Dracula vs. Sabretooth
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DestinyGuy678
this should be interesting
Dracula:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/203818-49603-dracula_super.jpg
Powers:
shapeshifting
ability to turn individuals into vampires
intangibility (a part of his shapeshifting)
enhanced speed/strength/durability
immortal
Sabretooth
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/170/76869-18631-sabretooth_super.jpg
Powers:
enhanced strength/speed/durability
healing factor
Harbinger
Didn't it take Apoc + Abraham Van Helsing to put Dracula down? I'd give him pretty good odds here, personally.
DestinyGuy678
Originally posted by Harbinger
Didn't it take Apoc + Abraham Van Helsing to put Dracula down? I'd give him pretty good odds here, personally. he weakened apocalypse by biting him in an all out fight apoc would probably win
redhotrash
Sabretooth doesnt take a single win here.
Battlehammer
oh pleases if Blade can take atleast even odds aginst drac there no reason some one superior to blade in every senses would not be victorieous
Battlehammer
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he weakened apocalypse by biting him in an all out fight apoc would probably win
probly win..............he was decimate drac.............
Brutacus
Originally posted by Battlehammer
oh pleases if Blade can take atleast even odds aginst drac there no reason some one superior to blade in every senses would not be victorieous
Issn't dracula himself far more superior than blade????
So this could also mean that blade who is far less superior than dracula should be able to take even adds against a guy like sabertooth
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snoopdogg
Originally posted by Brutacus
Issn't dracula himself far more superior than blade????
So this could also mean that blade who is far less superior than dracula should be able to take even adds against a guy like sabertooth
. Yep.
jinzin
Originally posted by Juk3n
nonsense
Cosigned...
In an out and out fight, Sabretooth would be giving Dracula the business. What makes Drac an effective threat are his cheap-ass abilities like forming into mist or using the vampire bite as an auto-win....
Of course... Dracs bite on Wolverine lasted roughly less than a minute, With Creed's HF would it even take?
In a purely physical matchup Creed will have Drac on a defensive position throughout, he just won't be able to perma damage him.
snoopdogg
Originally posted by jinzin
Cosigned...
In an out and out fight, Sabretooth would be giving Dracula the business. What makes Drac an effective threat are his cheap-ass abilities like forming into mist or using the vampire bite as an auto-win....
Of course... Dracs bite on Wolverine lasted roughly less than a minute, With Creed's HF would it even take?
In a purely physical matchup Creed will have Drac on a defensive position throughout, he just won't be able to perma damage him. How can Drac perma damage Creed? Can Drac even beat Creed in a physical fight?
jinzin
I don't think he can on either count to be honest.
snoopdogg
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't think he can on either count to be honest. So...who wins a physical fight?
snoopdogg
Come on man....that's a cop-out.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/Dracula/th_DraculavsWerewolf.jpghttp://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/Dracula/th_DraculavsWerewolf2.jpg
jinzin
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Come on man....that's a cop-out.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/Dracula/th_DraculavsWerewolf.jpghttp://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/Dracula/th_DraculavsWerewolf2.jpg
How?
And what do you think that proves?
snoopdogg
Originally posted by jinzin
How?
And what do you think that proves? Saying a stalemate is a cop-out imo. Atleast give 5.1 odd or something.
And the scans were for sh1ts and giggles. Drac. needs a respect thread.
jinzin
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Saying a stalemate is a cop-out imo. Atleast give 5.1 odd or something.
And the scans were for sh1ts and giggles. Drac. needs a respect thread.
If you suggest that he can't really damage Tooth and I suggest he Tooth can't really damage Drac what else is there? That's a stalemate.
snoopdogg
Originally posted by jinzin
If you suggest that he can't really damage Tooth and I suggest he Tooth can't really damage Drac what else is there? That's a stalemate. Somebody will eventually buckle.
jinzin
How well does Dracula fight without arms or a head?
snoopdogg
Originally posted by jinzin
How well does Dracula fight without arms or a head? Probably not well.
Trackz
Originally posted by jinzin
How well does Dracula fight without arms or a head?
How does Sabretooth dismember/decapitate Dracula when Dracula has the range advantage due to the sword?
snoopdogg
Originally posted by Trackz
How does Sabretooth dismember/decapitate Dracula when Dracula has the range advantage due to the sword? I'm assuming he don't have a sword here.
Trackz
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I'm assuming he don't have a sword here.
it's standard equipment, but are you two talking about a completely unarmed fight?
snoopdogg
Originally posted by Trackz
it's standard equipment, but are you two talking about a completely unarmed fight? We were talking about a physical fight. Just claws and fangs.
Trackz
Originally posted by snoopdogg
We were talking about a physical fight. Just claws and fangs.
well they've both fought Wolverine and Werewolf by Night (although both the werewolf and sabretooth were weaker than their current versions) and Dracula did better against both.
jinzin
Sabretooth makes it his hobby to go out and beat up Wolverine. That's not a point in Dracula's favor.
WBN is a piss poor example of Dracula's superiority too. Not only was that a weaker version of Sabretooth (By about 4 upgrades) but it was ALSO a stronger version of WBN than the one who fought Drac.
