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Is Tolken's world bigger then George Lucas's Universe?

I've read most of Tolkien's work and once knew it backwards and forwards. I have to say that his world his neither as big as Star Wars, nor are there as many pieces of it as Star Wars (movies, novels, games, comics, visual guides etc.).

if not bigger but is it better ?

Originally posted by coolmovies
if not bigger but is it better ?

Better? It's a rather subjective idea. Certainly from a literary standpoint Tolkien's world is considered to be a masterpiece of writing. Star Wars on the other hand is meant to be "fun."

Yes- without a doubt. It has several functioning languages, a time scale similar to Star Wars and is a classic of English literature.

The elven languages were all formulated by a specialist in linguistics- the star wars languages come from racial stereotypes. And lets not forget KotOR alien language: Mucha chappa paka. The only phrase EVER that remains the same in 25 languages that arose from different species.

Tolkien's world spans from the creation of the universe through four 'Ages,' each lasting thousands of years. There are approx. 12000 years of recorded history, with the Fourth age being excluded because of its unknown length. The appocolypse is included in LotR mythology, so Lord of the Rings can be said to include the entire lifetime of the universe. Star wars has nearly twice this number. Recorded history starts with the Sith Species and continues to some 100 years post RotJ. Star Wars may have the larger timeline, but Lord of the Rings has a more inclusive one.

Tolkien's work is a pillar of Western literature, with cultural ramifications similar to those of The Odyssey or Beowulf. He revolutionized the Fantasy genre, incorporated Nordic and Slavic myths into his work, and maintains influence generations after his death. Today, almost all fantasy novels or movies have an 'orc equivalent' be it stereotypical Russians (the Golden Compass film) or Kull, Christopher Paolini's direct copy of the Uruk Hai. The cute 'Keebler elf' or fairy has been left behind, Elves in most modern fantasy stories are neither cute nor cuddly- they are tall, stern, graceful creatures with infinite lifespans. This is a reflection on the totality of Tolkien's work's (and therefore the underlying Nordic Myths) absorption into the cultural subconscious.




It may not be bigger, in terms of published work, as he was one author publishing without the aid of film franchises or merchandising, but it is undeniably richer and more thought out.

Originally posted by Jbill311
Yes- without a doubt. It has several functioning languages, a time scale similar to Star Wars and is a classic of English literature.

The elven languages were all formulated by a specialist in linguistics- the star wars languages come from racial stereotypes. And lets not forget KotOR alien language: Mucha chappa paka. The only phrase EVER that remains the same in 25 languages that arose from different species.

Tolkien's world spans from the creation of the universe through four 'Ages,' each lasting thousands of years. There are approx. 12000 years of recorded history, with the Fourth age being excluded because of its unknown length. The appocolypse is included in LotR mythology, so Lord of the Rings can be said to include the entire lifetime of the universe. Star wars has nearly twice this number. Recorded history starts with the Sith Species and continues to some 100 years post RotJ. Star Wars may have the larger timeline, but Lord of the Rings has a more inclusive one.

Tolkien's work is a pillar of Western literature, with cultural ramifications similar to those of The Odyssey or Beowulf. He revolutionized the Fantasy genre, incorporated Nordic and Slavic myths into his work, and maintains influence generations after his death. Today, almost all fantasy novels or movies have an 'orc equivalent' be it stereotypical Russians (the Golden Compass film) or Kull, Christopher Paolini's direct copy of the Uruk Hai. The cute 'Keebler elf' or fairy has been left behind, Elves in most modern fantasy stories are neither cute nor cuddly- they are tall, stern, graceful creatures with infinite lifespans. This is a reflection on the totality of Tolkien's work's (and therefore the underlying Nordic Myths) absorption into the cultural subconscious.




It may not be bigger, in terms of published work, as he was one author publishing without the aid of film franchises or merchandising, but it is undeniably richer and more thought out. 36 000 years, actually. But yeah, definitely richer. I'd take any Tolkien book with me to a desert island (especially the Silmarillion) before a Star Wars novel and I'd take a Jackosn film before a Star Wars one.

Not bigger perahps, but better I say. LOTR is a masterpiece of literature, and while I like star wars, especially as something entertaining, LOTR is in another level for me.

when it comes down to better it's ones own opinion. LOTR is sweet. i've only read the hobbit, fellowship,two towers, and ROTK though.

what are the other books?

there are quite a few...

Unfinished tales

The tolkien reader

The silmarilion

The hobbit n the lord of the rings...

I don't even know if I have named them all, these are just ones that I have read.

Children of Hurin was good too.

Originally posted by Tangible God
36 000 years, actually. But yeah, definitely richer. I'd take any Tolkien book with me to a desert island (especially the Silmarillion) before a Star Wars novel and I'd take a Jackosn film before a Star Wars one.

