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One Emperor. Eight fighters.

Said eight fighters stood around the DOATEC wrestling ring as they warily watched their opponent.

Dressed in his white-and-red kickboxing trunks Sagat slowly circled the ring three times. Then he walks over to the middle of the ring, drops to his knees and bows three times.

Jann Lee nudges Zack. "What the hell is he doing?"

"He's performing the wai khru muay ram, the dance of Muay Thai," Zack replies. "The dance is used to show respect to the teachers and the trainers. Also, in the past Muay Thai was usually fought in front of the king, so the dance was also to apologize to the King for the brutality in fighting."

"And the bowing?" Ayane asked.

"In reverence to both God and man," the self-styled Muay Thai fighter explained. "Now he is doing the Ram Muay. It's series of simple movements which demonstrates the prowess and fighting skills."

His dance finished, Sagat moves to his corner. The fight is about to begin.

The match is simple. Sagat has to fight through eight DOA fighters. Should he win his match, he starts off back at 100 percent.

The fighters are:

1. Zack
2. Jann Lee
3. Ayane
4. Hayate
5. Bass Armstrong
6. Kasumi
7. Christie
8. Ryu Hayabusa

Sagat wins by taking off his eye-patch, thus releasing all of his stored up power thousand-fold.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Sagat wins by taking off his eye-patch, thus releasing all of his stored up power thousand-fold.

I was unaware he could do that. This is Sagat as in Street Fighter right?

Hayabusa is the only one who has a chance, but not in his DOA mode.

Sagat breaks everyone of them.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
I was unaware he could do that. This is Sagat as in Street Fighter right?

He actually got that from Bleach. He was joking!

Sagat does look eerily like a bald Kenpachi. mmm

But anyway, I think Ayane probably beats him I guess...What feats does Sagat actually have?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Sagat does look eerily like a bald Kenpachi. mmm

But anyway, I think Ayane probably beats him I guess...What feats does Sagat actually have?

1. National hero in Thailand.

2. Became the 'Emperor of Muay Thai' at age 15 by defeating Nuah Kahn.

3. Can hold his breath underwater for 20 minutes.

4. High pain threshold (having survived a Dark Hadou-powered Shoryuken)

5. First of two Thai kickboxers in videogame history.

6. All-around badass mofo.

Originally posted by Snafu the Great
1. National hero in Thailand.

2. Became the 'Emperor of Muay Thai' at age 15 by defeating Nuah Kahn.

3. Can hold his breath underwater for 20 minutes.

4. High pain threshold (having survived a Dark Hadou-powered Shoryuken)

5. First of two Thai kickboxers in videogame history.

6. All-around badass mofo. Kay.

Like I said loses to Ayane based on that.

The list seems out of order. Christie has no business being place as high as she is. Neither does Bass for that matter.

He could very well get stopped at number 1 Snafu's lineup. Zack's durability is rediculous.
Originally posted by Snafu the Great

1. Christie
2. Bass Armstrong
3. Jann Lee
4. Hayate
5. Zack
6. Ayane
7. Hayabusa
8. Kasumi
In the revised version(no offence to you intended Snafu), Sagat may stop at 3 depending on how much weight you put on DOA4 Jann Lee vs the T-rex.

Oh, and yes. I did put Hayate below Zack. Hayate is only above Jann Lee because of the teleport and he beat Hayabusa once.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hayabusa is the only one who has a chance, but not in his DOA mode.

Sagat breaks everyone of them.
The only people Sagat could "break" are Christie and probably Bass. He could beat some of the others, but not "break" them.

I'm not completely sure of where'd he'd stop right now to be honest. I'd estimate Zack at most, but I'd like to hear some of the arguments from Sagat fans.

...Hayabusa below Kasumi?

Originally posted by Snafu the Great

1. Zack
2. Jann Lee
3. Ayane
4. Hayate
5. Bass Armstrong
6. Kasumi
7. Christie
8. Ryu Hayabusa

1. Sagat 8/10
2. Sagat 7/10
3. IMO it is split 5/10
4. Sagat 6-7/10
5. Sagat 9/10
6. Kasumi 6/10
7. Sagat 9/10
8. Hayabusa 7-8/10

Ayane and Hayabusa are the only ones that would probably beat Sagat.