Full wolf mode WBN was tossing around GR like a rag doll, the one that Dracula fought was beat up in physical brawls by run of the mill tough guys.... I can't remember the hunter's name but he was like kraven except with no super powers.
WBN didn't go through his extreme transformations and strength upgrades til well after his early fight with Dracula.
GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Juk3n
nonsense
snoopdogg
Originally posted by jinzin
Sabretooth makes it his hobby to go out and beat up Wolverine. That's not a point in Dracula's favor.
WBN is a piss poor example of Dracula's superiority too. Not only was that a weaker version of Sabretooth (By about 4 upgrades) but it was ALSO a stronger version of WBN than the one who fought Drac.
Full wolf mode WBN was tossing around GR like a rag doll, the one that Dracula fought was beat up in physical brawls by run of the mill tough guys.... I can't remember the hunter's name but he was like kraven except with no super powers.
WBN didn't go through his extreme transformations and strength upgrades til well after his early fight with Dracula.
So it's still a stalemate?
jinzin
I'm not sure what kind of answer you're looking for here.
snoopdogg
What is the story behind this full wolf mode WBN?
jinzin
iirc had to do with the wanes of the moon, his control over his own transfrmation and some magic mumbo jumbo that strange referenced once or twice.
He's got his wolfman mode and his werewolf mode.
Wolfman gets beat up by tough guys and can't break chains. Werewolf puts guys like Grey Hulk on his back and tanks multiple punches from Wonderman to the face.
Trackz
Originally posted by jinzin
Sabretooth makes it his hobby to go out and beat up Wolverine. That's not a point in Dracula's favor.
WBN is a piss poor example of Dracula's superiority too. Not only was that a weaker version of Sabretooth (By about 4 upgrades) but it was ALSO a stronger version of WBN than the one who fought Drac.
Full wolf mode WBN was tossing around GR like a rag doll, the one that Dracula fought was beat up in physical brawls by run of the mill tough guys.... I can't remember the hunter's name but he was like kraven except with no super powers.
WBN didn't go through his extreme transformations and strength upgrades til well after his early fight with Dracula.
which is why I stated they were both weaker versions than their current selves. wasn't using them as definitive examples but they are the only two opponents they both have faced.
They both have the same type of healing Dracula may be the more skilled of the two
snoopdogg
Originally posted by jinzin
iirc had to do with the wanes of the moon, his control over his own transfrmation and some magic mumbo jumbo that strange referenced once or twice.
He's got his wolfman mode and his werewolf mode.
Wolfman gets beat up by tough guys and can't break chains. Werewolf puts guys like Grey Hulk on his back and tanks multiple punches from Wonderman to the face. Wolfman mode choked out Savage Hulk once.
jinzin
Originally posted by Trackz
which is why I stated they were both weaker versions than their current selves. wasn't using them as definitive examples but they are the only two opponents they both have faced.
They both have the same type of healing Dracula may be the more skilled of the two In swordsmanship maybe.
jinzin
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wolfman mode choked out Savage Hulk once.
Yeah I saw that.. it was.... well... that's up there with Cap dropping Hulk with a punch to the gut..
snoopdogg
Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah I saw that.. it was.... well... that's up there with Cap dropping Hulk with a punch to the gut..
Werewolf mode...in the same story where he tooled Creed he was nearly put down by a single gunshot. Just saying.
Trackz
Originally posted by jinzin
In swordsmanship maybe. Swordsmanship definitely, has Creed ever had formal training in H2H, he also just seems to dominate his opponents physically, against an opponent who is his equal in terms of physicality (possibly superior) with a greater amount of skill, Creed might get put down.
The only difference in healing is that nothing short of decapitation is going to put down Dracula, but can't creed get taken out eventually by certain kill shots, however brief that may be?
snoopdogg
How does Creed fair with getting a arm or a head chopped off?
Trackz
Originally posted by snoopdogg
How does Creed fair with getting a arm or a head chopped off?
head he gets put down, in Wolverine he just bent down and put it back on.
snoopdogg
Originally posted by Trackz
head he gets put down, in Wolverine he just bent down and put it back on. Didn't he try that with his arm when Logan sliced it off with the Muramasa blade?
jinzin
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Werewolf mode...in the same story where he tooled Creed he was nearly put down by a single gunshot. Just saying. yeah, Jack is wildly inconsistent. It's one of the reasons I don't like using him as a measuring stick. He's been impaled in the head and shrugged it off too. He's all over the place, sometimes uber, sometimes street level. Dracula's similar in that manner.
jinzin
Originally posted by Trackz
Swordsmanship definitely, has Creed ever had formal training in H2H, he also just seems to dominate his opponents physically, against an opponent who is his equal in terms of physicality (possibly superior) with a greater amount of skill, Creed might get put down.
The only difference in healing is that nothing short of decapitation is going to put down Dracula, but can't creed get taken out eventually by certain kill shots, however brief that may be?
Yes, Creed's been trained in Weapon X, by the CIA, under Foreigner, and by multiple shadow groups. He pulls his skill out if he needs it and he's used martial prowess multiple times throughout his career at impressive levels.
