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Lets say if thanos was able to bring wally and zoom from dc and mind warp them to a level where noone can reverse it. He then tells them to kill every hero and villian on the planet earth including all humans.

Strange somehow manage to sense that there are speedster out there killing civilians and Strange develops a telepathic link with almost every hero/villian letting them know of thanos plans and to prepare for battle.

CIS is off for the speedsters.

Could marvel earth survive this assault or would the flashes kill all.

It really depends, those guys are fast but they have no special senses, so people could hide from them somehow. Actually, the Shadow King may solo.

CIS is off?

Realistically, they could one shot nearly everyone in less than a second. I mean, they circled the Earth 12 times in less than a second and were going so fast Superman couldn't help Flash.

Well, Flash would end up running out of juice, considering that there's no Speed Force in the MU.

And Zoom is not soloing the planet.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
CIS is off?

Realistically, they could one shot nearly everyone in less than a second. I mean, they circled the Earth 12 times in less than a second and were going so fast Superman couldn't help Flash.

Circling the earth is less than passing through all its surface, specially because of their limited senses.

Originally posted by Bentley
Circling the earth is less than passing through all its surface, specially because of their limited senses.

Ok, but still, they could take out most major hero's instantly. Not many people on marvel Earth have light speed + reactions.

Definitely they would do lots of damage.

Someone Smart is going to invent something to stop them

Someone with alot of psychic powers can put them to sleep or w/e

someone that has magic could also find a way like Strange himself could stop them.

Speed alone is not enough.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Someone Smart is going to invent something to stop them

Someone with alot of psychic powers can put them to sleep or w/e

someone that has magic could also find a way like Strange himself could stop them.

Speed alone is not enough.

Problem here is, if Thanos has told them who the hero's are..

Well, most of them would be dead before they even thought about inventing/mindrape.

facepalm

I didn't see Thanos giving information in the OP, other than to kill people.

Fair enough, then if They don't know who to kill, Earth can beat them down.

Strange could potentially do it anyway, if they tried to kill him he could pause time etc.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Fair enough, then if They don't know who to kill, Earth can beat them down.

Strange could potentially do it anyway, if they tried to kill him he could pause time etc. You realise that Zoom isn't in this timeline, and Flash can time-travel and stop time himself?
Or did you think they're just fast guys?

Originally posted by Juntai
You realise that Zoom isn't in this timeline, and Flash can time-travel and stop time himself?
Or did you think they're just fast guys?

Not in the MU where there is not Speedforce. Juggernaut gives them a challenge. Strange can do it himself. Ghost Rider.

Anyway OP did not give thanos the exact coordinates to each Hero/villian.

Still sticking with the invent a death (looking at doom, reed, Stark, SHEILD, Forge many others), mind rapage (take your freaking pick), or magic ass whoop (um strange is more than enough).

Of we can just go for the MJJ and royally pwn them.

Originally posted by Juntai
You realise that Zoom isn't in this timeline, and Flash can time-travel and stop time himself?
Or did you think they're just fast guys?

Zoom still isn't putting down Ghost Rider, Strange etc.

And Flash is kinda limited via lack o' Speed Force (forgot about that one in my earlier post)

Classic strange wud do it himself.

I assume that the OP didn't mean for a powerless Wally West to be taking on heros and villains of Marvel.

I didnt try to limit flash without the speed force even though he is in marvel. Flash has all of his abilities and thats including the speed force, zoom also.

Originally posted by carver9
I didnt try to limit flash without the speed force even though he is in marvel. Flash has all of his abilities and thats including the speed force, zoom also. i think it's quite ridiculolus that you even had to specify this much for people. ermm

I think they'd lose eventually. This is a nice scenario though.

Originally posted by Galan007
i think it's quite ridiculolus that you even had to specify this much for people. ermm

HUH, galan is there a positive bone in your body? Back to the debate...............................

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Zoom still isn't putting down Ghost Rider, Strange etc.

And Flash is kinda limited via lack o' Speed Force (forgot about that one in my earlier post) Strange isn't what he used to be, in recent stories he's been beat up by ninjas, a guy with a gun almost killed him and he would have died had he not recieved help, and an amatuer magician turned off his connection to his magic powers.


