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Week 2 Battlefield: Kahndaq (DC)

Battle Duration: Monday, September 22nd @ 10am thru Friday, September 26th @ 12am)

Combatants: Digi Vs. Kfish

Judges: Jason, Citizen V, Newjak

Good luck to the combatants.

Fielded Team-

Amalgam- Taskmaster, Sabretooth, Jean Grey.
Jarvis
Amalgam- Electro and Abom.

Prep area- Stark Tower.

After the initial Amalgamations, Taskertooth Grey will access the Stark tower computers (using Jarvis' access) and find all records of Digimark team members, including video footage.

Now, Taskmaster was able to perform actions in double speed after watching video playback at double speed, but could only perform like this for near a minute, as he was moving twice as fast as the human body should realistically be able to, so would break all of his bones or fall unconscious.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6771/marvelcomicstaskmaster004198cb.jpg
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6417/marvelcomicstaskmaster004206qe.jpg

Thats fighting a guy who was fast enough to catch bullets (Tasky kills him in that last scan, as a page later his boss says how hard it'll be to replace him)

After being amalgamated with Sabretooth, Taskmasters durability is far far far greater than that of a normal human being. Now, Sabretooth normal reaction times, agility and speed is already superhuman (at least as fast as bullet time Taskmaster). So Tasky is automatically performing movements on that level. Now, if he references his material in at least 4X speed, he can double this again.

And due to Sabretooth insane healing factor, he could perform at this new double superhuman rate indefinatly.

After finding as many sources as he can about each of Digimark team, Taskertooth Grey know can predict their moves before they make them.

Meanwhile, using Jean Grey telepathy, he transfer the combined fighting/tactical knowledge of both him and Sabretooth to both Jarvis and Electromination. This means the entire team knows the moves Digimark team are going to use before they do.

Meanwhile, Electromination is supercharging himself by draining most of NYC of power, minus Stark Tower as it still requires energy for the PC.

Normally, Electro body can store huge amounts of electricity, but is still limited by the fact he is still flesh and blood and his durability isn't that high (but is still superhuman).

Now, whilst amalgamated with Abomination he does not have the problem. Meaning if he slips and loses concentration, the hgue amount of electricity he contains (being supercharged now) will not go haywire and KO him (thats how Spidy/X-man defeated him last time he was supercharged)

Also, Abom cells act like battery (as shown in most being affected by gamma rays). This means Electro can store far more electricity than normal without negative effects.

For the battle Taskertooth will be using Taskmaster sword, guns (2 pistols), bow and arrow, standard shield and energy weapon thing

Now, Electromination will ionize most of Taskertooth Grey weaponry (swords, guns, bow and arrow and his metal shield) along with Sabretooths adamantium skeleton. By creating it own magnetic fields now, the weaponry/skeleton will not be affected by any magnetic field Iron Man creates to disarm them (ala New Avengers).

This also makes Taskertooth far more deadly up close, as if the mechanized members of Digimark team are not EMP shielding, their armour would shortcircuit when the magnetic field comes into contact with their circuitry.

Now, in the remaining time, Taskertooth uses the energy weapon to cover both himself and his teammates in energy webbing as shielding, to protect from energy and physical attacks, before heating this 'webbing' further with bursts of electricity from Electromination.

Meanwhile, Jarvis gathers his shotgun, and The Casket Of Ancient Winters (in his possession).

Then, using Jean telepathy Taskertooth Grey psi-shields the team from mental attack and psi-cloaks them, making them effectivly invisible.

The battle-

I am assuming upfront that Digimark is going to amalgamate anyone w/o EMP protection with someone who does. Otherwise, this match is over very quickly.

Deaths Head 2 has protection from electromagnetic flux within his vital organs and major circuitry, but not on features such as his weapons. Unless amalgamed with Iron Man, Deaths Head loses his major offensive abilities, and effectivly becomes a healing brick.

Now, I will also guess, Digimark preps Iron Man to resist the affects of magnetizing his armour, and the same for his team mates.

If not, Iron Man fails very quickly, as shown in New Avengers (vs the Collective), without prep time to change his armour properties, he can be pulled apart without much effort.

The same goes for any other mechanized teammates.

There is also a chance Digimark uses a Hulkbuster suit to combat Abom. The same principals apply as above, except the Hulkbuster suits have never been as advanced as the standard suits, as they have been adapted to be purely bricks in order to fight Hulk.

Now, I also guess Digimark uses Sinister to psi-shield his teammates, other wise a mind rape puts everyone but Sinister down in the opening minutes. Due to Jean Psi-shielding the rest of my team, a similar tactic can't be used by Digimark.

Now, in combat, my team knows most of the other team moves inside out (due to Tasky video watching/skill sharing in prep), and defiantly all of Iron Man moves (Tasky has a 2-0 record over Tony).

Any attempt to engage my team physically doesn't end well for Digimark team. If you engage Taskertooth Grey, you're fighting an opponent with Spiderman level agility and speed and strength.(due to amped speed/double amped speed), bullseye level accuracy, the combined combat skills of Cap, Wolverine, Sabretooth, Daredevil, Spiderman, Black Panther and many others, who is heavily armed and has adamantium weaponry that can rend straight through your armour. And this guy can heal from basically anything and has insane durability. Not only all of that, but can counter your moves before you even make them.

On the other front, if you try to engage Electromination, you're facing a class 200 brick who can take and produce near nuclear level hits, and can now manipulate electricity, fly and produce EM attacks. He also now knows your moves before you make them.

Add to this, the fact these guys are invisible to you due to psi cloaking, and Taskertooth can sneak up on you and pull your head off before you can react (senses, martial arts skills) and you realize there not really anything you can do.

Also, Jarvis sneaks up behind the Joker and shoots him or wreaks havoc by Opening the Casket of Ancient Winters

Edit.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/HereKitty.gif

Unofficial post:

Ignore my 2nd post, and anything involving the Cask of Ancient Winters. The Cask was banned (rightly so). Illadelph allowed me to have that post stricken from the record since the legality of the Cask was switched after I had made the post.

I may just have Bada edit it or something. In the meantime, it can be ignored if it's around when you read this match.

My writeup and 1st post, and KFish's 1st post, remain completely valid however.

Ok, lets get it on =].


Ok Jean vs Sinister debate.

In that instance you showed (Sinister breaking into Jean's mind), Jean had been fighting Madelyn Prior, and was weakened and was in the process of receiving her memories.

Also, Jean did not try to fight back in anyway in the scans you showed.