Creed's healing ability before his Admantium skeleton implant was fast enough to keep him fighting for 3 days without tire or fatigue against an opponent with claws/fangs/and skill.
Dracula isn't going to put Sabretooth away in a purely physical matchup.
Starscream M
Originally posted by jinzin
Dracula isn't going to put Sabretooth away in a purely physical matchup. drac could potentially break creed's neck
jinzin
Pft... No he can't.
Deadline
Originally posted by jinzin
Dracula's similar in that manner.
No he isn't hes mostly uber.
Deadline
Yea Dracula FTW hes too much.
Omega Vision
Dracula seems to be a low level Herald villain. Honestly he has no business getting matched up against a Low-Mid Meta.
I never understood how Blade was supposed to pose a threat to him.
King Castle
if dracula can get a bite on sabretooth he can win by temporarily controlling sabe long enough to claim a victory.
jinzin
I don't even know that the bite would take an effect given Creed's higher level of healing.
King Castle
i dont know either giving drac's the benefit of the doubt here.
realistically i dont see how it even works on strong willed individuals on the lvl of wolverine and Sabe when he has struggled and stated it himself that others are too hard to maintain...
and including the healing factor it really shouldnt be possible for Dracs but whatever.. he bit Apoxy so i'll let him have it.
Trackz
Originally posted by jinzin
Yes, Creed's been trained in Weapon X, by the CIA, under Foreigner, and by multiple shadow groups. He pulls his skill out if he needs it and he's used martial prowess multiple times throughout his career at impressive levels.
Creed's healing ability before his Admantium skeleton implant was fast enough to keep him fighting for 3 days without tire or fatigue against an opponent with claws/fangs/and skill.
Dracula isn't going to put Sabretooth away in a purely physical matchup.
Wolverine's KO'd him a couple of times through well placed blows to the Brain, no?
Trackz
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Dracula seems to be a low level Herald villain. Honestly he has no business getting matched up against a Low-Mid Meta.
I never understood how Blade was supposed to pose a threat to him.
honestly we really don't know Blade's limitations as a character, he doesn't have many feats.
however we do know that many of dracula's powers that allow him to take on low heralds don't work on Blade, early on in Blade's career he was always dismissed by Dracula.
jinzin
Wolverine has 3 one-foot long claws on each hand made from either mutant lupin-hybrid bone dense and sharp enough to cut through wood, brick, metal, and HULK...... or made from Adamantium dense enough to cut through titianium, omnium, Adamantium coated material and.... and HULK.
What exactly in Dracula's arsenal is going to bypass Sabretooth's "I can take a full on beating from class 100s with a smile on my face" thick ass skull?
King Castle
you mean by wolverine bleeding him 1st taxing his healing factor till only one remains standing with well placed claw strikes?
and the well placed blow to the head was a claw tickling sabe's brain when he was a prisoner at the X-mansion and didnt have his last healin factor upgrade...
jinzin
Originally posted by Trackz
honestly we really don't know Blade's limitations as a character, he doesn't have many feats.
however we do know that many of dracula's powers that allow him to take on low heralds don't work on Blade, early on in Blade's career he was always dismissed by Dracula. yeah.. it's called a plot hole.
Trackz
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine has 3 one-foot long claws on each hand made from either mutant lupin-hybrid bone dense and sharp enough to cut through wood, brick, metal, and HULK...... or made from Adamantium dense enough to cut through titianium, omnium, Adamantium coated material and.... and HULK.
What exactly in Dracula's arsenal is going to bypass Sabretooth's "I can take a full on beating from class 100s with a smile on my face" thick ass skull?
Snapping the neck is a possibility, Dracula would most liekly eventually win in a drawn out battle just because there are less ways to kill him than there are to ko creed
Dum Dum Dugan
why do you have to kill drac? I pretty sure drac can be KOed like anyone else.
also snapping creeds neck would not even put him down and would be a bad move to try anyways by drac. the last thing he wants to do is stay stationary in front of sabre-tooth.
Trackz
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
why do you have to kill drac? I pretty sure drac can be KOed like anyone else.
also snapping creeds neck would not even put him down and would be a bad move to try anyways by drac. the last thing he wants to do is stay stationary in front of sabre-tooth. just as hard to KO Drac as it is to KO creed.
Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Trackz
just as hard to KO Drac as it is to KO creed.
yea but your statement was rather reidculous. You were pretty much saying sabre-tooth ahs to kill drac while drac only has to KO him........which is far from a fair comparison.
kevdude
Looks like a good fight and debate
Trackz
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
yea but your statement was rather reidculous. You were pretty much saying sabre-tooth ahs to kill drac while drac only has to KO him........which is far from a fair comparison. well the only way to put Drac down it to kill him, that's the only way he's ever been put down, that or make him retreat
jinzin
Originally posted by Trackz
Snapping the neck is a possibility, Dracula would most liekly eventually win in a drawn out battle just because there are less ways to kill him than there are to ko creed
Seriously dude? You must have literally no concept of just how durable Creed is. Dracula is not snapping his neck...
There's more possbility of Creed decapitating Dracula by ripping him apart.
Mindset
Originally posted by jinzin
Seriously dude? You must have literally no concept of just how durable Creed is. Dracula is not snapping his neck...
