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fight takes place in a room the size of the yankee stadium, with a roof. torch starts off in flight. the team has 30 minutes prep. who wins?

Originally posted by namorsubby
fight takes place in a room the size of the yankee stadium, with a roof. torch starts off in flight. the team has 30 minutes prep. who wins?

with 30 minutes prep? the team. Gambit charges the building for thirty minutes then detonates it, killing everyone except himself and wolverine, who regenerates.

seriously though, whats with all the jim hammond threads.

boredom mainly.


gambit's not allowed to kill any team-mates.


wouldn't jim notice the glowing building though.


edit:

creative point BTW.

Originally posted by namorsubby
boredom mainly.


gambit's not allowed to kill any team-mates.


wouldn't jim notice the glowing building though.

Why not? Beast does have a healing factor, it just sucks in comparison to wolverine, sabertooth, etc. There's an EXTREMELY slim chance he might live through it. Besides, everyone knows Xmen just come back to life later anyway.

you said the TEAM gets 30 mins prep, not hammond. for all intents and purposes, hammond would be directly dropped in the middle of a fully charged building that explodes immediately.

edit: thanks for the kudos. it's the only reason i come here, to think of creative ways to argue silly things.

jim has a history of thriving in explosions. for instance an atom bomb explosion once rendered him more powerful instead of hurting him. and this:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/HeroesForHire12p21.jpg

oh, and jim hammond can generate fire forcefields strong enough to stop several exploding artillery rounds at the same time:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/marvelmystery0606-1.jpg

i'm not sure if you thought i was being sarcastic when i congratulated you on the creative point. i wasn't though. really.

i wonder who voted screw namorsubby.........it could be anybody

Team.

I like when people talk these things out.


try being creative like Space M ummy

Human Torch should win this. Relace beast with cyclops and then the tables will turn. For right now he looks like he could take this. Unless the other team members can wait a whole hour till he runs out of energy............

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Team.

i think torch win if he can stay in the air.i think the team wins if gambit can floor him with an explosive. wolverine could get through some amount of his flame and end it.if OHT regains his composure before they are upon him though.......someone's getting fried.

Originally posted by Cavalier





i believe they call that "trolling"

Originally posted by namorsubby
i believe they call that "trolling" Oh, probably.

Don't get your panties in a twist.

I can back it up with reasoning if you like.

you do that.

X-Men have two people that can end the fight in a couple shots. And all of the X-Men are super agile, so HT would have trouble targeting any one of them to hurt, much less all three. And while he wastes time targeting one, another hits him from behind.

Tactics/Teamwork ftw.

I'm pretty sure Wolverine and Gambit could win this on their own.

People seem to forget just because Wolverine heals he can live through it all. Thats wrong Wolverine feels pain just like you and I. He will probably try not to get next to Human Torch when he's a few thouands degrees. Reason being if you take a metal rod and heat it up and put it on your skin it hurt right? You can't stop the pain. Imagine your whole skeleton is metal and burning at hundreds of degrees hurting you from the inside out. He can't stop the pain all he can do is wait till it cools off. Thats no fun. So Wolverine probably won't try to get close to him.

1)torch has superspeed well above any of their's in the air. if he can catch and target a jet plane, or numerous planes at a time, i'm sure he could catch them.

2) how will they get to him besides gambit? torch still has the shield going for him though.and like i said, torch seems to thrive in explosions anyway.his flame also makes him super-durable:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/Invaders_32-03.jpg

3) torch can concentrate his flame in all directions. and with a flame hot enough to melt ironman and burn namor, who here is gonna endure it?:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/Invaders40_16.jpg


edit:

oh, and if you think gambit is one of those people who can end this in a couple of shots. ask yourself, is a kinectically charged card from gambit stronger than the explosive force of an artillery shell? or this?:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/humantorch03-40.jpg

Originally posted by kakuzu
People seem to forget just because Wolverine heals he can live through it all. Thats wrong Wolverine feels pain just like you and I. He will probably try not to get next to Human Torch when he's a few thouands degrees. Reason being if you take a metal rod and heat it up and put it on your skin it hurt right? You can't stop the pain. Imagine your whole skeleton is metal and burning at hundreds of degrees hurting you from the inside out. He can't stop the pain all he can do is wait till it cools off. Thats no fun. So Wolverine probably won't try to get close to him. Originally posted by jinzin