When fighting on the Astral Plane she's hurt Onslaught (it didn't do much, but even fighting back against Onslaught telepathically is a feat in itself, as Onslaught was powerful enough to easily beat X-man via telepathy, along with making a star with psionic energy)

http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2sk1.jpg

And yes, I know in the next page she gets owned, but who wouldn't get owned by Onslaught telepathically? (sans Cosmic Entities and Thanos)


Now, reaction times.

Tony's shielding reactions vs Crimson Dynamo (shown by you last match) are impressive, but his shielding involved interfacing with the armour and it sending the shield to his arm (or whatever it was). The next one had him slamming into crimson dynamo a few moments later.

Taskmaster has caught a bullet shot from about 3 meters away from him, as he was turning round.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/520/marvelcomicstaskmaster004215fp.jpg

Bullet that travels at what? 330 m/s?

Thats puts his reaction times as just Taskmaster in the decimals. Now combined with a) Sabretooth's reactions, and b) double or triple times that of Sabretooth's reactions, and you have reaction speeds on par with Spiderman/ Extremis Iron Man.

Electro vs Iron Man debate.

That issue was weird, as the forcefield was made of electricity (shown as Electro got shocked when he touched it), by all rights Electro could've just either absorbed the field, or used it to attack the New Avengers (he can manipulate electricity in all it's forms). This is defiantly true of supercharged Electro (who I am using here).

http://img472.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asm42569th7tt.jpg

Manipulates psionic electrical energy to stop X-man mind raping him.

In that arc he also manipulated/disrupted Bio electrical signals to cause Spiderman pain.

http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asm42377ch5yi.jpg

This shows it's possible for Electro to control the nervous system/disrupt it.

But also, Electro showed flight capabilities in New Avengers #1 or #2-

http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newavengers1pg19208wr.jpg

http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newavengers1pg21220pb.jpg

Also, in that scan of Tony absorbing the electricity from Machine Man, Tony even says it himself, he can only absorb it because MM plugged himself into what were basically Tony's power sockets.

Anyway, I have to go like, now but as a final note to do with Abom's strength level-

Not class 80. Abom has been stated at double Savage Hulk's base strength (which is still class 100, in a calm state we've seen Hulk do things that trump most other class 100's)

Good Write up Digi, should be a fun match

Digi Post #2

- Remember, no Cask of Winters.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Ok Jean vs Sinister debate.

In that instance you showed (Sinister breaking into Jean's mind), Jean had been fighting Madelyn Prior, and was weakened and was in the process of receiving her memories.

Also, Jean did not try to fight back in anyway in the scans you showed.

When fighting on the Astral Plane she's hurt Onslaught (it didn't do much, but even fighting back against Onslaught telepathically is a feat in itself, as Onslaught was powerful enough to easily beat X-man via telepathy, along with making a star with psionic energy)

http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2sk1.jpg

My point stands that their size in the scan represented their presence in the psychic realm. Sinister >>>> Jean, by those standards, regardless of her state.

As for your scan, I see an angry rant, but not really any "hurting." She says her bit, then, as you so helpfully pointed out, she gets owned. I showed Sinister beating Nate Grey. And not just beating him, but using his telepathic power to beat both him and others with him. Nate Grey is at least = Jean. You still have some work to do here.

Also, your claim to physical fame is still Sabertooth with that amalgam:
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Uncanny%20X-Men%20221-02.jpg
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Uncanny%20X-Men%20221-03.jpg
...I really can't post that enough. You're boned.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
And yes, I know in the next page she gets owned, but who wouldn't get owned by Onslaught telepathically? (sans Cosmic Entities and Thanos)

Sinister, actually. Onslaught's telepathy was based off of Xavier. Unhinged and slightly amped for PIS purposes, granted. And obviously Sinister doesn't have Onslaught's total power. But I can say quite confidently that if all he used was telepathy, Sinister would be quite safe.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Now, reaction times.

Tony's shielding reactions vs Crimson Dynamo (shown by you last match) are impressive, but his shielding involved interfacing with the armour and it sending the shield to his arm (or whatever it was). The next one had him slamming into crimson dynamo a few moments later.

Taskmaster has caught a bullet shot from about 3 meters away from him, as he was turning round.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/520/marvelcomicstaskmaster004215fp.jpg

Bullet that travels at what? 330 m/s?

Thats puts his reaction times as just Taskmaster in the decimals. Now combined with a) Sabretooth's reactions, and b) double or triple times that of Sabretooth's reactions, and you have reaction speeds on par with Spiderman/ Extremis Iron Man.

Scan embellishment isn't going to work. You're going to need to show much more exacting stuff, especially when we're talking decimals. TM seemed to be facing the bullet. If I saw a gun being aimed, I could stick my hand in front of it too. All that showed was that he was durable enough for it not to pierce his skin, but that's nothing that any of my guys can't replicate.

But as long as we're comparing scans:
http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=impico1ty3.jpg
Can TM do anything measured in pico-seconds?

Combine that with my earlier scans of Tony performing multiple tasks in under a second, and you have ownage.

And we have to remember, Taskmaster can, what, throw class 5 punches at that speed? What else does Sabertooth bring to the table? Tony can fire repulsors, throw class 100 punches, sonics, EM blasts, Uni-Beam, flight, etc. etc. in that time. It's not about nit-picking reaction times (though I win that too), it's about what powers we can use with those reactions. And Tony's power >>>> anyone in the fight, and certainly TM's amalgam's powers.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Electro vs Iron Man debate.

That issue was weird, as the forcefield was made of electricity (shown as Electro got shocked when he touched it), by all rights Electro could've just either absorbed the field, or used it to attack the New Avengers (he can manipulate electricity in all it's forms). This is defiantly true of supercharged Electro (who I am using here).

Saying it was weird doesn't negate that Tony has shown a forcefield that negates Electro. It's canon, it's in Extremis. I'm using it. And saying it was made of electricity is speculation. Tony never said what it was made of. Electric or not, Electro couldn't touch it without injury.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
http://img472.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asm42569th7tt.jpg

Manipulates psionic electrical energy to stop X-man mind raping him.

In that arc he also manipulated/disrupted Bio electrical signals to cause Spiderman pain.

http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asm42377ch5yi.jpg

This shows it's possible for Electro to control the nervous system/disrupt it.

