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who wins?

Old school Trigon with out much effort.

These days, DS wins.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Old school Trigon with out much effort.

These days, DS wins. We dont know enough about current seid to give him the win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We dont know enough about current seid to give him the win. Well some of us read DC comics. Trigon is depowered these days. You get on my nerves.

He's depowered, but we don't really know his strength level.

Originally posted by Mindset
He's depowered, but we don't really know his strength level. He's a feeb and DS is destroying the multiverse. He's beaten the old Gods, is going to pwn the gaurdians soon. Logic.

Originally posted by fangirl101
He's a feeb and DS is destroying the multiverse. He's beaten the old Gods, is going to pwn the gaurdians soon. Logic.

Again, we do not know how strong Trigon is.

Did I say Trigon wins, no.

Originally posted by Mindset
Again, we do not know how strong Trigon is.

Did I say Trigon wins, no.
We do know how strong he is. He even stated it himself. He was a multiversal conquerern. Now he is only strong enough to destroy a universe.

Originally posted by fangirl101
We do know how strong he is. He even stated it himself. He was a multiversal conquerern. Now he is only strong enough to destroy a universe. I don't remember him saying he can only conquer a universe.

Got the scan?

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't remember him saying he can only conquer a universe.

Got the scan? Probably. Am i going to bother uploading it and posting it? probably not.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Well some of us read DC comics. Trigon is depowered these days. You get on my nerves. But in another thread you say we dont know about Ds and in this thread you act like you know. You use double standards all the time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
But in another thread you say we dont know about Ds and in this thread you act like you know. You use double standards all the time. Coming from someone who will say prime murders someone and then in athread with prime and thanos, you'll say prime couldn't even kill anyone, I take your statement about as serious as bush running for a third term.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Coming from someone who will say prime murders someone and then in athread with prime and thanos, you'll say prime couldn't even kill anyone, I take your statement about as serious as bush running for a third term. What has current darkseid done on panel? What battle feats does he have? Make your case.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What has current darkseid done on panel? What battle feats does he have? Make your case.
no make yours. what current feats does trigon have on panel? Right.

Originally posted by fangirl101
no make yours. what current feats does trigon have on panel? Right. When did I say that Trigon wins? Reread the thread. You always answer a question with another question.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did I say that Trigon wins? Reread the thread. You always answer a question with another question.
Becuz I gave my reasoning. Trigon on panel says that he only has the power to conquer one universe where he used to be multiversal. On panel in crisis 4, it is stated that DS has conquered the gods that empower captain marvel, and Black Adam. It's also said that DS is dragging the whole multiverse down with his descention by barry. So based off of current statements about each, I gave the win to DS. Now. Please. you are attempting to bother me. and I simply can't let that happen.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Becuz I gave my reasoning. Trigon on panel says that he only has the power to conquer one universe where he used to be multiversal. On panel in crisis 4, it is stated that DS has conquered the gods that empower captain marvel, and Black Adam. It's also said that DS is dragging the whole multiverse down with his descention by barry. So based off of current statements about each, I gave the win to DS. Now. Please. you are attempting to bother me. and I simply can't let that happen. So,you decide who wins based on statements alone? Wow. So,by this logic Odin can defeat the ig because he rocked the multiverse directly while the ig hasnt? Huh?

Originally posted by quanchi112
This user is blocked becuz he apparently cannot understand that niether of these guys have any current feats at thier current power levels and statements and what has happened is all we can go by.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I just threw your own logic right back at you. I never heard of anyone judging a versus matchup by statements alone.

Originally posted by fangirl101
On panel in crisis 4, it is stated that DS has conquered the gods that empower captain marvel, and Black Adam.

Also apparently the god who empowers Cheetah too.

Cheetah: "I'm not technically a meta. My abilities are the gift of a spiteful god, one who's been rather with his survival as of late"

Trigon.

Darkseid takes out the demon.

How does anyone know who wins this if we are using current Seid at this point in time?

Well i'm not using current seid im using him before FC. Trigon before being depowered was taking over millions of worlds.

Originally posted by kevdude
Well i'm not using current seid im using him before FC. Trigon before being depowered was taking over millions of worlds. The equal to Superman?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The equal to Superman?

Is that a bad joke?

Originally posted by kevdude
Is that a bad joke? Im being serious. They were on the same level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Im being serious. They were on the same level.

Really?? Cause if you read OWAW you would defiantly know DS > Supes, after DS hit him twice he was down and bleeding.