(MODERN)
(*repeat*)Rogues body starts taking on the physical characteristics of verious people she's toched throughout the years. She formulates Wolverine's claws and tells him that it's the worst pain she's ever felt; We find that Wolverine ALWAYS has to endure unbelievable pain with his claws and his HF is always working on the cuts they make inside his arms as a result of them being sheathed.
1. http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3641/clawshurthp7.jpg
2. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4749/clawshurt2cr6.jpg


We aren't given to much info or context on how Wolverine ended up like this, but Wolverine explains his methods for dealing with pain while his healing factor tried to patch him up; He displays fairly impressive of both the human anatomy and psycology:
1. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4396/pain11wvep6.gif
2. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2420/pain20hizh0.gif
3. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5263/pain31teai3.gif
4. http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7796/pain48syqv0.gif
5. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8691/pain54hstn5.gif
6. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/396/pain60voqh2.gif
7. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/82/pain78sikz7.gif
8. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5428/pain87noow5.gif
9. http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2854/pain96igsp9.gif
10. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5413/pain105hfib7.gif
11. http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2073/pain118iijg1.gif

oh, and torch is not just faster in flight. he can run/move at superhuman speeds on the ground while ignited:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/mm003-08.jpg




BTW:gambit has peak human speed when charged, not superhuman.

Originally posted by namorsubby
BTW:gambit has peak human speed when charged, not superhuman. But superhuman agility.

oh, and concering wolverine. let's look at this "logically":


if torch incinerates him.......there's going to be nothing left but that skeleton. so he's done

gambit:

"As a result, his mutation has increased his body's innate physical qualities ( such as speed, reflexes/reactions, stamina, agility, flexibility, dexterity, coordination, balance, and endurance) to the very limit of natural human capability"

Originally posted by namorsubby
1)torch has superspeed well above any of their's in the air. if he can catch and target a jet plane, or numerous planes at a time, i'm sure he could catch them. That was never in question.

He still has to catch three of them individually while the others are completely active.

Originally posted by namorsubby
2) how will they get to him besides gambit? torch still has the shield going for him though.and like i said, torch seems to thrive in explosions anyway.his flame also makes him super-durable:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/Invaders_32-03.jpg
Wolverine will stab him.

Beast will... throw something at him? Or just distract him.

Originally posted by namorsubby
3) torch can concentrate his flame in all directions. and with a flame hot enough to melt ironman and burn namor, who here is gonna endure it?:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/Invaders40_16.jpg

That doesn't show him using flame in all directions.


Originally posted by namorsubby
oh, and if you think gambit is one of those people who can end this in a couple of shots. ask yourself, is a kinectically charged card from gambit stronger than the explosive force of an artillery shell? or this?:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/humantorch03-40.jpg Yes.

Originally posted by namorsubby
gambit:

"As a result, his mutation has increased his body's innate physical qualities ( such as speed, reflexes/reactions, stamina, agility, flexibility, dexterity, coordination, balance, and endurance) to the very limit of natural human capability" Congratulations on your ability to quote a bio.

Anyways, I'm done here.

namorsubby if your not gonna give the benefit of the doubt to the opposing team feats, what the point of making this thread?

Originally posted by Cavalier
That was never in question.

He still has to catch three of them individually while the others are completely active.

Wolverine will stab him.

Beast will... throw something at him? Or just distract him.


That doesn't show him using flame in all directions.


Yes. he still runs/moves/flys at superhuman speeds.

i guess you have no idea how many pounds of explosive force an artillery shell has. more than a single card from gambit, that's for sure.

wolverine will stab him? in the sky? what's he's gonna do, jump?
really, gambit's cards are the only thing that could reach him in flight......and only to a certain point.

that scan does show him using flame in all directions. 2 planes explode and the debris went all over flying towards the ground. he incinerated it all.

Before I put the pwned sign over my head lets look back to some other times. Before this lets compare two things. I was already aware of the claws and how they always heart going out and coming back in. Thing about your entire body being burning, and to make it worse your own bones are still heated meaning you can't escape the pain. Which is worse a few seconds of pain from your claws coming out of smelling your skin burn as your bones keep hurting it from the inside?


Now back in some recent comics, Wolverine didn't cope to well with pain. Remember when Hulk explained to him what happens to a boxer? Yeah Wolverine was suffering beyond belief.

How about when Magneto pulled all his metal from his bones out of his skin? Wolverine wasn't coping to with with that either. So it really depends on what level of pain when Wolverine won't do something. Remember when his own son ripped his stomach open? Yeah that time he didn't cope to well either.