Trouble there is, Minion and Tony are shielded from what he did to Spidey there. Good for Electro, but Death's Head is shielded from all electromagnetic forces, and Tony could just absorb it. Remember, it's hard for even sub-atomic particles to invade his armor:
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cantteleportseperatlyzg2.jpg
...so I fail to see how you'd be accessing either his armor or his human electrical systems with some clunky lightning attacks.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
But also, Electro showed flight capabilities in New Avengers #1 or #2-

http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newavengers1pg19208wr.jpg

http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newavengers1pg21220pb.jpg

Also, in that scan of Tony absorbing the electricity from Machine Man, Tony even says it himself, he can only absorb it because MM plugged himself into what were basically Tony's power sockets.

I already said he could levitate. Those scans aren't flight, they're levitation. I have two characters flying at well over Mach speed (Tony is recorded at at least Mach 8 on panel, and MM has bettered an airplane). So he can hover, move around a bit. Cool. But I still have maneuverability, by a lot.

As for the electrical energy:
Re-channeling electrical energy (see the Storm thing at the bottom):
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imx2ml0.jpg

The first scan I provided isn't the only instance of it. This is another, and I'm sure I could dig up others as well. You haven't showed me a reason to believe your attack would work, other than assuming that Stark can be shut down electrically.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Anyway, I have to go like, now but as a final note to do with Abom's strength level-

Not class 80. Abom has been stated at double Savage Hulk's base strength (which is still class 100, in a calm state we've seen Hulk do things that trump most other class 100's)

Class 100 (which I said he was) means 100+ in normal terminology. So fair enough. But the scans I showed in my writeup were to show that we're in that category as well.

Minion can vaporize bricks with punches, for example:
http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dh7il3.jpg
Stark can whoop She-Hulk:
http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imshe1zl8.jpg
http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imshe2yo7.jpg

As well as the Class 1000+ feats I showed in the writeup.

As before, Abom's a brick. Nothing else. My bricks do a LOT more, and are better overall. Healing, better. Durability, equal. Speed, better. Flight, better. Strength, equal. Damage (Minion's slicing), better.

Quick Hits

- I can't stress this enough: 1 of his 3 characters is Jarvis with a shotgun! This match is a 3-on-2.

- That fact, added to my speed advantage (detailed in this post and the writeup) and flight advantage, means I determine matchups. Even if, say, Electro could beat Stark (he can't) I don't have to fight him with Stark. I can beat him with anyone I want.

- As it is, I prefer to use Minion/MM for Abom/Electro. MM can produce his own forcefields:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/X-51_The_Machine_Man_02_pg07.jpg
...also note the reactions times there. And Minion is protected from harm by Electro (detailed earlier). And he can just cut him up until he dies, all the while healing almost instantly from anything they do to me.

- No proof for Abomination boosting Electro's powers. Does an increase is mass really help him that much more? Is there proof of this? Especially with a finite amount of electricity to manipulate in the area, I can't imagine a large boost, if any.

Ok the whole Jean vs Sinister thing-.

That scan from Infernus is out of context. Sinister is massive comapred to a bunch of X-men with no telepathic powers. Including Jean, in Infernus she had no telepathy, only TK.

So yeah, that has no bearing on his relation to Jean when she has her TP at it's normal levels.

Anyway, it does not take high level telepathy to beat X-man using his own telepathic energy-

http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asm42559xg3qr.jpg

http://img472.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asm42569th7tt.jpg

http://img288.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asm42571yz0zt.jpg



And as for this-



Sabretooth charges at Sinister like an idiot and gets owned.

Not that convincing, since he's amalgamated with Jean who knows exactly what Sinister is capable of, and Taskmaster who is not an idiot either.



Now Tasky bullet catching feat-

Firstly, just to prove bullets do hurt him and he actually caught it-

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/7056/marvelcomicstaskmaster002079oq.jpg

and also

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/463/marvelcomicstaskmaster004157gm.jpg

You can see the bullet go straight through him.

And now for how he does the bullet catching-

The guy does the trick to start with-

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/3323/marvelcomicstaskmaster004180ze.jpg

Tasky blitzes and kills him (a guy fast enough to catch a bullet)

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6771/marvelcomicstaskmaster004198cb.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6417/marvelcomicstaskmaster004206qe.jpg

And then Tasky replicates the trick-

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/520/marvelcomicstaskmaster004215fp.jpg

And thats all whilst having been shot through the side (see second bullet penetration scan)

Anyway, as for this-



That's Tony's armour isolating a wavelength. Basically a supercomputer finding a radio wavelength very fast.

Nothing shows that Tony can perform physical actions at that speed.

And what does Sabretooth bring-

Superhuman Strength

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741974

An Adamantium skeleton/ speed and reflexes.

Sabretooth did this to The Wendigo ( a creature that has stalemated Hulk )

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741998

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742001

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742006

For one thing- with his peak human speed and reflexes (this is prior to realizing he can do bullet time moves) Taskmaster did this to Iron Man-

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takesironman4nv3pc.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takesironman22ib0zs.jpg

http://img446.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takesironman35un2op.jpg

Now, combine that with Spiderman level agility (at least) and strength multiplied by the fact he's going at least double Sabretooth speed, and adamantium, and Tony isn't hitting Taskertooth any time soon.

And as for Tony's luck fighting fast people up close-

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/415/feat13fight1mx1.jpg

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4468/feat13fight2tj6.jpg

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9920/feat13fight3qa7.jpg

And now remember Taskertooth is going to go fro the kill, no knocking Ton'y sensors off. More like tearing out his throat.

And as for Tony hitting people who are superhumanly fast-

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9218/feat49speedfq3.jpg

Sure Spidy has his Spidersense, but Tasky knows all of Iron Man's moves and fighting tactics, so can easily achieve the same thing.

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takongdownavengers28jp9rv.jpg

And the same again- Tony's ability to dodge is not exactly spectacular-

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7025/feat48strengthji7.jpg




Abom could likely punch out of that forcefield, for one thing, those little electric shocks aren't even going to bother Electromination.

Now, you haven't protected either MM or Iron Man from being Ionized =/.

And Tony has shown before that if he doesn't prep specifically against magnetism (electro's ionization does exactly the same thing), he can get his armour torn apart (New Avengers Collective Arc)

And with the Deaths Head/MM amalgam, once electro ionizes him (protection against EM fluctuations isn't going to help here), he can tear him apart and fling him across the battlefield in 5 pieces.

I think that would put him down for at least 2 minutes (healing time cap)

As for speed-

MM bettering an airplane does not equal even Mach 1. Public airliners only travel at like, 300 mph, far less than the SOS.