You, sir, are about as high as a kite. George Lucas > Peter Jackson by a long ass mile. Maybe not in directing... but storytelling? He doesn't even register.

You mean GL's black and white story telling?

Though actually LotR is equally black and white...

cept for Gollum.

Originally posted by Gideon
You, sir, are about as high as a kite. George Lucas > Peter Jackson by a long ass mile. Maybe not in directing... but storytelling? He doesn't even register. Bah! Opinions and preferences. I judge a movie on the basis of how often I can watch it without becoming sick of it. I can watch a LotR film twice in a row, but a Star Wars I have to limit to once every several months.

Originally posted by Tangible God
I can watch a LotR film twice in a row,

That's no smal lfeat considering they're all over 3 freakin' hours.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
That's no smal lfeat considering they're all over 3 freakin' hours. Which gives me plenty of time to forget about the beginning and make me go back and watch.

Originally posted by Gideon
You, sir, are about as high as a kite. George Lucas > Peter Jackson by a long ass mile. Maybe not in directing... but storytelling? He doesn't even register.
It's definitely a mile with Jackson in the lead if you add dialogue.

Originally posted by Gideon
You, sir, are about as high as a kite. George Lucas > Peter Jackson by a long ass mile. Maybe not in directing... but storytelling? He doesn't even register.

And you sir, are ignoring the issue. We don't care about the ineptidude of Peter Jackson. He left out the Scouring of the Shire, and has since been darned to heck. JRR Tolkien >>>>>>>>>>>> George Lucas. The Flanneled one has nothing on the maker of Gandalf.

I always found Gandalf to be boring. Cool, but still boring.

I always liked Boromir. Imo he symbolized men better then any of the others.

My personal favorite is Tom Bombadil, or maybe Faramir.

Bombadil bugged me. I could ovelook a lot of trivial nuisances, but I found his whole part to be rather useless.

Boromir was awesome.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
I always found Gandalf to be boring. Cool, but still boring.

I always liked Boromir. Imo he symbolized men better then any of the others. QUOTED FOR FRICKIN TRUTH.

But yeah, Tolkien's work is definately richer and more thought out than SW. In terms of Literature quality, it is far superior IMO.

I love Boromir.

He was way cooler than Faramir, imo.

But alas... I see why he had to die.

Originally posted by Jbill311
And you sir, are ignoring the issue. We don't care about the ineptidude of Peter Jackson. He left out the Scouring of the Shire, and has since been darned to heck. JRR Tolkien >>>>>>>>>>>> George Lucas. The Flanneled one has nothing on the maker of Gandalf.

I, actually, wasn't a big fan of LotR. Lightsnake hurts me to this day about it.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
I love Boromir.

He was way cooler than Faramir, imo.

But alas... I see why he had to die. 'Tis true.

The only good thing Faramir has ever done is become inspiration for this.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/Aloywas/mordor_rock.jpg

And funny thing is it was also inspired by a quote for Boromir, they just used Faramir's body for whatever reason.

Dude. That's Boromir.

http://www.freewebs.com/lotrobsessions/Boromir.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e114/knightfalll/ninjawizards.gif

yeah, i agree that i love star wars because of the idea, because what i can imagine when it comes to that universe, but as far as what is ACTUALLY THERE? Star Wars stories often end pathetically, dialogue is stupid, plots are never very thick. Yeah, actual content, LOTR all the way.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
'Tis true.

The only good thing Faramir has ever done is become inspiration for this.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/Aloywas/mordor_rock.jpg

And funny thing is it was also inspired by a quote for Boromir, they just used Faramir's body for whatever reason. I scrolled down slowly and all I saw was the "One does not simply," I didn't give it another thought. Scroll down a moment later and LMFAO! Saving that one.

youtube "how Lord of the Rings should have ended" pretty funny stuff right there.

Saruman the White > Count Dooku

Enough said.

So star wars comes second and Lotr first

Did a mod really delete my post here? lol I thought it was funny.

Originally posted by truejedi
youtube "how Lord of the Rings should have ended" pretty funny stuff right there. I've watched all those "How It Should Have Ended" videos, those guys are quite creative. Their take on Beowulf is currently my favourite.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Dude. That's Boromir.

http://www.freewebs.com/lotrobsessions/Boromir.jpg No it isn't.

Boromir never wore that outfit for one, and was never at that place, which is the battleground Frodo, Gollum, and the stupid fat Hobbit stumbled upon and were held captive at.

Although, both do look quite similar.

Originally posted by sweersa
Did a mod really delete my post here? lol I thought it was funny.

What post? I missed it.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No it isn't.

Boromir never wore that outfit for one, and was never at that place, which is the battleground Frodo, Gollum, and the stupid fat Hobbit stumbled upon and were held captive at.

Although, both do look quite similar.

Yes it is, yes he did and yes he was- scene was fully filmed, is on the TTT Special Edition. It was actually a surprise it was not in the theatrical release, as it was rather important.

