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Did you know who Celeste Morne is? Well, I had just read Dark Times Vector and she actually puts a decent fight against, guess who, Darth Vader himself! Well, she loses in the end that's right, but the true is that Vader himself asks her to join him, to be his apprentice. Now that's something. For more info see Star Wars Dark Times Vector.

Damn straight. Hopefully this silences the Revan and Nihilus haters.

Originally posted by Darth Angel
Did you know who Celeste Morne is? Well, I had just read Dark Times Vector and she actually puts a decent fight against, guess who, Darth Vader himself! Well, she loses in the end that's right, but the true is that Vader himself asks her to join him, to be his apprentice. Now that's something. For more info see Star Wars Dark Times Vector. Decent fight? Vader was TOYING with her the entire time and could have easily slaughtered her at any moment.

If this was nihilus, then vader would have gotten f*cked.

@Enyalus

I am no nihilus hater, considering that i am going to replay kotor 2 with the nihilus robes i downloaded from kotorfilefront(meaning you play or look like nihilus when you are teh exile).

Originally posted by Darth Angel
Did you know who Celeste Morne is? Well, I had just read Dark Times Vector and she actually puts a decent fight against, guess who, Darth Vader himself! Well, she loses in the end that's right, but the true is that Vader himself asks her to join him, to be his apprentice. Now that's something. For more info see Star Wars Dark Times Vector.

I wouldn't call the fight decent. She didn't put up much of a fight.

WTF? KOTOR knight against darth vader? what kind of crap is that?

Am I the only one getting a little sick of people living for so freaking long in Star Wars?

seriously? what happens? they live a long time? vader goes back in time? its a nightmare? it better be a vader nightmare. if its any kind of freaking time travel i'm done treating star wars logically. in my opinion, it means the death of the vs. forum. Anybody can beat anybody, just have them travel back in time and see what happens!

That would suck.

But no, Celeste is cryogenically frozen in a tube or something, and Vader awakens her in 19 BBY. Imagine Mel Gibson in Forever Young. Somehow she lives until 123 ABY.

Honestly, Star Wars is getting steadily more and more ridiculous.

Celeste was trapped in an ancient Sith amulet that...I dunno how she gets out. But yeah. She's trapped in there by Zayne Carrick, unwittingly.

Originally posted by Tangible God
That would suck.

But no, Celeste is cryogenically frozen in a tube or something, and Vader awakens her in 19 BBY. Imagine Mel Gibson in Forever Young. Somehow she lives until 123 ABY.

Honestly, Star Wars is getting steadily more and more ridiculous.

very true. I try to ignore the too ridiculous. Its being engineered to kids more and more i think, (more comic books than ever, the T rated TFU, more cartoons) and the older i get, the only thing i can pretty much stand anymore are the novels. which in and of themselves are struggling for orginal plotlines. There are only so many ways to fall to the dark side, and only so many ways to kill lots of people once you do it.

Well, I would say it was a decent fight since she actually force pushes vader down (something rarely seen by lesser force users), proceds then in deflecting several blaster bolts from storm troopers and kills some of them and then even cuts in half the casquet vader sent against her, and then she continues to the lightsaber battle for some more panels in the next issue until vader finally disarms her, well that's more then many people have ever did against vader. Also the fact that vader asks her to be his apprentice is quite something I say.

Originally posted by Darth Angel
Well, I would say it was a decent fight since she actually force pushes vader down (something rarely seen by lesser force users), proceds then in deflecting several blaster bolts from storm troopers and kills some of them and then even cuts in half the casquet vader sent against her, and then she continues to the lightsaber battle for some more panels in the next issue until vader finally disarms her, well that's more then many people have ever did against vader. Also the fact that vader asks her to be his apprentice is quite something I say. Did you actually pay any attention? I said vader toyed with her the same way he toyed with luke in TESB.

Wow so just because she force pushs darth vader(when he underestimated her, not wanting to kill her, was toying with her and not taking her seriously), she is an l33t ub3r jedi knight.

Hey guess what? Luke in TESB fought against vader far longer than her, i guess he is a saber god, galen manages to collapse two massive pillars on vader, i guess he is another force god that takes a dump on nihilus and sidious, hell even boba fett was able to fight and survive vaders wrath far longer than celeste, i guess he is some jedi/sith ass raper.

