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Can he bring the Celestial down?

Easily.

Originally posted by cloud102
Can he bring the Celestial down?

No.

With the ALE? Easily.

Arishem

Nothing short of the IG/HOTI/Beyonder has shown to bring down a celestial.

And according to the recent series, Celestials can't be destroyed

Arishem FTW

Good to see ya buddy

Can you really take away a Celestials will to live?

Originally posted by guy222
And according to the recent series, Celestials can't be destroyed

Arishem FTW

Good to see ya buddy
Good to be seen my friend..
Whats your take on the Giants this weekend?

They are playing my Rams

Rams are lousy

Yea they got spanked by the Philly, badly..
Philly and Dallas should be good.

Dallas can apply the pressure on McNabb

Dallas should win

Originally posted by Enyalus
No.

Arishem wins. Ale is overrated imo.

We've seen it destroy the Source wall, control Promethian giants, challenge the Source itself, and more.

It's IG level. Red Orion wins.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
We've seen it destroy the Source wall, control Promethian giants, challenge the Source itself, and more.

It's IG level. Red Orion wins. The source was split. Thats when it challenged the source. The Source also hasnt shown anything near ig levels. Featwise and abilities of ig>Source.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The source was split. Thats when it challenged the source. The Source also hasnt shown anything near ig levels. Featwise and abilities of ig>Source.
You can't gauge the power of The Source.
It's immeasurable.

ALE gets spoken in Revelations 2.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
You can't gauge the power of The Source.
It's immeasurable. And? That doesnt mean jack in marvel. Cube beings have infinite power but that doesnt mean jack. Ig by feats and abilities is greater than the Source imo.

Anything living, it can pretty much take over.

Originally posted by cloud102
Anything living, it can pretty much take over. Mxy?

Source has beaten Spectre. Spectre>>IG.

Depends on how strong Spectre was at the time.

Hal Jordan Spectre. When he was tapping the Logos.

Hal Jordan brings the Spectre down to shit level

lulz. He was one of the stronger incarnations. He lost power later on, but when he was using the logos, he was stronger than Corrigan.

Logos? What do you mean?

Read the Spectre respect thread. The Logos is deeply related to the heart of Spectre's power. It's a connection to the will of the Presence.

the Ale has been retcon to many times but at it's better versions of the ALE Orion takes it.

I can seen Arishem beating the weaker concept of the ALE which have been resisted before.

Arishem FTW.

Orion w/ALE will win, and The Source > IG many times over anyone who thinks different needs there head examined!

Originally posted by kevdude
Orion w/ALE will win, and The Source > IG many times over anyone who thinks different needs there head examined!

I have an appointment tomorrow.

Arishem wins.

Originally posted by tkitna
I have an appointment tomorrow.

Arishem wins.

I'm sure you do, when Arishem has ever been a threat to Eternity or the LT or anyone on that power level let me know (actually beyond even that but you get the picture).

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Source has beaten Spectre. Spectre>>IG. That just proves that the Source can defeat the Spectre not ig. Ig could defeat them both imo.

Originally posted by kevdude
Orion w/ALE will win, and The Source > IG many times over anyone who thinks different needs there head examined! Based on what?

What did Orion do with the ALE?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Spectre>>IG.
Originally posted by kevdude

The Source > IG
How are you fellas coming to this conclusion?

In other words, based on what?

Originally posted by Mr Master
How are you fellas coming to this conclusion?

In other words, based on what?

Based on BS, basically. based on feats the IG trumps them both.

the power of the infinity being created all life in marvel (according to several accounts) putting it most certainly on equal footing with the source.

it's also merged mainstream marvel with a COMPLETELY different continuity (the ultraverse) which the power of the source has yet to even come close to matching on panel.

speculation is a different story- we could speculate how powerful the true power of the source is all day long, but on panel the IG has it. period.

The ALE should take control of a Celestial. I see no reason that it wouldn't. It's already taken control of a Promethean, the essential equivalent at DC, and in Final Crisis: Revelations 2 both the Radiant and current Spectre seem unable to resist it's power.

We've seen the power of the Source overwhelm Spectre. We've seen it wreck universal havoc.

the Source is an aspect of the Presence. the source created the old gods, and the new. Not to mention creating all super powers and pantheons in the DCU.

the Worlogog is a mere fragment of it.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
We've seen the power of the Source overwhelm Spectre. We've seen it wreck universal havoc.

the Source is an aspect of the Presence. the source created the old gods, and the new. Not to mention creating all super powers and pantheons in the DCU.

the Worlogog is a mere fragment of it. You still havent given one good reason why the Source is greater than the ig. You have only stated that it can overcome and overwhelm the Spectre which the ig could do as well.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
What did Orion do with the ALE?

