League of Champions Week Five: Charlotte Vs. Scoob/Leo

illadelph12

Heh ... 5 whole minutes to spare!

big grin

Scoob & Leo - (desperately trying to even out our 1 & 2 record)

embarrasment

Team:

Ultimo
Shift
Diablo
Quicksilver
Cortez
Cho

Prep will be performed in Pre-Psycho-Wanda Avengers Mansion (QS's base)

Quicksilver/Amadeus amalgamate - 2 minutes Cortez boosts the creation to a safe but powerful degree.

Ultimo/Diablo/Shift amalgamate - 6 minutes

Quickcho immediately speedhacks through the computers (made easier with QS' access codes) and goes through the Avengers records searching for specific data.

1. psi blockers/scramblers
2. information on the atomic structure of adamantium
3. information on the atomic structure of antarctic vibranium (Anti-Metal)

If this info is not available on the Avengers servers then he hacks SHIELD for it, if they haven't got it (which they do) he'll access Department H, etc, etc ....

Cho has already shown that with his regular cyber skills he can take down SHIELD all by himself ... with QS' power upgrading his thinking speed by a hell of a lot then further boosted by Cortez I see no reason he couldn't find and steal any of this info within a couple of minutes tops.

Once this info is gathered, Quicksilver and Cho demalgamate (is that a word?)

Quicksilver then amalgamates with the Ultimo/Diablo/Shift creation - a further 2 minutes.

The info would all have been gathered in the 4 extra minutes it took the others to merge ... plus maybe 1 extra minute (margin for error)

Cortez amps the 4 man amalgamation beyond regular levels

Cortez & Cho are now fairly vulnerable, so the amalgam, we'll call him Mercury, uses his combined abilities to create a small compartment within his own body where they will reside for the duration of the match, they will have radio/video hook ups in order to monitor the fight and convey any advice/tactics.

With this info now available, the knowledge and powers of Shift & Diablo use the info to create head to toe grade A adamantium armour for their Ultimo shaped body. This armour in no way hinders the giants ability to move ... to top this off we will also be coating the giant with a layer of Vibranium (the regular kind) which Diablo/Shift can create on demand already.

(the anti metal knowledge is something we downloaded just in case it's needed)

http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vibranium1kv5.jpg

They also recreate the psi scramblers and each remaining member of the team is given their own, even Mercury takes one as a precaution (even though he's part robot and probably wont need it ... better safe than sorry though)

This will all, obviously, be done at amazing superspeed thanks to QS' involvement.

The instant the match starts we create a dome shield most of the way over us:

http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield1dl4.jpg

CDB may or may not be able to phase through it but it will certainly slow/stop any initial attack .... if it does crack we'll have more than enough time with QS' boosted reaction speed to evade anything that could be thrown at us ... on the slim chance something does get through and connects, I seriously doubt it's going to damage our vibranium/adamantium armour.

So we're starting off impervious to physical, energy and psionic attacks.

hmm... that doesn't leave much to be worried about.

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As for our offense, we'll be keeping things simple to begin with.

Using Diablo's knowledge, Shift's ability to become/create any chemicals & Quicksilver's speed enhanced further by Ultimo's size, we'll be moving at tourney cap speeds blanketing the area with these concoctions:

You'll either fall asleep:

http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diablo03cq6.jpg

Be knocked out:

1. http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kosthethinggf7.jpg
2. http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ko1vg6.jpg

Or be paralysed:

http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=paralasys1eg6.jpg

Not the most violent choices considering we're a gigantic engine of destruction ... but we can always follow them up by speedily squishing your team beneath a massive adamantium foot.

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Basic summary:

We're impervious to any attack.
CBD's team is unconscious.
We're faster, larger and stronger.
We can adapt to any situation.

I look forward to seeing what we're up against.

w00t!

big grin

Charlotte DeBel

Charlotte's post #1

Wow, you guys couldn't come with anything better that brutally plagiarising my Shifter plan from Red's last tourney? I expected better from you...

Really, really predicable plan. Expect you're a solid giant robot for that smile

But first let's deal with a "few" misconceptions.
First of all, despite what you're thinking our mobility>>>your mobility. Not only ALL THREE of my team members are able to move and fly on tourney cap speeds, we can teleport across the batttlefield easily.

That also ruins your anti-metal stuff. In fact, you're either producing it in miniscule amouths (and forcefield that shielded from Superman's attacks is sufficient defence against vibrations), or destroying your own tech with it.

The waves travel slowly and simple teleportation behind concrete wall ruins the chance of that part of your plan affecting us:
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/antimetalshield4.jpg

Ironman is saved by Black Panther here, and our team members are either far away from you at the start (Sybil and Emeralda), or have reaction speeds of Superman-light (War Dancer). Also, those vibrations do dissolve photonic SHIELD generator there, but it's a shield, hard-light replica of Cap America one, and thus has little area of coverage compared to body-covering forcefields we're using. Vibrations (not energy waves) got around shield. Getting around omnidirectional skin-tight forcefields=impossible. So your anti-metal goes to hell.

More examples of antimetal vibrations (that's VIBRATIONS, not radiation, it make metal resonate and dissolve) being blocked by very simple stuff, such as glacial ice.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/antimetalshield.jpg
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/antimetalshield2.jpg
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/DarkCrawler90/antimetalshield3.jpg

As for the "SHIELD-designed psi-blockers"... I seriously hope you aren't referring to those:

http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0007cm2.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0008sv6.jpg
Not standart stuff, but Extremis Iron Man vaunted psi-defences, which are supposed to be BETTER than standart stuff.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2623/emma35qj.jpg
Or those?

http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen205005rd6.jpg
They've made more advanced model for Sentinel pilots later, but even that is\was bypassed eventually- with ridiculos ease and WHILE coordinating X-Men in Antarctica from Werchester without Cerebra.

So...telepathic\cyberpathic assault works just well. Teleporting inside Mercury and killing its inhabitants (Supermanified Lex can detect radio waves) and then blasting it from inside- works even better.

Your gas attacks. I've already shown Lex's forcefield allowing him to survive in space. It won't let any gases in. So your gas attack is...ineffective.

And it's even more uneffective on Emeralda.
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tt060012bi4.jpg
Martian physiology makes poisons and drugs designed for humans\human metas less effective on Miss Martian.

Emma controls her own brain chemistry via her psionic powers- the best mental surgeon in MU isn't a title gained for nothing.
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen201008ya3.jpg

Also, it's horrible if used in jungles against highly mobile shielded targets. And by horrible I mean horribly uneffective.

Slightest alteration of humidity, such as dive into the lake, and they might as well not be there (protective forcefields is effective in that regard as well).
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1217461_Alpha_Flight_103_p18/

Also the weak point of Diablo's chemicals is that they're either environment-sensitive or extremely short-living. If you try to speed up reactions- you may as well PWN yourself.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1217493_Alpha_Flight_103_p03/

A simple dam to alter currents in the lake was all that was needed to cancel "water into vinegar" transformation.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1217511_Alpha_Flight_102_p17/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1217512_Alpha_Flight_102_p18/

So...where do you see the edge, darlings?

leonidas

all righty, back in the saddle.

first, i'd request a halt to this match to get a ruling on lex's armor. IF cdb drafted lex for 10pts, the armor is illegal. i have a pm from ill that specifically says that if the armor is brought in, lex=30pts. i can produce it if needed.

thing is, i'm not 100% sure cdb DID draft lex at 10. if you paid 30 for him, cdb, my bad. embarrasment

if you paid 10, the armor must be ruled illegal. erm

now then, first, let's deal with our supposed 'psi-vulnerability'. allow me to introduce cassanadra. now, cassandra was one of the enormously formidable gatherers who beat down the avengers a few times. here, she gets annoyed and unleashes a brutal psi-assault:

http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers355p21vr5.jpg

what was the result of said attack? well, with that single psi-attack, she ko'd thor, hercules AND SERSI! she ko'd the rest as well, INCLUDING THE PSI-RESISTANT VISION:

http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers355p22od8.jpg

that is one of the best single psi attacks i've ever seen. now, let's look at the rematch:

http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers363p08jv2.jpg

dane's PSIONIC ARMOR completely negated the attack. that's why we chose the avengers HQ. those schematics (dane is black knight, btw) would be easily accessible and with cho and QS's amped speed, recreating them (or simply pulling them out of storage . . . why on earth would they have been thrown out? confused

) would be easy. if said armor can protect against a psionic attack capable of wiping out HERALD LEVEL BEINGS, i'm afraid YOUR psionic assaults will be . . . less than successful. smile

so, issue #1 PSIONIC VULNERABILITY--dealt with.

issue #2: you have a maneuverability advantage.

http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teleportln1.jpg

we can teleport just as easily, think faster than you and have faster reaction times. there are other teleporting scans available upon request.

so, issue #2--cdb's people are more maneuverable--dealt with.

umm, what else does she offer in terms of offense? confused

even if lex DOES have his powers (i'd like proof--and i'd imagine any judge would ALSO like proof--that that gene CAN be turned back on . . .) he's not gonna do a damn thing to our adamantium hide. without your TP, you're relegated to trying to beat us physically. trying to tackle an adamantium ultimo that attacks at mach 10 is NOT a recipe for success, i'm afraid. erm

and read her BATTLE section over if you don't believe me--she mentions her TP attack, and she mentions blasting with energy and magic.

we are invulnerable to her TP, and adamantium makes us immune to her other attacks. she has even LESS offense than digi! heh we on the other hand can quite literally SQUASH any of her charaters in one hand, or use our disintegration beams to wipe them out. we have LOADS more options, but frankly see no reason to bring them up. i ask anyone: what can she possibly do against a giant robot that is stronger, faster, more maneuverable and utterly impervious to damage? confused

oh, and ps--i too would love to see some of these speed feats that you believe somehow make you our equal in speed. please. smile

illadelph12

Lex's armor would be illegal for use since Lex was drafted at 10 pts (akin to drafting Tony Stark without the Ironman Armor for 10 pts then bringing the suit).

An armored Lex would be equal to Ironman and cost 30 pts. Charlotte drafted him at 10 pts (unequipped) and therefore would not have access to the armor.

Sorry Charlotte, I have to be consistent.