So Wolverine won't act like the fire burning away at him is nothing. Just think back to when Nitro exploded next to him.

Originally posted by vansonbee
namorsubby if your not gonna give the benefit of the doubt to the opposing team feats, what the point of making this thread? huh?

i don't understand. i said if gambit floors them they could win, and wolverine could endure some flame, but i don't really understand what you mean when you say i'm not giving them "the benefit of the doubt".

Originally posted by namorsubby
huh?

i don't understand. i said if gambit floors them they could win, and wolverine could endure some flame, but i don't really understand what you mean when you say i'm not giving them "the benefit of the doubt". Means I hate you .










































lolz jk

you voted "screw namorsubby", didn't you?

Originally posted by namorsubby
you voted "screw namorsubby", didn't you? No! That a waste of a good vote*

I went with team. Behalf of everyone on forum, SCREW NAMORSUBBY everyday!

i would've voted screw namorsubby if i was anyone here. really, i'd hate myself if i wasn't me..........good thing i am though, it gives me an excuse to love myself.

Originally posted by Cavalier
Anyways, I'm done here.


you know at least one thing.

Originally posted by namorsubby
oh, and torch is not just faster in flight. he can run/move at superhuman speeds on the ground while ignited:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/mm003-08.jpg




BTW:gambit has peak human speed when charged, not superhuman.

Your opinion on it doesn't really matter. On-panel, Gambit's shown low-level superhuman speed...pretty much always.

Gambit's projectiles can take Jim out.

Beast can fastball special Wolverine into Jim.

While he's distracted trying to attack Gambit and Wolverine, Beast could climb up the stadium and sneak attack Jim. Teamwork at it's best.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Your opinion on it doesn't really matter. On-panel, Gambit's shown low-level superhuman speed...pretty much always.

Gambit's projectiles can take Jim out.

Beast can fastball special Wolverine into Jim.

While he's distracted trying to attack Gambit and Wolverine, Beast could climb up the stadium and sneak attack Jim. Teamwork at it's best. so jim's fiery aura can render him invulnerable to artillery shells and he has a history of thriving in explosions..........but gambit can still take him out?

with more than a few cards, and without jim making a forcefield(why wouldn't he), yeah, i agree.

so beast is going to throw wolverine fast enough to hit torch in flight when he has outmanuevered planes and is faster than a jet? what's to stop jim from putting up a shield or smacking him back into the ground with a fire ball? he smacked namor, who can actually fly and is much more resistance/durable into the water with a fireball:http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/Invaders_41_28.gif



nice little scenario.that is creative, but torch is not gonna be distracted so long that that would work.hell, can you even explain how beast jumps on him and doesn't get scroched?

Originally posted by Metalmanx


Beast can fastball special Wolverine into Jim.



no. he can't.

Colossus can because he's CL100.

Beast isn't even close.

consider me a tailor.........because i've got this sewn up.

Jim gets raped here. Gambit? Wolverine? Beast? Wolvie and Gambit could more than likely solo the fight.

explain please.

Jim takes this easily.

no way.

Originally posted by namorsubby
no way.


Wolverine and Beast can't do anything but try and dodge and Jim could possibly just absorb Remy's explosions if not just fry his ***.

Wolverine is physically stronger, has a healing factor, adamantium skeleton. Any fire used at him will be healed.

Gambit would just charge the hell out of him. Don't let him grab his head and just overcharge it.

Throw in the acrobatic beast who can dodge just as good as the rest if not better with even more skills and enhanced abilities. Jim gets raped.

Dude can fly or speedblitz. What's to stop him from reducing Wolverine to skeleton like Nitro did?

Nothing, but what's stopping him from regenerating? Is Jim a killer? Does he even have enough speed blitz? I don't know, but has he ever tried to kill someone who isn't evil?

gambit's going to grab jim hammond and charge him?

he'll disenegrate first.

jim could turn wolverine into a adamantium skeleton with one blast.

how will beast get close?

he starts in flight. they can't fly. gambit's cards are the only remedy......he may be able to absorb them......if not, he's could dodge them with super-sonic speed or block them with a forcefield.or maybe he could just resist them with a fiery aura that renders artillery shells useless.


torch can concentrate his flame in all directions outward. and with a flame that killed ironman and scorched namor..........none of them would survive within his kill range.

Originally posted by Starscream M
no. he can't.

Colossus can because he's CL100.

