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I don't know much about shaw but in those scans he said he was amped from the explosion so... does that mean he gets the same deal here?

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I don't know much about shaw but in those scans he said he was amped from the explosion so... does that mean he gets the same deal here?

He absorbs kinetic energy and stuff. The more you hit him the stronger he gets. He can punch walls and build up his strength or order his men to just beat the living daylights out of him so he will get stronger and as you can see a claw to the back of the neck did nothing.

Shaw wins.

What is Logan just stabs him in the face? A slash or blunt truama or a extreme heat force like a explosion is different from shoving a blade into his forehead. Unless he has some kind of healing ability that goes along with such punishment. Or is it just his brute strength and duribility that increases? Because I think if both chracters are at base. Logan aint gonna sit areong and let him punch the wall or something. Logan should if fights smartly just skewer his head. Again idk much about shaw I just want to get my fact straight before i make a decision.

He can absorb a cut, a piercing blow and a thrusting blow from a blade. I like him because he is like a mini Juggernaut.

Shaw is a mutant with the unique ability to absorb kinetic energy to increase his strength, speed, and stamina to superhuman levels. He absorbs the energy of any blow he is struck by, not just punches, but bullets, and to a less successful degree, physically based energy beams, notably Cyclops' optic blasts. He is capable of absorbing the cutting, piercing and thrusting energy from a blade which makes it exceedingly difficult to cut or stab him with sharp edged weapons. Without absorbing energy he is merely a strong ordinary human, but normally Shaw works to keep his strength at a superhuman level. For example, in one instance, he was shown to spend time hitting a wall after waking in order to build up his power reserves. Shaw also can forego sleep if he receives enough kinetic energy. Often he will have his mercenaries pummel him so that he need not sleep for some time. As a way of aiding himself in combat, Shaw is adept at taunting, and will not let enemies realize his power until they have hit him one too many times. Shaw is so adept at turning an opponents attack to his advantage, members of the X-Men have learned the best way to defeat him is to remove him from the field of battle. The most dramatic example of which was when Rogue threw him hundreds of feet directly up into the air, essentially temporarily defeating him.

Thanks Wei, that was great explaination... so Logan ftl

Hmmm.... then... how does one beat him (besides chucking him in the air)? Could a person with vastly superior physical stats be able to punch of shaws head off before he can absorb it or is it like instantaneous? Hence making him literally invincible to physical attack?

damn, guy! the hell happened after that scan!?

anyway--shaw's often underrated. people seem to think it's 'easy' to overload him. he's come damn close to beating magneto straight up, 1on1. i like shaw. he showed his durability in taking that backstab from logan. i think it's the same deal as the logan vs abomination or any one-dimensional brawler--logan should logically be able to land a killing or incapacitating blow at some point if he isn't beaten down quickly enough. shaw's enough to beat him down, but can he do it before logan sticks a claw in his ear or eye?

always a tough call . . .

No problem but I do believe that there is a limit on how much energy he can absorb, because if there wasn't then he could just hire Gambit to charge him into godly status. I believe that punches from the likes of Hulk and Juggernaut would eventually overload him. He also is prone to psionic attacks just like Juggernaut and you usually have to BFR him hence the mini-juggernaut. Those are some ways you could beat him, but sometimes you just gotta chuck a mofo into the sky.

Originally posted by leonidas
damn, guy! the hell happened after that scan!?

anyway--shaw's often underrated. people seem to think it's 'easy' to overload him. he's come damn close to beating magneto straight up, 1on1. i like shaw. he showed his durability in taking that backstab from logan. i think it's the same deal as the logan vs abomination or any one-dimensional brawler--logan should logically be able to land a killing or incapacitating blow at some point if he isn't beaten down quickly enough. shaw's enough to beat him down, but can he do it before logan sticks a claw in his ear or eye?

always a tough call . . .

Agreed, Shaw is underrated and it does take a lot for most to beat him. He is highly intelligent and can use that to his advantage in a fight.

Originally posted by leonidas
damn, guy! the hell happened after that scan!?

anyway--shaw's often underrated. people seem to think it's 'easy' to overload him. he's come damn close to beating magneto straight up, 1on1. i like shaw. he showed his durability in taking that backstab from logan. i think it's the same deal as the logan vs abomination or any one-dimensional brawler--logan should logically be able to land a killing or incapacitating blow at some point if he isn't beaten down quickly enough. shaw's enough to beat him down, but can he do it before logan sticks a claw in his ear or eye?

always a tough call . . .

xavier tries to help daken, but he shrugs off the mental attack..he stabs ms. sinister and is about to kill xavier, logan shows

i post the scans on my break

Shaw can still drown though right?