Zack how is Kasumi stronger than Ayane?

She is faster and is more effective with her teleportation and she can fire chi/ki with a smaller charge time than Ayane.

Which is why I give her an extra win since Ayane's most destructive attack requires her to charge it which would grant Sagat a window to punish and KO Ayane.

It is not because I think Kasumi > Ayane.

Well you're a lesbian.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
...Hayabusa below Kasumi?
Without his weapons, yes. She's arguably faster, has the most combat ready ninpo, and the best teleport of any DOA ninja. Her's isn't limited to defensive use and doesn't need hand signs like some of Hayabusa's. There's a reason DOATEC wanted to clone her so badly.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Zack how is Kasumi stronger than Ayane?
Pretty much the same reasons Kasumi gets a slight nod over Hayabusa. Ayane obviously has more raw power, but Kasumi edges her out in those key areas I mentioned above.

Keep in mind, the difference in the ninja(except Hayate who sucks), is razor thin. For example, Ayane and Kasumi have beaten each other once. The same for goes for Kasumi and Hayabusa depending on how you interpret DOA1. In a fight against each other, it'd be pretty much a 5/10 split for any of the DOA Big Three.

However, Kasumi would be a harder fight in a bout with no weapons for other combatants, like Sagat, compared to her DOA peers. That's why I placed her higher. It's not necessarily saying she'd beat Ayane or Hayabusa for a majority.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Zack how is Kasumi stronger than Ayane?

He's not, he just needs someone to argue with.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Without his weapons, yes. She's arguably faster, has the most combat ready ninpo, and the best teleport of any DOA ninja. Her's isn't limited to defensive use and doesn't need hand signs like some of Hayabusa's. There's a reason DOATEC wanted to clone her so badly. Hayabusa has survived blasts that blew off the top of a mountain as of NG2.

He is faster IMO, just going by the gameplay.

The Tengu, who was creating storms across the world and shit, was EASILY defeated by Ryu.

He is far more experienced.

There is a reason Ryu is called the "superninja".

Originally posted by Wil7
He's not, he just needs someone to argue with.

Right...

superdur

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Hayabusa has survived blasts that blew off the top of a mountain as of NG2.

True. However Kasumi doesn't have her solo game to display feats like that. Too bad Itagaki quit Tecmo. I was really looking forward to the Kasumi/Ayane action game.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

He is faster IMO, just going by the gameplay.

No he is not.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

The Tengu, who was creating storms across the world and shit, was EASILY defeated by Ryu.

The Tengu was filled with arrogance towards his own race, and considered humans to be nothing. Hayabusa was dead serious about his mission and proceeded to lay the smackdown.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

He is far more experienced.

I agree, but as of DOA4 Kasumi is not a noob. Not by a long shot.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

There is a reason Ryu is called the "superninja".

Yeah. We still don't know the actual reason though. durfist

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Right...

superdur Superdur pwns all.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Hayabusa has survived blasts that blew off the top of a mountain as of NG2.

He is faster IMO, just going by the gameplay.

The Tengu, who was creating storms across the world and shit, was EASILY defeated by Ryu.

He is far more experienced.

There is a reason Ryu is called the "superninja".
Never said she was more durable, however she did fall from a skyscraper while fighting Alpha-152.

Kasumi moves fast enough to turn into a beam of light. She is faster than Hayabusa.

We don't know how easily it was accomplished. However, the only meteorological phenomenon Tengu can use in battle was a small whirlwind. That is avoidable by all the ninja, even Hayate though.

Experience doesn't really amount to much once both fighters get to a certain level. Ask Hayate.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Never said she was more durable, however she did fall from a skyscraper while fighting Alpha-152.

Kasumi moves faster enough to turn into a beam of light.

We don't know how easily it ws accomplished. However, the only meteorological phenomenon Tengu can use in battle was a small whirlwind. That is avoidable by all the ninja, even Hayate though.

Experience doesn't really amount to much once both fighter get to a certain level. Ask Hayate. Which is not even half of Ryu's durability feat, and he has done similar in NG.

