, but standing up to the thousands upon thousands of near FTL punches with class 100 strength behind them, that supes is capable of dishing out is another matter entirely. Punching Uatu seems to be a big case pf PIS and a nice helping of SvFL thrown in for good measure.

If you want to talk about them fighting in character or with PIS or CIS on, that is another story, but straight powerset vs powerset results in rulk getting curbstomped. Rulk has beaten more powerful characters than Supes is the point. he beat them easily. I guess we just disagree.

Allankles
Originally posted by quanchi112
Rulk has beaten more powerful characters than Supes is the point. he beat them easily. I guess we just disagree.

More powerful characters like who? Punching Uatu who was written as nothing but an overized punching bag? A brawling Thor, who landed a couple of strikes and stopped? I don't think you get it at all. If Superman so wishes it, he could focus his HV to pierce Rulk's flesh and perform specialized surgery on him.

Move fast enough to avoid all of Rulk's punches, hell he could just keep his distance and just screw up Rulk's internal organs in flight.

He's fought more dangerous guys and more versatile foes like Subjekt-17 (different story but still), and he toyed with the much faster Ultraman and Superwoman. A good writer wouldn't have Rulk winning, he's just an overrated brawler.

Rulk would get mangled something fierce by this version of Superman. He has too much skill, too much speed, intelligence and he knows how to screw with people like Rulk psychologically as well as physically.

snyper1982
Originally posted by quanchi112
Rulk has beaten more powerful characters than Supes is the point. he beat them easily. I guess we just disagree.

Who has he beat that it isn't clearly a case of CIS or PIS or SvFL?

I will freely admit I am a bit of a superman fanboy, but I have no problem admitting when he will lose. Like to the surfer or thanos for instance. I just don't see what the rulk posses in his powerset that is making all these people believe he would wipe the floor with superman.

Like I stated in my first post, at the very worst, superman could make this a stalemate rather easily by just playing keep away. What can the rulk possibly do to hit clark if he is intent on not lettning the rulk hit him?

I will agree to disagree though, as I am not trying to change your mind or make you like superman, I am just trying to get you to look at this from a logical standpoint.

Allankles
Originally posted by quanchi112
If Batman or Spiderman had beaten down a a Watcher and Thor youd have a point. no expression

What?! How does Uatu getting himself punched by brick prove anything except that Loeb was high when he came up with this plot, or maybe he's just that stupid. Rulk has no place fighting Uatu, the fact that Uatu didn't dismiss him like an insect is an insult to the founding concept of the watchers. They're supposed to be above brawling with one dimensional bricks.

Allankles
Originally posted by quanchi112
No one is writing this fight. But for you to give Superman the win over a character that hasnt been beaten on panel seems kinda biased imo.

A character not getting beaten doesn't mean anything. All it means is that he hasn't yet faced suitable resistance to allow for a loss. Galactus has been beaten does that mean WWH prevails over him? A different kind of example but it just serves to show losing or winning is not a factor in judging a character's actual abilities. If you matched Superman in a full out fight with a Celstial Superman LOSES it's that simple, but in this case Superman has the advantages over WWH.

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Allankles
A character not getting beaten doesn't mean anything. All it means is that he hasn't yet faced suitable resistance to allow for a loss. Galactus has been beaten does that mean WWH prevails over him? A different kind of example but it just serves to show losing or winning is not a factor in judging a character's actual abilities. If you matched Superman in a full out fight with a Celstial Superman LOSES it's that simple, but in this case Superman has the advantages over WWH. Rulk curbstomped Odinforce Thor. And yes. It was a curbstomp. I mean... what does it take for a guy to get some respect around here?

Allankles
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Rulk curbstomped Odinforce Thor. And yes. It was a curbstomp. I mean... what does it take for a guy to get some respect around here?

Fo me it'll take a greater degree of justification. How could you write such a piss poor fight and expect people to give Rulk props? If anything Thor was just down played. Taking nothign away form Rulk's durability which shows he is a rung or two above WWH in that department.

Thor didn't have a plan B, he didn't look like a guy who has been in the wars with all manner of foes, he looked like a rookie. Trinity Superman is no rookie, he says it himself, he had way too much skill for Ultraman and Superwoman and it's precisely because he knows how take people out (long experience does that), knows how they'll react before they do.