There's more possbility of Creed decapitating Dracula by ripping him apart. Does Drac have class 100 strength?
Snapping his neck wouldn't put him down for a 10 count, but why couldn't he do it?
Trackz
Originally posted by jinzin
Seriously dude? You must have literally no concept of just how durable Creed is. Dracula is not snapping his neck...
There's more possbility of Creed decapitating Dracula by ripping him apart.
I don't think you understand my position. I don't think Dracula out right beats Creed, there are just more ways to drop Creed than to drop Dracula.
Dum Dum Dugan
breaking sabre-tooth neck would not dropped him......
King Castle
it would heal near instantly and last time he was conscious as it happen and repaired itself while flying threw the air from the punch..
753
Depends on how its done, if he just holds his head in an unnatural position, he'll remain crippled and innthe mean time he can be eviscerated. Dracula has more powers than ST and is even harder to put down.
snoopdogg
Is Dracula sliced his throat that would slow Creed down wouldn't it?
753
Yes. but the best option would be just biting and eviscerating him while he is under the influence.
0mega Spawn
I thought dracula could fly?
Trackz
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
I thought dracula could fly? full powers, it's been decided dracula would win, we're talking about a purely physical fight now.
jinzin
Originally posted by Mindset
Does Drac have class 100 strength?
Snapping his neck wouldn't put him down for a 10 count, but why couldn't he do it?
Does he? I remember suggesting that Drac had that level of strength before based on a couple of his appearances and nearly being laughed out of the forums as a result.
Dracula would have to be on the same level of Mrs. Marvel in terms of sheer strength before he could even think about snapping Sabretooth's neck IMO. That's not a valid option for Vlad.
jinzin
Originally posted by Trackz
I don't think you understand my position. I don't think Dracula out right beats Creed, there are just more ways to drop Creed than to drop Dracula.
There are more ways for the people who have the right tools to do it. Dracula is not one of those people barring the possibility of his vamp bite being an auto-win.
the ninjak
Sabs can't touch Drac without Drac turning into mist instantly.
Drac WILL bite Sabs.
Sabs WILL temporarily become a slave even if just for ten minutes.
Drac is stronger and faster than Sabs.
Dracula orders Sabs to imprison/Destroy himself before the curse wears off.
the ninjak
On the physical side Drac pimp slapped Logan like a *****.
Sabs aint nuttin.
Stupid Lupines.
jinzin
Originally posted by the ninjak
Sabs can't touch Drac without Drac turning into mist instantly.
Drac WILL bite Sabs.
Sabs WILL temporarily become a slave even if just for ten minutes.
Drac is stronger and faster than Sabs.
Dracula orders Sabs to imprison/Destroy himself before the curse wears off.
That you think "Sabes ain't nothing" only goes to show how utterly devoid you are of having a credible opinion on this matter.
"On the physical side" Wolverine blitzed Dracula from half a room away and effectively landed his first attack, the only reason Dracula "beat" Wolverine was because for whatever reason Wolverine couldn't tank getting slashed at by his itty-bitty fingernails allowing Drac to go for his throat. Yeah.. the only way Drac managed to beat Wolverine was by writers ignoring what Wolverine tanks from basically his entire rogues gallery at any given time in his career...
Oy....... look. Dracula already bit Wolverine when Wolverine's HF was far far weaker, and Wolverine recovered in a matter of moments..
Wolverine from those years is literally nothing compared to Sabretooth in his most current manifestations. Sabretooth has far greater durability, and WAYYYYYYYYYYY WAYYYYYYYYYYY WAY more rapid healing abilities.
There's also the fact that mental manipulations don't work on Creed and almost any attempt to take his mind over results in psychic backlashes, that Dracula could even overshadow Wolverine's will in that comic was ALSO something that's quite suspect given what we know about his will..... and Sabretooth? The guy's an animal when it comes to sheer will power.
Dracula doesn't phase through attacks when he gets into physical match-ups.. If he tries to brawl with Sabretooth or fight him in any physical manner Creed can and WILL eviscerate the living shit out of him.
the ninjak
Logan had "days" to build an immunity to the curse due to the nanos in his body weakening his HF.
So when Scott reactivated his HF to full level it was ready to purge it.
A genius plan.
Sabs wouldn't have this advantage.
Apocalypse with total control of his molecular structure was seconds away from becoming a slave until he was saved by his mutant ally.
You have to also factor in-
Deafening thunderstorms and gale force winds focusing on Sabs.
Hundreds of rats rushing Sabs as a further distraction.
Vastly stronger strength. Superspeed.
I never said the bite would be permanent just temporary Sabs has never been biten before.
Drac is also a master swordsman. Sabs got his head cut off recently he isn't indestuctible.
He is a team killer Sabs aint.
the ninjak
I just remembered the sword Logan used kills anything so being beheaded by a normal sword will still count as a win regardless.
The guy took Surfer, Dr Strange (with Scarlett Witch and Ms Marvel-Monica) an entire X-team.
Dudes been classified as Low Herald.
