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Let's say that Morrison wasn't BSing. That Darkseid is the power level of Galactus. Plus he has the ALE. Can he bring down Abraxas?

Abraxas killed many Galactuses.

He wins.

Abraxas

Abraxas

Originally posted by cloud102
Can he bring down Abraxas?
No

Yes, it can control the free will of anything, DS will win.

Originally posted by kevdude
Yes, it can control the free will of anything, DS will win.

Abraxas wins.

Darkseid. Current Darkseid w/ALE=Thanos w/ IG

Originally posted by tsscls
Darkseid. Current Darkseid w/ALE=Thanos w/ IG

In what way?

hmm ...

IG makes you the supreme being (God) of anything below the LT.

mwahaha

Originally posted by Mr Master
In no way.

IG makes you the supreme being (God) of anything below the LT.

Exactly. Thanks, I was starting to wonder if I had missed something there.

And in Dotng darkseid ursurped the source+the new gods powers and gained true godhood as well,DOTNG darkseid=thanos with IG imo.

Darkseid w/ALE is currently reshaping the DCU as he sees fit. He's also proving to be a multiversal threat.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
And in Dotng darkseid ursurped the source+the new gods powers and gained true godhood as well,DOTNG darkseid=thanos with IG imo.

Supes and Orion was giving DOTNG Darkseid a hard time. Thanos took on everyone including all the elders of the universe and Galactus as if they were nothing.

The ALE controls the free will of practically everything. Only beings Spectre level have been shown to resist it.

Originally posted by tsscls
Darkseid w/ALE is currently reshaping the DCU as he sees fit. He's also proving to be a multiversal threat.

All we've seen him do is effect the earth. No one else in the galaxy seems to be effected.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Supes and Orion was giving DOTNG Darkseid a hard time. Thanos took on everyone including all the elders of the universe and Galactus as if they were nothing.
Umm no they werent,supes broke darkseids body apart and orion was using the power darkseid had against him and fulfilling the prophecy set forth that he would defeat his father one day,no one was giving DOTNG trouble except for the brief struggle with the strongest person shown in dc(source)minus god himself.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Umm no they werent,supes broke darkseids body apart and orion was using the power darkseid had against him and fulfilling the prophecy set forth that he would defeat his father one day,no one was giving DOTNG trouble except for the brief struggle with the strongest person shown in dc(source)minus god himself.

He did not display power in that issue anywhere near what Thanos did.

He beat the goddamn Source.........

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
He did not display power in that issue anywhere near what Thanos did.
You mean besides cutting into entirely different realities as a side effect?or how about the anti-life entity who according so someone with the power to end a universe with only a whisper has infinite power and that power was considered completelly nothing compared to the might that darkseid had,darkseid had not only hundreds of thousands of new gods whos powers were amplified 10 times over he also had the powers of the guy who created the new gods+the universe which houses all mortal universes and did so while at a severely diminished state of power,sorry but DOTNG darkseid was at the very least Thanos with ig equal,you seem to be completelly ignorant of who the source is.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
You mean besides cutting into entirely different realities as a side effect?or how about the anti-life entity who according so someone with the power to end a universe with only a whisper has infinite power and that power was considered completelly nothing compared to the might that darkseid had,darkseid had not only hundreds of thousands of new gods whos powers were amplified 10 times over he also had the powers of the guy who created the new gods+the universe which houses all mortal universes and did so while at a severely diminished state of power,sorry but DOTNG darkseid was at the very least Thanos with ig equal.

Okay your going to need to prove those with scans because I think your making allot of things seem more impressive the they are.

Go read it yourself Im not taking the time to post dozens of scans from 3 entirely different series(at the very least to understand the sources power)plus several other supplementary scans about the new gods,death of the new gods and cosmic odyssey will give you a good idea of how strong darkseid was in DOTNG.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Okay your going to need to prove those with scans because I think your making allot of things seem more impressive the they are. Originally posted by Galan007
The ALE/Source amalgam vs. Darkseid, (empowered by the cumulative New God energy):

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds1-1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds2-1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds3-1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds4-1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds5-1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds6-1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds7.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds8.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds9.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds10.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds11.jpg


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We find that the ALE/Source was responsible for the 'return' of Orion:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds12.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/ds13.jpg

Okay, there is an easy way to do this, show me that the DOTNG Darkseid has total mastery over:
1)Soul
2)Mind
3)Space
4)Reality
5)Time
6)Power

And then I will agree with you.