He'd analyze Rulk in the same fashion and break him down.

skyfather
rulk stomp

snyper1982
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Rulk curbstomped Odinforce Thor. And yes. It was a curbstomp. I mean... what does it take for a guy to get some respect around here?

Some non SvFL feats maybe?

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk would also wrekc Supes imo.

Supes couldnt take Thor's hammer shots to the head like it wasnt anything.

We havent even seen Rulk lose yet. Rulk for the win. Wrong.

You are right. He would be able to dodge them.

We haven't seen Rulk lose? I GUESS THAT MEANS HE CAN'T! dur

quanchi112
Originally posted by Allankles
What?! How does Uatu getting himself punched by brick prove anything except that Loeb was high when he came up with this plot, or maybe he's just that stupid. Rulk has no place fighting Uatu, the fact that Uatu didn't dismiss him like an insect is an insult to the founding concept of the watchers. They're supposed to be above brawling with one dimensional bricks. So,you ignore the beatdown that Thor received?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Allankles
More powerful characters like who? Punching Uatu who was written as nothing but an overized punching bag? A brawling Thor, who landed a couple of strikes and stopped? I don't think you get it at all. If Superman so wishes it, he could focus his HV to pierce Rulk's flesh and perform specialized surgery on him.

Move fast enough to avoid all of Rulk's punches, hell he could just keep his distance and just screw up Rulk's internal organs in flight.

He's fought more dangerous guys and more versatile foes like Subjekt-17 (different story but still), and he toyed with the much faster Ultraman and Superwoman. A good writer wouldn't have Rulk winning, he's just an overrated brawler.

Rulk would get mangled something fierce by this version of Superman. He has too much skill, too much speed, intelligence and he knows how to screw with people like Rulk psychologically as well as physically. Are you serious? Heat vision.

Lets see how heat vision fared against the Hulk.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/hulkvsgladiator1fit2.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/hulkvsgladiator1hwj4.jpg

Really,I dont see what you are basing your opinion off of. It seems you ignore the Rulk who beats the piss out of everyone basically thrown his way,which has included the Hulk,a Watcher,and Thor.

When has anyone messed with Rulk's internal organs? Where are you getting this from? Supes tried this kind of assault against Doomsday and it didnt work very long against Doomsday.

Again,Rulk hasnt been beaten and Supes barely beat classic Thor.

quanchi112
Originally posted by snyper1982
Who has he beat that it isn't clearly a case of CIS or PIS or SvFL?

I will freely admit I am a bit of a superman fanboy, but I have no problem admitting when he will lose. Like to the surfer or thanos for instance. I just don't see what the rulk posses in his powerset that is making all these people believe he would wipe the floor with superman.

Like I stated in my first post, at the very worst, superman could make this a stalemate rather easily by just playing keep away. What can the rulk possibly do to hit clark if he is intent on not lettning the rulk hit him?

I will agree to disagree though, as I am not trying to change your mind or make you like superman, I am just trying to get you to look at this from a logical standpoint. I guess we just disagree. Check out hunter and prey. Supes tried to avoid Doomsday but he was hit rather quickly.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Wrong.

You are right. He would be able to dodge them.

We haven't seen Rulk lose? I GUESS THAT MEANS HE CAN'T! dur Never said that.


Supes couldnt wreck a Watcher or Thor anywhere close to the manner in which Rulk did. Thats the point. Supes has been beaten up by a lot less than Rulk.

Allankles
Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you serious? Heat vision.

Lets see how heat vision fared against the Hulk.


Really,I dont see what you are basing your opinion off of. It seems you ignore the Rulk who beats the piss out of everyone basically thrown his way,which has included the Hulk,a Watcher,and Thor.

When has anyone messed with Rulk's internal organs? Where are you getting this from? Supes tried this kind of assault against Doomsday and it didnt work very long against Doomsday.

Again,Rulk hasnt been beaten and Supes barely beat classic Thor.

Wow! Superman doesn't have to stand around to get caught by a slow poke like Rulk, he can move at great speed, he can also fly with ease.

Superman isn't Gladiator, he's lobotomized, ended fights with HV surgery. Hell he has disintegrated durable guys with his HV. His HV is so precise that when he used it on Manchester Black, the telepath didn't know he'd been lobotomized (this also ties in with his speed, which he used to take out the Elites). He also used his speed to create a vortex of swirling wind to suffocate the Elites in that comic. When he lets loose Rulk won't know what hit him.