CIS removed, Strange couldn't really do much about Wally. He likely wouldn't get a spell off.

Originally posted by Galan007
i think it's quite ridiculolus that you even had to specify this much for people. ermm As if it wasn't an uphill climb already, they try to take the powers away from the characters, just so they can say Marvel wins.

It's not like Marvel is without speedsters. Hermes, The Asgardian God of speed I forget his name. Along with the Japanese Messenger God that can travel as fast as Hermes.

They are not as fast as Flash or Zoom but I think they would be able to hold them off long enough for someone who can immobilize them to do their thing

Not mention Reed already has machines that can track multiples the speed of light easily.

Thor?
Silver Surfer (who's faster than flash)?
Zeus?
Odin?
Etc?

Thor
Sentry
This new guy Blue Marvel

Yeah...can they solo

Thor
SS
Zeus
Odin
Sentry
WW hulk
etc

Originally posted by carver9
HUH, galan is there a positive bone in your body? absolutely. i was just pointing out the idiocy in people trying to say that flash will be powerless in this battle, because there's no speedforce in marvel.

yeah guys, a powerless red-headed nerd vs. every superpowered being on marvel earth. i'm sure that's what was intended.

Originally posted by Juntai
As if it wasn't an uphill climb already, they try to take the powers away from the characters, just so they can say Marvel wins. pretty much.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Yeah...can they solo

SS
Zeus
Odin
WW hulk these characters are currently on marvel earth?

Originally posted by Galan007
absolutely. i was just pointing out the idiocy in people trying to say that flash will be powerless in this battle, because there's no speedforce in marvel.

yeah guys, a powerless red-headed nerd vs. every superpowered being on marvel earth. i'm sure that's what was intended.

pretty much.

these characters are currently on marvel earth? Isn't Zeus?

i dunno. i know the other characters aren't, though.

Thor?
SS often goes to earth.
Zeus is.
Odin is sometimes.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Thor?
SS often goes to earth.
Zeus is.
Odin is sometimes.

Thor- yes he is back

SS is often on earth but not currently he doesn't belong on earth.

Zeus not sure but on marvel earth? skyfathers have their own realm

Odin is dead

And now Thor has the odin force.

WW hulk too.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
And now Thor has the odin force.red hulk certainly humbled the odin force then, eh? giggle00

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
WW hulk too. no.

I guess Red Hulk > Destroyer

whom are apparently < green hulk. LOLZ.

Lol, comic writing at its best.

Who are all less than Superman.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Thor?
SS often goes to earth.
Zeus is.
Odin is sometimes.

Zeus and Odin are both dead.
The only reason Surfer would come to Earth again is leading Galactus here to eat it.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Zeus and Odin are both dead.
The only reason Surfer would come to Earth again is leading Galactus here to eat it.

I thought SS was a hero on earth for some time.

He was.

After he helped drive off Galactus he was forced to stay on Earth.

Originally posted by Mindset
He was.

After he helped drive off Galactus he was forced to stay on Earth.

So why would he want to lead Galactus to eat earth if he used to protect it?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
So why would he want to lead Galactus to eat earth if he used to protect it? he won't

I dont see Marvel Earths top hitters taking Zoom and Wally out. Guys like Thor and Sentry are good but Zoom without Cis kills both. Wally can beat the rest
like fodder.

Fanboy

Without CIS, Wally becomes one of the most dangerous characters there is.

Originally posted by Mindset
Fanboy Yo mama

Strange thing Iceman... Iceman himself can kill both these guys. Iceman is a immortal, and can transfer his conscienceness (bad spelling) to any for of water at a molecular level meaning that He will always exist atleast on earth. No matter how fast flash or zoom can do idestroy a army of Icemen, he will be able to eventually kill them.

He also has a trick called moisture inversion. Neither flash nor Zoom have the durability to resist it.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Strange thing Iceman... Iceman himself can kill both these guys. Iceman is a immortal, and can transfer his conscienceness (bad spelling) to any for of water at a molecular level meaning that He will always exist atleast on earth. No matter how fast flash or zoom can do idestroy a army of Icemen, he will be able to eventually kill them.