Beast isn't even close.

Yes. He can. Beast can lift a few tons. Wolverine is 300 lbs. It'd be like throwing a baseball.

Plus? He has done it. I have the comic right here in my hands. X-Men #1 (the revamped Uncanny X-Men, starting in 1991)., pg 44.

Therefore, I stand by one of my original theories for the X-Men winning.

Wolverine won't just regenerate from something like that in seconds. You really can't pove anything Logan or Beast could do to Torch while flying.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yes. He can. Beast can lift a few tons. Wolverine is 300 lbs. It'd be like throwing a baseball.

Plus? He has done it. I have the comic right here in my hands. X-Men #1 (the revamped Uncanny X-Men, starting in 1991)., pg 44.

Therefore, I stand by one of my original theories for the X-Men winning. so i'll repost my original post:

so jim's fiery aura can render him invulnerable to artillery shells and he has a history of thriving in explosions..........but gambit can still take him out?

with more than a few cards, and without jim making a forcefield(why wouldn't he), yeah, i agree.

so beast is going to throw wolverine fast enough to hit torch in flight when he has outmanuevered planes and is faster than a jet? what's to stop jim from putting up a shield or smacking him back into the ground with a fire ball? he smacked namor, who can actually fly and is much more resistance/durable, into the water with a fireball:http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/...aders_41_28.gif



nice little scenario.that is creative, but torch is not gonna be distracted so long that that would work.hell, can you even explain how beast jumps on him and doesn't get scroched?

I hope you aren't saying that artillery shells or explosions are more powerful than Gambit's kinetic energy. Beast is a genius as well, he just isn't going to throw Logan aimlessly. He analyze his flight pattern and anticipate where he is going and throw there.

i hope you're not saying that the blast force from a single kinetic card is stronger than that of typical artillery shells fired from a tank. really, i hope not.

the guy outmanuevers planes. beast is not hitting him with logan. even if it starts to look like he will. torch could make a force field, or do what he did to namor.........no doubt it will be far more effective in stopping wolverine.

is beast throwing logan or gambit throwing cards faster than ironcross' beams?

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/Invaders_37_15.jpg


edit:

oh, and btw, ironcross is extremely formiddable. he gave namor a bit of trouble......and a good hook.

humantorch

Jim gets raped so hard it's ridiculous.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Jim gets raped so hard it's ridiculous. again, explain


how? how does he have no chance of winning this encounter? how does he get "raped"? what? cause you've heard of them and not him, right?

Originally posted by namorsubby
again, explain


how? how does he have no chance of winning this encounter? how does he get "raped"? Because Wolverine on his own can stand against him. Adding Beast and Gambit + prep makes this thread redundant.

Do I really have to explain how one gets raped?

In Jim's case, it has to do with his colon, and Wolverine's dewey.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Because Wolverine on his own can stand against him. Adding Beast and Gambit + prep makes this thread redundant.

Do I really have to explain how one gets raped?

In Jim's case, it has to do with the colon, and Wolverine's dewey. that's ridiculous. one concentrated blast from jim could incinerate gambit and beast and turn wolverine into a skeleton. one.

he can fly. who's gonna get him in the air?

he's absorbed the strength of and thrived in explosions before.not to mention he has a fire aura that renders artillery useless. who's to say gambit's cards can even hurt him?

Does he really have no qualms with killing heroes?

who says he knows they're heroes?

i'm not saying jim is bloodlusted. if he was........this just might be considered spite. but saying these guys win easily is crazy.........and only shows me how much one knows of the jim hammond as a character.

Originally posted by namorsubby
that's ridiculous. one concentrated blast from jim could incinerate gambit and beast and turn wolverine into a skeleton. one.

he can fly. who's gonna get him in the air?

he's absorbed the strength of and thrived in explosions before.not to mention he has a fire aura that renders artillery useless. who's to say gambit's cards can even hurt him? Wolverine was able to get up and walk away after being in molten lava...
Also, all three of his combatants are ridiculously agile as well.

Wolverine can jump 50 feet in the air, Gambit has long range attacks, and is that how he fought, or is that how you want him to fight?

Wouldn't that mean he's essentially rendering kinetic energy useless?

KMC Rules states that both sides receive basic knowledge about each other so he will know they are heroes thus I don't think he'll go for the kill. Wolverine probably would and maybe Gambit like a 5% chance of him going for the kill but Beast won't at all.