Rulk would have no defense, against Superman's speed and the calculated application of his power set. Trinity Superman is Superman written right, we don't always see Superman using his powerset effectively or uitlilize his scientific know-how against his opponents, when he does he takes out bricks like Rulk.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you serious? Heat vision.

Lets see how heat vision fared against the Hulk.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/hulkvsgladiator1fit2.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/hulkvsgladiator1hwj4.jpg

Really,I dont see what you are basing your opinion off of. It seems you ignore the Rulk who beats the piss out of everyone basically thrown his way,which has included the Hulk,a Watcher,and Thor.

When has anyone messed with Rulk's internal organs? Where are you getting this from? Supes tried this kind of assault against Doomsday and it didnt work very long against Doomsday.

Again,Rulk hasnt been beaten and Supes barely beat classic Thor. ...this is ofcouse assuming that gladiators heat vision was as powerful.

Not all heat beams are the same.

Superman has been shown to has enough energy in his heat beams to push a planet (under a red sun)

quanchi112
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
...this is ofcouse assuming that gladiators heat vision was as powerful.

Not all heat beams are the same.

Superman has been shown to has enough energy in his heat beams to push a planet (under a red sun) Who has Superman killed with heat vision?

Keep in mind this Hulk was much weaker than WW Hulk or Rulk. This weaker Hulk beat the piss out of Gladiator.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Allankles
Wow! Superman doesn't have to stand around to get caught by a slow poke like Rulk, he can move at great speed, he can also fly with ease.

Superman isn't Gladiator, he's lobotomized, ended fights with HV surgery. Hell he has disintegrated durable guys with his HV. His HV is so precise that when he used it on Manchester Black, the telepath didn't know he'd been lobotomized (this also ties in with his speed, which he used to take out the Elites). He also used his speed to create a vortex of swirling wind to suffocate the Elites in that comic. When he lets loose Rulk won't know what hit him.

Rulk would have no defense, against Superman's speed and the calculated application of his power set. Trinity Superman is Superman written right, we don't always see Superman using his powerset effectively or uitlilize his scientific know-how against his opponents, when he does he takes out bricks like Rulk. Thor has many other abilities he can do as well with the hammer. Just saying,he doesnt only hit you in the head with it.
Supes has been caught by many slow pokes. He couldnt even avoid Doomsday who exhibited no superspeed in hunter and prey.

Has Supes beaten anyone with Rulk's impressive list of feats.

It seemed like Superman needed the jla to back him up to beat Konvikt,who just so happens to be a brick.

Allankles
Originally posted by quanchi112
So,you ignore the beatdown that Thor received?

Which beat down? Maybe if Thor wasn't written like a joke, Rulk's win might have had some credibility. I thought Thor was a fairly skilled warrior?

At least if you're going to have Thor engage Rulk in a straight brawl, show that he has some skills. He was getting hit with everything Rulk threw, he wasn't able to navigate himself in space any better than Rulk. I thought he had flight? Just a poor demonstration of Thor's abilities, even if he was just brawling.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Allankles
Which beat down? Maybe if Thor wasn't written like a joke, Rulk's win might have had some credibility. I thought Thor was a fairly skilled warrior?

At least if you're going to have Thor engage Rulk in a straight brawl, show that he has some skills. He was getting hit with everything Rulk threw, he wasn't able to navigate himself in space any better than Rulk. I thought he had flight? Just a poor demonstration of Thor's abilities, even if he was just brawling. So,Thor is a joke now. No,Rulk is a badass. Just because Thor got maimed,that doesnt mean he is a joke. It means Rulk is a badass.

Allankles
Originally posted by quanchi112


Has Supes beaten anyone with Rulk's impressive list of feats.

It seemed like Superman needed the jla to back him up to beat Konvikt,who just so happens to be a brick.

Ultraman? Superwoman? They've killed all manner of top tier super humans (basically almost equivalent to the JLA's rogues gallery)and Supes handled them both. Hell they have more fighting experience than Rulk and Superman proved the more skillful.

As far as Konvikt goes, they figured out how to take him. Furthermore Superman started that fight poorly trying to test Konvikt's strength and getting hit clean on the jaw with Konvkit's best punch. It wasn't much of a one on one brawl after that.

Allankles
Originally posted by quanchi112
So,Thor is a joke now. No,Rulk is a badass. Just because Thor got maimed,that doesnt mean he is a joke. It means Rulk is a badass.