He also has a trick called moisture inversion. Neither flash nor Zoom have the durability to resist it. so.... you honestly believe iceman is going to be the one who beats a CIS-free flash/zoom? naw

Xavier unlocks Iceman's potential, then Bobby solos

But seriously Zoom and Flash aren't winning. Too many people with too many varieties of powers.

Originally posted by Mindset
Xavier unlocks Iceman's potential, then Bobby solos

But seriously Zoom and Flash aren't winning. Too many people with too many varieties of powers.

And people who can fly...

I'd have to check with 2damnloud, but I think Storm could solo.


Also Punisher after just having performed surgery on himself.

Most everyone who could be a threat would probably be dead before anyone knew what was happening.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Most everyone who could be a threat would probably be dead before anyone knew what was happening. Maybe if Zoom and Flash knew who to go after.

Originally posted by Galan007
so.... you honestly believe iceman is going to be the one who beats a CIS-free flash/zoom? naw

so... you honestly think Zoom and flash by themselves can take marvel earth. Equally as ridiculous.

Still believe Zoom and Flash won't be able to beat Iceman either but i'm not sure if he is the one to due them in.

Anyway you guys are giving way too much credit to these two. Yeah they are great even amazing but for them to know who to fight and where and kill everyone before they know what hit them is approaching ridiculousness to the max.

The OP did say "Strange somehow manage to sense that there are speedster out there killing civilians and Strange develops a telepathic link with almost every hero/villian letting them know of thanos plans and to prepare for battle." People will get together and kill them, for some reason you think this is gonna be like Zoom/Flash vs everyone on earth one on one... nope not the case.

Anyway if you guys think from the moment Strange tells everyone "watch out for these two" everyone is gonna be dead a second later? If so peace out you guys are hopeless.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Anyway if you guys think from the moment Strange tells everyone "watch out for these two" everyone is gonna be dead a second later? If so peace out you guys are hopeless.
before Strange can get his thought finished, most of the heroes who could be a threat would be dead.

Originally posted by fangirl101
before Strange can get his thought finished, most of the heroes who could be a threat would be dead. And with 6+ billion people on the Earth they know who to target?

Originally posted by Mindset
And with 6+ billion people on the Earth they know who to target?
Yup. Thanos. And the fact that they would see a great many a news papers while moving at faster than c speeds.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
so... you honestly think Zoom and flash by themselves can take marvel earth. Equally as ridiculous. i never said that, so i don't know what you're calling ridiculous. ermm

Originally posted by fangirl101
Yup. Thanos. And the fact that they would see a great many a news papers while moving at faster than c speeds. No fangirl, just no.

Thanos isn't telling them who to attack or what they can do.

Newspapers don't tell who/where they are or what powers they have.

Most of the strongest people wouldn't even be in newspapers...lmao newspapers, that was a good one.

Originally posted by Galan007
i never said that, so i don't know what you're calling ridiculous. ermm

You don't have to explicitly say anything. I had a opinion on what you would think. According to what you have said so far in the thread one can assume that you are incline to believe Zoom/flash are able to take on MArvel Earth. It would be illogical for me to assume otherwise unless you are being illogical on purpose to throw people off from what you believe but I also assume you would not go in such a elaborate stratagem to trick me into thinking something completely false of you. Not explicitly saying something while alluding to something else is a common tactic used by politicians, watch a debate sometime you see this bs all the time.

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/facepalm.gif

Originally posted by Mindset
No fangirl, just no.

Thanos isn't telling them who to attack or what they can do.

Newspapers don't tell who/where they are or what powers they have.

Most of the strongest people wouldn't even be in newspapers...lmao newspapers, that was a good one.
Why wouldn't they be? We just had the WWH event. I'm sure reporters have reported on that. Most of the strong people were in that barring Thor. You had That God aweful beautifully drawn crossover a while back. Slips my mind. The one were iron man was registering heroes. I'm sure that was reported on as well.

THOR STALLS

REED THINKS

FLASH AND ZOOM DIE

Originally posted by fangirl101
Why wouldn't they be? We just had the WWH event. I'm sure reporters have reported on that. Most of the strong people were in that barring Thor. You had That God aweful beautifully drawn crossover a while back. Slips my mind. The one were iron man was registering heroes. I'm sure that was reported on as well. Ignoring the fact that neither one of them will stop to read a newspaper, it would not tell them of the people's powers or were they are, nor would it make mention of the majority of the people this pair would have to fight.