Charlotte DeBel

Post #2

Well, the ready-made suit is illegal, and I agree on that. However, creating one from scratch in the prep via magic is legal- so...we can just recreate one from scratch via magic (like it was done in rds 1-3), not take ready-made one (which is not standart equipment anyway, Iron Man's suit is integral part of his body now and it's his standart equipment).
But now to your points:

Nice try, darling smile

Well, first of all- not "fried".
"The exogene would recover in seconds".
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1219616_DC52Week40-020/

Then he gets KOed and while he lies unconscious, stuff happened preventing him from repairing the exogene.
The Everyman facility was destroyed in the same arc and lawsuit was brought against Lex, so he never had chance to recover powers granted to him. So...he can't restart it, but it had nothing to do with it turned off irreparably.

Now to organic matter manip you need proof of:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1125005_05/
Human into mermaid. On genetic level.

As for typo- I keep confusing English and Russian spelling of Mach (russian version spells with X at the end). Sorry on that.

And to your prep:

You darlings do know the difference between an actual technopath and a hacker with superspeed? The speed of you downloading information depends on the operating speed of your workstation, not on how fast you can type or move mouse. The amalgam is pointless and the time of getting all that information is rougly equal to the one Cho would get at normal speed- all you speeded up is his ability to input information. Not the speed you get it on. It's not Speed Force-enhanced Black Box you're using there.

Also, since when can Shift copy unknown material simply by formula? He usulally needs physical or visual contact with sample to copy it:
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=outsidersv312hunterrosejq9.jpg
With adamantium you need to be extremely careful (I do think the same stuff is valid to vibranium). For one stable form it's ton of unstable poisonous isotopes sharing the same chemical formula:
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen191018gg1.jpg

The chances of getting wrong one by being guided only by chemical formula is extremely high. A grade adamantium my ass smile

Also, vibranium=\=adamantium. It does absorb kinetic energy, but it's less durable.

Charlotte DeBel

Oh, a little clarification from Ill:

So... copying existing one or recreating it via magic is legal, as long as the real deal doesn't leave prep area.
Our team got plenty of expertise with armour recreation in rds 1-3, Sybil has technological skills of Stu Clarke and there's mindlink with Lex for additional guidance.

We simply recreate existing suit, without taking real deal from prep area. Legal? Yes. Pwns you? Yes. Simple duplication spell would be enough, since the sample of real one is in prep area.

No speed feats?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1175459_DC52Week40-018/
Blitzing Steel while going "intangible" on super speed to phase though the hammer.
Yeah. You're right. No speed feats. LOL.

Charlotte DeBel

Now to your psi-blockers part.

You use that scan of standart psi-bafflers of Reed's desing. The same ones that get bypassed eventually.
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiscreensrh2.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=59066hc.jpg
The end result. And you do know that Emma is > Pre-Shaman Nate in terms of skills? And I've shown her bypassing various kinds of psi-defences with ridiculous ease.

As for Whitman stuff you're adressing there...
http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers363p08jv2.jpg

You DO KNOW that was retconned?
http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenannual001033vs7.jpg
Exodus attacks the flagship of SHIELD. Maria Hill and her crew either don't have any psi-blockers or they're uneffective against telepath of that level.
http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenannual001035jx6.jpg
The telepath Rogue refers to is Emma- Xavier was depowered back then.

Exodus himself admits that Emma is his equal in terms of skill (she's the last of five listed).
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9914/93421844ou4.jpg

Emma shows that those aren't idle words by stalemating Exodus.
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan05xz7.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan12ff6.jpg

Emma's psi-interference (from Werchester to Antarctica without Cerebra)>Exodus psi-interference.

Emma temportary depowers Exodus long enough to have him PWNed by Nightcrawler.
http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen205006ey1.jpg
http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen205007kt5.jpg

On the other hand, Exodus' psi-interference is relatively insignificant to Emma (she manages to psi-freeze Harpoon regardless of that).
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan20aw1.jpg

Now, does Emma >Exodus in raw psi-power? Definetley no, but she's his equal in skill. She has successfuly ignored or bypassed various kinds of psi-defences. Your (retconned) psi-blockers from god forgotten 80ies won't make any difference there.

That's provided you GET them, as the most complex things Shift was shown to create were relatively simple mechanical devises (such as chainguns), not complex electronics. You don't have him amalgamate with someone with good engineering skill, neither you're mind-synching him with one.
So you most likely won't have said psi-blockers (providing they're not retconned).

Charlotte DeBel

Charlotte's scans-only post #1

First, we'll deal with Emeralda and why mental reserve is important for Martians.

http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=regrow28mx.jpg
Martians reproduce not in the way we humans do, they cut off parts of their body mass and then combine them to create a child. As long as psyche stays intact, the body can be cloned, regrown etc. The mind is prime over body for Martian. A martian "child" body can be "aged" to "adult" form instantly providing it posesses "adult" psyche\mental reserve.

http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fernus3ws5.jpg
Martians' physical powers are deeply connected to their TP, mental reserve. Weak mental reserve- weak Martian. They STUDY, train their mental reserve and thus achieve their physical prowess. The only things that are not affected by TP reserve increase based on the scan is invisibility and intangibility (and probably Martian vision).

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220080_06/
M'gann left her mental reserve untrained after her parents died, she restrained herself by the "code of the rules". That's why future personality of M'gann tries to trick her into breaking the "rules" and receiving mental training (in Teen Titans #62 M'gann leaves the team to get one, as evil persona starts dominate and M'gann subconsiously shifts in her true form in front of her teammates).

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220268_01/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220084_11-12/
More proof of undeveloped mental training\lots of restrains compared to normal Martian. "Weakness" for Martians is weakness of psyche (meaning that one can never develop stable mental reserve), not the one of body.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220272_Teen_Titans_053-15/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220279_Teen_Titans_053-18/
The evil adult personality tries to destroy M'gann's restraining barriers with TP. Result- physical form gets torn to shreds, more experienced mind survives inside that timeline's body (the physical body not only gets destroyed,but it gets retconned from timeline).

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220297_06/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220299_07/
Personality survives and later temporary separates into new body after Disruptor's blast.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220314_14/
Adult personality in charge uses M'gann's powers more effectively than the real deal (like planting TP suggestions into minds of people to fabricate false documents for M'gann).

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220199_19/
The mind over body thing is why Miss Martian separates into two bodies when hit with the blast from Disruptor (the evil personality is forced to "separate" wink

. A new body is "offshooted" for a second mind, once two minds are separated.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2138/uncxmenv131307rougherkk7.jpg
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http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8950/uncannyxmen314large19jg3.jpg
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The guy suffering from the same problem- great potential yet due to the lack of training and CIS he uses but a tiny margin of it. Emma provides quick remedy.

Now, to the Mach speeds\superhuman reflexes part.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/993022_Picture14_010/
I'm starting with the simple thing such as keeping up with\outspeeding supersonic jet.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/993249_05/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993268_06/
Reflexes\reaction feat. In time needed for guardian to look at Cyborg's direction she shapeshanges into Robin, takes his place and pushes real deal aside.

And since due to "undeveloped psyche" part fixed Emeralda is close to peak Martian now, I'm adding a few scans of said "peak Martians" and their speed feats. Those are not to claim "feats from non-drafted character" but to show a level (since there's no other way to do that).
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6514/flash1xy0.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5810/flash2ye7.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomics010.jpg
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomics011.jpg
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomics012.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomics005.jpg
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomics006.jpg

Next part is durability, strength etc
http://www.picamatic.com/view/882323_Teen_Titans_048_-_page_12/
Blunt force punch from Supergirl, who is >Ultimo, does very little to M'gann.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/882452_Teen_Titans_49_page_17/
Strength feat- stops a train with passengers from derailing. With more trained psyche with more developed mental reserve she'll be even stronger.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220256_18/
Invisibility doesn't decrease fighting effectivity (PIS second personality interferring does, but that won't happen in that fight).

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Now to teleportation. I don't think the kind of "teleportation" Diablo uses is going to help you there...with all those unstable isotopes, you know- and that's not combat teleportation.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220365_Alpha_Flight_103_p20/

Now to Amanda's teleportation.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124737_Excalibur_076_p09/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124740_Excalibur_076_p16/
From USA to Bavaria. With passengers.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220399_Excalibur100_20/
Shorter range and after being beaten up by her mom, who is Sorceress Supreme of Earth.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124676_Excalibur_083_p08/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124677_Excalibur_083_p09/
Teleporting others separate from herself

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1125005_05/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124970_06/
Or together with herself. Also continuation of "human to mermaid" scans.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1125047_18/
Teleport in conjunction with paralysing spell

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124985_18/
Some weather manip to blow your gases away (BTW, everyone in the team is equipped with skin-tight forcefield generators, which were duplicated by magical means in prep, so skin contact needed for them to be effective won't happen).

Scoobless

Amalgamated Scoobeo's post #3

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Well, the ready-made suit is illegal, and I agree on that. However, creating one from scratch in the prep via magic is legal- so...we can just recreate one from scratch via magic

Within the 8 minute window? (after amalgamating time is taken out) along with everything else you claim to be doing?

let's see:

Mind linking solo characters - not too long.

Reactivating defunct meta-gene (Using Magik) - quite a while (probably days at least) considering it's one Lexcorp invention that Lex never had a part in building - he had whole teams of people doing it for him as genetics isn't his strongest field of interest.

Tampering with Oracle's head to dig out Brainiac induced abilities (using Magik again) - quite a while again.

Recreating force field belts - Not sure this is possible, no idea how long it will take.

Mind linking amalgams - not too long again (but it is building up)

And with the proposed prep retcon:

Building Lex type battle armour from scratch (using Magik again) - I'd guess this would take the whole 8 minute prep time by itself.

I personally don't think there's a hope in hell of all of that being completed within 8 minutes, even less so when you take into account that you're proposing that it is almost all done by a single character.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
"The exogene would recover in seconds".
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1219616_DC52Week40-020/

Hyperbole! ... it was never seen to be used again, so you'll need more than that to convince our logic minded judges of success in this area.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Now to organic matter manip you need proof of:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1125005_05/
Human into mermaid. On genetic level.