Originally posted by kevdude
Really?? Cause if you read OWAW you would defiantly know DS > Supes, after DS hit him twice he was down and bleeding. At the end of OWAW they stalemated. Supes beat him in apokolips now. he beat him with WW's aid in superman/batman. he made Ds flee later in that same book. He was stalemating Ds in countdown 2 before olsen was used.

They are equals.

Originally posted by quanchi112
At the end of OWAW they stalemated. Supes beat him in apokolips now. he beat him with WW's aid in superman/batman. he made Ds flee later in that same book. He was stalemating Ds in countdown 2 before olsen was used.

They are equals.

physically, yes. power wise, no.

Originally posted by Raoul
physically, yes. power wise, no. Agreed. But when they match up they are equals.

Originally posted by quanchi112
At the end of OWAW they stalemated. Supes beat him in apokolips now. he beat him with WW's aid in superman/batman. he made Ds flee later in that same book. He was stalemating Ds in countdown 2 before olsen was used.

They are equals.

Do you consider FF and Galactus equals? You are not telling the whole story again, they stalemated because DS was depowered after destroying Imperiex Primes impervious shell. apokolips now is a cartoon and it was prep time that he was able to beat him in Superman/Batman as they and WW planned it, haven't read where they stalemated in countdown so I'll get that comic and read it. Darkseid could crush Superman in one hand if he wanted, and the real DS is much bigger then Earth so I don't see how he would be physically stronger either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Agreed. But when they match up they are equals.

in physical combat. if darkseid wanted, he could wipe superman from existence with the OE.

but he doesn't...

Originally posted by Raoul
in physical combat. if darkseid wanted, he could wipe superman from existence with the OE.

but he doesn't...

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll198/evilash1990/superman176an.jpg

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll198/evilash1990/superman183rx.jpg

Uh...

ZINGGGGG

Great Scan Ash,

Trigon would so own Superman

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll198/evilash1990/superman176an.jpg

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll198/evilash1990/superman183rx.jpg

Uh...

You do know that the OE beams didn't actually hit Superman right? What if they had? That is the question.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll198/evilash1990/superman176an.jpg

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll198/evilash1990/superman183rx.jpg

Uh...
Superman's heat vision looks funny in that panel as well. Something is a miss about that story.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman's heat vision looks funny in that panel as well. Something is a miss about that story.

Yeah! I get that Supes HV can deflect energy attacks but the OE when directed through the beams are said to be able to pass through any energetic or physical barrier to get to their target, so it doesn't make sense that they were deflected by an energy barrier, especially if Darkseid was specifically intending to remove Supes from existence.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman's heat vision looks funny in that panel as well. Something is a miss about that story. I thought your tune in those stories

Anyone got link to these comics? Pm me

BTW Superman is god like

Originally posted by vansonbee
I thought your tune in those stories

Anyone got link to these comics? Pm me

BTW Superman is god like
I just read the story. Some things that were just way off about it. First of all, DS says that he is stronger than Superman. He's beating Superman. It's not until DS is hit with his own Omegas, do things start turning Superman's way. How can Superman be more powerful than someone when he has to use their own blast against them to soften them up. That means Superman knows that he can't win unless he uses some trickery.

Another thing. The Omegas normally go around any energy barriers. The funny thing is, once Superman hit them with his crazy looking heat vision, the omegas suddenly started acting like they are supposed to. following Superman around. Superman lead the Omegas to DS. That's crazy. How come they hit the HV and then started doing thier target lock thing? That was bad writing.

Next we have Eradicator, and Supergirl holding off the Entire World of Apokolips while Superboy and Matrix get amped by the Mother box. What in the hell? The writer of this story obviously didn't have a handle on the New Gods. Where is Kalibak? Or the billions of uber weapons the New Gods have?

And lastly, DS says you have blinded me, I can longer resort my Omegas. LMAO. So dumb. DS can Use his hands for blast. And something else I noticed about this, Darkseid says he's never been beaten. Does this mean that everytime before this book that DS is shown beaten, is invalid?

The book is crap. It shouldn't be taken seriously.

Here is some scans in Countdown (3) showing what more happened, stuff that someone left out...