2. ...Kay. That's just an animation effect/art style, not a solid indication of lightspeed, and besides, Ryu Hayabusa does similar.

3. Was it not stated he easily beat Tengu?

4. Hayate is a joke and deserves death for even existing.

But honestly, Ryu deals with beings on a much greater level than anything Ayane or Kasumi does.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Which is not even half of Ryu's durability feat, and he has done similar in NG.

2. ...Kay. That's just an animation effect/art style, not a solid indication of lightspeed, and besides, Ryu Hayabusa does similar.

3. Was it not stated he easily beat Tengu?

4. Hayate is a joke and deserves death for even existing.

But honestly, Ryu deals with beings on a much greater level than anything Ayane or Kasumi does.
As pointed out, Kasumi, does not have a solo title. Naturally, Ryu has more "omg" feats.

2. He doesn't materialize as light though. Even without that, going by DOA4, Kasumi still outspeeds him.

3. No.

4. Agreed.

Hayabusa does indeed does that.....with powerful weapons and other items in his solo title. Take that away and you get a guy who is quite in Kasumi's league.

Heck, without weapons, Hayabusa lost to Hayate. Both Kasumi and Ayane have yet to lose to Hayate.

Originally posted by StyleTime
As pointed out, Kasumi, does not a solo title. Naturally, Ryu has more "omg" feats.

2. He doesn't materialize as light though. Even without that, going by DOA4, Kasumi still outspeeds him.

3. No.

4. Agreed.

Hayabusa does indeed does that.....with powerful weapons and other items in his solo title. Take that away and you get a guy who is quite in Kasumi's league. 1. And better feats.

2. So? Not a speed feat, and that is CLEARLY a jutsu. How? Based on what out of curiosity?

3. Still a victory above any of Kasumi's IMO...Kasumi's only boss victory was with Raidou.

4. I joygasmed when Raidou pwned him with his own move.

What "powerful weapons?" Only the TDS or the Blade of the Archfiend would really count as powerful weapons. The Dragon Sword...Well all that is is a really sharp sword. He still has to use his speed and strength when fighting. He fights beings that destroy a military battallion in one move and beings that cover cities with storms. And his jutsu, well since he aquired those before DOA, why can't he use them?

and you forget one thing, much like his SF counterpart, Ryu has Hadoukens. 131

Kasumi's teleportation will render most of Hayabusa's chi/magic attacks useless, as will Hayabusa's.

We're talking hand to hand no weapons involved right?

Yeah.

But by feats...Ryu's durability is enough to tank any of Kasumi's ninpo, at least any I have seen.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. And better feats.

2. So? Not a speed feat, and that is CLEARLY a jutsu. How? Based on what out of curiosity?

3. Still a victory above any of Kasumi's IMO...Kasumi's only boss victory was with Raidou.

4. I joygasmed when Raidou pwned him with his own move.

What "powerful weapons?" Only the TDS or the Blade of the Archfiend would really count as powerful weapons. The Dragon Sword...Well all that is is a really sharp sword. He still has to use his speed and strength when fighting. He fights beings that destroy a military battallion in one move and beings that cover cities with storms. And his jutsu, well since he aquired those before DOA, why can't he use them?

and you forget one thing, much like his SF counterpart, Ryu has Hadoukens. 131
1. Better feats with weapons.

2. That's not a jutsu. This isn't naruto and Kasumi doesn't cast anything. She straight up runs at you, turns into light, and goes through you. Even without the light run, when you said "going by gameplay" that pretty much killed Hayabusa. Kasumi factually moves faster in the game. I can show you if you'd like.

3. It's not above Raidou. All of Tengu's powerful attacks can be negated through teleports. It's the one things DOA ninja have that set them apart from many other combatants in a fight. I'd bank on Raidou being a harder fight since he can also teleport and copy attacks.

You just mentioned some of the powerful weapons. He can use his ninpo. It won't matter, as each one will whiff when Kasumi teleports...then attacks him.

Oh. Zack Fair. I just realized who you were. What's up man? Been too long.

I have lost interest in this debate as of now.

But that's fvckin cold man, you remember him, but not me?

What can I say Jaxx?

I'm just that damned good.

Yeah it has been a while. Good to know you are still around.