753
and wolverine got bitten by jubilee and it took
the ninjak
Originally posted by 753
and wolverine got bitten by jubilee and it took
Scott had nano machines injected into Logan's body to slow down his HF enough for the curse to hold permanently. Then turned it off when they assaulted Utopia. Logan built an immunity while a vampire so shrugged it off upon it returning.
Sabs won't have this advantage.
Plus Dracula's link to Cthon is stronger than a day old vampire like Jubilee.
Plus the pain Logan was in during the purge had him on the ground. Perfect beheading time.
This from a guy who took punishment in Hell.
jinzin
Originally posted by the ninjak
Logan had "days" to build an immunity to the curse due to the nanos in his body weakening his HF.
So when Scott reactivated his HF to full level it was ready to purge it.
A genius plan.
Sabs wouldn't have this advantage.
Apocalypse with total control of his molecular structure was seconds away from becoming a slave until he was saved by his mutant ally.
You have to also factor in-
Deafening thunderstorms and gale force winds focusing on Sabs.
Hundreds of rats rushing Sabs as a further distraction.
Vastly stronger strength. Superspeed.
I never said the bite would be permanent just temporary Sabs has never been biten before.
Drac is also a master swordsman. Sabs got his head cut off recently he isn't indestuctible.
He is a team killer Sabs aint.
Wolverine didn't need to build an immunity to Vampirism.
Wolverine's been able to reverse the effects of vampirism in mere panels as he did recently. The whole point of weakening his HF actually suggests that he couldn't be turned otherwise.
Sabes wouldn't have this advantage? No.. Sabres wouldn't NEED this advantage because his HF is even faster than Wolverine's.
Dracula's strength is all over the place. Classic Drac? Sure. The guy backhanded Surfer and completely pwned Colossus, but he ALSO had problems with Blade, and WBN... Even at his highest strength levels, strength doesn't work on Creed. Even being as strong as Herc didn't help Killpower keep Creed from tearing into him.
His speed? show it. Cause again, you wanted to bring up the Wolverine example... and Wolvie blitzed him.
Sabretooth got his head cut off by the Muramasa sword.... Do you even understand what that blade IS?! (or what you're talking about for that matter...)
The thing was confirmed that it could dice through Colossus and nullified healing factors. It spliced things at the molecular level and the only thing that was shown to stop it was itself, or a loophole laser power built from memories. And both times resulted in a catastrophic explosions knocking out every superhuman in the immediate area...
To my knowledge this isn't a sword fight and Drac isn't bringing one so it's largely irrelevant anyways.
And
ARE. YOU. JOKING?! Lol lol lol!
Sabretooth has been a team stomper since he was in his classic days.
He's killed an entire onslaught of demons from the Darkhold by ripping them apart and he was making fun of it.
Bentley
Drac wins handily, too versatile.
jinzin
The only way he wins is by the vamp bite working... and the vamp bite working is definitely up for debate.
753
Originally posted by Bentley
Drac wins handily, too versatile.
^
Deadline
Originally posted by Bentley
Drac wins handily, too versatile.
Bentley
Originally posted by jinzin
The only way he wins is by the vamp bite working... and the vamp bite working is definitely up for debate.
Hypnosis?
King Castle
Sabe wouldnt give Dracula the time and Sabe will power and personality would fight it buying him time to avoid it.
srankmissingnin
Here comes a Marvel Dracula history lesson!!!! Dracula drank Varnea's blood when he became King of the Vampires. Drinking the blood of the first vampire, amped him and made Dracula the most powerful vampire (other than Varnea) at a strength level of 1 ton. He was latter empowered by the Dark Hold increasing his strength level to 4 tons. Sabretooth is stronger than Dracula, at least twice as strong.
Swatting Colossus doesn't make Dracula class 100 anymore than Sabretooth beating on Rogue, Ms Marvel, Wendigo or Caliban makes him class 100.
Deadline
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Here comes a Marvel Dracula history lesson!!!! Dracula drank Varnea's blood when he became King of the Vampires. Drinking the blood of the first vampire, amped him and made Dracula the most powerful vampire (other than Varnea) at a strength level of 1 ton. He was latter empowered by the Dark Hold increasing his strength level to 4 tons. Sabretooth is stronger than Dracula, at least twice as strong.
I thought his strength lvl was 6, anyway I bet you can't prove that about Sabretooth.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Swatting Colossus doesn't make Dracula class 100 anymore than Sabretooth beating on Rogue, Ms Marvel, Wendigo or Caliban makes him class 100.
It might not but it proves hes badass.
Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Deadline
I thought his strength lvl was 6, anyway I bet you can't prove that about Sabretooth.
I can pretty easily. Sabre-tooth was able to break through a force field (prior to his final upgrade no less) that as designed to stop a raging bull elephant. Bull Elephant can generate over 10 tons of force.
Deadline
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I can pretty easily. Sabre-tooth was able to break through a force field (prior to his final upgrade no less) that as designed to stop a raging bull elephant. Bull Elephant can generate over 10 tons of force.
Yeah I could argue swatting Collous takes more than 4 tons of force. That could also by hyperbole. Anything else?
Mindset
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I can pretty easily. Sabre-tooth was able to break through a force field (prior to his final upgrade no less) that as designed to stop a raging bull elephant. Bull Elephant can generate over 10 tons of force. Just wondering, how do you know how much force a Bull Elephant can produce?
srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Mindset
Just wondering, how do you know how much force a Bull Elephant can produce?