I'd wager that a whole body transformation is easier for a mage than altering a single gene by a very precise degree (or else the X-Men would have had one of their magic buddies reactivate the mutant gen immediately after HoM)

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
As for typo- I keep confusing English and Russian spelling of Mach (russian version spells with X at the end).

Did not know that ... cool.

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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The speed of you downloading information depends on the operating speed of your workstation

Avengers Mansion has high end Stark tech computers that are probably better than 99% of anything else on the planet, their servers can go operate as fast as the user.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Also, since when can Shift copy unknown material simply by formula? He usulally needs physical or visual contact with sample to copy it:

Maybe but Diablo has centuries of experience dealing with this type of thing, couple that with Shift's powers at Quicksilver's speed and it's all reproduced in moments.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Also, vibranium=\=adamantium. It does absorb kinetic energy, but it's less durable.

Meh, we're still using both.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
No speed feats?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1175459_DC52Week40-018/
Blitzing Steel while going "intangible" on super speed to phase though the hammer.

Um, no!

No! to this being called a "speed feat" and No! to Lex being "intangible".

Steel clearly aimed to free ... his daughter? niece? from the metal chair, the hammer wasn't intended for Lex and did not go through him.

As for it being speedy - all he did was go in a straight line 6 feet across the room and Steel still had time to free the girl, and Steel has no super speed at all.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
You use that scan of standart psi-bafflers of Reed's desing. The same ones that get bypassed eventually.
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiscreensrh2.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=59066hc.jpg

You missed the part where Nate physically tampers with the Thing's psi-bafflers:

1. http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nate1fs5.jpg
2. http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nate2vt1.jpg

Kind of puts that "feat" back into perspective.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
As for Whitman stuff you're adressing there...
http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers363p08jv2.jpg

Exodus attacks the flagship of SHIELD.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9914/93421844ou4.jpg

If you look closely at the Dane scan again, you'll notice that the psi-blockers involved wear rather bulky and obvious to see .... I don't see Maria Hill sporting anything remotely similar in the other pic.

We can incorporate these right into Ultimo's body so that they wont be seen.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
stalemating Exodus.
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan05xz7.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan12ff6.jpg

I see Sand weakening and defeating Exodus, doesn't really matter to our psi shielded robot though.

________________________

Ok, we've been over the psi stuff a few times, we took anything that was currently in Avengers Mansion and recreated some that weren't.

On top of that, we're a giant freakin' robot, robot's are not affected by telepathy in the first place.

Telepathy will not be of help to you in this match.

As for the force field belt stopping the gas idea ... well, what exactly does Lex breathe when wearing these force fields built into his everyday clothest? he isn't wearing oxygen tanks and respirators ... seems obvious that they are designed to buffer physical assaults while still allowing him to breathe, with our potions & gases filling the air you simply wont be able to avoid contacting them.

The main fact is that no one on your team can take down a super fast, super durable, Ultimo.

Nothing you have shown is close to equal to this type of speedblitz:

http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quicksilver1cx7.jpg

You stick Ultimo's mass and strength behind any one of those punches and it would KTFO anyone short of high herald level (and none of your guys are there)

On top of that we're surrounded by trees, we have incredibly intense heat blasts....

1. http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blast1va7.jpg

2. http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blast2dz0.jpg
3. http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blast3xi7.jpg

.... and you have a martian who loses her powers in the presence of fire (which we'll know through Shift)

Time for a barbecue methinks.

One last thing that I noticed during the end stages of our last match, Ultimo adapts to attacks he has been hit with in the past:

1. http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightning0zx5.jpg

Then later:

2. http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightning1dx4.jpg
3. http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightning2ru9.jpg

Add to this that he has a speedsters healing levels now, along with the ability to chemically alter his form and reassemble circuits at an atomic level and nothing that has ever hurt him before should have any affect on him again.

Brings another level to his already nigh-invulnerable status.

Which mean, if you do find any way to do any damage, he'll heal fast and wont be vulnerable to the same attack again (or any of the attacks from the last match either)

Our defense is insurmountable, our speed is unmatched & our power is unsurpassed.

With the forest ablaze and our team forced to breath either potion that will render them unconscious or smoke that will weaken them, it's really only a matter of moments until Mercury crushes the three little soft things in his way.

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1117/ultimo1jh0.th.jpghttp://img503.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Charlotte's scans-only post #1

There are a hell of a lot of arguments and tactics displayed in your "scan only" post.

It's either a match post or it needs to get edited to the point where it is "scan only".

Charlotte DeBel

Charlotte's post #6 (so called "scan-only" goes into the match)

To deal with your claims:

The retcon means simply "recreate something based on the mental model of it" or "replicate pre-existing stuff" as long as real deal doesn't leave prep area (it can be used as sample as long as it isn't used in the battle itself- just like you did with explosive Bat-tech in your first match stuff).

And I won't be using Magik (aka Amanda Sefton) to replicate\recreate things- the transmutation of inorganics isn't her forte (that's why she's drafted for 25 points- she's not good with inorganics).

Zachary, however, is good at transmutation and simply duplicating things he sees isn't beyond his power level.

Examples of his transmuting powers:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993062_01/
Doves into fireworks
http://www.picamatic.com/view/988347_02/
The box of pizza from thin air (though he added less cheese than wanted but it was almost right after date with Raven who has destabilising effect on his concentration- thanks god there's no such distraction there).
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1088164_randommagic/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1091832_controlspigeons/
Living animals from thin air
http://www.picamatic.com/view/992936_World_War_III_Part_Three_pg__07/
Animating stone statues (not actual matter manip, but still)

"Off\on" mechanism was designed by Lex personally. As Natasha states...it was what he added to the project.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1175461_DC52Week40-019/

The thing is that Lex was beaten to the point of becoming comatose while trying to restart "on" button- and then he didn't have access to Everyman project anymore. What's more, the project itself was compromised in the eyes of society, and Lex under pressure decided to try something more...reliable.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1222572_DC52Week40-022/

Lex was comatose and isn't about "restarting" anything. Upon recovering in hospital...well, a lot has changed that made recovering of said superpowers impossible. Most notably Superman restoring his powers and Lex having to go underground.

Also we DO practice recreating tech via mental models in previous rounds, knowing schematics.And having something like holographic images of that tech to look or actual samples to copy from (as long as we won't take them from prep area) surely helps with that.

So we can simply say "tius etacilper" while standing next to the real thing. We won't even touch it.

Zachary states he's roughly equal to his cousin when it comes to inamimate stuff. As long as we have real deal to look at, it's pretty fine.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099600_Superman-_016/

With Oracle it would be "restarting of mentally supressed powers". Read the scan attentively:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1215901_Birds_of_Prey_085_19/
"The virus somehow shut itself off". It was "willed" by Oracle (who partially took control over it) to stop killing her body.

Emma uses "mental surgery" to tweak with Polaris' body and halt the Famine transformation. Also shows her level of expertise in genetics:
http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen23186xr4.jpg

Restarting self-supressed, presumably "gone" powers:
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen178page24ql1.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen178page25ni5.jpg

Oh, and while we're on that. Being technoorganic doesn't save you from being mindblasted. Phalanx copies of Storm and Iceman were psiblasted just fine:
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Emma Psi-Bolts the Phalanx

That idiot Banshee thinks the X-Men detained Emma because she snapped. However the Phalanx detained Emma so she wouldn't ruin its plans.

Once Sabertooth frees Emma she Psi-Bolts Phalanx replicas of Storm and Iceman destroying them.

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3613/uncannyxmen31605kj6.th.jpghttp://img184.imageshack.us/img184/8774/uncannyxmen31606fq1.th.jpghttp://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8900/uncannyxmen31620ml1.th.jpghttp://img184.imageshack.us/img184/5223/uncannyxmen31622or4.th.jpg

leonidas

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Oh, a little clarification from Ill:

So... copying existing one or recreating it via magic is legal, as long as the real deal doesn't leave prep area.
Our team got plenty of expertise with armour recreation in rds 1-3, Sybil has technological skills of Stu Clarke and there's mindlink with Lex for additional guidance.

We simply recreate existing suit, without taking real deal from prep area. Legal? Yes. Pwns you? Yes. Simple duplication spell would be enough, since the sample of real one is in prep area.

No speed feats?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1175459_DC52Week40-018/
Blitzing Steel while going "intangible" on super speed to phase though the hammer.
Yeah. You're right. No speed feats. LOL.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Now to your psi-blockers part.

You use that scan of standart psi-bafflers of Reed's desing. The same ones that get bypassed eventually.
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiscreensrh2.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=59066hc.jpg
The end result. And you do know that Emma is > Pre-Shaman Nate in terms of skills? And I've shown her bypassing various kinds of psi-defences with ridiculous ease.

As for Whitman stuff you're adressing there...
http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers363p08jv2.jpg

You DO KNOW that was retconned?
http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenannual001033vs7.jpg
Exodus attacks the flagship of SHIELD. Maria Hill and her crew either don't have any psi-blockers or they're uneffective against telepath of that level.
http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenannual001035jx6.jpg
The telepath Rogue refers to is Emma- Xavier was depowered back then.

Exodus himself admits that Emma is his equal in terms of skill (she's the last of five listed).
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9914/93421844ou4.jpg

Emma shows that those aren't idle words by stalemating Exodus.
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan05xz7.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan12ff6.jpg

Emma's psi-interference (from Werchester to Antarctica without Cerebra)>Exodus psi-interference.

Emma temportary depowers Exodus long enough to have him PWNed by Nightcrawler.
http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen205006ey1.jpg
http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen205007kt5.jpg

On the other hand, Exodus' psi-interference is relatively insignificant to Emma (she manages to psi-freeze Harpoon regardless of that).
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan20aw1.jpg

Now, does Emma >Exodus in raw psi-power? Definetley no, but she's his equal in skill. She has successfuly ignored or bypassed various kinds of psi-defences. Your (retconned) psi-blockers from god forgotten 80ies won't make any difference there.

That's provided you GET them, as the most complex things Shift was shown to create were relatively simple mechanical devises (such as chainguns), not complex electronics. You don't have him amalgamate with someone with good engineering skill, neither you're mind-synching him with one.
So you most likely won't have said psi-blockers (providing they're not retconned).