On top of that you don't even have anything to back up your claim.

In conclusion.

http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff344/hockeymookie23/facepalm.png

The Blob solos.

Wolverine solos.

wasp ftw

This is a moronic thread, but equally moronic are the posters who act like the Flash and Zoom are characters that are capable of no more than running fast. Further idiocy is displayed when attempting to bring characters into this fight that aren't even currently ON Marvel Earth.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
You don't have to explicitly say anything. I had a opinion on what you would think. According to what you have said so far in the thread one can assume that you are incline to believe Zoom/flash are able to take on MArvel Earth. i implore you to please reread my posts, as i implied nothing of the sort. the fact of me finding it absurd that you believe iceman is capable of beating flash and zoom, really shouldn't lead you to any conclusions regarding my personal opinion on the outcome of this battle.

thank you.

Originally posted by Soljer
This is a moronic thread, but equally moronic are the posters who act like the Flash and Zoom are characters that are capable of no more than running fast. Further idiocy is displayed when attempting to bring characters into this fight that aren't even currently ON Marvel Earth.

ex-friggin-actly . . .

Originally posted by Soljer
This is a moronic thread, but equally moronic are the posters who act like the Flash and Zoom are characters that are capable of no more than running fast. Further idiocy is displayed when attempting to bring characters into this fight that aren't even currently ON Marvel Earth. They did it for the lulz no?

Flash/Zoom probably kill 100s of millions if not billions of people, but they eventually get beat before they can kill everyone.

I believe Flash and Zoom win.

Current herc stomps them all by himself

Oh yea Skyfather Herc?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Oh yea Skyfather Herc?

Yeah, he is an earth based character now and would easily dispose of them.

^ He is now. But 2 years ago (when this thread was made) Herc wasn't overly impressive.

131fist

How long do you think this will last?

Originally posted by carver9
Lets say if thanos was able to bring wally and zoom from dc and mind warp them to a level where noone can reverse it. He then tells them to kill every hero and villian on the planet earth including all humans.

Strange somehow manage to sense that there are speedster out there killing civilians and Strange develops a telepathic link with almost every hero/villian letting them know of thanos plans and to prepare for battle.

CIS is off for the speedsters.

Could marvel earth survive this assault or would the flashes kill all.

No, because the Flashes will be acting a few trillion times faster than the speed of thought. I don't belive Thanos the master plan would not have done this without identifying all Marvel Earth Heroes and giving the Flashes the info. Each hero gets an imp at the same instant. They all die.

They dump Herc in the speed force and drop the multiverse on him. uhuh

Originally posted by Juntai
You realise that Zoom isn't in this timeline, and Flash can time-travel and stop time himself?
Or did you think they're just fast guys?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Not in the MU where there is not Speedforce. Juggernaut gives them a challenge. Strange can do it himself. Ghost Rider.

both points are equally true.......

flash dies pretty easily and idk how zoom would do since his powers are not speed force related...he would do alot i do know that

That's already been covered, Flash isn't weakened in any way.

they win

without CIS..they are too fast for anyone..maybe Doom can steal the Speed Force from Wally or Reed create a device that can defeat anyone he wants like he usually do..

Reed and Doom wouldn't have the time to conjure a thought.

Doom & Reed would need to be their first victims. They would have a chance if Reed was near Susan as she could make then both invisible and then Reed would get a chance to think.

Also do they have a way to kill an intangible Kitty Pryde?

Spite against Zoom and Flash

Originally posted by Stall_19
Doom & Reed would need to be their first victims. They would have a chance if Reed was near Susan as she could make then both invisible and then Reed would get a chance to think.

Also do they have a way to kill an intangible Kitty Pryde? They really wouldn't be able to react fast enough. With time freeze, kinetic stopping, conjuring things out of thin air, and other nonsense they wouldn't stand a chance. Herc however might be different.

Herc can spend time drinking beer while Squirrel Girl solos

Well actually Flash doesn't do anything since the speed force doesn't work on Marvel Earth.

This has been covered several times. They fight at full capability.