And as for the re channeling electricity, has Tony ever done anything llike that while in Extremis?

As for equal durability/strength.

Minion's durability is probably equal (healing factor and all)

Stark's? No way.

Tony's been destroyed up close by the Hulk, he's even had his armour badly damaged with one punch. He has also failed to do any damage to a reasonably calm Hulk with his hits.

Abom on the other hand, can easily match Hulk's strength (even when he's stressed, albeit, not for long as the Hulk can get to insane levels) and has taken hits from a Hulk so angry he was near WWH levels (ish).

If Minion tries to extent bladed arms, they can be ionized and used to slice his own head off.

Quick Point-

-Iron Man's only advantage here is speed, and here it's not useful. When you can't physically hit someone, or if you try to they'll hit you back twice as hard, you're going to have problems.

-MM/Minion, I can't really see what they're going to do. I mean, he extents bladed arms and they can either be ionized and torn off, or grabbed (Electro has the superhuman reflexes to hit Spiderman)

Any offensive move you try to pull is going to lead nowhere, whereas my team can take you apart up close or from long rang using Electro's more clever power usage.

(Btw, Digi, you've been as good of an opponent as I thought you would be)

Digi Post #3

Since others will likely congratulate you as well, I won't sing your praises too much. For a first effort you're doing remarkably well. This fight is still an unmitigated stomp ( ), but you're making me work for it a lot more that I had anticipated.

First order of business: 1 of his 3 characters for the fight is Jarvis with a shotgun. This match is a 3-on-2.. I'm going to say that in every post, btw. It's not that I don't trust the judges to see it, but it's just so much of an advantage for me that I can't help from doing it. Seriously, that alone damns your team.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Ok the whole Jean vs Sinister thing-.

That scan from Infernus is out of context. Sinister is massive comapred to a bunch of X-men with no telepathic powers. Including Jean, in Infernus she had no telepathy, only TK.

So yeah, that has no bearing on his relation to Jean when she has her TP at it's normal levels.

Anyway, it does not take high level telepathy to beat X-man using his own telepathic energy-

http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asm42559xg3qr.jpg
http://img472.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asm42569th7tt.jpg
http://img288.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asm42571yz0zt.jpg

First, I'll point out that those scans have nothing to do with the telepathic battle going on. Electro was able to manipulate his way around getting mind-raped. Cool. But Electro isn't even fighting Sinister. Your point is moot.

Also, Sinister can still turn telepathic energy back on its user. You haven't debunked that. Jean is in trouble, and will be fighting for her life. You also mentioned Jean knowing what to expect from Sinister. Granted, but the reverse is also true. Neither has much bearing on the fight. If I can stalemate you (I can do far more) then my numbers advantage quickly takes over.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Sabretooth charges at Sinister like an idiot and gets owned.

Yes. Yes he does. I didn't use the scan to say that you'd attack me like that. I used it to show my vast physical superiority to you. Which I still have.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Now Tasky bullet catching feat-
...edited for space.

Once again, you miss the main point, and the main point that works against you. I never said Taskmaster isn't fast. He is, very much so. My point was that A. Tony's just as fast (which I've proven) and B. I have so many more powers to use with that speed, and so much more total power, that even if you have a tiny speed advantage (doubtful) it means nothing.

It's like you hitting me with a baseball bat 10 times, then me shooting you with a gun 8 times. I might not be 100% coming out of it, but you're sure as sh*t dead.

For example, can Sabertooth do this?
http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imcon1xb6.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imcon2cr4.jpg
...didn't think so.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
That's Tony's armour isolating a wavelength. Basically a supercomputer finding a radio wavelength very fast.

Nothing shows that Tony can perform physical actions at that speed.

Selective memory. I still have this:
http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imreaction1sr7.jpg

You're not going to disprove that Tony has sick reaction times, because, well, he does.

Oh, and while I'm at it, TM isn't the only one in this fight capable of catching bullets:
http://photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/X-51_The_Machine_Man_02_pg18.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/X-51_The_Machine_Man_02_pg19.jpg

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
For one thing- with his peak human speed and reflexes (this is prior to realizing he can do bullet time moves) Taskmaster did this to Iron Man-

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takesironman4nv3pc.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takesironman22ib0zs.jpg
http://img446.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takesironman35un2op.jpg

Now, combine that with Spiderman level agility (at least) and strength multiplied by the fact he's going at least double Sabretooth speed, and adamantium, and Tony isn't hitting Taskertooth any time soon.

You really think I'm going to try to hand-to-hand Tasmky?! Come on. High-level energy output would fry the hell out of Sabertooth/TM before you could blink.

Another example:
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26150188gm1.jpg

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
And as for Tony's luck fighting fast people up close-

Key words: "up close." It's how any writer PIS's Tony into losing to someone who is <<<< than he is. I'm not that dumb.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Abom could likely punch out of that forcefield, for one thing, those little electric shocks aren't even going to bother Electromination.

Now, you haven't protected either MM or Iron Man from being Ionized =/.

And Tony has shown before that if he doesn't prep specifically against magnetism (electro's ionization does exactly the same thing), he can get his armour torn apart (New Avengers Collective Arc)

And with the Deaths Head/MM amalgam, once electro ionizes him (protection against EM fluctuations isn't going to help here), he can tear him apart and fling him across the battlefield in 5 pieces.

I think that would put him down for at least 2 minutes (healing time cap)

First, you forget that I'm determining matchups. I have the flight advantage as well as a 3-on-2. Electro will never sniff Tony. Minion and MM are dealing with him. Tony and Sinister are double-teaming your only other pertinent amalgam (Toothmaster Grey or whatever you're calling him...which would be a surprisingly good name for a DJ).

And no, tiny shocks won't hurt Abomination. But this will:
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/DarkGuard0207.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/DarkGuard0208.jpg
...and it'll be on the end of MM's arm extensions, so I'll be 50 feet away, and you won't even be able to touch Minion/MM.

Or this will:
http://photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/x5105-07.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/x5105-09.jpg

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
MM bettering an airplane does not equal even Mach 1. Public airliners only travel at like, 300 mph, far less than the SOS.

Occasionally I like to bait people in matches into saying something that I can then prove wrong.
http://photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/MachineMan01-12.jpg

Sorry. Couldn't help it.

...but consider it part of your training. Learn to do it to others, and you'll make them waste multiple posts only to be proven wrong in the end, and you'll look sweet.



Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Minion's durability is probably equal (healing factor and all)

Yes, it is. He can regrow limbs in seconds, and take nukes like pop rocks.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Stark's? No way.

Debatable. But pointless. Tony's not fighting him.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Abom on the other hand, can easily match Hulk's strength

Base Hulk. Not angry Hulk. And I showed my team doing things that are >>>> 100, 200 tons, etc. etc. And also earlier in this post with many ways to hurt him.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
If Minion tries to extent bladed arms, they can be ionized and used to slice his own head off.

You're going to have to define this "ionized" more closely, and explain why you think it would work. As it is, I'm not even sure what you're talking about, and am quite sure it would never work. I have more on this below.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
-Iron Man's only advantage here is speed

Um. What?! Refuted earlier, in basically every post I've made.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
-MM/Minion, I can't really see what they're going to do. I mean, he extents bladed arms and they can either be ionized and torn off, or grabbed (Electro has the superhuman reflexes to hit Spiderman)

Torn off? Molebdenum is just a shade less durable than adamantium. You're not ripping off any part of them. But let's even say you do:
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=b1xo9.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=b2pi2.jpg
...turns them to liquid and reforms them. Which is what he'll do with pretty much any body part. And let's not forget that a head decap won't work either. MM can reattach it:
http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=machine2sl1.jpg

So really. No way to kill them. Ever. You just don't have the offensive output.

....

Just a reminder

- It's a 3-on-2, unless you think Jarvis can take it to one of my characters ( ). I determine matchups, and will be double-teaming whoever is toughest (Toothmaster Jiggy for starters) and then triple-teaming the other once the first goes down. Really, that makes this a stomp.

Digi Post #4

"Why the Minion/MM amalgam won't be hurt by Electro"

K, so his only claim to fame seems to be this ionization thing with Electro. He's already given up on regular attacks, and seemingly wants to ionize me, which I've taken to mean magnetize.

First, let's look at Minion's bio again, courtesy of his maker's (AIM, and specifically Dr. Evylyn Necker):
http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00ja5.jpg
And I quote: "...fully shielded against corrosion, remote influencing, electromagnetic flux, and gravitational inconsistency."

Using my arms against me sounds an awful lot like remote influencing, and anything Electro does counts as electromagnetic.

But we're a "show me" culture here on KMC. So I have additional scans:

Machine Man can create a forcefield to simply block its affects:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/X-51_The_Machine_Man_02_pg07.jpg
...please note, Mimic's blasts >> Electro's blasts.

He can also adapt to specific powers and create counter-measures for them. here he does it for fire-based powers and telekinesis, making them useless against him:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/x5104-27.jpg
...also useful against Jean, perhaps, yes?

He can also shield from EM blasts:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/x5103-19.jpg

But here's the bit that screws his attack into oblivion. He channels ionized plasma...gigantic amounts of it.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/x5103-20.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/x5103-21.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/x5103-22.jpg

Har.

Anyway, it's a last ditch effort on KFish's part, and that's why it fails. As for hurting them, the above post details that quite nicely. This was simply to debunk that particular portion of his plan, since I hadn't directly addressed.

Oh, and one more thing. Jarvis with a shotgun is 1 of his 3 characters. I said I'd mention it in every post, and I'm a man of my word.

Protection from EM flux does not mean protection from magnetising/ionizing your metal components.

EM flux basically means fluctuating amounts from the standard levels of EM radiation around, ie, what an EMP woudl generate to short out electricity.

Electro ionizing the armour doesn't need EM radiation, just electricity-

http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mksm03072af.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mksm03089fk.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mksm03090ia.jpg
http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mksm03100bq.jpg

Remote influencing means telekinisis doesn't it? Not Magnetism.

Channeling Ionized plasma means nothing. All he's doing is channeling a state of matter (albeit a very very hot one). Nothing to do with him being ionized and torn apart.

And for that shield-

If he extents the shield t o prevent getting hit by electro's attacks, then his arm weapons surely can't hurt Electromination. If you don't use the shield, they can get ionized (being metal and all) or Abom could probably just grab them and swing MM/Minion about (although probably not as he can liquify his arms)


As for the other stuff-

Lay off Jarvis, he's an old man

It's not his fault he's useless and the Joker is an amalgam ( Joker being the one guy he could kill)


But the serious points.

Iron Man's blasts.

The concussion blasts from New Avengers were impressive enough, except they put down standard humans. The power output wasn't enough to kill them, just KO them.

Sabretooth's healing and durability can easily outlast those shots.

I mean, he's been exposed to things that can kill normal human beings basically instantly and still won (his fight against Omega Red) and that was whilst OR was slicing him with Carbodanium lashes ( that weaken healing factors).

As the the Unibeam heat feat thing, the uni beam is even less accurate than his repulsor's (which are very accurate, but as shown in my last post failed against a opponent with similer speed to Taskertooth Grey ( he would be a cool DJ).

Plus, Taskertooth can predict and counter anything Tony does before he does it-

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takongdownavengers28jp9rv.jpg

And that was whilst fighting (and owning) Cap at the same time.



The other thing is, if you did take out Taskertooth Grey (not happening as you aren't going to be able to lay a finger on him), you give Electromination the chance to use Abom's strength in the most destructive way's he can without risking damage to a teammate.

That's near nuclear force level T-claps and Shockwaves.


Anyway, sorry if I missed anything important, a few of the photobucket scans you posted wouldn't work for me.

Digi Post #5

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Protection from EM flux does not mean protection from magnetising/ionizing your metal components.

EM flux basically means fluctuating amounts from the standard levels of EM radiation around, ie, what an EMP woudl generate to short out electricity.

Electro ionizing the armour doesn't need EM radiation, just electricity-

http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mksm03072af.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mksm03089fk.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mksm03090ia.jpg
http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mksm03100bq.jpg

Wait. That's it? That's what I devoted a whole post to?! Awesome. K, I have a couple absolutely crushing things to add to this discussion now that I know exactly what he thinks he can do to Minion/MM.

First, in the scan he moves an inert truck. It can't fly at > Mach speed. It can't fight back. It can't exert its own force in an opposite direction. It can't do anything but sit there. Add all that stuff I mentioned: Mach speed flight, well over class 100 strength, etc. etc. Now tell me he can manipulate it.

...yeah, I thought so. Electro hasn't used this on anything that exerts any force. If that's your big scan reveal, you're in a lot of trouble.