Who said he's a joke? I said Loeb wrote him like a joke, no way you're telling me that's the blue print to Thor. Thor can do better than he did, it was a bs fight. If you know what a fight is, you'd know that fight was bs.

KuRuPT Thanosi
Quan and others shouldn't really use Rulk knocking out the Watcher as proof of anything. Whether on panel or not that was just simply bad writing and proof of nothing. not to mention the fact that the Watcher didn't even put up a fight. That was an example of Loeb having Rulk balls in his mouth and nothing more.

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by Allankles
Wow! Superman doesn't have to stand around to get caught by a slow poke like Rulk, he can move at great speed, he can also fly with ease.

Superman isn't Gladiator, he's lobotomized, ended fights with HV surgery. Hell he has disintegrated durable guys with his HV. His HV is so precise that when he used it on Manchester Black, the telepath didn't know he'd been lobotomized (this also ties in with his speed, which he used to take out the Elites). He also used his speed to create a vortex of swirling wind to suffocate the Elites in that comic. When he lets loose Rulk won't know what hit him.

Rulk would have no defense, against Superman's speed and the calculated application of his power set. Trinity Superman is Superman written right, we don't always see Superman using his powerset effectively or uitlilize his scientific know-how against his opponents, when he does he takes out bricks like Rulk.

Where were all of these exotic moves that you seem to be talking about when Superman was getting shyt stomped by Atlas recently? Atlas is just a brick right?

Atlas violated beat big blue as Lois watched in horror. Rulk would do him the same way.

All of this lobotomization that your talking about, where and when did he do this? It seems so out of character for him to be flying around frying peoples brains... do you have any scans of him doing this?



Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Quan and others shouldn't really use Rulk knocking out the Watcher as proof of anything. Whether on panel or not that was just simply bad writing and proof of nothing. not to mention the fact that the Watcher didn't even put up a fight. That was an example of Loeb having Rulk balls in his mouth and nothing more.

Maybe he couldn't put up a fight, because he was too busy getting tea bagged, and was too hurt to respond to the major ass beating that he was taking. If I got smacked in the head by a bat, I would most likely be too stunned to do anything other than fall out.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Allankles
Ultraman? Superwoman? They've killed all manner of top tier super humans (basically almost equivalent to the JLA's rogues gallery)and Supes handled them both. Hell they have more fighting experience than Rulk and Superman proved the more skillful.

As far as Konvikt goes, they figured out how to take him. Furthermore Superman started that fight poorly trying to test Konvikt's strength and getting hit clean on the jaw with Konvkit's best punch. It wasn't much of a one on one brawl after that. None of these characters that you have named hold a candle to Thor. Rulk pounded Thor into submission.

What does fighting experience have to do with anything? That sure didnt seem to bother Konvikt. laughing out loud

Supes needed help. With the help,they took him out. Not by himself. And Konvikt was just a brick. erm

quanchi112
Originally posted by Allankles
Who said he's a joke? I said Loeb wrote him like a joke, no way you're telling me that's the blue print to Thor. Thor can do better than he did, it was a bs fight. If you know what a fight is, you'd know that fight was bs. Its canon. Your personal feelings on the matter are noted. But,it counts. Rulk beat a more powerful character than Superman like a small child. Rulk beats Supes down.

OneDumbG0
Let's not bring up Atlas. I know he wrecked Superman something fierce... but that kind of prolonged and monumental beatdown has got to have something more behind it. My bet is magic or something.

Allankles
Originally posted by quanchi112
Its canon. Your personal feelings on the matter are noted. But,it counts. Rulk beat a more powerful character than Superman like a small child. Rulk beats Supes down.

The canon status of the event isn't enough to sway my analysis of the writing. I don't really care what Rulk does until Loeb actually writes a credible battle.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Allankles
The canon status of the event isn't enough to sway my analysis of the writing. I don't really care what Rulk does until Loeb actually writes a credible battle. We only can debate about what Loeb has given us. Otherwise, there is no red hulk.

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by quanchi112
Never said that.


Supes couldnt wreck a Watcher or Thor anywhere close to the manner in which Rulk did. Thats the point. Supes has been beaten up by a lot less than Rulk. No, you didn't say that, but you imply it.

You use No-Limits fallacies a bit too much in your argument mate.

You may be right.

But on the other hand Superman wouldn't have trouble with Hulk the way Rulk did either.

Rulk beat down Uatu...Cause Uatu did not fight back. It's not hard to get.