Why are you fellating this jedi so much, the fact that she "force pushed" vader that it actually means anything special? Any jedi and get effected by the force when they don't put up a defence or get caught off guard.

I am not fellating no one, neither I said she could win against Vader, I am just trying to make a comparison between the jedi knights of the old republic and the the PT and OT ones, basicly trying to show (at least according to these issues) that KOTOR knights in general are pretty much at the same level as the PT ones.

By the way, Galen is a force beast, Luke Skywalker is Luke Skywalker, and Boba Fett is like the best bounty hunter even from SW mythos, so that are not that good examples.

Lol, incidental truth made you fail.

And Celeste used a giant Force wave on about 12 stormtroopers, so she can't be that bad. Plus she creamed Luke Uber-God Skywalker with pitiful ease.

Just Sayin'

Originally posted by Darth Angel
I am not fellating no one, neither I said she could win against Vader, I am just trying to make a comparison between the jedi knights of the old republic and the the PT and OT ones, basicly trying to show (at least according to these issues) that KOTOR knights in general are pretty much at the same level as the PT ones.
No, your clearly wrong as lucas referred the PT jedi as "the prime of the jedi", meaning PT jedi > kotor.

Originally posted by Darth Angel

By the way, Galen is a force beast, Luke Skywalker is Luke Skywalker, and Boba Fett is like the best bounty hunter even from SW mythos, so that are not that good examples. Right, galen is barely a notch above vader, And TESB neophyte luke skywalker is a weakling and boba fett is a non force sensitive that vader could have easily crushed.

The very fact that you don't know why luke survived against vader(because of circumstances, that vader DID NOT want to kill luke, that vader wanted to TURN luke, the fact that vader DID NOT go all out with the force) just shows to me how damn ignorant you are.

Luke managed to scratch vader BECAUSE vader UNDERESTIMATED luke and DID NOT want to kill luke.

The very same way that celeste morne managed to "push" vader.

Hell i already made it clear that any force user can get a hit on a superior force user when they don't throw up a damn resistance or when they underestimate their opponent.

Get it in your thick skull and shut up. Celeste isn't uber, she isn't as powerful as the PT jedi and just damn well live with it.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Lol, incidental truth made you fail.

And Celeste used a giant Force wave on about 12 stormtroopers, so she can't be that bad. Plus she creamed Luke Uber-God Skywalker with pitiful ease.

Just Sayin' Wow, she forced wave 12 stormtroopers, it means she > vader and she > luke.

Vader was able to suspend 10 wild animals and simultaneously break all their necks at once with relative ease.

Any jedi with some experience can force push mere non sensitives.

But was he talking about the average jedi or the strongest ones? Because I think what lucas mean was that PT jedi were the prime of jedi because we have jedis as good as yoda, windu, anakin, obi-wan, etc living in the same time period, not because the average jedi from PT was better then the average jedi from other times.

About the rest of the post, I think you are taking it too personally, because I think no one here is implying that celeste could beat vader even in her best day. However, when we see her fight and displays of the force against vader and his troops comparing, for example, with the 8 jedis who tried to ambush vader and were, let's say, owned, then I say that a KOTOR jedi can't be that far from a PT jedi.

Originally posted by Darth Angel
But was he talking about the average jedi or the strongest ones? Because I think what lucas mean was that PT jedi were the prime of jedi because we have jedis as good as yoda, windu, anakin, obi-wan, etc living in the same time period, not because the average jedi from PT was better then the average jedi from other times.
The whole order. The kotor era jedi had their own fairshare of badasses.

Revan, malak, exar kun, ulic...

Originally posted by Darth Angel

About the rest of the post, I think you are taking it too personally, because I think no one here is implying that celeste could beat vader even in her best day. However, when we see her fight and displays of the force against vader an his troops comparing, for example, with the 8 jedis who tried to ambush vader and were, let's say, owned, then I say that a KOTOR jedi can't be that far from a PT jedi. I don't take it personally, i just get frustrated when people don't read and "listen" when the justifications are so obvious.
I don't have anything against you.

The whole reason why the 4 out of 7 jedi got "owned" by vader is simply because vader took them seriously and wanted to kill and cause havoc, was he like that when he fought celeste? Hell no.

He was toying her and underestimating her which allowed her to seize his momentary weakness and get a force push on him, the same way luke seized vaders momentary weakness and get a gash on his shoulder blade, one moment of weakness does not undo badassness.