Second, more importantly, I was confused as to the nature of this "ionizing" process. Let's allow the dictionary to help us out.
- First, "electromagnetic": Electromagnetism is the physics of the electromagnetic field: a field which exerts a force on particles that possess the property of electric charge, and is in turn affected by the presence and motion of those particles.
- Second, a paraphrased version of KFish's ionizing attack: Exerting a force on particles that possess the property of electric charge
...look at the first definition again. Sound familiar?
- Third, Minion's bio (again):
http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00ja5.jpg
"...fully shielded against corrosion, remote influencing, electromagnetic flux, and gravitational inconsistency."

Protection from Electromagnetic flux isn't protection from lightning bolts and such. It's protection from the very thing he's trying to do to me.

Game over. I've showed about a dozen scans, backed with logic, explaining why this attack won't work at all on me. He has a scan of moving a truck. I'll let the judges decide, though it should be fairly obvious.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Remote influencing means telekinisis doesn't it? Not Magnetism.

You're guessing, in order to try to bolster your argument. Anyway, this is debunked above.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
And for that shield-
If he extents the shield t o prevent getting hit by electro's attacks, then his arm weapons surely can't hurt Electromination. If you don't use the shield, they can get ionized (being metal and all) or Abom could probably just grab them and swing MM/Minion about (although probably not as he can liquify his arms)

I'm as strong and fast as you. I've shown it multiple times. So I don't see how you're even justifying this. The ionization was already debunked, so this leaves you getting chopped up mercilessly and taking energy blasts which have downed Vision (among others).

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
As for the other stuff-

Lay off Jarvis, he's an old man

It's not his fault he's useless and the Joker is an amalgam ( Joker being the one guy he could kill)

To the judges:
1. KFish admits Jarvis is useless.
2. Joker's amalgamated with Sinister. So no, Jarvis couldn't kill him. I had the foresight not to turn the fight into a 3-on-2 by making 1 of my 3 amalgams a street leveler with no discernible weaponry.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Iron Man's blasts.

The concussion blasts from New Avengers were impressive enough, except they put down standard humans. The power output wasn't enough to kill them, just KO them.

Sabretooth's healing and durability can easily outlast those shots.

I mean, he's been exposed to things that can kill normal human beings basically instantly and still won (his fight against Omega Red) and that was whilst OR was slicing him with Carbodanium lashes ( that weaken healing factors).

As the the Unibeam heat feat thing, the uni beam is even less accurate than his repulsor's (which are very accurate, but as shown in my last post failed against a opponent with similer speed to Taskertooth Grey ( he would be a cool DJ).

Did you really just try to say that Tony's blasts can't hurt anyone about human level? Do I actually need to prove that wrong?

http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=im6wl9.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=im7hb7.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=im8fw9.jpg
...that should do it. Anyone familiar with Iron Man knows I didn't need post anything though.

Uni-Beam would melt you, sans the adamantium. Plain and simple. And don't forget it's a 2-on-1 for this amalgam of yours. Gigantic telepathic assault + anything Iron Man does, + Sinister's formidable blasts and durability:
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmanxforce0002alt4.jpg

Also, I thought we had the discussion of speed. If you think you proved that I can't touch you, you're delusional. Besides, how is fighting skill going to help you avoid superior telepathy?

Da Recap

- As far as I can see it, the only reason he still has counters to make is because he is selectively ignoring much of the information I'm providing, and telling his own version of facts and characters. We're both obviously biased, but I'm countering and acknowledging everything he's doing, and still winning. His posts sound as though I haven't even been counter-arguing.

- He tried to create a Jarvis vs. Joker scenario. Lulz. Joker's meshed with Sinister. Jarvis is worthless. As before, and always, this is a 3-on-2.

- I've debunked the ionization ad nauseum. And I haven't seen him provide an attack that would do lasting damage to my team.

- Better healing (Sinister, Minion), flight (Tony, X-51), offensive output (any of mine), telepathy (Sinister), strength and durability (all of mine are > than anyone on his team except maybe Abom, though even that's debatable). Hasn't changed so far, nor will it. This is a stomp, from any angle.

My Final post I guess-


For one thing-



What you forget to mention is it does not state his body is resistant to these things.

"All Internal Jointing, replicated and replacement organs have been fully shielded against corrosion, remote influencing, electromagnetic flux, and gravitational inconsistency"

His organs and the joint's holding them together are shielded from all that, meaning I can't ionize his heart machine thing and crush it. Doesn't matter, that was never the plan. This also means that even if it counts as remote influencing, your arm's and weapons are not immune.

Not the rest of his body. There is absolutely nothing to stop Electro ionizing you and using you as a rag doll toy, smashing you around and tearing your armour to pieces in the process. yeah you can heal, but not quick enough to repair from the temperature increase from the ionization and the fact you're being smashed around into every hard surface in the nearby vicinity.

Also, I could use this to stop your speed advantage. Once held in place by magnetism, there' s nothing to stop Abom's strength tearing you limb from limb.

This also means your extendable slicing blades are useless, as they can be held in place or used to tear you own body apart. If you try to use the nifty plasma cannon, it doesn't matter, it will always be pointed at your own skull.

And as for using your strength or speed to escape, it wouldn't work, namely as you're trying to escape the influence of a magnetic field that you're producing.That's like the Earth breaking free of it's own atmosphere. Not going to happen.

The only way to nullify the effects would be to reverse your own polarity, something both Minion and MM cannot do.





Lol, no thats not what I meant.

The wide ranged ninja busting concussion blasts KO'd humans. All I was saying is that that won't be enough to put down Sabretooth (more durable and better healing than Wolverine, who's taken Hulk's hits).

Sabretooth's carried on fighting Wolverine through a freaking plane crash.


Ok Iron Man. Yes, he is faster than my Amalgam (flight and all). But Iron Man was always faster than Taskmaster. It's never helped. Especially when Tasky is always 3 steps ahead of him.

You seem to be ignoring this scan-

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takongdownavengers28jp9rv.jpg

Iron Man is flying up behind Tasky, going to repulsor him and gets owned before he can even aim his shot. There's nothing to disprove the fact that Tasky can avoid and counter attack anything Iron Man does, even when he's fighting someone else and Iron Man is sneaking up on him from behind at flight speeds.

That was before Tasky could do double speed moves, and now he's got at least double Sabretooth speed moves. I've already shown scans of Tony failing to hit a character of similar speed (vs Spiderman in Civil War #5) wit his repulsors at close range.

The Uni Beam probably would fry me, but it's not hitting me, and even if it does, I have an energy shield to save myself from harm.