They can weigh up to 4.6 tons and run at 22mph?
srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Deadline
Yeah I could argue swatting Collous takes more than 4 tons of force. That could also by hyperbole. Anything else?
Punching feats. Captain America is a class 100 too!
King Castle
wiki...
and real world science and physics
Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Deadline
Yeah I could argue swatting Collous takes more than 4 tons of force. That could also by hyperbole. Anything else?
No you can't, then you have to argue ever friggin street leveler to being stronger then four tons
how is that hyperbole?
Mindset
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
They can weigh up to 4.6 tons and run at 22mph? Are you asking me?
Where are you getting how fast they can run?
CosmicComet
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Punching feats. Captain America is a class 100 too!
Would you really be surprised if you ever saw Cap lifting a tanker? I mean, its Steve friggin Rogers we are talking about here.
Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Mindset
Just wondering, how do you know how much force a Bull Elephant can produce?
estimations based of knolwedge I have of animals who are less then haft the size of elephants who can generate around 5 tons of force.
CosmicComet
Hell elephants weigh 6 tons as is normally.
Mindset
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hell elephants weigh 6 tons as is normally. Hmm, wiki puts that as their upper limit. Not sure why that would be normal.
Deadline
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No you can't, then you have to argue ever friggin street leveler to being stronger then four tons
Hmm so has Cap ever swatted a brick or any street leveler for that matter
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
how is that hyperbole?
Think about it. Also even if you have class 4 strength you could generate +10 force if you apply yourself properly and you're extremely pissed off.
Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Mindset
Hmm, wiki puts that as their upper limit. Not sure why that would be normal.
because wiki is retarded.
If you guys really want to know the weight I can grab my mammal encyclopedia.
srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Mindset
Are you asking me?
Where are you getting how fast they can run?
I Google'd that shit.
Force = mass x acceleration. We know how fast they run and how much they weigh. Not exactly mass or acceleration... but I'm sure someone who cared could find that as well. So while we can't deduce the exact figures, we can educated guess how much force a 4.6 ton animal running at 22mph would generate. The answer is a butt load.
CosmicComet
The same way a 230 lb man is normal, but not average.
A 6 ton elephant is nothing unusual.
Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Deadline
Hmm so has Cap ever swatted a brick or any street leveler for that matter
Think about it. Also even if you have class 4 strength you could generate +10 force if you apply yourself properly and you're extremely pissed off.
he punch and caused damage to plenty, how is that any different from swating?
no you can't not even thats your limmit. It not force like a punch is, he used his strength to ram him self through the force field. You need the required strength to accomplish it.
ankur29
Originally posted by Mindset
Just wondering, how do you know how much force a Bull Elephant can produce?
Originally posted by ankur29
a charging elephant , sounds like hyperbole and I'll explain why
African elephant has a top speed of 39km/h (10.8m/s)
source: http://a-z-animals.com/animals/african-elephant/
now charging would be full speed times mass
therefore the force field would be designed to stop
(max mass of the elephant on the site of the speed) x top speed of elephant
i.e. 6800kg *10.8m/s =73440 kgm/s
so he'd have to be class 75 to overcome that barrier
regardless the same sabretooth who had Spiderman in a hold , was beaten horribly by Luke cage (who was class 3 at the time I think)
also cap has one shorted the hulk , sabretooth 3 shotting rogue still doesn’t mean he’s class 25 ,also wouldn’t that make him 12.5 x as strong as Logan
Deadline
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
he punch and caused damage to plenty, how is that any different from swating?
Swating sends them flying, thats not what happens when Caps hits bricks.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
no you can't not even thats your limmit. It not force like a punch is, he used his strength to ram him self through the force field. You need the required strength to accomplish it.
Continous force will eventually cause it to buckle. You know rain over time can cause rock to errode.
Mindset
Originally posted by CosmicComet
The same way a 230 lb man is normal, but not average.
A 6 ton elephant is nothing unusual. Except a range was given from 10000 - (~)13000. Your example is flawed, since the "upper limit" for a man is beyond 230lbs, and the upper limit for weight would not be the normal weight of a man.
Mindset
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
because wiki is retarded.
If you guys really want to know the weight I can grab my mammal encyclopedia. I want you to go to Africa and weigh different elephants.Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I Google'd that shit.
Force = mass x acceleration. We know how fast they run and how much they weigh. Not exactly mass or acceleration... but I'm sure someone who cared could find that as well. So while we can't deduce the exact figures, we can educated guess how much force a 4.6 ton animal running at 22mph would generate. The answer is a butt load. OK.
Originally posted by ankur29
So many different calculations, I don't know what to believe, my world has been shaken to its very core.
srankmissingnin
Sabretooth has ripped off and tossed a 5-10 ton industrial air condition, and casually supported the weight of a nuclear blast door with one arm. Maybe it wasn't one of the 25 ton blast doors they have at Cheyenne Mountain, but we are still looking at 5-10 tons with one arm.