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Post #2

Well, the ready-made suit is illegal, and I agree on that. However, creating one from scratch in the prep via magic is legal- so...we can just recreate one from scratch via magic (like it was done in rds 1-3), not take ready-made one (which is not standart equipment anyway, Iron Man's suit is integral part of his body now and it's his standart equipment).
But now to your points:

Nice try, darling smile

Also, vibranium=\=adamantium. It does absorb kinetic energy, but it's less durable.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Charlotte's post #6 (so called "scan-only" goes into the match)

To deal with your claims:

The retcon means simply "recreate something based on the mental model of it" or "replicate pre-existing stuff" as long as real deal doesn't leave prep area (it can be used as sample as long as it isn't used in the battle itself- just like you did with explosive Bat-tech in your first match stuff).

And I won't be using Magik (aka Amanda Sefton) to replicate\recreate things- the transmutation of inorganics isn't her forte (that's why she's drafted for 25 points- she's not good with inorganics).

Zachary, however, is good at transmutation and simply duplicating things he sees isn't beyond his power level.

Examples of his transmuting powers:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993062_01/
Doves into fireworks
http://www.picamatic.com/view/988347_02/
The box of pizza from thin air (though he added less cheese than wanted but it was almost right after date with Raven who has destabilising effect on his concentration- thanks god there's no such distraction there).
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1088164_randommagic/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1091832_controlspigeons/
Living animals from thin air
http://www.picamatic.com/view/992936_World_War_III_Part_Three_pg__07/
Animating stone statues (not actual matter manip, but still)

"Off\on" mechanism was designed by Lex personally. As Natasha states...it was what he added to the project.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1175461_DC52Week40-019/

The thing is that Lex was beaten to the point of becoming comatose while trying to restart "on" button- and then he didn't have access to Everyman project anymore. What's more, the project itself was compromised in the eyes of society, and Lex under pressure decided to try something more...reliable.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1222572_DC52Week40-022/

Lex was comatose and isn't about "restarting" anything. Upon recovering in hospital...well, a lot has changed that made recovering of said superpowers impossible. Most notably Superman restoring his powers and Lex having to go underground.

Also we DO practice recreating tech via mental models in previous rounds, knowing schematics.And having something like holographic images of that tech to look or actual samples to copy from (as long as we won't take them from prep area) surely helps with that.

So we can simply say "tius etacilper" while standing next to the real thing. We won't even touch it.

Zachary states he's roughly equal to his cousin when it comes to inamimate stuff. As long as we have real deal to look at, it's pretty fine.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099600_Superman-_016/

With Oracle it would be "restarting of mentally supressed powers". Read the scan attentively:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1215901_Birds_of_Prey_085_19/
"The virus somehow shut itself off". It was "willed" by Oracle (who partially took control over it) to stop killing her body.

Emma uses "mental surgery" to tweak with Polaris' body and halt the Famine transformation. Also shows her level of expertise in genetics:
http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen23186xr4.jpg

Restarting self-supressed, presumably "gone" powers:
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen178page24ql1.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen178page25ni5.jpg

Oh, and while we're on that. Being technoorganic doesn't save you from being mindblasted. Phalanx copies of Storm and Iceman were psiblasted just fine:

leonidas

okay, so, i REALLY hope someone (judges) out there is reading carefully . . .

you do realize that she hasn't really SAID anything in all of those posts, right?

i mean, literally, next to nothing. she tries like heck to salvage her armor which was banned by saying zach can simply "recreate it" with a word. i'd love to see something really complex he has replicated in that fashion cuz that suit is pretty friggin uber and being able to replicate something that complex at the drop of a hat would be a one hell of a thing to showcase . . . on top of that--we couldn't care less IF she had it. it can do absolutely NOTHING to an adamantium ultimo. LESS than nothing. and it can be swatted and crushed because we're faster, and can instantly increase our size. who CARES about the armor??

then she tries to mount some confused retort for our psi-armor, going so far as to say that it was retconned?? huh?? HUH??

the gatherers storyline most CERTAINLY WAS NEVER RETCONNED! the schematics for that psi-srmor would be safe in the avengers databanks or still in storage more likely and would be easily accessed by us either way.

psi-armor that blocks out psi-attacks from people who one-shot multiple herald levellers=your TP being less than useless.

she spends soooooooo much time trying to defend this whole gene thing she is trying to do. here's a simple question: has ANY gene that has been turned off EVER been turned back on? there are MANY people with the gene. should be easy to find someone who had it turned off then turned on again . . .

i'd argue more stridently except . . . again, it doesn't MATTER! lex with his powers STILL can't do a single thing to us. we still swat super lex and crush him. cdb's 'proof' of speed is ridiculous. we would hit him a thousand times before he knew what happened.

seriously--she has spent the bulk of her time (far more than the bulk of it) saying she gets armor, saying she gets lex's gene, and saying she uses tp on us.

lex's armor is smushed. lex is smushed. we are immune to tp via our robotic nature and psi-shields.

we're faster, stronger and invulnerable. ask yourself this--without her tp, what exactly CAN she do to us? i sure as hell have no idea . . .

leonidas

Originally posted by illadelph12
Pretty much. If you made an error in your prep and left something out that you'd intended to do, you pretty much shot yourself in the foot if your opponent pays attention to detail. Not that you can't simply do things on the fly during the match if you could buy yourself time and had the means to do so. Prep is set in stone as is. The only exception is when tactics done in prep are illegal and get disregarded. Beyond that, it's up to you to adapt after the fact during the match.

Always have contingency plans.

thought this was worth posting here. so to be clear--to get this precious armor of hers, she would need to recreate it IN THE MATCH. that is to say--while our giant adamantium mach 10 engine of destruction is pounding her into nothingness.

beyond that--she tried to simply REPLICATE THE SUIT how? by looking at it and just copying it. well . . . guess what? she screwed up her prep and so HAS NO SUIT TO COPY. she would literally have to make it from scratch in the middle of the match.

translation: 2 of her characters (oracle and zatara) are unprotected and killed at the outset of the match. without the armor (not that it would offer much in the way of protection) they are COMPLETELY defenselss and dead immediately, and not only do we now have an overwhelming power advantage, but we also have a numbers advantage.

she really has no chance in this thing. erm

ps--judges, don't forget--we're in a VAST FOREST. setting fire to the forest will NOT be making things easier for the MARTIAN on her team . . .

Charlotte DeBel

Now to genetics.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1222572_DC52Week40-022/
Once again, Lex was comatose after the fight and not in mood of restarting anything.
Exogene also becomes poisonous after being "on" constantly. After Lex recovered after the beating, he was not in mood of restarting anything- he basically lost his company (Lana Lang become its managing director), the lawsuit was brought against Everyman project, and the worst thing happened- Superman got his powers back.

The very point of installing exogene was to outshine Superman while he was depowered. "Infinity Inc" was meant to compete with JLA. As I've said in my very prep, the level of Lex with exogene is= Superman biorobot (the ones from Graduation Day arc which Leo has read and enjoyed AFAIR) and with those powers he would lose to real deal 10\10.

The competition become pointless and DANGEROUS if being "on" constantly exogene was forgotten. It was never removed, just switched "off". And afterwards abandoned as pointless. So your "if Lex can do it at any time, why won't he do that" become pointless.

The same thing with Oracle\Brainiac.

She took control over virus and MADE it switch itself off. She PERSUADED the thing to do that, taking conscous control over her.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1215897_Birds_of_Prey_085_17/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1215901_Birds_of_Prey_085_19/

The very reason virus was to be surgically removed is that it started to obey outside destructive command and a part of it's orginal programming was returned.

Even then, Oracle was able to OVERRIDE Brainac's initial code and MADE virus switch itself off. She was in TOTAL CONTROL of it.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/987695_page18/

Also the partial reason why she switched virus off instead of letting it being removed was that even in passive state it was healing her body.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1225631_BOP84.ffs.xtv.p010/
The virus is rendered passive and at the same time it partaiily regenerated her neural tissue.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1225636_Birds_of_Prey_085_22/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1225637_Birds_of_Prey_085_23/

So... your idle slapfest is moot point. Especially since you provided no proof of anything on your part, minus misinterpreted "teleportation" scan, inventing non-existing context for other scans (like the fact that Emma and Stark shared the bed once (that night of hot sex later resulted in Frost Enterprises undermining a position of Stark Enterprises on electronics market) to disregard the fact that Extremis Iron Man (the one in the scan) armour is stored into his body and the thing that a successful businessman would think twice before going without any mind-reading blockers to the person who runs rival company and HAS STOLEN his clients' contracts more than once while Tony was too busy thinking about boobs and not wearing psi-protection), and the scans that are centered on Ultimo smashing capability (which is moot point).

In the next post I'll deal with reinforcing my other points. You guys were too busy playing "huzzah! that particular armour is illegal!" as if it gives you teh autowin. The fact is, PRESENCE OR ABSENCE OF LEX'S ARMOUR IN THE MATCH MATTERS NOTHING. While your fantasy psi-scramblers (Emma has bypassed stuff of more current generation with easy- your antiquated things are silly toys for the most skilled psionic in Marvel) is REALLY IMPORTANT for you.

And being part cybernethic won't save your asses there. I've shown Emma psi-blasting technoorganic Phalanx units, destroying their structures with psi-energy.

I can repost those if needed.

Also, faster speed of thought that the one of actual telepath? Or time-consuming mind-linking?
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen2032fs2.jpg
The mind linking\psionic conversation takes less than a second.

And with all those talks about Emeralda we've forgotten another perk of that amalgam- aka diamond form

http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen190004pj8oz7.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen190005qg7vy2.jpg
1\100 of a second. She gets blitzed in the scan, but Northstar moves
on lightspeed there, which is>>>>>your speed. Also if not for him blitzing Emma, the mindrape would have been successful. The thinking speed of telepaths in general=or>speedsters.

http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx3_L6L0
Partial diamond transformation. Doesn't need food or water (thus can't be poisoned by convinient means you're using there) and STILL has the use of her TP powers (using it for scanning, that also meabs that diamond form can be used in conjunction with psionic-based Martian powers).
There goes your poisoning. Which is your major trump card.

http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx3_JkvA
And your afterthought flame attack, BTW.