Darkseid telling Superman he should have brought the whole Justice League. Darkseid stands victorious over Supes after a brief fight then Ray Palmer disconnects DS control over Jimmy w/new gods powers.
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nv070006rr9.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nv070001bg6.jpg
http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nv070000kn3.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nv070002io5.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nv070003xh7.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nv070004uo7.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nv070005dv1.jpg

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll198/evilash1990/superman176an.jpg

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll198/evilash1990/superman183rx.jpg

Uh...

crap writing.

Originally posted by kevdude
Do you consider FF and Galactus equals? You are not telling the whole story again, they stalemated because DS was depowered after destroying Imperiex Primes impervious shell. apokolips now is a cartoon and it was prep time that he was able to beat him in Superman/Batman as they and WW planned it, haven't read where they stalemated in countdown so I'll get that comic and read it. Darkseid could crush Superman in one hand if he wanted, and the real DS is much bigger then Earth so I don't see how he would be physically stronger either. Uhm you can put whatever spin you want on it but they are equals in combat. Thats all there is to it. I have given examples of it. In OWAW Supes took on eid after getting attacked from Black Racer,etc. Supes recovered. Im not saying Supes can beat him every time but its like heads or tails with these two. Darkseid has wanted to crush Superman and hasnt. You really have nothing.

Originally posted by Raoul
in physical combat. if darkseid wanted, he could wipe superman from existence with the OE.

but he doesn't... I see someone already posted the scan. If it were that easy Seid wouldnt hate Superman so much. Originally posted by Allankles
You do know that the OE beams didn't actually hit Superman right? What if they had? That is the question. He has resisted his beams before.

Originally posted by kevdude
Here is some scans in Countdown (3) showing what more happened, stuff that someone left out...

Darkseid telling Superman he should have brought the whole Justice League. Darkseid stands victorious over Supes after a brief fight then Ray Palmer disconnects DS control over Jimmy w/new gods powers.
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nv070006rr9.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nv070001bg6.jpg
http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nv070000kn3.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nv070002io5.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nv070003xh7.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nv070004uo7.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nv070005dv1.jpg Superman tells them they would just get in the way. Seid couldnt beat Superman and had to use olsen and k-nite to gain an advantage.Originally posted by Raoul
crap writing. Its canon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I see someone already posted the scan. If it were that easy Seid wouldnt hate Superman so much.

different omega.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman tells them they would just get in the way. Seid couldnt beat Superman and had to use olsen and k-nite to gain an advantage. Its canon.

so are all the other instances of seid using the OE to do shit that superman couldn't survive...

those outnumber one badly written showing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm you can put whatever spin you want on it but they are equals in combat. Thats all there is to it. I have given examples of it. In OWAW Supes took on eid after getting attacked from Black Racer,etc. Supes recovered. Im not saying Supes can beat him every time but its like heads or tails with these two. Darkseid has wanted to crush Superman and hasnt. You really have nothing.

I see someone already posted the scan. If it were that easy Seid wouldnt hate Superman so much. He has resisted his beams before.
No. He hasn't resisted the Omega effect. As a matter of fact, The Omega effect never hit Superman. And Superman had to resort to using DS own blast to weaken him. He can't beat DS other wise. It was still crap writing. The Beams were supposed to go around his heat vision. the writer actually had eradicator and Supergirl hold off the entire world of apoc. If that isn't bad writing I don't know what is.

Originally posted by fangirl101
No. He hasn't resisted the Omega effect. As a matter of fact, The Omega effect never beat Superman. And Superman had to resort to using DS own blast to weaken him. He can't beat DS other wise. It was still crap writing. The Beams were supposed to go around his heat vision. the writer actually had eradicator and Supergirl hold off the entire world of apoc. If that isn't bad writing I don't know what is. I think its very convenient to call bad writing when one of your favorite characters doesnt beat someone. He has resisted the omega beams in a new gods book. Supes has the edge in a brawl against seid. The only chance Seid has imo is if he can nail him with the omega effect.

Can someone show me the OE traveling through barriers?

Honestly, I've never seen it shown on the forum, and just never questioned it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think its very convenient to call bad writing when one of your favorite characters doesnt beat someone. He has resisted the omega beams in a new gods book. Supes has the edge in a brawl against seid. The only chance Seid has imo is if he can nail him with the omega effect. Prove it. Show one time that Superman has had the edge against DS without resorting to DS's own beams hitting him. I bet you can't.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Prove it. Show one time that Superman has had the edge against DS without resorting to DS's own beams hitting him. I bet you can't. You make this so easy.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/pic018-4.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/pic019-3.jpg

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll198/evilash1990/superman176an.jpg

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll198/evilash1990/superman183rx.jpg

Uh...