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Shaw can still drown though right?

TBH IDK. I suppose yes and even though I'm a big fan of his I haven't seen him in a situation where he claimed he didn't have to breath. So as far as I know he does have to breath. With his reserved energy he could probably hold his breath longer at most, but I'm not sure.

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Originally posted by guy222
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So he supposedly beat him off panel?

Originally posted by guy222
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Shaw's debauchries are quite fitting...first he made Gambit charge his nipples now he dominates Wolverine and makes him fist himself. The Inner Circle is truly a sordid place.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
So he supposedly beat him off panel?

Or he snuck into the mansion when the lights were off.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Or he snuck into the mansion when the lights were off.

I like that outcome a lot better. Makes more sense too. Thanks Exodus.

Whoever the writer was, apparently was to lazy to write what happened between Wolvie and Shaw. Way to not know wtf youre doing.:claps:

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Those are some ways you could beat him, but sometimes you just gotta chuck a mofo into the sky.

Wolverine couldn't beat him straight up so he had to use trickery. Which is very effective.

logan can't beat everyone after all...

shaw was overloaded by storm years ago in his first couple of appearances, too bad wolverine lacks the means to replicate that feat.

Storm and Shaw met a few years ago iirc but she must not have thought her lightning would have helped her much because she didn't use it.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Whoever the writer was, apparently was to lazy to write what happened between Wolvie and Shaw. Way to not know wtf youre doing.:claps:
I think it implied they faught in complete darkness and shaw got pwned.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I think it implied they faught in complete darkness and shaw got pwned.

How did he get pwned when Wolverine even stated that the harder he hits him the stronger he gets? You can't pwn someone that way. Running does seem more logical. Shaw is like a mini Juggernaut who only gets stronger and more durable.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
How did he get pwned when Wolverine even stated that the harder he hits him the stronger he gets? You can't pwn someone that way. Running does seem more logical. Shaw is like a mini Juggernaut who only gets stronger and more durable.
............did you read the issue?

........it clearly implied Logan fought him in complete darkness using his senses which shaw did not posses..........meaning shaw was getting repeatedly hit with out landing counters

also shaw has his limits which Logan could and would reach in such a senerior............

Originally posted by Battlehammer
............did you read the issue?

........it clearly implied Logan fought him in complete darkness using his senses which shaw did not posses..........meaning shaw was getting repeatedly hit with out landing counters

also shaw has his limits which Logan could and would reach in such a senerior............

Do you really think he had enough time overload Shaw's limits and then save Charles? Shaw doesn't need to counter to get stronger. What proof do you have that Wolverine can overload him seeing as he has taken more hits by people way stronger than him without being overloaded.

Wolverine was still bleeding when he saved charles so that either says that he quickly left after the lights went out or Shaw still beat his ass when the lights went out. Wolverine heals fast so he should've healed while beating on Shaw as you claim.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Do you really think he had enough time overload Shaw's limits and then save Charles? Shaw doesn't need to counter to get stronger. What proof do you have that Wolverine can overload him seeing as he has taken more hits by people way stronger than him without being overloaded.

Wolverine was still bleeding when he saved charles so that either says that he quickly left after the lights went out or Shaw still beat his ass when the lights went out. Wolverine heals fast so he should've healed while beating on Shaw as you claim.

why does shaw have a worried look on his face? why would loigan point out shw does not hunt by senses...........come on pleases tell me you are not so dense that youa ctually can't comprehend that logan fought him after the power out.


who to say that blood was his?.............also if shaw beat his ass..........then why woudl he show up and not shaw?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
why does shaw have a worried look on his face? why would loigan point out shw does not hunt by senses...........come on pleases tell me you are not so dense that youa ctually can't comprehend that logan fought him after the power out.


who to say that blood was his?.............also if shaw beat his ass..........then why woudl he show up and not shaw?

I am claiming that he ran, well since he was bleeding prior to the lights going out and the fact that you can see blood running from his mouth and a cut on his arm should tell you it is his own blood.

Shaw was worried because he was going to get away and foil his plans.