A 90 pound weakling can beat up Mike Tyson is Tyson let him.

Thor brawled with Rulk. In a brawl, Superman WOULD beat Thor.

And Superman has something no one that Rulk fought had.

SPEED.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, you didn't say that, but you imply it.

You use No-Limits fallacies a bit too much in your argument mate.

You may be right.

But on the other hand Superman wouldn't have trouble with Hulk the way Rulk did either.

Rulk beat down Uatu...Cause Uatu did not fight back. It's not hard to get.

A 90 pound weakling can beat up Mike Tyson is Tyson let him.

Thor brawled with Rulk. In a brawl, Superman WOULD beat Thor.

And Superman has something no one that Rulk fought had.

SPEED. I implied that Superman couldnt do it,because he cant.

I am right.

Ok,the watcher feat is because he didnt fight back. I agree.

Not the Thor feat. Superman brawled with Atlas and Konvikt. Supes brawls all the time. I dont know if Supes could beat this new Thor. The old one he could barely beat.

In the scans I showed you earlier,a weaker Hulk beat down Gladiator. Glads has speed,heat vision,etc. Hulk destroyed him. Rulk>>Hulk.

Allankles
Originally posted by quanchi112
I implied that Superman couldnt do it,because he cant.

Not the Thor feat. Superman brawled with Atlas and Konvikt. Supes brawls all the time. I dont know if Supes could beat this new Thor. The old one he could barely beat.



The Atlas fight was by a different wrtiter and a different series. Superman brawled Konvikt to occupy his attention he wasn't doing for the sake of merely fighting, remember he didn't want Konvikt to ruin the city.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Allankles
The Atlas fight was by a different wrtiter and a different series. Superman brawled Konvikt to occupy his attention he wasn't doing for the sake of merely fighting, remember he didn't want Konvikt to ruin the city. The point is two different writers had these behemoths occupying and beating on Supes. Supes didnt beat Konvikt on his own. He needed help.

horrorwolf
Rulk is all over this.

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by quanchi112
I implied that Superman couldnt do it,because he cant.

I am right.

Ok,the watcher feat is because he didnt fight back. I agree.

Not the Thor feat. Superman brawled with Atlas and Konvikt. Supes brawls all the time. I dont know if Supes could beat this new Thor. The old one he could barely beat.

In the scans I showed you earlier,a weaker Hulk beat down Gladiator. Glads has speed,heat vision,etc. Hulk destroyed him. Rulk>>Hulk. No, you implied that since it hasn't happened, it can't happen. Although subtle, it is still a No-Limits fallacy.

Good.

If this Thor went all out, he might beat Superman, might not, I don't know. But, if he trys to brawl like he did against Rulk, he will lose.

Gladiator's power is like getting drunk and taking a girl home with you, ya never know what you're gonna get.

His power is pretty random is my point. Depending on his confidence level it jumps all over the place.

And...Gladiator fought like an idiot.

Standing in arm's length of Hulk firing heatvision to no avail? no expression

Come on. erm

DestinyGuy678
mai npoint of using trinity superman is because he wouldnt brawl against red hulk

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, you implied that since it hasn't happened, it can't happen. Although subtle, it is still a No-Limits fallacy.

Good.

If this Thor went all out, he might beat Superman, might not, I don't know. But, if he trys to brawl like he did against Rulk, he will lose.

Gladiator's power is like getting drunk and taking a girl home with you, ya never know what you're gonna get.

His power is pretty random is my point. Depending on his confidence level it jumps all over the place.

And...Gladiator fought like an idiot.

Standing in arm's length of Hulk firing heatvision to no avail? no expression

Come on. erm

I can agree with you, but the thing is that Superman always gets physical, he always does, and I bet you... yes you Dark-Jaxx that in his next fight with a heavy hitter that he will get physical once again.

It's just the way Superman fights.

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I can agree with you, but the thing is that Superman always gets physical, he always does, and I bet you... yes you Dark-Jaxx that in his next fight with a heavy hitter that he will get physical once again.

It's just the way Superman fights. ...many people are missing the point of using TRINITY superman

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I can agree with you, but the thing is that Superman always gets physical, he always does, and I bet you... yes you Dark-Jaxx that in his next fight with a heavy hitter that he will get physical once again.

It's just the way Superman fights. Of course he would.

But he would be much faster than anyone Rulk has fought.

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Of course he would.