We are supposed to use the most current form of the character, correct? Darkseid is being portrayed as a multiversal monster (according to Grant Morrison) and is on par with Thanos w/ the IG.

Originally posted by tsscls
We are supposed to use the most current form of the character, correct? Darkseid is being portrayed as a multiversal monster (according to Grant Morrison) and is on par with Thanos w/ the IG.

After seeing Grant Morrisons work I'm not willing to take anything he says at face value. I told you the IG gives it's bearer mastery over the 6 categories I listed, prove that the ALE does the same.

And it was my understanding that this Darkseid was equal to Galactus who I would put under Abraxas.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Okay, there is an easy way to do this, show me that the DOTNG Darkseid has total mastery over:
1)Soul
2)Mind
3)Space
4)Reality
5)Time
6)Power

And then I will agree with you.

Soul/Mind Control over heroes/villans making them do his bidding without question.
Space/Reality Fell through the Multiverse collapsing it as he went (according to GM)
Time See above Time is linked to Space.
Power He beat the unified Source.
I'll add an extra one, he has intelligence, cunning and prepartion skills to accomplish all of these tasks. See chess game with Solomon the Monitor.

I'll agree that Darkseid has been a complete ***** over the past several years, but he has regained his spot as the top threat in the DCU in the past several months. Love him or hate him, Darkseid is the man. Thanos should watch his back.

Originally posted by tsscls Soul/Mind Control over heroes/villans making them do his bidding without question.
That's mind and not soul, and there have been people who resisted.


That's space, not reality.


Give proof of that.


And Orion kicked his ass, he did not have COMPLETE mastery over it.

And the 7th gem isn't intelligence, it's Ego.

ORION WAS POWERED BY THE SOURCE AND DESTINED TO KILL HIS FATHER JESUS CHRIST HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS HAVE TO BE SAID,ORION WAS USING DARKSEIDS OWN ENERGY AND THE SOURCES TO MATCH DARKSEID READ THE FREAKING COMIC,are you honestly this dense?darkseid doesnt have to complete control over mind or space when he has enough raw power to obliterate everything.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
ORION WAS POWERED BY THE SOURCE AND DESTINED TO KILL HIS FATHER JESUS CHRIST HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS HAVE TO BE SAID,ORION WAS USING DARKSEIDS OWN ENERGY AND THE SOURCES TO MATCH DARKSEID READ THE FREAKING COMIC.

I did I have it on my comp which is where I go the source pic for my other thread.

But if he had complete mastery over power, then Orion couldn't use it against him. That shows that his mastery was divided, not complete.

And if thanos had limitless power the lt couldnt break the freaking gauntlet apart jesus just stop it already,it was destined to happen most likely by freaking god himself thats why it happened.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
And if thanos had limitless power the lt couldnt break the freaking gauntlet apart jesus

Warlock was able to do that due to his deep connection to the Soul Gem.

What's to stop Abraxas from killing Darkseid before he uses the ALE on him? That equation is loooooonnnnnnggggggg.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
That's mind and not soul, and there have been people who resisted.
who?

That's space, not reality.
Time/Space=Reality


Give proof of that.
Ask Stephen Hawkins


And Orion kicked his ass, he did not have COMPLETE mastery over it.
I was under the impression that this was part of Darkseid's plan.

And the 7th gem isn't intelligence, it's Ego.
Darkseid has the ultimate ego if he's able to control the ALE.