It should be noted that the fear of flame isn't based on simply watching'em. The physical contact should be made.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221915_Teen_Titans_051_page_16/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221914_Teen_Titans_051_page_15/
Speedbitzes Firebug (who barely manages to teleport away). Also dodges her flame blast in process AND continues dodging'em. There's a misconception there that ALL the Martians run away from the matches.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/882401_04/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/882410_05/
Same battle, rd 2. Firebug is PWNed. Also shown that simple forcefield is enough to make flame attacks pointless (as if it was doing something anyway without direct physical contact).

http://www.picamatic.com/view/882413_Teen_Titans_053-14/
Furure M'gann keeps herself immune to flame due to forcefield.

Also, there's a horribly ridiculous idea to use poisonous gases on person who is immune\resistant to the most poisons.

Scoobs tried to disregard Martian physiology by emphasing on the effect "wearing off". Truth is, the thing used on other Dark Side Club prisoners (designed with Apocolyps technologies which are>>Diablo) did nothing to her but make her dizzy.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1225961_13/

Note that previoius to that she was blasted into submission by Disruptor- it were blasts and not chemicals KOing her. And she still has her telepathy active.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1225951_20/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1225962_21/
If you wonder if being a bit dizzy or a bit sleepy stops a world class TP user from using TP, the answer is "no".
http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ef1cd6.jpg

And scans of Quicksilver vs Exodus=moot point. Exodus was telepathically fighting Thena, the Eternal, at that point, so he can't fully concentrate on Pietro.

Emma was labelled by Exodus himself as his peer (scans in my post that is actually #5). She also stalemated him (Scoobs was trying to disregard the stalemate - Emma and Bennet entered clynch blocking each other powers but Emma turned stalemate into victory by having Dust (Scoobs calls her Sand so there's another proof he doesn't know WTF he's talking about and tries to invent a context favourable for him based on his scotch-clouded imagination) enter Exodus' lungs while he was unable to use his powers other than TP).

Now to put to rest Scoob's smashfest.

You honestly do believe that your fugly gigantobot (damn, you ended up looking almost like B-Dub and Smurph- what a disgrace) hits harder than say Lobo?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1225961_13/
Has faster reaction speed than said Lobo (who is doubleblitzed by Miss Martian and Wonder Girl there):
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221919_27/

Dishes out more damage than Mephisto's elite guard in Mephisto's realm?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124922_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-18/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124944_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-19/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124947_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-20/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124938_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-21/

Or>than WWHulk?
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldwarhulkxmen002015fs6.jpg

That's for solidifying. But now I'd like you to adress the parts about your own prep. Either "solidfy" it with scans or it never happened. As to my part, Shift's ability to transform into chemicals and induce chemical reaction=\=transmutation and he has NEVER created complex devises or even REMOVABLE ones. Producing streams of gases or acids=\=creating removable complex tech such as your psi-blockers. No psi-blockers=you're dead in millisecond. Armour or no armour plays no role.

Its absence isn't vital. No armour=\=Scoobs and Leo authomatically win and is MUCH less vital than NO PSI-BLOCKERS.

No proof was shown that SHIELD still has data on that tech or that it can be replicated, and current ones, even the latest generation ("Brawler" unit) are easily bypassed by Emma.

Charlotte DeBel

Now, the actual scans-only post #1 (posting or reposting scans with brief descriptions

Comments on Miss Martian potential

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220268_01/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220084_11-12/
Future personality (also comment on the role of "weak" or "strong" psyche)

http://www.picamatic.com/view/987900_Teen_Titans_043-10/
Bombshell. "The most powerful member of Teen Titans".

Emma unlocking others' potential

Hellion
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Iceman
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More Iceman
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Miss Martian powers being "unlocked" by TP suggestion
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220272_Teen_Titans_053-15/

In non-unlocked state the alternate M'gann toys with Miss Martian (note that):
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1222041_06/

Psi-blockers

"Brawler Unit"
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Designed by Tony Stark and SHIELD:

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Professor Emil Winston a genius in Cybernetics and A.I. has also contributed to the Sentinel's Upgrades.

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Locating IronMan Telepathically?

Emma Frost is able to telepathically locate Iron Man's position and is also able to tell Scott the exact moment of Tony's arrival.

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Bypassing Maradeurs' psi-shielding while physically paralysed
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Affecting Extremis Iron Man
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Psi-Shields

The Psi Shields are making it really hard for Rachel Summers to psychically manouver around. Yet Emmas telepathy seems uneffected since she's aware of the occurences happening below.
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Charlotte DeBel

Scans-only post 2

Miss Martian
Strength, durability etc

Restraining Superboy
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993234_18/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1226449_20/

Shapeshifts to restrain bunch of characters, including gigantic superhot fireblasting Brimstone
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993177_12/

Phases through Lobo's attack
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1225961_13/

Phases through Disruptor's blast
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1226538_17/

The famous stalemate with Supergirl
http://www.picamatic.com/view/882323_Teen_Titans_048_-_page_12/
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Keeps up with Supergirl speedwise
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1226492_RacerX-BB18-p17/

Double-teaming with Wonder Girl, blitzes Lobo
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221919_27/

Stretches out and uses her elasticity to neutralise kinetic energy of bullets- Reed Richards' style
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993271_Teen_Titans_49_page_22/

Enhanced sences
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1222038_Teen_Titans_49_page_05/

leonidas

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The answer to the Leo's post above

Leo claims that Diablo teleported in that scan.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221956_Fantastic_Four_v1_194_(05)/
The story retold from the POW of Diablo himself. Transformed into gaseous state and flew away. Feel free to disrupt yourself into incoherent gase that's easy to blow away.
No teleportation for you.

hmm, i'll address this little fallacy first and simply assume cdb mixed up issues. first, if it wasn't obvious enough by the differences in artwork:

http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teleportln1.jpg

her scan that attempts to debunk MY scan isn't even from the same issue. no expression

in her scan, he is transforming into gas to escape DEATH!! in my scan, he is calmly saying he is teleporting to NEW YORK--which he does. in her scan, some of his chemicals are mixed together (i REALLY REALLY wish she'd have shown the PRECEDING SCAN to her scan . . . cdb--feel like sharing the preceding scan? shifty

) in a battle so he has to flee. in MY scan, he's plotting to kill the FF.

i'm not sure what else to say.

HER SCAN IS NOT THE SUCCEEDING SCAN TO MINE--IT IS FROM A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORYLINE!

i'll assume that was accidentally done. smile

anyway, here's another scan of him teleporting into doom's castle AFTER HE TOOK CONTROL OF DOOM'S TECH:

http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=controltech2teleportly1.jpg

he actually made doom's holographic images COME TO LIFE AND ATTACK DOOM and he wasn't even present! he teleported into the castle AFTER attacking doom to prove his powers.

so, yeah--we most certainly CAN teleport.

we can also become intangible, something i forgot to mention in a previous post:

http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=intangiblevm4.jpg

diablo knows the chemical compunds necessary to allow us to become intangible. with access to shift's powers and QS's (AMPED) thought-speed, he could easily and nearly instantly rearrange our chemical structure to allow us to become intangible at will.

so . . . whatever you can do, we can do better. smile

something else that i think is getting confused:

we are NOT using shift to recreate the psi-armor. not sure where that idea even came from. we never said shift was using matter manip to recreate them in our prep. so . . .?

with QS's amped speed, cho's hacking ability, access to the avengers database and knowledge of the compound we either use the EXISTING materials in the avengers HQ and the schematics of the armor to rebuild it, OR, most logically, we simply search the compound and FIND the stored armor.

could we rebuild it with the tech present? why not? here is a simple feat that proves QS can build at superspeed:

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9108/pms32mp.jpg

a puzzle?? leo, you posted a scan of him building a PUZZLE???

sure. smile

what is the psi-armor if not a puzzle? could QS alone rebuild the armor using the specs? hmm . . . maybe, but maybe not in the time we have. could a QS with 10x his normal speed AND cho's brain rebuild it? most assuredly. but again, i don't think we'd have to rebuild it.

if anyone out there can give me a reasonable explanation for WHY psi-armor that can protect against psi-attacks that ONE-SHOT MULTIPLE HERALDS would be destroyed, please let me know in your judegments or in your posts.

thanks.

another quick point:

cdb wants to cast doubt on our ability to create adamantium. i don't think we need to show the scan of cho using a friggin' LAPTOP to essentially take down shield (to the point where he was gonna crash HELICARRIERS into the ocean!). so, if he could use a laptop to take shield down, i don't think it such a stretch to say he could easily access a couple of SHIELD files using the avengers uber computers. specifically, the ones created by AGENT OF SHIELD MYRON MACLAIN!

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/maclainmyron.htm

call me crazy, but i feel pretty safe in saying that by accessing maclain's files, we'd find a thing or 2 about TRUE adamantium. wink

lastly:

exodus was NOT battling thena at the same time quicksilver (a SLOWER quicksilver) defeated exodus. here he shows that he can actually OUTRUN EXODUS'S PSI-ATTACKS:

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/4605/quicksilvervsexodus025lo.jpg

does the same here:

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/6602/quicksilvervsexodus049ku.jpg

thena was SHIELDING others, NOT fighting exodus. QS took exodus out all by his lonesome.

as for the rest, a summary should do fine:

she's given up the armor and stated her oracle/zach amalgam is forefit and "roadkill". sweet. big grin

she STILL has yet to show a gene that has been turned off being turned BACK ON. if it really is as simple as she's claiming, surely somewhere, among all those people WITH the gene, surely SOMEONE who had the gene turned off MUST have had one turned back on . . .

and again, even if it WAS believed--who cares. what the heck is a mildly-powered lex gonna do to an adamantium ultimo who moves at mach 10, can teleport and become intangible? anyone??

she desperately needs the psi-armor to be disbelieved, because TP is her ONLY option. problem is, even without the armor we are robotic--not techno-ORGANIC like warlock. our mind is FULLY robotic. show us a scan of emma using TP on a sentinel or something and . . . i'll show you a scan of shift being able to defend against a TP assault by simply MOVING and HIDING the vulnerable parts of his brain anyway! the beauty of being an uber shapeshifter. big grin

so, once again--TP=failure. why? psi-armor, super-speed, robotic mind, shape-shifting brain/brain chemistry.

again, i am forced to ask--what the heck can her 2 amalgams possibly do to harm us? we have speed-healing, the ability to adapt to attacks, we are utterly invulnerable to anything she can do. she can't even remain intangible in the face of a massive forest fire! if we want, we can extend a sphere from our body with a small hole and let cortez's powers out and have him overload her other 2 characters. we can become an adamantium octopus that is 500' tall and attack her with multiple cl100 arms coated with adamantium.

please, someone somewhere tell me how her TWO amalgams can possibly compete in this thing?