But he would be much faster than anyone Rulk has fought.


Well Gladiator has shown super speed, when he fought Wonder Man, and Masterson Thor for example this speed was portrayed, but speed only gets you so far. Superman always goes toe to toe with his opponents, and his opponents who have been much slower than he is have always managed to tag him. Many have lost, but many weren't able to output the type of power that Rulk wields.

I'll need to see how well Rulk does against Savage Hulk, Ares, She Hulk, The Thing, Ironman, The Human Torch, and possibly Thor.... if they lose... evil face

Dark-Jaxx
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I'll need to see how well Rulk does against Savage Hulk, Ares, She Hulk, The Thing, Ironman, The Human Torch, and possibly Thor.... if they lose... evil face Well most of the people you named are pretty far below Superman so if they lose...Who cares? haermm

CaptainStoic
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Well most of the people you named are pretty far below Superman so if they lose...Who cares? haermm

I know I made a funny, but all of those guys mentioned combined would beat Superman. Let's see what Rulk has for them, I don't really want to overhype Rulk, but he will get his props from me if he pulls this one off.

Dark-Jaxx
Well most would be pure fodder to Superman IMO...

Allankles
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is two different writers had these behemoths occupying and beating on Supes. Supes didnt beat Konvikt on his own. He needed help.

Again, Konvikt was a problem Superman and company weren't willing to dally with, because there were human bystanders. They wanted to put him away definitively without causing unecessary collateral damage, given their circumstance.

A Rulk fight in this instance takes place outside the bounds of the DC setting so there'll be no such constraints. Furthermore Trinity Superman showed what he can do when doesn't have to suffer such constraints when he took on the Criminal Syndicate .

manx422
atlas is magic user
in coming issuses superman takes help of magic too

DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Allankles
Again, Konvikt was a problem Superman and company weren't willing to dally with, because there were human bystanders. They wanted to put him away definitively without causing unecessary collateral damage, given their circumstance.

A Rulk fight in this instance takes place outside the bounds of the DC setting so there'll be no such constraints. Furthermore Trinity Superman showed what he can do when doesn't have to suffer such constraints when he took on the Criminal Syndicate . when superman faught konvict he didnt have the mindsets of batman and wonderwoman

Avlon
OMGZZZ! Rulk beatz teh Washer!

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4702/superman60980cw.th.jpg

happy

snyper1982
Originally posted by quanchi112
I guess we just disagree. Check out hunter and prey. Supes tried to avoid Doomsday but he was hit rather quickly.

Another case of PIS... Anyone not on supes level in speed hitting him is a case of PIS IMO. Especially if they are actually fighting when it happens.

Here is all I am saying, You say rulk will curbstomp supes, and I say why? Give me some valid feats that prove beyond all doubt that he could. Superman can fly and is fast enough to make the rulk a statue to him, so how can the rulk logically hit him if superman is going all out? That is the point of this board, to debate logically. Which you are not. You for some reason cannot accept that because something happens in a comic, doesn't mean that it SHOULD have happened. Like spiderman hitting the silver surfer. Never should have happened. Surfer owns him for the entire fight, and then runs into spideys fist. A clear case of PIS and SvFL, same as rulk beating Thor. Now if they throw some flight and super speed into the mix for rulk, then we have a different story entirely.

snyper1982
Originally posted by quanchi112
I implied that Superman couldnt do it,because he cant.

I am right.

Ok,the watcher feat is because he didnt fight back. I agree.

Not the Thor feat. Superman brawled with Atlas and Konvikt. Supes brawls all the time. I dont know if Supes could beat this new Thor. The old one he could barely beat.

In the scans I showed you earlier,a weaker Hulk beat down Gladiator. Glads has speed,heat vision,etc. Hulk destroyed him. Rulk>>Hulk.

Sorry, but ABC logic doesn't fly around here. I have to wonder at this point are you seriously this much of a fanboy or are you just trolling? Do you even know what PIS, CIS, or SvFL are?

snyper1982
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
...many people are missing the point of using TRINITY superman

Trinity superman on here is pointless... We always assume a character will fight to the best of their abilities. Or we are supposed to, but some people in this thread seem to have forgotten that and want to make Superman fight as if this were in comic and not on the forums.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, you implied that since it hasn't happened, it can't happen. Although subtle, it is still a No-Limits fallacy.

Good.

If this Thor went all out, he might beat Superman, might not, I don't know. But, if he trys to brawl like he did against Rulk, he will lose.