Hunt, which means to stalk one's prey and kill it. He said that you can't find me in the dark which he used to escape, there was no time for him to fight Shaw, overload him which takes a long ass time and then go and save X.

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Notice the cut on the arm where the blood is coming from. Also how can the blood on Wolverine's face be Shaw's unless he bit him or dug his face in his neck?

Logan did not have a cut in huis arm prior to shutting the lights off which means they had to have fougthen........nor was wolverines suit damage prior to the lights going out...........

your own evidences contradicts what you are saying........which is rubbish by the way

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan did not have a cut in huis arm prior to shutting the lights off which means they had to have fougthen........nor was wolverines suit damage prior to the lights going out...........

your own evidences contradicts what you are saying........which is rubbish by the way

You don't get a good look at his arm in that particular spot until the battle started. He was bleeding on the ground. You can't have your suit damaged and bleeding if you just pwned someone.

How is my argument rubbish? I don't think they would give Wolverine a great feat of overloading Shaw off-panel. He got his ass beat and ran obviously even after trying to fight with the lights off.

Shaw is still the winner in this forum seeing as no lights would be off.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You don't get a good look at his arm in that particular spot until the battle started. He was bleeding on the ground. You can't have your suit damaged and bleeding if you just pwned someone.

How is my argument rubbish? I don't think they would give Wolverine a great feat of overloading Shaw off-panel. He got his ass beat and ran obviously even after trying to fight with the lights off.

Shaw is still the winner in this forum seeing as no lights would be off.
pwn was to strong a word. I ment simply beat.

actaully I think they would and did............if he ran were the hell is shaw? your arguement is rubish. He clearly fought shaw after the lights went out...........shaw never returned...........Logan did............what shaw jsut sitting in the woods? iut retard for you to assume Logan a guy who won't run from the hulk, Ba'al ect would run from shaw it stupid. Logan not scared shaw or anyone really.


never said shaw would not win in the forum.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
pwn was to strong a word. I ment simply beat.

actaully I think they would and did............if he ran were the hell is shaw? your arguement is rubish. He clearly fought shaw after the lights went out...........shaw never returned...........Logan did............what shaw jsut sitting in the woods? iut retard for you to assume Logan a guy who won't run from the hulk, Ba'al ect would run from shaw it stupid. Logan not scared shaw or anyone really.


never said shaw would not win in the forum.

Where is Shaw? Maybe he is trying to find Wolverine since he can't really navigate in complete darkness. Again how is it rubbish?

It's not retarded when someone's life is in danger. When a life is in danger Wolverine doesn't go "Oh time is short to save X but I'm going to completely beat your ass first and then worry about him." Priority was on X, Shaw is probably looking for him. Do you know how long it would take to overload Shaw?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Where is Shaw? Maybe he is trying to find Wolverine since he can't really navigate in complete darkness. Again how is it rubbish?

he on his own property.........u really think he does not know which dirrecting yis houses is is............

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
It's not retarded when someone's life is in danger. When a life is in danger Wolverine doesn't go "Oh time is short to save X but I'm going to completely beat your ass first and then worry about him." Priority was on X, Shaw is probably looking for him. Do you know how long it would take to overload Shaw?
umm for starters...........wolverine had no idea Prof x wa sin trouble...........nor did he assume he would be............also his main ejective was to defeat shaw........so there really no reason he leave shaw standing and run back............

Originally posted by Battlehammer
he on his own property.........u really think he does not know which dirrecting yis houses is is............


umm for starters...........wolverine had no idea Prof x wa sin trouble...........nor did he assume he would be............also his main ejective was to defeat shaw........so there really no reason he leave shaw standing and run back............

Proof that he knew he was in trouble.

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If I go to your house right now and shut off all the power to pitch black will you know exactly where everything is? I highly doubt it.

Please use the spell check because I can't tell what half of the stuff you are saying.

Why wouldn't Shaw just let Wolverine go, it's not like it mattered?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Proof that he knew he was in trouble.

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............are you kidding me..........

shaw does not say what will happen or what he needed x for or evcen that x is in danger. There no reason for Logan to assume the most powerful telepath on the planet and one of the smartest people on the planet would be in any danger.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
If I go to your house right now and shut off all the power to pitch black will you know exactly where everything is? I highly doubt it.

Please use the spell check because I can't tell what half of the stuff you are saying.