Charlotte DeBel

Got you on it, guys smile

Doing it the way you claim is ILLEGAL- the same as me with Lex suit which you went all "huzzah" about.
Quicksilver has never used the armour, neither he owns anything to construct psi-blockers from scratch.

Kiss goodbye to your armour. If Lex's suit=illegal, then psi-armour=too. And it's

"Different storyline". AKA the same told from different POW (the explanation was in flashback). And he "vanishes" always with the same animation. Basing off your assumption on artistic license=\=good.
http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=controltech2teleportly1.jpg
Also, read your own scan. Vaporous fumes=materialisation from gaseous form. Also some holograms=\=high end tech.

Superspeed?
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Gets speedblitzed before can use TP but speedblitz happens on lightspeed which is>>>your Mach 10 speed.

Speed of thought=speed of light for a high level telepath:
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/996/speedofthoughtmh6.jpg

Partially robotic shapeshifters?
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen31620ml1.jpg

Alien minds? I hope Starro=alien enough for you. And that's M'gann, with clumsy rudimentary TP skills. Add the skills AND powers of Emma onto that- and you get... you get psi-fried team Leo.

Distorted\phased body. In that case- Kitty Pryde phased inside metal bullet that travels on subluminal speeds:
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Also Mystique example shouldn't be generalised on ALL shapeshifters. Show me Shift being immune to psi-attack. And by attak I mean attack, not simply probing.

BTW, Mystique wasn't immune to attack, only to mind-reading. Xavier persuaded her work for her by threating to mind zap her (scan would be presented in the scan-only post). And using characterstics that were given specifically to Mystique to generalise stuff...well.

Also you should remember than probing=\=ALL the forms of telepathy.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Illyana is immune to telepaths reading her mind.(Telepaths are unable to read her subconscious and conscious thoughts) But as shown above a Mind Blast can effect her. Which is an interesting development to those who think the shielding of thoughts can make you immune to all forms of telepathy. As shown in the scans telepathy isn't one-dimensional.

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Probing is different from other forms of TP:
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Molecular level organic matter manip- recreating bodies of 4 X-Men from their soul essence using energy from Soul Sword
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1130888_soulmagic/

So... say again how were you immune to TP?

leonidas

ok, so because the psi-helmets were granted to ALL the avengers (made for everyone on the team) they have (by ill's new rule clarification) become available to us to use. smile

so . . . you got nothing. wink

even if you don't believe they are in storage, it was ALWAYS legal for us to simply recreate tham from schematics in the avengers database.

so--GO PSI-ARMOR!! huzzah!

i can't actually believe you're still going on about that teleportation san--i showed 2 clear cases of teleportation. one i guess there was . . . smoke involved with. the other he teleported with a flash of light or . . . something. confused

who cares? he can and has teleported. even his bio says he can teleport. i can't believe you still want to say my scan was misleading somehow. i ask you to show the preceding scan to the one you showed. you didn't, so i will:

http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=precedingtm0.jpg

exactly as i said--in YOUR scan he didn't even TELEPORT! he became mist and drifted for months. what the heck does that have to do with refuting our ability to teleport??? What the f**k?

so, to reiterate:

(1) we have psi-armor strong enough to protect against a psi-assault that ONE-SHOTS MULTIPLE HERALDS.

(2) we can teleport.

our psi-armor makes your tp less than useless. our FULLY robotic mind is ALSO immune to your tp--judges note she has shown techno-ORGANICS can be affected by her tp. she has not and never will show that she can influence fully robotic beings of the kind WE ARE. a slower-than-we-are-QS has also shown to be able to dodge psi-blasts (since she mentioned that type of attack in her above posts) as well. so not only are we immune, but she couldn't even hit us with a psi-blast if she wanted to! eek!

obviously she's given up any other form of offense EXCEPT tp (and she was so afraid of our psi-armor that she went so far as to try and get it BANNED!!) because she has offered exactly NOTHING in the way of offense EXCEPT tp.

so, tp=UBER-HARD-FAILURE=her teamdeath

Scoobless

Scoob/Leo Post ... uh ... 7?

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
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The only things that are not affected by TP reserve increase based on the scan is invisibility and intangibility (and probably Martian vision).

Um, you realise you just proved that Martians can't affect in organic minds (such as big robots) with TP.

That scan says nothing about what "TP reserves" do or don't do for Martians, it only mentions what may or may not be useful against Plastic man.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220080_06/

Nice history lesson, not sure how it helps anything here though.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220314_14/
Adult personality in charge uses M'gann's powers more effectively than the real deal (like planting TP suggestions into minds of people to fabricate false documents for M'gann).

Oh come on, any low level telepath could use their power to convince some random passport guy to let them have a new ID ... it's hardly feat worthy (especially off panel) and far from proof of TP improvement.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The guy suffering from the same problem- great potential yet due to the lack of training and CIS he uses but a tiny margin of it. Emma provides quick remedy.

I have to disagree, most of those powers were uncovered by fluke

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
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http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3536/uncannyxmen314large13il4.jpg

She couldn't even perform the everyday feat of turning human again.

And even if your point about power enhancing was valid (which I would disagree with) Miss Martian already knows pretty much everything a Martian is capable of, it's not like Frost will be discovering any new abilities for martians here.

the most Frost offered Iceman was a different perspective and an "I don't know I'm not supposed to be able to do this" attitude to his powerset.

Martians powers are already fairly fully defined and nothing shown here suggests that an extra source of telepathy will increase them at all.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993022_Picture14_010/
I'm starting with the simple thing such as keeping up with\outspeeding supersonic jet.

She's clearly flying at it from a different direction ... that's like saying I could outrun a Porsche because I could run into one that was driving straight at me.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993249_05/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993268_06/
Reflexes\reaction feat. In time needed for guardian to look at Cyborg's direction she shapeshanges into Robin, takes his place and pushes real deal aside.

Not impressed, the guy was looking away when she shape shifted, if she really had decent speed she'd have used the opportunity to KO every soldier in the area.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I'm adding a few scans of said "peak Martians" and their speed feats.

And I'm ignoring those scans as nothing you've shown so far has come close to convincing me that slightly enhanced TP = full strength martian ... J'onn J'onz is hundreds of millions of years old for god's sake, these aren't the type of abilities that are developed easily.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
http://www.picamatic.com/view/882323_Teen_Titans_048_-_page_12/
Blunt force punch from Supergirl, who is >Ultimo, does very little to M'gann.

Maybe > Regular Ultimo, not > indestructible super fast Ultimo who can paralyse you with a thought (to release some gaseous potion from any part of himself I mean)

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Now to Amanda's teleportation.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124737_Excalibur_076_p09/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124740_Excalibur_076_p16/
From USA to Bavaria. With passengers.

Glows before teleporting and is weakened by it ... that's good for our guys.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The box of pizza from thin air (though he added less cheese than wanted but it was almost right after date with Raven who has destabilising effect on his concentration- thanks god there's no such distraction there).

Apart from the fact that you'll have to do it after the match starts and there's a gigantic robot crushing you underfoot?

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
"Off\on" mechanism was designed by Lex personally. As Natasha states.http://www.picamatic.com/view/1175461_DC52Week40-019/

Designed by Lex personally? All it says it Lex showed her that it can be turned off with a specific attack, nothing about who built that flaw in and nothing about it turning back on again (and since it never has turned back on ....)

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The thing is that Lex was beaten to the point of becoming comatose

That's something he'd better start getting used to.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Zachary states he's roughly equal to his cousin when it comes to inamimate stuff. As long as we have real deal to look at, it's pretty fine.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099600_Superman-_016/

That scan doesn't back up anything you claim he can do.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Emma uses "mental surgery" to tweak with Polaris' body and halt the Famine transformation. Also shows her level of expertise in genetics:
http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen23186xr4.jpg

She shows knowledge of genetics as it relates to 616 mutants, and, again, your scan doesn't back up your claims ... at no point was it said Emma used any powers in treating Polaris ... more than likely it was standard medical practices (and probably handled by Beast)

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Restarting self-supressed, presumably "gone" powers:
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen178page24ql1.jpg
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Straining with cerebro to turn on a power she's intimately familiar with, not exactly dealing with the unknown there.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Phalanx copies of Storm and Iceman were psiblasted just fine:

We're not phalanx and we're not using copies of organic brains, we're a big robot with cogs and stuff.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
with one of our characters keeping your amalgam busy

Which one are you sacrificing first? none of them can stop or even slow down our amalgam

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
*Rocket Red stuff*

None of the scans you posted there showed any of the stuff you said they would.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
And I can allow that particular character to become a "roadkill"

OK

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
the difference between alchemy and chemistry is not only in the name. You need specifically collect ingridients for potions (connected to moon cycle etc). If you don't have ingridients collected at the right time your potion won't work.

More accurately, it requires specific chemicals in specific states, any of which Shift can replicate when he has Diablo's millenia long experience in the field.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Leo claims that Diablo teleported in that scan.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221956_Fantastic_Four_v1_194_(05)/
The story retold from the POW of Diablo himself. Transformed into gaseous state and flew away. Feel free to disrupt yourself into incoherent gase that's easy to blow away.

That's actually a retelling of the events that happened during and after a completely different Diablo story arc (the one where he makes Crystal his slave)

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Detailed (still awaiting proof from you that Shift can replicate chemicals without seeing samples)

You mean you don't think Shift has ever changed form mid fight without a supply of whatever he wants lying around the battlefield? seriously?

Scoobless

Scoob/Leo Post 8 .... I think

(huh ... turns out it's the 10th post)

embarrasment

In case anyone forgot, we're using the amalgamation of:

Diablo + Shift + Ultimo + Quicksilver

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
description of adamantium and specifically antarctic vibranium is not that easy to find.