What are your thoughts on Itagaki leaving Tecmo?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I have lost interest in this debate as of now.

But that's fvckin cold man, you remember him, but not me?
Bah, you're old news.

No, I remember you. It's just that I've seen you around way more. I thought Zack had like...died or something.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
What can I say Jaxx?

I'm just that damned good.

Yeah it has been a while. Good to know you are still around.

What are your thoughts on Itagaki leaving Tecmo?
I'm suprised, yet anxious. Tecmo stated that they do plan on continuing DOA in some form. It will be interesting seeing the game under a new creative director. Hopefully, the fans can get what we want and finally see a Kasumi/Ayane game, a game not all about the ninja, and improved fighting mechanics. I personally really like the idea of expanding the universe beyond just the DOA tournament. Especially if it's not just Hayabusa who gets his own game.

That's all just wishful thinking though. However, I did see an article where the new Tecmo hinted that DOA as a fighting game will be no more.

As for Itagaki, I hope he finds something better. Tecmo did screw him over it seems.

In the spirit of bumping somewhat aged DOA threads, I pose a question.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
1. Sagat 8/10
2. Sagat 7/10
3. IMO it is split 5/10
4. Sagat 6-7/10
5. Sagat 9/10
6. Kasumi 6/10
7. Sagat 9/10
8. Hayabusa 7-8/10
What exactly is Sagat's offensive output? I noticed you give a large majority to him over Zack. The reason I was undecided on this fight, is because of Zack's insane durability. He survived Zack Island exploding, fell off the Tri-Tower flat on his face and still fought Bayman, was eaten by a large shark, and had a jetpack propel him from the sky to the ground....on his face at high speeds. The only event that slightly dazed him was Zack Island exploding.

I had a hard time determining a victor between the two myself. However, I don't know every single one of Sagat's feats, so I'm asking someone who knows more about it.

He has manly scars and an eyepatch, with bg muscular arms and chest.

Isn't that enough?

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Sagat wins by taking off his eye-patch, thus releasing all of his stored up power thousand-fold.

Or maybe even a sharingan....also destroying them all.

No... it's his bankai.

No it isn't you noob.

Sagat doesn't know his Zanpakuto's name, he just has immense amounts of Spiritual Pressure.

I didn't say it was Kenny's bankai, you foolish fool of a fool.

Even if he had a bankai it wouldn't involve taking off his eye patch.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
I didn't say it was Kenny's bankai, you foolish fool of a fool.

Even if he had a bankai it wouldn't involve taking off his eye patch. Kenny doesn't have a Bankai either, you silly little nilly.

It would involve ripping the skin off his scar.

... I didn't say he had a bankai.

"I didn't say it was Kenny's bankai"

You just said Kenny had a bankai. Noob.

No I didn't, douche' bag. I said Sagat had a bankai.

You said that you didn't say it was Kenny's bankai, which is saying that Kenny has a bankai, but that is not the one you were talking about.

Frooble.

No it doesn't.

Improper grammar ftl.

That's what Burning Thought said.

Ouch, dude that hurt.

We know Sagat's stronger than Ryu, goin by that alone he would clear this but do to lack of feats he might go down at Ayane...maybe. He definitely looses to Hayabusa tho, Sagat should have more feats in SFIV.

Is Sagat stronger than SF3 Ryu? Because he was indeed superior to SF1 Ryu, but Mr. Shin Shoryuken has come a long way since.

Yeah, all those long, hard years of training, honing his skills, and never having sex gotta make you super tuff.

Since KMC goes by shown feats and only shown feats, Sagat would lose to Kasumi and Hayate, let alone Hayabusa.

Has anyone git any videos of any of the DOA guys fighting (cutscene) so I can get a good idea compared to Sagat.

Youtube -> "Hayabusa DOA4 ending"

"Hayate DOA4 ending"

"Helena DOA4 ending" (shows Hayate, Ayane, Kasumi and Hayabusa fighting)

"Ayane DOA4 ending" (shows the same Hayate and Ayane sequence above but in more detail)

"Bayman DOA4 ending" (shows what the attack Ayane did in her own ending caused)

That should start you off good.

Cheers.