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman495p16.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman495p17.jpg

Originally posted by -K-M-
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman495p16.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman495p17.jpg

i was waiting for you to post lol...

Originally posted by -K-M-
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman495p16.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman495p17.jpg Superman was also fighting others (as well as being a lot slower back then, if we follow the 'lore), and he wasn't defending against the beams... if you want a difference between the scans.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You make this so easy.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/pic018-4.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/pic019-3.jpg Um Sorry. DS had just been blasted by highfather's staff. Which is the Equal of his omegas. You fail. hard.

Originally posted by Raoul
i was waiting for you to post lol...

Almost no real point, as most of the posts in these kind of threads are bitching matches

Originally posted by Raoul
i was waiting for you to post lol... Right now there's two point to prove, can Superman slap Darkseid around w/o his OE being used against himself

and

Superman able to resist OE once hit* Seem OE to trap/teleport superman, has any version of Superman die?

Originally posted by vansonbee
Right now there's two point to prove, can Superman slap Darkseid around w/o his OE being used against himself

and

Superman able to resist OE once hit* Seem OE to trap/teleport superman, has any version of Superman die?
No. He can't. Superman has never once slapped DS around without some form of Source power first hitting DS. period.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Almost no real point, as most of the posts in these kind of threads are bitching matches

aye, they don't tend to last long...

Originally posted by vansonbee
Right now there's two point to prove, can Superman slap Darkseid around w/o his OE being used against himself

and

Superman able to resist OE once hit* Seem OE to trap/teleport superman, has any version of Superman die?

killing superman isn't something dc would do very often...

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Superman was also fighting others (as well as being a lot slower back then, if we follow the 'lore), and he wasn't defending against the beams... if you want a difference between the scans.

Really?

A parademon who didn't even have direct contact with him greatly distracted him? also the fact Superman made a direct comment about the beams were to quick.

another example

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2104-17.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2104-18.jpg

Originally posted by -K-M-
Really?

A parademon who didn't even have direct contact with him greatly distracted him? also the fact Superman made a direct comment about the beams were to quick.

another example

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2104-17.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanv2104-18.jpg I didn't say greatly distracted, but I realize that he was focused on others when it was pretty much too late, but again, he was a lot slower back then.

He saw those beams when they were a foot away from him.

In both of those scans, Superman didn't see them come from Darkseid's eyes as well (meaning he didn't have time to actually get ready for it)... he did in Apok Now.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um Sorry. DS had just been blasted by highfather's staff. Which is the Equal of his omegas. You fail. hard. You asked for something and I provided it. Like I have said the only way for Darkseid to beat Supes is to nail him with the omega effect and it seems to hit Darkseid more than Superman.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
I didn't say greatly distracted, but I realize that he was focused on others when it was pretty much too late, but again, he was a lot slower back then.

He saw those beams when they were a foot away from him.

In both of those scans, Superman didn't see them come from Darkseid's eyes as well (meaning he didn't have time to actually get ready for it)... he did in Apok Now.

He really wasn't focused on others, as Infinity Man warned him about the beam and he tried to react but they were to quick for him

and how far away do you think Superman was when Darkseid did it in apok now?

Except there are other times, when Darkseid was literally standing right in front of Superman, and even further then what Superman did to reflect the beams in apok now and SM didn't counter let alone react

Wow. Great Scans!
OS Trigon 10/20!

Originally posted by -K-M-
He really wasn't focused on others, as Infinity Man warned him about the beam and he tried to react but they were to quick for him

and how far away do you think Superman was when Darkseid did it in apok now?

Except there are other times, when Darkseid was literally standing right in front of Superman, and even further then what Superman did to reflect the beams in apok now and SM didn't counter let alone react They were already circled around them when IM warned him. And if we judge by actions, then it looked like Superman's reaction was to punch it...

At least 10 feet when we still saw him flying. Anyway in battle, and trying to cloak yourself are completely different as far as readiness is concerned.

I never said the beams couldn't hit him, I was just pointing out the obvious differences between your scans and Apok Now. Just because something hits him as well, it doesn't negate others as pis. He tried a different tactic, and it worked (although I believe he tried the same thing against Desaad dressed as Darkseid). Maybe he learned a new tactic against them.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
They were already circled around them when IM warned him. And if we judge by actions, then it looked like Superman's reaction was to punch it...