Originally posted by namorsubby
this just might be considered spite. but saying these guys win easily is crazy.........and only shows me how much one knows of the jim hammond as a character. It couldn't be you, no of course it can't.

It seems you know little of the combatants, and are infatuated with Jim.
If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say you're quite a bit bias.

We don't overrate Jim, so we must not know the character? Are you serious? What a typical fanboy response.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Let's see some of these blasts. Also, all three of his combatants are ridiculously agile as well.

Wolverine can jump 50 feet in the air, Gambit has long range attacks, and is that how he fought, or is that how you want him to fight?

Wouldn't that mean he's essentially rendering kinetic energy useless? jim hammond has no problem catching and disabling planes and jets/ outmanuevering them. wolverine's not going to jump on him, and they're not just going to evade him endlessly......or even for long.

like i said, jim came out of an atomic bomb explosion stronger. and has laughed at things like a rocket melting on his back and exploding. he's walked out of explosions several times with no signs of injuries whatsoever. who's to say whether a kinetic energy explosion will do anything to him?

jim can make forcefields from flame that stop several artillery shells in their track. he has also sent namor flying with a fireball after having endured being smacked by a stone pillar........from namor. wolverin is not jumping up and gutting him. he'll jump and get sent right back down.....hard

Originally posted by Red Hulk
It couldn't be you, no of course it can't.

It seems you know little of the combatants, and are infatuated with Jim.
If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say you're quite a bit bias.

We don't overrate Jim, so we must not know the character? Are you serious? What a typical fanboy response. my god.


give me one example of me overrating hammond. all i have done was state feats directly accessible to anyone here via my thread and base my statements on those.my guess is you don't know enough about him to know whether i'd be overratiing him anyway. since you say he gets "raped' by this team when he consistently has duked it out with namor over the years. oh, and he once killed ironman

please no ABC logic here. I already stated why I say your scenario won't work. I guess that you know that he wouldn't kill heroes so he's not going to incinerate them with one blast.

i'm not sure whether he'd kill them. but he definitely kills enemies.


abc logic is appliable when the opponent who jim fought is vastly superior to the lot.

don't tell me you still think he gets raped? even after my statement of abc logic?

Originally posted by namorsubby
i'm not sure whether he'd kill them. but he definitely kills enemies.



Yeah at the moment they're enemies but at the end of the day both teams are still heroes and he won't try to kill them. As said before there is nothing he can do to really put Wolverine down.

wolverin regenerating from a skeleton is ridiculous........i know it happened once in his continuity.......but come on.


he'd be out of commission if he was a skeleton anyway, so it's still a lose.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
It couldn't be you, no of course it can't.

It seems you know little of the combatants, and are infatuated with Jim.
If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say you're quite a bit bias.

We don't overrate Jim, so we must not know the character? Are you serious? What a typical fanboy response. i just can't believe this statement.

1) what can beast even do? in most situations at least.

2) i've stated feats that suggest jim might be able absorb gambit's energy. and although i'm sure 2 or 2 cards won't do jack, here's what i aid about that:

"with more than a few cards, and without jim making a forcefield(why wouldn't he), yeah, i agree"( about gambit's explosive force being able to take out hammond)

3. the notion that wolverine will jump up and gut hammond is ridiculous, considering the feats i've stated. that doesn't mean i'm know little of wolverine or am infatuated with jim


here's what i said concerning this match earlier:

" think the team wins if gambit can floor him with an explosive. wolverine could get through some amount of his flame and end it"


i'm not biased. and those definitely aren't the words of a fanboy. i resent that accusation

no he'll regenerate back and keep fighting. Who says he loses if he gets reduced to a skeleton? If he can keep fighting then he doesn't lose.

Originally posted by namorsubby
jim hammond has no problem catching and disabling planes and jets/ outmanuevering them. wolverine's not going to jump on him, and they're not just going to evade him endlessly......or even for long.

like i said, jim came out of an atomic bomb explosion stronger. and has laughed at things like a rocket melting on his back and exploding. he's walked out of explosions several times with no signs of injuries whatsoever. who's to say whether a kinetic energy explosion will do anything to him?

jim can make forcefields from flame that stop several artillery shells in their track. he has also sent namor flying with a fireball after having endured being smacked by a stone pillar........from namor. wolverin is not jumping up and gutting him. he'll jump and get sent right back down.....hard Planes aren't very agile...

So, he takes basically something that has to do with his power, and turns it into a power source for himself? Didn't he get extinguished by a burst of air? Who's to say kinetic energy won't do the same thing?