Personally i don't see the kotor era jedi as weak or THAT far off from the pt jedi, but to try to use celeste as an example to justify an entire old era jedi order that it is nearly as powerful as the PT jedi is just pathetic and absurd.

Celeste was an extraction specialist used by The Covenant. She was trained exclusively by them, meaning that a lot "normal" Jedi training would have been left out. That said, she still managed to do well against part of the 501st legion and Darth Vader when compared against other PT era Knights (see the Conclave on Kessel for more information).

She also easily beats a circa ESB Luke Skywalker. She ain't shabby. And she ain't close to the best of the KOTOR era.

Originally posted by Darth Angel
Well, I would say it was a decent fight since she actually force pushes vader down (something rarely seen by lesser force users), proceds then in deflecting several blaster bolts from storm troopers and kills some of them and then even cuts in half the casquet vader sent against her, and then she continues to the lightsaber battle for some more panels in the next issue until vader finally disarms her, well that's more then many people have ever did against vader. Also the fact that vader asks her to be his apprentice is quite something I say.

I never saw her push vader i only saw her push his troops. No way that could be called a decent duel when you know Vader was never even remotely in danger of losing.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
boba fett was able to fight and survive vaders wrath far longer than celeste, i guess he is some jedi/sith ass raper. B-but he is. 131

actually this story arc wasn't all that unbelievable. She is frozen in a sith coffin and the force keeps her alive along with an evil all powerful sith amulet.

There are 2 issues about her fight against vader. See the first one.

Originally posted by Darth Angel
There are 2 issues about her fight against vader. See the first one.

I will gladly attempt to find the other one if you provide me with the name.

Originally posted by Darth Angel
There are 2 issues about her fight against vader. See the first one. It doesn't change the fact that vader could have easily killed her, had he wanted to.

http://rapidshare.com/files/118728611/Star_Wars_-_Dark_Times_011__2008___greengiant-DCP_.cbr

http://rapidshare.com/files/125042824/Star_Wars_-_Dark_Times_012__2008___greengiant-DCP_.cbr

Here are the 2 issues.

Originally posted by Tangible God
That would suck.

But no, Celeste is cryogenically frozen in a tube or something, and Vader awakens her in 19 BBY. Imagine Mel Gibson in Forever Young. Somehow she lives until 123 ABY.

Honestly, Star Wars is getting steadily more and more ridiculous.
It became ridiculous when a neyophyte Padawan cut through three of Grievous' Elite Guard who have been known to kill KNIGHTS

Originally posted by Darth Angel
http://rapidshare.com/files/118728611/Star_Wars_-_Dark_Times_011__2008___greengiant-DCP_.cbr

http://rapidshare.com/files/125042824/Star_Wars_-_Dark_Times_012__2008___greengiant-DCP_.cbr

Here are the 2 issues.

Thanks man i honestly do appreciate finding the comic. Anyways i can see that i was wrong in the force push part and i will concede my force push point ,nevertheless her force push did come when vader told her that he did not wish to harm her so he was more vulnerable then a combat ready vader.

No prob

And I wasn't implying that she was better then vader or anything, just that he wasn't that bad against him.

Originally posted by Darth Angel
No prob

And I wasn't implying that she was better then vader or anything, just that he wasn't that bad against him.


no worries you made it clear that you didn't think she could beat vader (without saying it) but i thought she did as bad as she could have done without having the match end in 5 seconds but anyways this is a more appropiate for the versus forum and again thanks for the comics (they're hard to come by where i live).

Originally posted by Darth Angel
No prob

And I wasn't implying that she was better then vader or anything, just that he wasn't that bad against him. She would have been bad if vader wanted to kill her.

Isn't the Muur Talisman...increasing her power and all?

Vader was probably freaked out by the artist's creepy rendition of her, that's why he hesitated. I mean seriously, she looked downright weird in her arc with Zayne and co.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Isn't the Muur Talisman...increasing her power and all?

I haven't read the issues (I don't read Vector), but in KOTOR she was only able to use its power because it made her tap into the Dark Side. When she fights Vader and the stormtroopers, I'm pretty sure she's back to a nice little Jedi. (And then later transforms the stormtroopers when she knows she can't win.)

Someone feel free to correct me.

Star wars has its own newspaper?

Comics.

'Nice little Jedi?' She's ruthless, vicious and not stable.