It's Boromir.

(They really don't look THAT similar, btw...)

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yes it is, yes he did and yes he was- scene was fully filmed, is on the TTT Special Edition. The what?

Special Edition of The Two Towers, detailing his celebreation after re-taking Osgiliath, why he was sent to Rivendell instead of Faramir, and why Faramir acted like such an ass in TTT- absent of that scene, Faramir's story is sadly butchered.

Oh.

Well fvck you Blax.

Boromir successfully defended Osgiliath from the first attacks by Mordor- part of Faramir's motivation to attempt the defense against the Witch King's army.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Oh.

Well fvck you Blax.

haha. Douche'.

And yes when I fist saw that scene with my sister we were just like "... that would have made the movie make so much more sense!"

That and it puts Boromir in a much less ******* light.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
What post? I missed it.

I basically said LOTR is only good becuase of the PT.

..what?

The OT is shit. I think you're confused. In reality:

The OT is only "okay" (at best), because of the PT.

lol wut pt? if you mean 1, 2 and 3, thats all thats in lotr.

darth vader and obi-wan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything in LOTR trilogy

fail.

And Vader's also gay.

So. *shrug*

^fail.^

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f122/blaxican_templar/funny-1.gif

^fail^

yes, I love my cock.
http://forums.filefront.com/attachments/spam-forum/64307d1213470027-de-motivational-posters-62906d1207103995-dumbest-protester-ever-redundancy.jpg

http://www.themadhat.com/images/vader-fail.jpg

aug I think thats the second time you've used that one too. Either that or its getting too common. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/26/92902477_9eec03aa09.jpg

And I have that one in my photobucket.

I seriously doubt there is anyone here who has a greater plethora of fail/owned/motivational pictures than me.

http://www.fivefourteen.net/motivational-posters/fail%2002.jpg

http://blog.advoor.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/why-bother.jpg
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Acsuperman/Demotivational.png
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p241/palcich/custom.jpg

Win.

It took you 20 minutes to post that.

Thus,

http://samuelpablo.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/epic_fail.jpg

i had to eat dinner

For some things, there's no excuse.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/lenihanfighter/Demotivational%20posters/20ToLife.jpg

Not for that shit.

http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/demotivational-posters-life-is-good.jpg

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/lenihanfighter/Demotivational%20posters/20ToLife.jpg That is just wrong.


And a tiny bit funny. Tee hee.

You know you want it tangible

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2442/demotivationalposters3yx8.jpg

surrender, blaxican! http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/wteach/demotivational/surrender.jpg

Ok ok, are there any more posts on topic to be made?

yes.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
..what?

The OT is shit. I think you're confused. In reality:

The OT is only "okay" (at best), because of the PT.

What are you talking about?

you. OT is a codename so we can talk about you right in front of your nose, insulting you and laughing. PT is the codename for your mom.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
you. OT is a codename so we can talk about you right in front of your nose, insulting you and laughing. PT is the codename for your mom.

Reported.

lol?

I was just kidding dude... Lighten up.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
I was just kidding dude... Lighten up.

Hahaha. I was kidding man.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone's a 'kidder'!

I am right? No?

So how about that incredibly detailed and rich universe created by Tolkien and its comparisons with Star Wars?

how about you rate my pic? http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m295/accabekim/jailbate.jpg

10.13/10

Extra Credit pts. for Win.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/lenihanfighter/Demotivational%20posters/20ToLife.jpg

the chinese government would produce documents confirming the girl was old enough to participate in the contested activity. Doesn't matter if the whole IOC tried to arrest you!

People who spam C-Boxes are people who are unfunny themselves.

Originally posted by truejedi
the chinese government would produce documents confirming the girl was old enough to participate in the contested activity. Doesn't matter if the whole IOC tried to arrest you!

Don't worry.

We .. um I mean, I heard she was buried some where.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
how about you rate my pic? http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m295/accabekim/jailbate.jpg

Made of Huffy and win.

Star Wars is more for having fun. Ive watched the movies countless times and can still be excited by them.

The Lord of the Rings is a richer and more mature world, and its purpose is to shed light on the the natural beauty of our own world.

The Star Wars universe is no doubt larger, if we take the EU into account. You could fill a library with all that material. Literally.

The Lord of the Rings has a more meaningful universe though, every part contributes to the whole. Different places in Middle Earth each have powerful and unique feelings to them.

Overall I really cant say which is better. They are both great achievements of mankind.......500 years from now, people arent going to be reading pseudo intellectual crap from Ayn Rand. People are going to be watching Star Wars or reading LOTR because they actually enrich our lives and make them more meaningful.

Ok Im done, feel free to return to what you were discussing before.

So as I was saying about Great Vengence' Mom...

Ok, thread is obviously now useless. Closed.