As for hurting Tony I have multiple options. I could use the arrows (seen in scan above), I could use the energy webbing from the shield device to blind his scanners (Spiderman has done it, in the extended escape fight in a Spidy CW tie in).

Whilst blinded or stunned, there's nothing stopping me from literally tearing out Tony's heart and other vital organs (adamantium applied at Sabretooth's strength + double speed would slice right through Tony's armour)

And, Mach 10 flight speed does not equal Mach 10 combat speed =/



As for the telepathy.

So far your best showing was Sinister using a trap he had set prior to the fight to make X-man KO himself and his teammates. Basically, Sinister had to use Nate's own power and his own to beat Nate and his friends. Not using his own power.

Not that impressive in context.

For one thing, X-man was searching for information, not trying to telepathically assault Sinister.

Your other scan from Inferno is moot as Jean had no TP in that arc.

I realized even temporarily knocking down Onslaught is even more impressive than I thought. She manages to physically b***h slap him off Saturn's rings on the astral plane.

Onslaught's TP is basically Xavier but massively amped. Recently Xavier owned EXODUS telepathically in a duel, and had the chance to permanently de-power Exo using only TP.

Now imagine that but amped. That's what Jean stalled. Yes it's stalled, but out of the 3 TP feats posted between us it's easily the most impressive, as in context both the Sinister feats you posted aren't very impressive.

Also, if worse comes to worse, you still haven't proved how your team can survive near nuclear level shockwaves and thunderclaps from Abom (he's stunned Namor underwater in the middle of a high pressure whirlpool that Namor made, Abom did that with one T-clap + underwater it would be substantially less powerful than on land.) without getting stunned and ripped up or blown apart up close.

http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fight17namorwinsntsm59uv5.jpg

As for Sinister's durability. Yeah it's impressive, but it's not anywhere near Abom's or Sabretooths.

For this proof I give you-

http://img183.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=95164_X-Factor_3039_Page_22_122_247lo.jpg&loc=loc247

Cyclops leaves Sinister as a pile of bones (even though it turns out that Sinister wanted that to happen)

And to prove Abom's reflexes enough to keep up with Minion and MM in H2H at least, here's Abom reacting well enough to stalemate Namor underwater (remember Namor has beaten Hulk underwater before, and Hulk has tagged Quicksilver)

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fight1namorwinsntsm59eg2.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fight12namorwinsntsm59ys6.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fight13namorwinsntsm59cr3.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fight14namorwinsntsm59ir5.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fight15namorwinsntsm59vj5.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fight16namorwinsntsm59bi0.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fight17namorwinsntsm59uv5.jpg
http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fight18namorwinsntsm59zf4.jpg




Final Points for judges.


- I have proven that Digi isn't going to be able to touch my Tasky amalgam with Iron Man. He can state his flight speeds and reaction times all he wants, but I've shown on panel proof of Iron Man getting owned by Taskmaster (twice, the scans from the 2001 mini are in an earlier post) because he knows what Tony will do before Tony does. Add that to Sabretooth's physical stats and healing, along with the weaponry I brought along, and Iron Man can do nothing to this amalgam, whereas I have multiple ways to disable Tony for long enough to rip out his insides and kill him (webbing to the face, shield to the face, disruptor arrow to the face)

- Sinister's telepathy. From what Digi has shown it's not that superior to Jean's at all. And as the judging is based on what we show and argue not what they already know...

- As for Digi claiming the Ionizing wouldn't work, I have proved that the EM shielding in Minion only covers his vital organs, not his entire structure (from Digi's own bio). This means the tactic is completely viable and would work as there's no evidence suggesting the rest of Minion is shielded from such effects. It would take 2 seconds for Electro to ionize MM/Minion and then use him to break either himself or his teammates.

- I've basically broken down every argument Digi has made, and shown why they will not work and how I can counter them, backed up with scans. Unless Digi pulls a huge glorious piece of evidence out his hat with the next 4 hours 38 minutes, I think I can win this.



Thanks to the judges, and thanks for a really good match Digi, Good luck

Ah good. Thanks for giving me a fair amount of time to respond. I'll try to be quick about it and will only cover a few points, since I don't really like playing the "last post game."

And yeah, good match.

Hmm. Not as short as expected. You had a lot to respond to, and I also dug up something new. So a long post forthcoming, but I've also given you a few hours to respond again.

Digi Post #6

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
What you forget to mention is it does not state his body is resistant to these things.

"All Internal Jointing, replicated and replacement organs have been fully shielded against corrosion, remote influencing, electromagnetic flux, and gravitational inconsistency"

His organs and the joint's holding them together are shielded from all that, meaning I can't ionize his heart machine thing and crush it. Doesn't matter, that was never the plan. This also means that even if it counts as remote influencing, your arm's and weapons are not immune.

Not the rest of his body. There is absolutely nothing to stop Electro ionizing you and using you as a rag doll toy, smashing you around and tearing your armour to pieces in the process....etc etc.

Please read this. Brand new info concerning this tactic

I can't believe I didn't think of this before. Machine Man flies by negating the gravity equation, and can also do it for objects and areas near him:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/2001-8-09.jpg
and
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/MachineMan16-16.jpg

So I can negate my polarity altogether. Ta-da!

Or! (I have options). Or I could reverse the magnetic force that you are exerting on me.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/MachineMan13-03.jpg

Ha! I'll admit, you were dogged in your pursuit of this tactic. Had me worried for a second. But I'm set. Goodbye ionization!

That should sufficiently debunk the tactic for everyone reading this. I can negate and/or reverse what he's doing to me via MM's powers.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
This also means your extendable slicing blades are useless, as they can be held in place or used to tear you own body apart. If you try to use the nifty plasma cannon, it doesn't matter, it will always be pointed at your own skull.

And as for using your strength or speed to escape, it wouldn't work, namely as you're trying to escape the influence of a magnetic field that you're producing.That's like the Earth breaking free of it's own atmosphere. Not going to happen.

The only way to nullify the effects would be to reverse your own polarity, something both Minion and MM cannot do.

Wait wait. I'm sorry, because you almost had me. But this is too delicious not to enjoy. I have to quote you in bold:
The only way to nullify the effects would be to reverse your own polarity, something both Minion and MM cannot do.

See the scans earlier in this post. They negate everything he says there. De-freaking-licious!

Moving on.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Ok Iron Man. Yes, he is faster than my Amalgam (flight and all). But Iron Man was always faster than Taskmaster. It's never helped. Especially when Tasky is always 3 steps ahead of him.