7th smartest mind on the planet, accelerated to super speed thinking levels then further boosted ... it's not going to be difficult to locate (and we never claimed to actually use the anti-metal ... so far)

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
data on adamantium was either destroyed, or... I've shown that you have a BIG chance of getting unstable poisonous isotope instead.

Poisonous to a robot? worst case - we make the bad stuff, then ditch it and make the good stuff .. it'll only take seconds with our combined pool of abilities.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I do want the scans of Shift creating complextech separated from his own body.

It wont be separate from him, it'll be built into his robot head.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
You have what? 6 posts to my 6 posts and you never ever reinforced your strategy

Our strategy is relatively simple ... and like we said, even if we make the wrong adamantium it wont be poisonous to a robot that can change it's chemical make up whenever it wants ... if anything toxic metal will just make us more dangerous to your team.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221951_Fantastic_Four_117-17/

Only temporary.

I never said they weren't temporary, they do, however, last for hours minimum (sometimes days) and if he keeps reinforcing them with potions they can last indefinitely.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The same thing with Oracle\Brainiac.

You already sacrificed her in your last post

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Extremis Iron Man (the one in the scan) armour is stored into his body

No it isn't. Only the undersheath to the suit is stored inside him, all the actual "Iron Man" parts are another matter entirely.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
While your fantasy psi-scramblers is REALLY IMPORTANT for you.

Not really, Robot = TP not working (Phalanx is another type of tech/creature entirely)

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
And with all those talks about Emeralda we've forgotten another perk of that amalgam- aka diamond form

Not forgotten, you just haven't ever said she'd be using it so it hasn't been "on" so far.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx3_L6L0
Partial diamond transformation. Doesn't need food or water (thus can't be poisoned by convinient means you're using there) and STILL has the use of her TP powers (using it for scanning, that also meabs that diamond form can be used in conjunction with psionic-based Martian powers).

There also goes any supposed boost Emma's TP offered to the Martian.

Shame you didn't change her earlier in the match then ... Your choices are feeble TP (which wont even work on us) or being a little more durable.

Guess you picked the wrong option and got yourself paralysed from the get go.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
http://www.picamatic.com/view/882410_05/

Yup, fire should work alright if entering a burning building is a life threatening event.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ef1cd6.jpg

You seriously need to decide if you're going with diamond form or not then just stick to using one power set.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Dust (Scoobs calls her Sand so there's another proof he doesn't know WTF he's talking about)

Gasp, I've been discovered .... roll eyes (sarcastic)

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Has faster reaction speed than Lobo (who is doubleblitzed by Miss Martian and Wonder Girl there):
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221919_27/

Lobo wasn't even looking in their direction ... that scan proves exactly nothing.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Dishes out more damage than Mephisto's elite guard in Mephisto's realm?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124922_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-18/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124944_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-19/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124947_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-20/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124938_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-21/

Or>than WWHulk?
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldwarhulkxmen002015fs6.jpg

First, none of those guards even hit her (but don't have Quicksilver reactions x 10).

Second, Hulk never even hit her ... that only shows she was more durable than the pavement.

Hardly any of the scans you've used in any post so far have shown anything remotely close to what you're claiming from them.

erm

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
now I'd like you to adress the parts about your own prep. Either "solidfy" it with scans or it never happened.

Yeah, that'd be interesting to do since everything we're claiming requires the amalgamated powers of 4 separate characters from 2 different universes.

I doubt Shift could create alchemical solutions without Diablo's knowledge.

I doubt Cho could find the info he gets here (within a few minutes anyway) without Quicksilver's powers.

With those power combinations these feats are easily done though.

______________

So yeah ... Robot brains = metal cobbled together = immune to telepathy (but we have psi-blockers anyway)

Comparing Ultimo to a Sentinel with a human pilot is rediculous, there's no human brain involved anywhere in his processes.

Diablo can already make Vibranium (as shown earlier) adamantium wont be to different and this time he's got a lot of help to do it ... including a character who can become the material.

Without the overly vaunted TP helping CDB's team, there isn't a chance they could even scratch Mercury ... and even if they did some minor damage it would heal almost instantly and he'd be immune to a similar attack in the future.

I'll leave you with this:

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8964/strength1wx9.th.jpghttp://img293.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

No mercy!

evil face

leonidas

Originally posted by Scoobless
Scoob/Leo Post ... uh ... 7?

That's something he'd better start getting used to.

laughing

seriously folks, it's THAT kind of insight and wit that led me to want to team with scoob! big grin

leonidas

Originally posted by Scoobless
Scoob/Leo Post 8 .... I think

(huh ... turns out it's the 10th post)

embarrasment

cuz lord knows it sure as HELL wasn't for his math skills . . . heh

Scoobless

Well how was I to know you were going to waste posts with nothing but quotes of our opposition and others on barely paragraph long responses.

stick out tongue

leonidas

yeah, well . . . .

no expression

DigiMark007

So wait, leo's "only quote Charlotte" post counted as a battle post?

laughing out loud

leonidas

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So wait, leo's "only quote Charlotte" post counted as a battle post?

laughing out loud

actually, i don't think that was ever really addressed . . .? embarrasment

DigiMark007

It probably should be. Odd as it is, you weren't making any arguments. I personally wouldn't count it. But of course I'm not the boss for these proceedings either.

leonidas

if we feel like we need it, i'll ask ill about it. didn't really think we'd go through ALL our posts, let alone go through all of them BEFORE the deadline . . . sad

illadelph12

34 posts?

Seriously?

laughing

leonidas

so . . . DOES my, er, quote-only post count as a battle post? embarrasment

no worries if it does--kinda silly, but i thought it made a point. big grin

illadelph12

What was the point of that quote post anyway?

I believe you still have scan only posts to add some evidence to the points you've already made. Beyond that though, I think you guys did make 10 posts. I'm going to go back and count. There's still a whole day left in the battle and both teams have pretty much already emptied their ammo. I will say this, Charlotte's matches always have a torrid pace.

fangirl101

I like her matches. I see so many new comics and scans that I'd never knew existed.

DigiMark007

Let's keep this to the discussion thread now, guys. This match should be battle posts only.

Charlotte DeBel

OK, so there's evidence post (aka scan-only #3). And I have 1 more battle post (used up 9 so far).

Weird minds with Miss Martian (who's not the strongest there is on telepathic food chain)

Offspring (Plastic Man's son with similiar uber-shapeshifting powers)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1232122_offspring/

Starro
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1227673_Teen_Titans_053-23/

Superfast minds- Supergirl (hope that's fast enough for you, and she was IN THE BATTLE)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1023548_Teen_Titans_053-22/

Weird minds with Emma

Kitty Pryde (also Emma is called her equal by Exodus)
http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen2020021tb7.jpg
http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen2020022yu2.jpg

Phalanx (technoorganic beings)
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen31620ml1.jpg
General points

Mystique case about immunity to mind probing=\=immunity to offensive TP (I've promiced that a bit above)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1227650_mystique_003_p10/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1227662_Mystique_07-13/

Speed of thought=speed of light (and Psylocke<<<Emma in terms of TP)
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/996/speedofthoughtmh6.jpg

Quicksilver stating he can dodge tangible blast of psionic energy, but area-aimed attack would still hit you
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quicksilver012p34xc2.jpg

Quicksilver dodges TANGIBLE bolts of psionic energy (might be TK or blasts of raw psionic energy which is basically=TK)
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quicksilver012p33lv9.jpg

Exodus figthing Thena JUST before fighthing Quicksilver (it distracts him so that he can't react on She-Hulk attack)
http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quicksilver012p14fc6.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quicksilver012p15xm2.jpg

Quicksilver surviving area attack due to getting out of effect area while Exodus was doing dramatic poses
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quicksilver012p35cb2.jpg

Emma's powers radius =global
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen500zonemeganbk2.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen500zonemeganqw6.jpg
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Now to forcefields Emeralda and War Dancer are protected with (and which are totally legal to use unlike War Suit)

Prevent Superman from hitting Lex directly (and Superman SPEEDBLITZES him on full speed to avoid prolonged contact with cryptonite)
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanvskryptonbattleship7.jpg

Lex survives said speedblitz due to forcefield generator
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1232212_02/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1232213_03/

Intangibility

Lobo attack
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221925_RacerX-BB18-p12/

Disruptor's energy blast
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1226538_17/

Superspeed dodging
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221914_Teen_Titans_051_page_15/

Shift's vulnerability to energy blasts
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1181013_Teen_Titans_025_page_06/

Shift copies things by visual contact\tactile contact (not by formulas)
http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=outsidersv312hunterrosejq9.jpg

Adamantium has 9 unstable isotopes sharing the same formula
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen191018gg1.jpg

Alchemy=ritualistic "science"
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1222007_AlphaFlight021_08/

Simply copying formulas\chemicals without preparing them in needed for ritual way=fail
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221981_FantasticFour30-06/

Humidity having advert effect on Diablo's potions
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1217461_Alpha_Flight_103_p18/

Diamond shift=1\100th of a second (Emma gets blitzed cause Northstar moves at lightspeed)
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen190004pj8oz7.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen190005qg7vy2.jpg

Psionic powers used in diamond form (also halted metabolism- no poisoning possible)
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx3_L6L0

Diamond form durability
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldwarhulkxmen002015fs6.jpg

Martian physiology=near immunity to poisons
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1225961_13/
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tt060012bi4.jpg

Emma bypassing Maradeurs' psi-shielding while physically paralysed
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen201008ya3.jpg

Magik's armour durability, her combat skills and combat teleportation (not travelling one you were showing)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124922_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-18/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124944_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-19/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124947_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-20/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124938_X-Men_Magik_2_of_4-21/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1157341_X-Men_Magik_1_of_4-05/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1157342_X-Men_Magik_1_of_4-06/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1157345_X-Men_Magik_1_of_4-07/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1157346_X-Men_Magik_1_of_4-08/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1157381_X-Men_Magik_1_of_4-09/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1157382_X-Men_Magik_1_of_4-10/

Weather magic (to blow your gases away)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124985_18/

Superbreath (same purpose)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993240_08/

Matter manipulation
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1125005_05/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124970_06/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1130888_soulmagic/

"The magic can be adapted to do almost anything"
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1126137_Nightcrawler_11_15/

Charlotte DeBel

Unofficial post

I do realise that the thread is long and confusing, and I'd like to thank judges in advance for reading through all of that.