He rolled it into a joint and smoked it.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
He rolled it into a joint and smoked it. I think Orion takes this Celestials are so overrated.

Originally posted by iceman24567
I think Orion takes this Celestials are so overrated. Why dont you answer bran's question?

Originally posted by Mr Master
How are you fellas coming to this conclusion?

In other words, based on what?

It knows whats going to happen in the future, it made everything and everything springs forth from it as its The Source/God (Jehovah). IG's/Nemesis's power comes from the Big Bang, it is not the God, the closets we can understand Nemesis, its real name is Invidia in Roman mythology & Phthonus in Greek mythology..

Originally posted by kevdude
It knows whats going to happen in the future, it made everything and everything springs forth from it as its The Source/God (Jehovah). IG's/Nemesis's power comes from the Big Bang, it is not the God, the closets we can understand Nemesis, its real name is Invidia in Roman mythology & Phthonus in Greek mythology.. ... So?

Originally posted by kevdude
It knows whats going to happen in the future, it made everything and everything springs forth from it as its The Source/God (Jehovah). IG's/Nemesis's power comes from the Big Bang, it is not the God, the closets we can understand Nemesis, its real name is Invidia in Roman mythology & Phthonus in Greek mythology..
God damn, he just ask you to prove why you think the source is superior to the IG. straight up dodge. http://smilies.vidahost.com/cwm/kodama/07.gif You can always response with scans to back up your words. Oh wait theres none to prove Source > IG.

Originally posted by kevdude

It knows whats going to happen in the future
So does the IG, past/present & future simultaneously.
Originally posted by kevdude

it made everything
IG can do that too.
Originally posted by kevdude

and everything springs forth from it as its The Source/God (Jehovah).
Everything stems nowadays from 616 Eternity,
IG replaced Eternity effortlessly.

Oh, and the being who's power was placed within the Infinity gems,
originally created Eternity and every extra Marvel contained.
Originally posted by kevdude

IG's/Nemesis's power comes from the Big Bang, it is not the God
False.

No one or thing or energy source created Nemesis,
Nemesis always was, yes as in God! ... and, it was all there was! yes, like God!
In fact, every other form of existence was part of its sentience, like God!
this is why the Infinity Being was lonely.

The IG was created by the Infinity Being (Nemesis)
in order to imbue its power & consciousness into them, (all seven gems)
so that it could have a way to exist in the next infinite creation (Marvel) it created.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why dont you answer bran's question? Why dont you I was never asked anything at all do you target me or something I'm spoken for Quan but I have enough room in my heart for one more

Originally posted by iceman24567
Why dont you I was never asked anything at all do you target me or something I'm spoken for Quan but I have enough room in my heart for one more You gave Orion the win here. What is that based on?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You gave Orion the win here. What is that based on? It's based on my knowledge of the Ale and Orion. I also think Celestials are so overrated its sickening.

Originally posted by iceman24567
It's based on my knowledge of the Ale and Orion. I also think Celestials are so overrated its sickening. I didnt think the ale was that impressive in Orion's hands. He told Darkseid to kill himself and he didnt.

Good for you i still think Orion wins i could careless what you find impressive it doesn't change my opinion sorry to be so blunt but you always ask the same questions "Why?" as if the answer leads to anything besides you disagreeing anyways.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Good for you i still think Orion wins i could careless what you find impressive it doesn't change my opinion sorry to be so blunt but you always ask the same questions "Why?" as if the answer leads to anything besides you disagreeing anyways. My point is that the ale has done nothing to even suggest it could take out a Celestial. it failed to take out Darkseid. But,yes I guess we just disagree.

when orion had the ALE he was one of the most powerful being in the multiverse. He bend a promethean giant to his will.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didnt think the ale was that impressive in Orion's hands. He told Darkseid to kill himself and he didnt.

Are you talking about what you posted w/scans over at herochat?? If you are its pretty clear the Black Racer stepped in and didn't allow DS to die. Telling half the story again?

Originally posted by guy222
Dallas can apply the pressure on McNabb

Dallas should win
I knew Dallas and Philly was gonna be kick ass

Originally posted by kevdude
Are you talking about what you posted w/scans over at herochat?? If you are its pretty clear the Black Racer stepped in and didn't allow DS to die. Telling half the story again? When did Miracle overturn the command to have Ds kill himself on panel?

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did Miracle overturn the command to have Ds kill himself on panel?

Miracle never overturned anything when Orion told him to kill him in the other scans, they aren't even part of the same story....

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
the source created the old gods, and the new. Not to mention creating all super powers and pantheons in the DCU. i wouldn't say the source gave "all" the metahumans in DC their powers. you see, there are some anomalies whose powers have nothing to do with the source. the shade is a prime example of such an anomaly.