You seem to be ignoring this scan-

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takongdownavengers28jp9rv.jpg

Iron Man is flying up behind Tasky, going to repulsor him and gets owned before he can even aim his shot. There's nothing to disprove the fact that Tasky can avoid and counter attack anything Iron Man does, even when he's fighting someone else and Iron Man is sneaking up on him from behind at flight speeds.

I'm not ignoring the scan. I'm simply not planning on coming that close to your amalgam. I'm not stupid enough to do that. Wide-range repulsor blasts certainly will hit you, will hurt you, and will put you down. Whereas your entire skill set is designed for close-quarters combat. Well I'm not George Patton, but I'm not a poo-flinging monkey either. If I can stay at further range, and win at further range, that's exactly what I'll do. You never showed how you'd counter that. Ever.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
The Uni Beam probably would fry me, but it's not hitting me, and even if it does, I have an energy shield to save myself from harm.

As for hurting Tony I have multiple options. I could use the arrows (seen in scan above), I could use the energy webbing from the shield device to blind his scanners (Spiderman has done it, in the extended escape fight in a Spidy CW tie in).

Tony was trying to detain Pete, not fry him into oblivion. Again, close quarters. Your scans don't mean anything unless you can get close to me, which I'm not going to allow.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
And, Mach 10 flight speed does not equal Mach 10 combat speed =/

Course it doesn't. Now, reaction times in the hundreths of a second do count as combat speed. As stated before, I'm similar speed, and have more powers to use against you. I'm gonna hit you, and it's gonna hurt.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
As for the telepathy.

Yes, telepathy. Read on, please.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
As for Sinister's durability. Yeah it's impressive, but it's not anywhere near Abom's or Sabretooths.

For this proof I give you-

http://img183.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=95164_X-Factor_3039_Page_22_122_247lo.jpg&loc=loc247

Cyclops leaves Sinister as a pile of bones (even though it turns out that Sinister wanted that to happen)

"Even though Sinister wanted that to happen."

Kinda buried yourself on that one, eh? Never give the enemy anything. Not an inch. Scoob taught me that, because I used to do the same thing. If you hadn't told me that, I wouldn't have known it myself. But now I do, and it kinda kills your argument, especially when he's taken blasts from Cyke before, which put the argument out to pasture entirely.

Anyway, as for durability, Sinister is only mixing it up physically if he needs to. And:
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=CDP17.ffs.xtv.p005.jpg
...complete control of cellular structure. He probably has the best healing in the fight.
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Colossus%20Bloodline%203_13.jpg
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Colossus%20Bloodline%203_14.jpg
...has his own telekinesis.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/uxm243pg08zc2.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/uxm243pg09ee7.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/uxm243pg10my7.jpg
...punks another skilled telepath.

And trap or not, his tp > Nate Grey. You mentioned feats. I've given you them. You basically asked the judges to think Sinister doesn't have telepathy, because, I dunno, you didn't like the feats I posted. Which is absurd. I've shown formidable tp, strength, healing, telekinesis, etc. etc. Hell, he's made clones of Jean. If you don't think he knows her as intimately as he did Nate, and could pwn her just as easily, you're sadly mistaken. And the thing is, you could've proven yourself. And you didn't. You tried to chop down my telepath instead of talking up your own. Well I did a better job on the scans, and I think in the logic as well.

At worst, he stalemates Jean/TM/Tooth. At worst.

And you're facing a 2-on-1.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
And to prove Abom's reflexes enough to keep up with Minion and MM

He's still a brick, any way you slice it. Even if he has the same reflexes (debatable) he has worse healing and worse offensive output. I debunked the ionization above. What's left? Hoping you punch hard enough to kill me before I lop your head off in a few swipes?

Post #7

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Final Points for judges.

- I have proven that Digi isn't going to be able to touch my Tasky amalgam with Iron Man. He can state his flight speeds and reaction times all he wants, but I've shown on panel proof of Iron Man getting owned by Taskmaster (twice, the scans from the 2001 mini are in an earlier post) because he knows what Tony will do before Tony does. Add that to Sabretooth's physical stats and healing, along with the weaponry I brought along, and Iron Man can do nothing to this amalgam, whereas I have multiple ways to disable Tony for long enough to rip out his insides and kill him (webbing to the face, shield to the face, disruptor arrow to the face)

I'm not fighting him at close range, negating nearly all of that. The ownings weren't in Extremis, where Tony received a gigantic reaction times boost. And he can't touch me when I do nothing but attack from a distance.
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Omni-directional blast, which negates his vaunted reflexes:
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Also, this amalgam is facing a 2-on-1 from Sinister and Tony. Not good for him.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
- Sinister's telepathy. From what Digi has shown it's not that superior to Jean's at all. And as the judging is based on what we show and argue not what they already know.

Pretty please judge based on what we've both shown you. It's straight mathematical fact that I'd win. I only showed nothing if you, um, ignore my posts. Please don't...they're quite good, imo.



Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
- As for Digi claiming the Ionizing wouldn't work, I have proved that the EM shielding in Minion only covers his vital organs, not his entire structure (from Digi's own bio). This means the tactic is completely viable...

...until this post. See scans above.

Honest to Moses, I wasn't planning on waiting until post #6 (the previous one) to formally debunk it. It just didn't dawn on me until then. My earlier posts did a good job of casting doubt on it (and may have negated it entirely) but I blew it out of the water with my explanation above.

MM can negate polarity or reverse it, thus negating the ionization process. Scans prove it. End of story. The only way he can get out of it now is if he were to try to falsely interpret the scans. Read them for yourself though. I'm right.
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Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
- Unless Digi pulls a huge glorious piece of evidence out his hat with the next 4 hours 38 minutes, I think I can win this.

It's like you're setting me up for these epic moments of triumph.

But I'll relent this time. I proved you wrong. My team's better. And beyond that, this fight is a 3-on-2. You would've had to do some epic debating to overcome that. Good match though.

Digi Wins...
















...but Newjak fails.

Congrats Digi. Also congrats to Kfish on a well respected fight.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Digi Wins...

...but Newjak fails.

I can live with that.



Nice match, KFish.

And KFish and I have been chatting. I've offered some advice, but mainly just been a sounding board for his own good ideas. Yes, his team is holding him back. But he'll be changing them soon. Maybe not in time for a playoff push, but enough to be a really tough match and to continue to gain experience.

I'll be honest, I underestimated him coming into the match. He had me on the defensive a few times. Well fought.