At least 10 feet when we still saw him flying. Anyway in battle, and trying to cloak yourself are completely different as far as readiness is concerned.

I never said the beams couldn't hit him, I was just pointing out the obvious differences between your scans and Apok Now. Just because something hits him as well, it doesn't negate others as pis. He tried a different tactic, and it worked (although I believe he tried the same thing against Desaad dressed as Darkseid).
I'm confused. What hit Superman and The IM was the yellow finder beams first. Which is why they couldn't react or fight the beams. How is that anything like Apok now? DS didn't even use the finders.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The equal to Superman?
OS Trigon>Supermanx1,000,000

Originally posted by fangirl101
I'm confused. What hit Superman and The IM was the yellow finder beams first. Which is why they couldn't react or fight the beams. How is that anything like Apok now? DS didn't even use the finders. Give me an scan where DS explains the differences.

Besides, they were called the Omega Effect in the same scan...

Anyway, even if true, then your post just shows that the two comparisons are completely different, and doesn't overrule anything about Apok Now. I don't know what you'd be getting at...

Originally posted by tsscls
OS Trigon>Supermanx1,000,000 And?

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Give me an scan where DS explains the differences.

Besides, they were called the Omega Effect in the same scan...

Anyway, even if true, then your post just shows that the two comparisons are completely different, and doesn't overrule anything about Apok Now. I don't know what you'd be getting at...
Superman can't resist the Omega Effect. It's something that happens the instance the finder beams hit and lock on. I'll see if I can find a scan or two.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman can't resist the Omega Effect. It's something that happens the instance the finder beams hit and lock on. I'll see if I can find a scan or two. I think the omega beams and the effect is the same thing. I have never seen it proven otherwise. It all depends on what the writer chooses to call it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman can't resist the Omega Effect. It's something that happens the instance the finder beams hit and lock on. I'll see if I can find a scan or two. What would this have to do with what I was saying earlier?

Originally posted by Red Hulk
They were already circled around them when IM warned him. And if we judge by actions, then it looked like Superman's reaction was to punch it...

At least 10 feet when we still saw him flying. Anyway in battle, and trying to cloak yourself are completely different as far as readiness is concerned.

I never said the beams couldn't hit him, I was just pointing out the obvious differences between your scans and Apok Now. Just because something hits him as well, it doesn't negate others as pis. He tried a different tactic, and it worked (although I believe he tried the same thing against Desaad dressed as Darkseid). Maybe he learned a new tactic against them.

Come on

No Superman was on the ground standing when he counter the OE with heat vision. Except DS has tagged Superman with his beams in combat before merely using them for concussive blasts

and you clearly missed the point as to why I posted it in the first place. Ash posted a random scan, so I did. I didn't make any direct comments on the fight or on either scans hence why I just posted the scans. People were basing their opionion from that one scan, without looking at their full history. Also it was Desaad as Darkseid and before that he tagged Superman without much trouble in the sewer.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Come on

No Superman was on the ground standing when he counter the OE with heat vision. Except DS has tagged Superman with his beams in combat before merely using them for concussive blasts

and you clearly missed the point as to why I posted it in the first place. Ash posted a random scan, so I did. I didn't make any direct comments on the fight or on either scans hence why I just posted the scans. People were basing their opionion from that one scan, without looking at their full history. Also it was Desaad as Darkseid and before that he tagged Superman without much trouble in the sewer. Should I not point out what I saw on the scan?

Huh? Anyway, Darkseid was sent flying, he was still moving when he was at least 10 feet away from Superman.
I know that, I never denied it, I was just using the examples thrown out.

No scans are random thus far in this thread (unless someone posted a picture of the cat threesome or something), and every one of them has had relevance to something.
I never said that was your point as well, I just wanted to show the difference between scans. Now, it has seemed to turn into Apok Now example being pis. I mean, that is the point of showing conflicting scans/bringing up so many.

I know... in fact, I said it was Desaad... and I only pointed out the single tactic. Superman didn't want to be BFR'ed, so he wasn't... when it came to combat.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Should I not point out what I saw on the scan?

Huh? Anyway, Darkseid was sent flying, he was still moving when he was at least 10 feet away from Superman.
I know that, I never denied it, I was just using the examples thrown out.