CosmicComet
Originally posted by Mindset
Except a range was given from 10000 - (~)13000. Your example is flawed, since the "upper limit" for a man is beyond 230lbs, and the upper limit for weight would not be the normal weight of a man.
10000 to 13000 what? Certainly you don't mean pounds. Because its kilograms (2.2 lbs). The largest recorded Savana Elephant would be 13 tons+ according to this.
6 tons is well under that, and much closer to 4.6 tons.
Be more careful before you haphazardly claim something is flawed like the typical overcharged, flippant poster.
0mega Spawn
wow who cares how strong some elephant is
Deadline
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Sabretooth has ripped off and tossed a 5-10 ton industrial air condition,
How do you know it was 5-10?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
and casually supported the weight of a nuclear blast door with one arm. Maybe it wasn't one of the 25 ton blast doors they have at Cheyenne Mountain, but we are still looking at 5-10 tons with one arm.
Do you know how much the door weighed?
Don Corleone
Originally posted by Bentley
Drac wins handily, too versatile.
No shit Sherlock
Mindset
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
wow who cares how strong some elephant is
Zoologists.
CosmicComet
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
wow who cares how strong some elephant is
The question is, why don't you?
You should spend more time learning about elephants. They are more important than these silly comics you and I read.
Deadline
Originally posted by CosmicComet
The question is, why don't you?
You should spend more time learning about elephants. They are more important than these silly comics you and I read.
haha.
King Castle
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
wow who cares how strong some elephant is
they care b/c forge's nomenclature of a tech force field's power and repelling force was measured by an enraged elephant
Mindset
Originally posted by CosmicComet
10000 to 13000 what? Certainly you don't mean pounds. Because its kilograms (2.2 lbs). The largest recorded Savana Elephant would be 13 tons+ according to this.
6 tons is well under that, and much closer to 4.6 tons.
Be more careful before you haphazardly claim something is flawed like the typical overcharged, flippant poster. Yes, I mean pounds. Since the site I got it from, wiki, used pounds.
Nothing haphazard about my post, apparently.
0mega Spawn
Originally posted by King Castle
they care b/c forge's nomenclature of a tech force field's power and repelling force was measured by an enraged elephant lol oh ok i was getting annoyed at whole page of elephant power... carry on
srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Deadline
How do you know it was 5-10?
Do you know how much the door weighed?
Jinzin posted a bunch of factory specs for industrial air conditioning units years ago.
No clue, I can just say that 25 tons would be the upper limit of the weight. The door would be anywhere from 5-25 tons, Creed supported it in one hand... and on top of the direct weight of the door, he would have been resisting the hydraulic mechanisms that were trying to close it.
Mindset
Sometimes I think we over analyze comics too much.
King Castle
Originally posted by Deadline
How do you know it was 5-10?
Do you know how much the door weighed? your either playing devil's advocate or something else ..
i give you the benefit of the doubt...
if your argument is that objects in comics dont weight the same as real world items and it is flawed to assume so and use real life physics for feats, hell, i will agree with you.
i believe in a measure of disbelief and the character operating within his reasonable strength levels neither extreme high end nor lowballing.
but, it has to also be applied to Dracula when it comes to his strength feats... slapping or tossing Colossus isnt indicative of strength its just a guy hitting a guy that weights a ton or so.
dracula able to match SS or thor 3o yrs ago is suspension of disbelief in the same way Spiderman and BP can tango with firelord or SS or DS and Bats hanging with Supes and Wondy for a few minutes putting up a bad @$$ display of defense which isnt the norm for them in a forum battle nor should be used as such even if you cant get 5, 10 scan feats of the repeated level of shenanigans
Deadline
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Jinzin posted a bunch of factory specs for industrial air conditioning units years ago.
So did the writer consult some factory specs before writing that story?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No clue,
Got it.
Originally posted by King Castle
your either playing devil's advocate or something else ..
i give you the benefit of the doubt...
if your argument is that objects in comics dont weight the same as real world items and it is flawed to assume so and use real life physics for feats, hell, i will agree with you.
i believe in a measure of disbelief and the character operating within his reasonable strength levels neither extreme high end nor lowballing.
but, it has to also be applied to Dracula when it comes to his strength feats... slapping or tossing Colossus isnt indicative of strength its just a guy hitting a guy that weights a ton or so.
dracula able to match SS or thor 3o yrs ago is suspension of disbelief in the same way Spiderman and BP can tango with firelord or SS or DS and Bats hanging with Supes and Wondy for a few minutes putting up a bad @$$ display of defense which isnt the norm for them in a forum battle nor should be used as such even if you cant get 5, 10 scan feats of the repeated level of shenanigans
Whatever this is the guy who thinks that Shiva will beat Blade with a sword eventhough he hasn't got any feats and thinks she will beat Blade with a leapord blow merely because shes used it in a comic.
srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Deadline
So did the writer consult some factory specs before writing that story?
Did he need to? He had Sabretooth lift and throw one, and we found out how much they weigh. Pretty simple process...
Originally posted by Deadline
Got it.
I can't tell you the exact weight, what I can tell you is that blast doors of that size weight any where between 5-25 tons, and that he held it with one hand, supporting the weight of the door and resisting the hydraulics trying to close the door. Which is more than Dracula's class 4 strength.