Gladiator's power is like getting drunk and taking a girl home with you, ya never know what you're gonna get.

His power is pretty random is my point. Depending on his confidence level it jumps all over the place.

And...Gladiator fought like an idiot.

Standing in arm's length of Hulk firing heatvision to no avail? no expression

Come on. erm Classic Thor and Superman have already fought. Supes barely won and considered him to be a great opponent. They both brawled. laughing out loud

Gladaitor used his powers,so why are you trying to downplay it. It seems you keep ignoring proof.

How did Gladiator fight like an idiot? Please do tell.

Did you read the fight?

His confidence wasnt an issue in the comic they fought,so why assume it was an issue.

Rulk also beat this Thor force Thor easier than Supes beat classic Thor. Much easier,and they all brawled.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Allankles
Again, Konvikt was a problem Superman and company weren't willing to dally with, because there were human bystanders. They wanted to put him away definitively without causing unecessary collateral damage, given their circumstance.

A Rulk fight in this instance takes place outside the bounds of the DC setting so there'll be no such constraints. Furthermore Trinity Superman showed what he can do when doesn't have to suffer such constraints when he took on the Criminal Syndicate . Huh? WW Hulk also fought on earth,so the same excuse applies. WW Hulk also unlike Konvikt,cared about the human bystanders.

Supes wasnt holding back on WW in issue 219. he didnt destroy even a city and he was sunamped. so,really I dont even get what you are saying.

quanchi112
Originally posted by snyper1982
Another case of PIS... Anyone not on supes level in speed hitting him is a case of PIS IMO. Especially if they are actually fighting when it happens.

Here is all I am saying, You say rulk will curbstomp supes, and I say why? Give me some valid feats that prove beyond all doubt that he could. Superman can fly and is fast enough to make the rulk a statue to him, so how can the rulk logically hit him if superman is going all out? That is the point of this board, to debate logically. Which you are not. You for some reason cannot accept that because something happens in a comic, doesn't mean that it SHOULD have happened. Like spiderman hitting the silver surfer. Never should have happened. Surfer owns him for the entire fight, and then runs into spideys fist. A clear case of PIS and SvFL, same as rulk beating Thor. Now if they throw some flight and super speed into the mix for rulk, then we have a different story entirely. You cant call everyone Supes appearance pis when he doesnt use superspeed. Its in his character to brawl with his opponents.Originally posted by snyper1982
Sorry, but ABC logic doesn't fly around here. I have to wonder at this point are you seriously this much of a fanboy or are you just trolling? Do you even know what PIS, CIS, or SvFL are? I do know what they are. But I dont use excuses for debates. Supes has fought many opponents without speed blitzing. In fact,I think it is safe to say that he uses the speed blitz far less than he uses it.

He might speed blitz Rulk,but will it get him the win. Nope. Rulk has shit all over the Thor who is a virtual equal to Superman. Rulk hasnt even been put down and like I just said,shit on a character who Superman barely beat at classic levels.

snyper1982
Originally posted by quanchi112
You cant call everyone Supes appearance pis when he doesnt use superspeed. Its in his character to brawl with his opponents. I do know what they are. But I dont use excuses for debates. Supes has fought many opponents without speed blitzing. In fact,I think it is safe to say that he uses the speed blitz far less than he uses it.

He might speed blitz Rulk,but will it get him the win. Nope. Rulk has shit all over the Thor who is a virtual equal to Superman. Rulk hasnt even been put down and like I just said,shit on a character who Superman barely beat at classic levels.

That is a PERFECT example of PIS. Superman not speedblitzing EVERY single opponent. He has the powerset to do so, yet doesn't. Why? Because the comic would suck. So they set up the plot so that Superman doesn't use his powers as effectively as he should. Hence PIS. I thought you said you knew what it was? If so, why then, did you give perfect examples of it? It isn't an excuse, it is a fact that superman posses that sort of speed, and for him to not use it when it makes sense, is PIS.

I honestly don't know if Superman could beat rulk or not in a brawl because of rulk's insane healing and durability, but he could easily BFR him.

You also keep talking about Gladiator and Thor, well Superman is not gladiator nor Thor, so you can't assume he could beat Superman because he beat gladiator and Thor.

Also when superman and Thor fought, that's not cannon, so doesn't count in the first place. Secondly, Do you really think DC or Marvel is going to let 2 of their premiers get shit on, as you so eloquently put it, by a rivals character? No.