Oh, and thanks to my opponents (especially Leo- I like your debating style and it's always fun facing you) for good match.

Charlotte DeBel

And finallly, my last scans-only post #4

More diamond form durability (Emma's caught in the center of big explosion in the 2nd scan)
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenphoenixwarsong4003rj0.jpg
http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenphoenixwarsong4004pi6.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenphoenixwarsong4006wt4.jpg

More psionic powers in diamond form
http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gsastonishingxmen01010eh8.jpg

M'gann's durability (gravity pull equaling the one of actual sun merely knocks her down)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1227684_Trinity14-015/

Dodging speedblitz vs Starro-controlled Firebug (teleporting pyrokinetic)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221914_Teen_Titans_051_page_15/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1221915_Teen_Titans_051_page_16/

Round 2- this time invisible and victorious
http://www.picamatic.com/view/882401_04/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/882410_05/

Note: Starro amplifies host's reaction speed (it made Brimstone able to react to speedblitz from Supergirl):
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1232821_Teen_Titans_051_page_11/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1232822_Teen_Titans_051_page_12/

Paralysing\binding spell
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1125047_18/
More of it
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1125602_12/

leonidas

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Unofficial post

I do realise that the thread is long and confusing, and I'd like to thank judges in advance for reading through all of that.

Oh, and thanks to my opponents (especially Leo- I like your debating style and it's always fun facing you) for good match.

ahhh . . . shucks. love

Charlotte DeBel

Originally posted by leonidas
ahhh . . . shucks. love

Hope we'll face again in the playoffs smile

Charlotte DeBel

OK, time for grand finale- Charlotte's post 10\10

Now, let's do some final analysis of their "unbeatable strategy".

Their 1st claim- they can build the psi-blockers from scratch or obtain actual ones.

The psi-blockers you claim were shown in ONE issue exactly- and they're far from team's standart tech. Thus using actual psi-armour violates that amendment to the prep rule:
Originally posted by illadelph12
Sure.

If every member of a team has access to something it's fair game.

If it's deemed off limits (in canon materials) but just so happens to reside at the base you would be using, it's illegal.

For a layman's example, if I drafted a soldier and used a military base as my prep area, and the base just so happened to have nukes but they were in a restricted area that none of the characters under normal circumstances would have access to or their use was generally prohibited, I couldn't just use the nukes in battle.

The whereabouts of actual psi-blockers are normally unknown to your characters, you have no experts on said stuff in your team (chemistry genius and math savant does not specialise in psi-shielding tech) and you have no proof (Leo tried to present the bio of the guy who designed psi-blockers as the proof they can build them from scratch). One flaw in your psi-blockers and they might as well not be there- against the telepath of Emma's level of skill.

In the scans I presneted above I have stated why the absence of psi-blockers=bad news for you. Emma and Miss Martain have both affected some pretty wierd minds before, including cybernethical beings (Phalanx). Also those scans contain some mythbusting stuff about Quicksilver TP immunity (he was able to survive area effect blast ONLY because he run out of its area while Exodus was posing before attack- this time you won't have space to run away from a telepath whose maximal area of effect was WORLDWIDE, who won't be giving idiotic dramatic talks before attack or will be smacked to the face by She-Hulk and exhausted in psi-duel with an Eternal before facing you)

Next Scoobs went on about some pretty ridiculous stuff like copying the suit or other mentioned in prep tech being impossible to us- when we have absolutely legal access to samples\holograms in the prep as long as the actual War Suit isn't brought to the battle (decoder and forcefield generators (that withstood full force Superman speedblitz) were legal.
Let me put that ridiculous stuff to the rest:

Zachary repairs a couple of destroyed buildings in seconds with a single spell
http://www.picamatic.com/view/992989_Page_00012/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/992994_Page_00013/

His powers in regards to inanimated stuff\inorganics are close to his cousin's level:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099600_Superman-_016/

Note than repaired building in background is fully electrified in the 1st cadre of second scan. Spell restored power grids, etc. And it took SECONDS.

Magik's organic matter manip. Scoobs uttered something incredibly ridiculous there- like being an X-ally she can't be so powerful to turn humans into mermaids and back. "She must have simply altered skin\blah-blah-blah!"

Thing is, she never even was a full-time X-Woman. The only X-Team she was at was Excalibur which she joined...to help recover Captain Britain from the timestream.

Here's a nice feat, also shows her level of expertise with soul magic:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124711_exc75p22/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124714_exc75p23/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124726_exc75p24/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124719_exc75p25/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124724_exc75p28/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124730_exc75p29/

Does that makes her>25 points? No. That strained her, and she never was that uber in actual combat magic and has just the opposite weakness to Zachary (big troubles affecting\altering inorganics).

I've also shown her recreating fully working bodies for a group of X-Men using energy from Soul Sword to amp herself (Soul Sword IS a standart equipment).

M'gann is subjective to psionic amp (after which she WTFPWNs the person who performed that on her) and Emma has PLENTY of expertise in psionic amping.

So- she has working matter manip, our technology is working (unlike yours), and our plan is plausible.

Unlike yours.

You have no rights to claim actual psi-armour from Black Knight issue for your team, have no skill to recreate them from scratch (you're building psi-blockers to stop one of the 5 best telepaths in the world, BTW, not dealing with someone on level of Monet StCroix).

Alchemy is highly ritualistic things. It depends on plenty of rituals and getting RIGHT INGRIDIENTS IN THE RIGHT SEASON- season, phase of moon etc matters more then just chemical compound. Replicating just that formula but with wrongly prepared chemicals... leads to failure as was shown above.
And Leo has admitted himself that Shift only copies chemical properties.

That leads to another big issue with their prep- no substantial proof than Shift can copy something without having actual sample to make visual\tactile contact. And due to speeding up reactions decreasing actual effectivity of Diablo's potions, adamantium and vibranium having tons of unstable isotopes etc.

Their "intangibility" is simply turning to gaseous state- and the gases can be blown apart in sooo many different ways it isn't even funny. Mine is shunting my mass to different dimension leaving a transparent image- and it helps pretty well against BOTH energy and physical attacks.

Their teleporting can even not be the one- and they showed no scans of COMBAT teleportation while I've presented PLENTY of them which ARE teleportation without doubt.

They tried hard to ridiculise my team, while they themselves have only one character who actually matters in the battlefield (and whose speed will fade after psi-blocker-less Cortez dies).

Ultimo's adaptivity is LINKED to his original cybernethic design. As long as you're transmuting him into different chemical element\compound, it fades.
-------------------------
Summary

They have no psi-blockers (actual ones are illegal as they're not "team's standart equipment" and they have NO SUFFICIENT SKILL to build ones from scratch)

They can't obtain all the data needed in time as they're STILL dependent on the speed of computer, since Cho, even speeded up, is still a HUMAN HACKER who depends on computer. He may think superfast but he still receives info on the speed computer gives to him.

Their desperate argument against psi-resistance without psi-blockers fails due to numerous reasons shown in the scans (they stuck to those psi-blockers cause they're corpses without it).
They have only two attacks presented- gases (won't get past forcefield, and won't be even effective against my main amalgam) and "smuching" (nulled by armours, forcefields, intangibility, elasticity).

The afterthought forest fire is a desperate attack based on misconception. As long as fire doesn't make physical contact with Miss Martian, she's fine (shown on actual scans).

You are brainless vegetables.

Your "teleportation" and "intangibility" leaves your open to kinetic\energy attack.

Teleporting inside your dome or containment is LEGAL as it has nothing to do with OHKO teleporting body parts away\teleporting metal spike to your heart. I'm not harming your actual body by simply teleporting inside your line of defence.

OK. That's all, scans are posted for reference in scan-only posts on that and previous pages.
Good luck.

Scoobless

Scoob's Scan Splosion

Ultimo:

Not quite peak level Ultimo Vs Iron Man and some rock guy

1. http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=awake1ih6.jpg
2. http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=awake2xy5.jpg
3. http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=awake3kc2.jpg
4. http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blast1zp5.jpg

Shows good strength, reactions, durability and energy blasts

The reinforcements, The Iron Legion, arrive in older versions of the IM armour and proceed to get uber-pwned:

5. http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironlegion1fv7.jpg
6. http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironlegion2id2.jpg

War Machine is with them ... he gets pwned too:

7. http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wm1om9.jpg
8. http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wm2gs7.jpg

He actually took out War machine and 5 older version IM suits in that arc, all piloted by people who have used the armours briefly before.

Iron Legion - http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironlegionza1.jpg

Durability:

http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=durable1cb8.jpg

http://img373.imageshack.us/my.php?image=durable2yc1.jpg

(obviously not tourney enhanced at these stages either)

Adaptation:

Gets taken down:

http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightning0ae3.jpg

Same attack later fails:

1. http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightning1cr7.jpg
2. http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightning2nq8.jpg

Minor strength feat:

http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strength1ul7.jpg

Takes on Thor:

1. http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor1nf6.jpg
2. http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor2jc3.jpg

Thor eventually wins, of course, but still impressive.

Diablo:

Lots of stuff for Diablo in the scan bank ... I'll stick to what we used though (don't want to give everything away before the next round)

Force Fields:

1. http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diablo02lc9.jpg

2. http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield1ei1.jpg

Sleeping Gas:

http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diablo03db3.jpg

One of many poisons available:

http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boom1wx7.jpg

Non-violent incapacitation (the kind of gases/potions that we floodedthe battlefield with right at the star):

1. http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=freeze1ew7.jpg
2. http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=freeze2fc1.jpg

3. http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kosthethingqu8.jpg
4. http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ko2gp8.jpg
5. http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ko2fk2.jpg

6. http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=paralasys1or2.jpg

7. http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=paralasys2cu8.jpg

8. http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stunshowerub4.jpg

Can create Vibranium easily:

http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vibranium1rq5.jpg

And once more at full size.....

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9233/bs2ip0.jpg http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2610/bs3ru7.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4761/bs1td8.jpg

B!tchslaps FTW!

big grin