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it's the original human torch, but without the torch. just his fighting skills. vs the punisher, but with no guns. just his fists.

who wins? oh, and no environmental interference and what not.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk239/pedroAKApaco/_Punisher_.jpg
VS.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/jimh.jpg

oh, and torch is a fighter:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/wca083-04.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/wca083-05.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/wca083-06.jpg


http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/humantorch38pg03.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/10.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/11.jpg

frank

Frank.

Frank

not say i'm doubting castle,not at all,but maybe some examples of h2h prowess? without guns/weapons?


torch is a adept street fighter.i think it's due to the fact that he is sythetic, and possibly modeled to be peak human.he's also had training from steve rogers, but he always exhibited exceptional fighting
prowess, even beforehand.he's fought namor h2h(of course with his flame on though), and namor is an excellent h2h fighter with more years of experience than many a human can claim to have.makes me wonder, where exactly did he amass this skill? i think the my peak human thoery is the most likely explanation, but i've never seen it stated.i know jim is more durable than a human though, he's said so himself.he has this way of suffering "superficial" wounds that don't really stop him,but make him seem more human i guess.

i guess i forgot to put "explain" on my first post. i usually always put that.

Originally posted by namorsubby
oh, and torch is a fighter:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/wca083-04.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/wca083-05.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/wca083-06.jpg


http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/humantorch38pg03.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/10.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/11.jpg i thought that first one was pretty good.effortlessly taking a group of armed thugs h2h.dodging point blank gunfire.

and the one where he casually subdues the guy with the knife, even though he has been affected by the gas.


here he takes out two guys, both with guns and both closely surrounding him:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/MarvelMystery23p09.jpg

here he is KOing another armed man.this time he was on the ground disorientated from gas when the guy stepped in, but he still manages to one-shot him before he shot him.lol
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/09-1.jpg

here he KOs two men with one fist:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/HumanTorch_10_pg12.jpg


here he make's wonder man's head turn with a hook, although he was flaming, that doesn't affect his striking power:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/AvengersInvanders-008.jpg

Punisher.
He can hold his own against Daredevil in h2h if I am not mistaken.
Plus he is a trained soldier.

Punisher

Originally posted by comicfan11
Punisher.
He can hold his own against Daredevil in h2h if I am not mistaken.
Plus he is a trained soldier. jim is trained too.......by captain america.

here's what he did to thena, the immortal eternal, with a jab:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/HeroesForHire12p23.jpg

her powers include:

Superhuman speed, strength, durability, and healing
Energy blasts
Flight
Illusion generation
Matter transmutation
Mind control
Telekinesis
Telepathy
Teleportation

he's super-durable:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/HeroesForHire12p21.jpg

Originally posted by namorsubby
jim is trained too.......by captain america.

here's what he did to thena, the immortal eternal, with a jab:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/HeroesForHire12p23.jpg

her powers include:

Superhuman speed, strength, durability, and healing
Energy blasts
Flight
Illusion generation
Matter transmutation
Mind control
Telekinesis
Telepathy
Teleportation

he's super-durable:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/HeroesForHire12p21.jpg

That wasn't a jab. That was some sort of of hook/uppercut combination. This punch was WAY more powerful than a jab. Just saying.

Anyway. Everything I've seen of Jim still doesn't put him on the hand-to-hand skill level that Frank is on. That's not saying anything bad about Jim, just that Frank is better.

i haven't ever seen any great feats from castle just h2h. like with no guns or anything.

hooking thena and wonder man were pretty impressive IMO.especially when you don't have super-strength.i just think torch stands a chance because he's super durable and a pretty forrmiddable fighter in his own. frank may be a better fighter, but torch could last and last.i don't know if the skill gap can compesate for or superceed jim's super-durability and apparent peak human-ness.is it really that large?

visited frank's thread. i saw cap beat him with a degenerative disease. i saw barracuda rough him up(he did put up a fight and he was hurt beforehand).

most impressive thing was probably the fight with DD.but things like beating up army commandos and punk kids are so within jim's range. in fact, i think i posted a scan of him whooping an army official and a police officer simultaneously, both with guns.