BTW, this is an excellent discussion we're all having here. Points and counterpoints are flowing and there seems to be no ill-will or disrespect. Let's keep this going.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What's to stop Abraxas from killing Darkseid before he uses the ALE on him? That equation is loooooonnnnnnggggggg.
He doesnt have to recite the equation...he just wills it and it happens,whats to stop darkseid erasing abraxas with a hand wave,and aster warlock has nothing to do with the lt being able to split and the gauntlet and make it not work whenever he doesnt want it to.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What's to stop Abraxas from killing Darkseid before he uses the ALE on him? That equation is loooooonnnnnnggggggg.
What's going to stop DS from using the ALE before Abraxas realizes he using it. I was also under the impression that once you knew the ALE, It's effects were instantaneous. I.E. you didn't have to repeat it verbatim everytime ala Johnny Quick and his speed formula.

People who claim Superman and Orion were giving DS trouble in DOTNG are not accurate.

DS was channeling the power of the source, yes the source itself, the only reason DS was stopped was due to Orion who had the same access to the source that DS did.

Orion proved to be the more powerful of the two in combat and in being able to channel the power of the source.

The ALE is from the Anti life entity, which is the other half of the Source itself.

It was after all of this fighting, that the ALE and source combined back into one entity.

Well, the only way to get rid of Abraxas is to erase reality and recreate it.

Soooooooo Abraxas wins.

And the source can easily erase reality.

Darkseid doesn't = the Source.

The antilife is half of the source darkseid is also powerful by himself thesedays,destroying reality will not be a problem,not that they have to anyways since darkseid could just contain abaraxas like how he originally was.

So Darkseid has the full power of the Source and the ALE?

Gee, who can beat Darkseid now?

Currently I think he just has full power over the anti-life(which still makes him a nigh omnipotent preety much)and is shaping things all over the multiverse.

Abraxas is a multiversal level being, right?

He is above galactus and has collapsed realities and it took the complete destruction and remaking of the multiverse to actually kill him for good so yes I suppose,darkseid doesnt really have to kill him though just imprison him.

Originally posted by Mindset
Abraxas is a multiversal level being, right?
Yep.

Originally posted by Mr Master
hmm ...

IG makes you the supreme being (God) of anything below the LT.

mwahaha

That's all fine and dandy but when the IG came from the Big Bang and The Source/GOD was the being that initiated the Big Bang itself then IG would be as nothing compared to The Source. DS still wins

Originally posted by kevdude
That's all fine and dandy but when the IG came from the Big Bang and The Source/GOD was the being that initiated the Big Bang itself then IG would be as nothing compared to The Source. DS still wins What are you talking about? What has the Source done,that proves it could take the ig on?

Originally posted by quanchi112
What are you talking about? What has the Source done,that proves it could take the ig on?

Um let me see it made everything??

Could the ALE for instance control the Endless?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Could the ALE for instance control the Endless?

Now that's a pretty good question, if you are reffering the current anti-life equation.

Morpheus defeated the ALE

I'm refering to the one that Darkseid has for this encounter whether ore not that is the current one I have no idea

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Morpheus defeated the ALE

Ermm .. I wouldn't call that 'defeating the ALE', and certainly not the current ALE.

The ALE is only one aspect of the Source. And still no one has shown that it has the same power as the IG nor that it could effect Abraxas.

Originally posted by kevdude

That's all fine and dandy but when the IG came from the Big Bang and The Source/GOD was the being that initiated the Big Bang itself then IG would be as nothing compared to The Source. DS still wins
I never knew the Source created Marvel, I'm hoping that's not what you meant.

But I have some info for ya too,
the IG was not created by any Big Bang.

The Infinity gems were created as a separate creation by the Infinity Being,
the IB is the real initiator of the original Big Bang in Marvel, not the Source.

Originally posted by kevdude
Um let me see it made everything?? Again,what has it done that proves it could defeat the ig?

Well it did defeat a multiverse threat.

IG defeated in one move the infinite Multiversal power of the prime Actuality.

That's easily the stupidest, and most emo equation I've ever seen...and I've had Calculus II, so I'm qualified to judge such things.

Originally posted by Enyalus
That's easily the stupidest, and most emo equation I've ever seen...and I've had Calculus II, so I'm qualified to judge such things. and now that you've read it, you are under my control. evillaugh

Originally posted by Galan007
and now that you've read it, you are under my control. evillaugh

"What is thy will, my master?"