No scans are random thus far in this thread (unless someone posted a picture of the cat threesome or something), and every one of them has had relevance to something.
I never said that was your point as well, I just wanted to show the difference between scans. Now, it has seemed to turn into Apok Now example being pis. I mean, that is the point of showing conflicting scans/bringing up so many.

I know... in fact, I said it was Desaad... and I only pointed out the single tactic. Superman didn't want to be BFR'ed, so he wasn't... when it came to combat.

you can, but basically saying he was distracted isn't really the case

He wasn't still moving as you can see him kneeling over and clinching the ground when he fired it point blank at superman.

I can post dozens of scans of Darkseid being superior, but all people cling to is his low showings and ignore his high. That's a fact on this board, even if the low showings were PIS/CIS, etc. It very well could be considered PIS, but that's not my point as to why I posted the scans. There is far more instance of Darkseid connecting and hitting SUperman with the beams then against.

He wasn't because he deflected the OE beams with heat vision, hell Orion knocked himself out merely just punching an omega barrier. Darkseid every time he uses his beams does not mean he is sending out a teleportation beam, or time manipulation beam, power stealing beam, etc. So to say Suoerman didn't want to be BFR when we don't even know if that was Darkseid's intention is baseless.

This smiley is so annoying.

Thank you KM, you stopped.

Originally posted by -K-M-
you can, but basically saying he was distracted isn't really the case

He wasn't still moving as you can see him kneeling over and clinching the ground when he fired it point blank at superman.

I can post dozens of scans of Darkseid being superior, but all people cling to is his low showings and ignore his high. That's a fact on this board, even if the low showings were PIS/CIS, etc. It very well could be considered PIS, but that's not my point as to why I posted the scans. There is far more instance of Darkseid connecting and hitting SUperman with the beams then against.

He wasn't because he deflected the OE beams with heat vision, hell Orion knocked himself out merely just punching an omega barrier. Darkseid every time he uses his beams does not mean he is sending out a teleportation beam, or time manipulation beam, power stealing beam, etc. So to say Suoerman didn't want to be BFR when we don't even know if that was Darkseid's intention is baseless. So what, he just ignored everything else besides the beams? We didn't have time to see what he was doing, but he was still fighting them off in the panels we see... and for some reason, IM is still fighting the Parademons two panels afterwards.

However, when he was sent flying through the air, he was at least 10 feet away when he was still moving. So, by that logic, he was at the very least 10 feet away. Where he landed could have been 100 feet away for all we know.

Isn't that the point of showing numerous scans... to try and show something as pis, or contradicting? When you say that there is far more instances of him connecting, then you're implying a wrongdoing in writing, something's skewed, the writer is a Debbie Downer, wtc.

I'm talking about the Desaad instance. In the AN fight, he just didn't want to get 'terminated'.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
So what, he just ignored everything else besides the beams? We didn't have time to see what he was doing, but he was still fighting them off in the panels we see... and for some reason, IM is still fighting the Parademons two panels afterwards.

However, when he was sent flying through the air, he was at least 10 feet away when he was still moving. So, by that logic, he was at the very least 10 feet away. Where he landed could have been 100 feet away for all we know.

Isn't that the point of showing numerous scans... to try and show something as pis, or contradicting? When you say that there is far more instances of him connecting, then you're implying a wrongdoing in writing, something's skewed, the writer is a Debbie Downer, wtc.

I'm talking about the Desaad instance. In the AN fight, he just didn't want to get 'terminated'.

Considering that's what IM told him to do, and the fact Superman wasn't even throwing a punch or even had anyone on him. He even commented the beams were just to quick and they hit him, just like they eventually did with Infinity Man

Errr? We see him crash into the ground and we see him causing a crater from being hit in the ground. He was merely JUST 10 ft away as shown in the scan. Come on man, your being a tad silly now. Also like I said earlier again he was 10 ft away and even closer (EDIT: Meant further) in other instances and he tagged Superman no problem with the beams

Yes, but once again I didn't even want to do that in the first place as I mentioned earlier.

Yeah but that's Dessad, doesn't mean he had the full access to the power of the Omega Beams. So sort of makes it redundent.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Considering that's what IM told him to do, and the fact Superman wasn't even throwing a punch or even had anyone on him. He even commented the beams were just to quick and they hit him, just like they eventually did with Infinity Man

Errr? We see him crash into the ground and we see him causing a crater from being hit in the ground. He was merely JUST 10 ft away as shown in the scan. Come on man, your being a tad silly now. Also like I said earlier again he was 10 ft away and even closer in other instances and he tagged Superman no problem with the beams

Yes, but once again I didn't even want to do that in the first place as I mentioned earlier.