He didn't make forcefields... he basically made the nukes explode with flame...

He would basically be jumping through fire, and Wolverine has the momentum, and sheer willpower to make it through.

Originally posted by namorsubby
my god.


give me one example of me overrating hammond. all i have done was state feats directly accessible to anyone here via my thread and base my statements on those.my guess is you don't know enough about him to know whether i'd be overratiing him anyway. since you say he gets "raped' by this team when he consistently has duked it out with namor over the years. oh, and he once killed ironman You're acting so smug that you believe this thread is a spite thread. Certainly one indication of overrating him when you believe that everyone else is wrong.

That's laughable. I don't know anything about him because I believe he gets raped here? I'm sorry, I should have asked you, the Moses of Jim before I came up with my opinion. Won't happen again boss.

Is that what you're basing it on? Duking out with Namor? First off, intense heat would evaporate the water in Namor, and second, Wolverine has a winning record against Namor...

It only melted the circuits of his armor...

Anyway, bed.

oh please don't bring those namor/wolverine fights into this. if you've seen a list of who namor hasn beaten and stalemated in the past, you'd realize how ridiculous you are using that as so called "evidence". thor is on the list multiple times. so is hulk. and captain marvel. and blackbolt. and beta ray bill. and hercules.and abomination......you don't wanna get into this.

besides, the force of his fire blast was enough to send namor "flying" when he actually was flying with force instead of jumping.


besides besides, what's gonna happen if wolverine gets up there(not gonna happen) and he's a skeleton when he reaches him? jim moves superhumanly quick in the air anyway.theres no way logans gonna jump fast enough to get hammond in the air.this is ridiculous


the fields are solid. he can make fire solid. he once walked up a ladder he made out of flame.

who's heat attack has ever penetrated ironman's armor to melt his circuits besides jim's? stop undermining him.his flame is hot enough that he once burned his way to the center of the earth. he canceled out lightning from thor with a fireball. he overwhelmed Loga,THE GOD OF FIRE, with his flame.


it seems you're assuming a lot. do you really think this team would still "rape" him?

and furthermore, namor has one of the highest tolerances for temperature extremes out there. the dehydration thing doesn't even really come into play when they fight.

you really think these guys would own him so badly, but you say it's "laughable" that i'd say you don't know him because of it. you can't be reading the feats i'm writing out for you.

i didn't say this match could be considered spite. i said hammond bloodlusted. you seem to think it could be though, just for the xteam though.......which is crazy.

who's everyone else? you're wrong because i'm guessing you don't know much about him. you wanna tell me you knew those feats before i posted them? can you even tell me you knew enough to accurately determine the outcome of this match? really? cause it's seems you're guessing a lot. about his forcefields. about his speed in the air. about his flame and heat output.etc

i dont care what any of u ppl say tht dominates

is that "tht", as in "the human torch"?


humantorch

bump.

i liked this match.

Originally posted by namorsubby
so jim's fiery aura can render him invulnerable to artillery shells and he has a history of thriving in explosions..........but gambit can still take him out?

with more than a few cards, and without jim making a forcefield(why wouldn't he), yeah, i agree.

so beast is going to throw wolverine fast enough to hit torch in flight when he has outmanuevered planes and is faster than a jet? what's to stop jim from putting up a shield or smacking him back into the ground with a fire ball? he smacked namor, who can actually fly and is much more resistance/durable into the water with a fireball:http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/original%20human%20torch/Invaders_41_28.gif



nice little scenario.that is creative, but torch is not gonna be distracted so long that that would work.hell, can you even explain how beast jumps on him and doesn't get scroched?

Dude, he may be fast enough to dodge a speed blitz from beast and Wolverine, but he also has to deal with Gambit throwing kinetic energy at him (not just cards which would make them able to hit him unlike artillery shells which can be melted). I don't think you can melt energy. So, it's not that he's not fast, it's just that he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head either.

Originally posted by namorsubby
and furthermore, namor has one of the highest tolerances for temperature extremes out there. the dehydration thing doesn't even really come into play when they fight.


Uhhh. yes it does. If he needs water, and he gets dehydrated, Namor can't fight can he? This is a mismatch.

Originally posted by namorsubby
bump.

i liked this match.

You liked this match? It seems the only reason you made this match is because you wanted to explain to everyone why he would own all three of them easily?

own? easily?



where do you people get these conclusions from?

check my posts, really.


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