.........he was right out side he house..........all Logan did was cut the lights out side his house............if you did that to me dam straight I could get back inside my house.......there no reason shaw would not know hopw to get back inside his house which is at best 30 feet away..........



nope im afraid your not worth the spell check

Originally posted by Battlehammer
............are you kidding me..........

shaw does not say what will happen or what he needed x for or evcen that x is in danger. There no reason for Logan to assume the most powerful telepath on the planet and one of the smartest people on the planet would be in any danger.



.........he was right out side he house..........all Logan did was cut the lights out side his house............if you did that to me dam straight I could get back inside my house.......there no reason shaw would not know hopw to get back inside his house which is at best 30 feet away..........



nope im afraid your not worth the spell check

I think its safe to say that he didn't want X to do something good for the benefit of mankind.

X didn't know Claudine was there so he can't obviously defend himself against a surprise attack which was proven so yeah he was in danger, if he didn't think he could ever be in danger then he wouldn't have warned X to leave if something goes down and then make the same claim when shit does go down.

I don't think that X went through the door that he Shaw came out of, I think he went to an entirely different room/part of his property.

Its good to know that I'm not worth the effort for you to sound/seem intelligent and have more than 3rd grade level grammar.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix

Its good to know that I'm not worth the effort for you to sound/seem intelligent and have more than 3rd grade level grammar. lawl

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I think its safe to say that he didn't want X to do something good for the benefit of mankind.
..........yes, but that gives Logan no reason to assume he need Logans help they werent going to a picknick after all. X knows the risks and wolverine knows he can handle him self.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
X didn't know Claudine was there so he can't obviously defend himself against a surprise attack which was proven so yeah he was in danger, if he didn't think he could ever be in danger then he wouldn't have warned X to leave if something goes down and then make the same claim when shit does go down.
...........x knew there was a telepath there.........he even states so to Logan.........

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I don't think that X went through the door that he Shaw came out of, I think he went to an entirely different room/part of his property.

Its good to know that I'm not worth the effort for you to sound/seem intelligent and have more than 3rd grade level grammar.
does not matter.........shaw knows were claudine is he have no trouble going there at all........only the lights out side were cut not the ones inside..........

so your entire arguements foolish. If Logan ran shaw would have fallowed.......Logan clearly fought and defeated him which is why shaw make it there.........and which is why Logan has ripps in his suit he did not have before and is also why Logan cut out the lights inorder toi give him selof the advantage.



If you think so and being intellegent and seeming so are not that same thing.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
..........yes, but that gives Logan no reason to assume he need Logans help they werent going to a picknick after all. X knows the risks and wolverine knows he can handle him self.


...........x knew there was a telepath there.........he even states so to Logan.........


does not matter.........shaw knows were claudine is he have no trouble going there at all........only the lights out side were cut not the ones inside..........

so your entire arguements foolish. If Logan ran shaw would have fallowed.......Logan clearly fought and defeated him which is why shaw make it there.........and which is why Logan has ripps in his suit he did not have before and is also why Logan cut out the lights inorder toi give him selof the advantage.



If you think so and being intellegent and seeming so are not that same thing.

If he knew he could handle himself then why would he tell him to run? that makes no sense. He said don't argue with me just run if I say so.

So X knew someone else was there and still got caught off guard and beat? So what does that say about Wolverine's judgment of character and ability?

I think that they were outside until X walked in the room which means that it would be hard to see where you are going even if you are at home.

Good to know seeing as you have yet to show either.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
If he knew he could handle himself then why would he tell him to run? that makes no sense. He said don't argue with me just run if I say so.
when did he say that again? Im not seeing it.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
So X knew someone else was there and still got caught off guard and beat? So what does that say about Wolverine's judgment of character and ability?
have you even read the issue? clearly you have not............X never got beat..........he won........he however trigger the mental block in daken mind which had trigger mental type assault which attack him. It had nothing to do with shaw or his telepath..........


Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I think that they were outside until X walked in the room which means that it would be hard to see where you are going even if you are at home.

Good to know seeing as you have yet to show either.
...............the lights inside the house still work...........and shaw was at best 30 feet away..........he have no trouble getting back into his house.......unless some one prevented in............like the man fighting him..........

I not sure what your not crasping here...........



says the man that thinks shaw unitterupted could not find his way back into his home from 30 feet away in darkness.........