Yeah but that's Dessad, doesn't mean he had the full access to the power of the Omega Beams. So sort of makes it redundent. IM only told him that it was the beams.
And if we follow actions, Superman was throwing a punch at something, or about to flee.
There are a couple possible scenarios to pull from it; personally, I think he was warned of the beams, hit his opponent and then tried to flee (on closer inspection... either that, or he was swinging at something).

You think he simply stopped after hitting the rocks (he didn't get smashed straight into the ground)? 100 feet was hyperbole so I could use this ''
I know, that's been addressed, but at the time of the statement, only three instances were brought up, now we're simply arguing length.

So, why even post scans, and still bring up different encounters? I haven't denied anything about DS hitting him (in fact, I acknowledged it), only made an observation about the two, then three fights.

I brought it up to show a similar occurrence. And you said we didn't know his intentions, when we did in both instances... Darkseid - termination; Desaad - BFR
Does the full power make it faster or something then?

Bed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You make this so easy.

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Still only showing half of what happened in the story . Superman cheap shotted DS while he just regained his powers and getting shot with the Staff along with Superman having a Motherbox to his aid, and let alone another new god Bekka and Batman and that is who DS saw at that 'time' not knowing who else could be there WW or others DS left to regroup and plot. Superman is good at tricks and planning but DS is better, so he easily took him out not wanting to waste any more time (in countdown), he could have grown 100x bigger but didn't.

^^Darkseid cheapshotted Superman in the Superman/Batman arc. Both of these guys cheapshot each other. Superman didnt have a motherbox amp in this story. You are confusing stories yet again. I disagree with him growing at will.

Originally posted by quanchi112
^^Darkseid cheapshotted Superman in the Superman/Batman arc. Both of these guys cheapshot each other. Superman didnt have a motherbox amp in this story. You are confusing stories yet again. I disagree with him growing at will.
You disagree with any showing of any New God that is uber. Should we be surprised. LULZ. I have an instance where Highfather did it. Hell he does it all the time when he's with the Quintessence. two Instances of DS growing at will. One where Orion grows at will. So you disagreeing means what? that it didn't happen. LMAOLMAO. Superman was amped by mother box or some desaad tech.

Originally posted by fangirl101
You disagree with any showing of any New God that is uber. Should we be surprised. LULZ. I have an instance where Highfather did it. Hell he does it all the time when he's with the Quintessence. two Instances of DS growing at will. One where Orion grows at will. So you disagreeing means what? that it didn't happen. LMAOLMAO. Superman was amped by mother box or some desaad tech. When was Superman amped in that story? Did you read it.


I dont hate the new gods which I have stated time and time again. I feel you overrate them and just because I dont see them as powerful as you do that doesnt mean I dont like them. If a poster says a character loses that doesnt mean they hate that character.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When was Superman amped in that story? Did you read it.


I dont hate the new gods which I have stated time and time again. I feel you overrate them and just because I dont see them as powerful as you do that doesnt mean I dont like them. If a poster says a character loses that doesnt mean they hate that character.
You are not to be trusted in your opinion of the New Gods or Wonder Woman. And that is just fact. You misread all of the time. or you purposely put up half a scan to make a point. You hate DS because he reminds u of thanos. And no one can be as powerful as thanos. I'm sure you'll be hating on the Archetect as well. becuz he's like Thanos times a billion. Lulz. Superman was amped in order to pick up highfather's staff. and then desaad sent him str8 into the source. and then he came out of the source. But it doesn't matter since batman was amped when he attaced DS. He had jekkas phaser. And I have plenty of instances where the phaser is shown to amp the user. DS was also blasted by highfather's staff. And I can show instances of it's ridiculous power.

Originally posted by fangirl101
You are not to be trusted in your opinion of the New Gods or Wonder Woman. And that is just fact. You misread all of the time. or you purposely put up half a scan to make a point. You hate DS because he reminds u of thanos. And no one can be as powerful as thanos. I'm sure you'll be hating on the Archetect as well. becuz he's like Thanos times a billion. Lulz. Superman was amped in order to pick up highfather's staff. and then desaad sent him str8 into the source. and then he came out of the source. But it doesn't matter since batman was amped when he attaced DS. He had jekkas phaser. And I have plenty of instances where the phaser is shown to amp the user. DS was also blasted by highfather's staff. And I can show instances of it's ridiculous power. Ok. When was it stated on panel that Superman was amped in any way?