Regardless, you say rulk can beat Superman, I say prove it via his powerset. I don't believe rulk has the speed to get it done. Next you will be saying rulk can beat the surfer or thanos.

I think the problem here lies in the fact that you don't seem to want to follow the board rules. It is stated we assume that both figth to the best of their abilities unless th OP states otherwise. If he had said this was an in character fight, I would give the rulk a shot, but he didn't so I give him maybe 1 out of 10...

quanchi112
Originally posted by snyper1982
That is a PERFECT example of PIS. Superman not speedblitzing EVERY single opponent. He has the powerset to do so, yet doesn't. Why? Because the comic would suck. So they set up the plot so that Superman doesn't use his powers as effectively as he should. Hence PIS. I thought you said you knew what it was? If so, why then, did you give perfect examples of it? It isn't an excuse, it is a fact that superman posses that sort of speed, and for him to not use it when it makes sense, is PIS.

I honestly don't know if Superman could beat rulk or not in a brawl because of rulk's insane healing and durability, but he could easily BFR him.

You also keep talking about Gladiator and Thor, well Superman is not gladiator nor Thor, so you can't assume he could beat Superman because he beat gladiator and Thor.

Also when superman and Thor fought, that's not cannon, so doesn't count in the first place. Secondly, Do you really think DC or Marvel is going to let 2 of their premiers get shit on, as you so eloquently put it, by a rivals character? No.

Regardless, you say rulk can beat Superman, I say prove it via his powerset. I don't believe rulk has the speed to get it done. Next you will be saying rulk can beat the surfer or thanos.

I think the problem here lies in the fact that you don't seem to want to follow the board rules. It is stated we assume that both figth to the best of their abilities unless th OP states otherwise. If he had said this was an in character fight, I would give the rulk a shot, but he didn't so I give him maybe 1 out of 10... We arent arguing powersets here. Its whats in each of these characters. You havent even proven that he could beat Rulk with a speedblitz. erm Rulk has beaten what many would argue is a much more powerful Thor,than what Superman faced off against. Rulk hasnt been beaten by a top tier. Supes got beat up badly by Konvikt. Who possesses no superspeed. stick out tongue

snyper1982
Originally posted by quanchi112
We arent arguing powersets here. Its whats in each of these characters. You havent even proven that he could beat Rulk with a speedblitz. erm Rulk has beaten what many would argue is a much more powerful Thor,than what Superman faced off against. Rulk hasnt been beaten by a top tier. Supes got beat up badly by Konvikt. Who possesses no superspeed. stick out tongue

I think you need to take a look at the rules buddy... Powersets are exactly what we debate on here unless the OP states otherwise, which he didn't. Let me list just a few of the rules you are breaking...

No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.


Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

quanchi112
Originally posted by snyper1982
I think you need to take a look at the rules buddy... Powersets are exactly what we debate on here unless the OP states otherwise, which he didn't. Let me list just a few of the rules you are breaking...

No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.


Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels. Within the character's personality. Thanks.

Supes tends to brawl with brawlers. erm

snyper1982
Originally posted by quanchi112
Within the character's personality. Thanks.

Supes tends to brawl with brawlers. erm

Oh my god... Whatever. He has speedblitzed many, many opponents. It is well within his character to do so. He doesn't even NEED to speedblitz though because he can dodge anything thrown by the rulk... Again, barring PIS, how does the rulk hit him? Oh thats right, he can't.

quanchi112
Originally posted by snyper1982
Oh my god... Whatever. He has speedblitzed many, many opponents. It is well within his character to do so. He doesn't even NEED to speedblitz though because he can dodge anything thrown by the rulk... Again, barring PIS, how does the rulk hit him? Oh thats right, he can't. Konvikt hit him. That wasnt pis. Atlas hit him. Zod hit him. WW has hit him. Darkseid has hit him. Orion has hit him. Doomsday has hit him. Henshaw has hit him.


Rulk eats top tiers. He will eat Supes.

snyper1982
Originally posted by quanchi112
Konvikt hit him. That wasnt pis. Atlas hit him. Zod hit him. WW has hit him. Darkseid has hit him. Orion has hit him. Doomsday has hit him. Henshaw has hit him.


Rulk eats top tiers. He will eat Supes.

Dude. I am done. I am trying to debate logically and by the rules, and you just can't seem to do that.

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