King Castle
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
lol oh ok i was getting annoyed at whole page of elephant power... carry on here you go so now you can also voice your opinion,,,
Originally posted by jinzin
SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH: Sabretooth is capable of pushing full bore through an energy shield designed by Forge to stop a full grown mad elephant charge.
http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/th_sabesvselephant.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/th_sabesvselephant2.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/th_strongerthananelephant.jpg
Deadline
^ Sabretooth has superhuman speed and would have used it.
Dum Dum Dugan
yes and? the strength required for the feat still putts him far above drac in strength.
King Castle
any inertia he would have needed by using superhuman speed would have bn traumatically reduced by the sudden impact of the field where Sabe is now relying in brute force to continue to push through and the size of the room does not allow for him to gain much speed or make use of his "superhuman Speed".
he was sitting down and was only a few feet from the door..
aside from that its a combination of things but at the end he produced sufficient force to overpower the field design to repel a mad elephant, that in itself shows a good degree of superhuman strength on his part
Deadline
Originally posted by King Castle
any inertia he would have needed by using superhuman speed would have bn traumatically reduced by the sudden impact of the field where Sabe is now relying in brute force to continue to push through and the size of the room does not allow for him to gain much speed or make use of his "superhuman Speed".
he was sitting down and was only a few feet from the door..
aside from that its a combination of things but at the end he produced sufficient force to overpower the field design to repel a mad elephant, that in itself shows a good degree of superhuman strength on his part
You just make stuff up don't you?
Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Deadline
You just make stuff up don't you?
Becuase he being logical, that now means he makes stuff up
This vendetta you have is getting old.
Deadline
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Becuase he being logical, that now means he makes stuff up
This vendetta you have is getting old.
Ohhh the initially inertia would have been lost, there wasn't enough room for him to use his superhuman speed blahblahblah. Just think of something, anything quick!
King Castle
Originally posted by Deadline
You just make stuff up don't you? i'm not the one who is constantly trying to lowball a character's feat and refocus the argument toward the poster in an attempt to discredit them with things that have nothing to do with the thread and its characters.
i posted the scans ppl can see it for themselves... obviously the 1st attempt the field stopped sabe cold, its a logical assumption the field is designed to repel force with a counter force through its energy field... the resulting effect is reducing speed of whatever object is trying to get through it. hence, reduction in inertia..
now i stated sabe went through it via a combination of factors but the noticeable thing displayed is his superhuman strength, willpower and pain threshold..
now pls stop making your personal jabs and comments about me and focus on the argument.
Deadline
Originally posted by King Castle
i posted the scans ppl can see it for themselves... obviously the 1st attempt the field stopped sabe cold, its a logical assumption the field is designed to repel force with a counter force through its energy field... the resulting effect is reducing speed of whatever object is trying to get through it hence, reduction in inertia..
Point is its irrelevant because clearly he would have produced more force from running than he would if he stood still. Not sure if its obvious actually either way it doesn't matter.
Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Deadline
Ohhh the initially inertia would have been lost, there wasn't enough room for him to use his superhuman speed blahblahblah. Just think of something, anything quick!
He right though, though I disagree with there not being enough room. There was enough room to utilize his speed, but perhaps not to his highest level.
However everything else he stated was correct. You would lose your initial inertia for the most part, this is common sense. You just have your hate glasses on, which blinds you from when certain poster make logical points.
Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Deadline
Point is its irrelevant because clearly he would have produced more force from running than he would if he stood still. Not sure if its obvious actually either way it doesn't matter.
true, but he still need more then two times drac strength to break through the field. requardless
King Castle
ever hit those football dummies?
you run into them and the sudden impact shakes and even pushes the dummy back a little but it also causes the player to reduce, stop and slow down his run up to the dummy upon impact..
the player then continues to push toward it ramming it back.. same thing happening here and we know the force needed to overwhelm the field by the statement.
Deadline
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
He right though, though I disagree with there not being enough room. There was enough room to utilize his speed, but perhaps not to his highest level.
He doesn't need to, considering hes supposed to have faster reflexes than Spiderman he should be able to reach a decent speed.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
However everything else he stated was correct. You would lose your initial inertia for the most part, this is common sense. You just have your hate glasses on, which blinds you from when certain poster make logical points.
Yea so he tested to see if the forcefield loses initial inertia did he?
Originally posted by King Castle
ever hit those football dummies?
you run into them and the sudden impact shakes and even pushes the dummy back a little but it also causes the player to reduce, stop and slow down his run up to the dummy upon impact..
the player then continues to push toward it ramming it back.. same thing happening hear and we know the force needed to overwhelm the field by the statement.
1. you don't know that for a fact.
2.
Originally posted by Deadline
Point is its irrelevant because clearly he would have produced more force from running than he would if he stood still. Not sure if its obvious actually either way it doesn't matter.
Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Deadline
Yea so he tested to see if the forcefield loses initial inertia did he?
.
You don't know what inertia is do you, which is obvious because this statement make no senses.
srankmissingnin
I'm really worried about your basic understanding of physics Deadline... do you know what inertia is(a force field quip makes me think that you don't) or Newtons three laws of motion?
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