I dont hate Darkseid. How many times do I have to tell you that. So,you are saying that Superman was amped to pick up the staff and that he still currently has this amp? When did he lose it if not?

Well I take it back it was the other story where he had the MB not this but still he could have just grown bigger and swatted Supes away as he did Jimmy. Bekka did have a MB on her so i'm sure DS knew it was around somewhere and didn't let the possibility happen again as that is what Superman meant when he said "Back to the Wall for you", then DS left and met up with Solomon, something much bigger in his plans.

Originally posted by kevdude
Well I take it back it was the other story where he had the MB not this but still he could have just grown bigger and swatted Supes away as he did Jimmy. Bekka did have a MB on her so i'm sure DS knew it was around somewhere and didn't let the possibility happen again as that is what Superman meant when he said "Back to the Wall for you", then DS left and met up with Solomon, something much bigger in his plans. I know it was hunter and prey. Superman punked Seid here and thats all there is to it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok. When was it stated on panel that Superman was amped in any way?

I dont hate Darkseid. How many times do I have to tell you that. So,you are saying that Superman was amped to pick up the staff and that he still currently has this amp? When did he lose it if not?
Name one single time, Superman has shown himself Superior to DS or equal to, with No interference from anyone, and DS not being hit by his own Uber weapon. becuz I can also show where the Omega's are DS only real weakness. And even then, he's powerful enough to take thier blast. You have 30 seconds.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know it was hunter and prey. Superman punked Seid here and thats all there is to it.

It was in Superman/Batman while they fought around the sun. You really don't need to add the end part, you just get ppl going..

Originally posted by kevdude
It was in Superman/Batman while they fought around the sun. You really don't need to add the end part, you just get ppl going.. That was the first time they fought. This was a different time altogether.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That was the first time they fought. This was a different time altogether.
I'm still waiting on you to post one fight between DS and Superman where there was no interference, and Superman won without DS harming himself in the process. What are you waiting on?

How did this tread turn into Superman vs DS?

Originally posted by bats2jm
How did this tread turn into Superman vs DS?
Because there was no way to determine a winner in this thread except with statements.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That was the first time they fought. This was a different time altogether.

Hunter Prey was Superman vs Doomsday, Superman/Batman had Superman vs Darkseid. Not sure where your going with this.. First time Superman used a MB?

Originally posted by Red Hulk
IM only told him that it was the beams.
And if we follow actions, Superman was throwing a punch at something, or about to flee.
There are a couple possible scenarios to pull from it; personally, I think he was warned of the beams, hit his opponent and then tried to flee (on closer inspection... either that, or he was swinging at something).

You think he simply stopped after hitting the rocks (he didn't get smashed straight into the ground)? 100 feet was hyperbole so I could use this ''
I know, that's been addressed, but at the time of the statement, only three instances were brought up, now we're simply arguing length.

So, why even post scans, and still bring up different encounters? I haven't denied anything about DS hitting him (in fact, I acknowledged it), only made an observation about the two, then three fights.

I brought it up to show a similar occurrence. And you said we didn't know his intentions, when we did in both instances... Darkseid - termination; Desaad - BFR
Does the full power make it faster or something then?

Bed.

Yes IM told him it was the beams and we know IM was startled by the beams and worried. Clearly Superman would pick up on that and figure their bad, especially since he has dealt with them before.
and I don't look it at that, and considering how easily Superman avoided the beams in Apoks Now that still should have been no problem for him to react and get away

Yes, because we see the crater being formed soon as when he impacts the ground. Then the next panel Darkseid climbs out and shots his beams, it really was close, far closer then your giving credit to.

Because as I said Ash posted random scans without giving any comment, so I did. That's it

Once again why even make comment about Desaad when he isn't Darkseid? and how do you know those beams were termination beams? All he said the beams are termination itself, similar to what he says to Desaad when he uses the beams as a concussive blast to punish him then kill him. Seriously? We have seen the beams connect with Superman multiple times, do we ignore those and consider those PIS? Or did those beams just apparently go faster as you say?

Trigon 8/10

Originally posted by kevdude
Hunter Prey was Superman vs Doomsday, Superman/Batman had Superman vs Darkseid. Not sure where your going with this.. First time Superman used a MB? I said that was the first time they fought in the superman/batman comic.

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