Originally posted by Battlehammer
when did he say that again? Im not seeing it.


have you even read the issue? clearly you have not............X never got beat..........he won........he however trigger the mental block in daken mind which had trigger mental type assault which attack him. It had nothing to do with shaw or his telepath..........



...............the lights inside the house still work...........and shaw was at best 30 feet away..........he have no trouble getting back into his house.......unless some one prevented in............like the man fighting him..........

I not sure what your not crasping here...........



says the man that thinks shaw unitterupted could not find his way back into his home from 30 feet away in darkness.........

Told him to keep going and don't look back in the first scan.

Yeah X was the winner seeing as he was on the ground helpless.

You're right, I'm not crasping anything seeing as I don't know what crasp means.

Says the man who thinks Wolverine had enough time to fight him, overload him and then save X before he died. Why didn't Wolverine just say "I can overload you and win" or why didn't he do it when the lights were on unless Shaw is also a better fighter than he is?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Told him to keep going and don't look back in the first scan.

............so..........thats not telling him to run that telling him to complete his objective and not worry about (Logan). In no way is that telling him to run away.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Yeah X was the winner seeing as he was on the ground helpless.

........go read the issue before speaking. He neevr got beat. He trigger a trap set in daken mind by romulas/weapon x.........who suposes to be an apoc level threat.
It had nothing to do with shaw or his telepath.



Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Says the man who thinks Wolverine had enough time to fight him, overload him and then save X before he died. Why didn't Wolverine just say "I can overload you and win" or why didn't he do it when the lights were on unless Shaw is also a better fighter than he is?
.........now your jsut being foolish.

we have no idea how Long x was in daken mind or how long his fight with miss sinster was. Logan likly had plenty of time. Logan had no reason to believe x could not defeat another telepath........seeing as how x is the best telepath on the planet............


why would Logan tell sahw what he plan to do?

........he could not do it in a straight fight because shaw to powerful. He grows faster and stronger. Logan needed to shift the battle field in his favor. By making shaw unable to see it gave him a hgue advantage, becuases even though shaw becames stronjger and faster he can't beat what he can't hit. Logan could keeping land successiveful hits while recieving far less counter acts landing on himself.

In the preview art for Origins 30, Wolverine tells Daken that he is no match for him, Daken says something like "Big words from someone who looks like he just got his ass kicked," and Wolverine nonchalantly says "This isn't my blood."

Wolverine didn't run from Shaw, that should be painfully obvious, even if you didn't read the preview pages, by their exchange when Wolverine cut the power...

The only way Wolverine wins this is if they fight in a freezer, and that's if Shaw still possesses that particular weakness still.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In the preview art for Origins 30, Wolverine tells Daken that he is no match for him, Daken says something like "Big words from someone who looks like he just got his ass kicked," and Wolverine nonchalantly says "This isn't my blood."

Wolverine didn't run from Shaw, that should be painfully obvious, even if you didn't read the preview pages, by their exchange when Wolverine cut the power...

Yet the blood in the pic Guy posted showed it coming from a cut and his mouth.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
............so..........thats not telling him to run that telling him to complete his objective and not worry about (Logan). In no way is that telling him to run away.


........go read the issue before speaking. He neevr got beat. He trigger a trap set in daken mind by romulas/weapon x.........who suposes to be an apoc level threat.
It had nothing to do with shaw or his telepath.




.........now your jsut being foolish.

we have no idea how Long x was in daken mind or how long his fight with miss sinster was. Logan likly had plenty of time. Logan had no reason to believe x could not defeat another telepath........seeing as how x is the best telepath on the planet............


why would Logan tell sahw what he plan to do?

........he could not do it in a straight fight because shaw to powerful. He grows faster and stronger. Logan needed to shift the battle field in his favor. By making shaw unable to see it gave him a hgue advantage, becuases even though shaw becames stronjger and faster he can't beat what he can't hit. Logan could keeping land successiveful hits while recieving far less counter acts landing on himself. So Wolverine hides in the Shadows and potshots Shaw ? . What happens then single hits are not going to hurt Shaw and it would take a long time for Shaw to lose his power . If Wolverine potshots Shaw then hides again in the shadows the fight is essentially a stalemate since one or two hits are not going going to put shaw down and those two hits will slightly increase Shaws power. The most logical course for Logan would have been to avoid Shaw .

Shaw easily.

Logan couldn't beat him straight up so he resorted to bullsh!t and tricks.

Unless they fight in a pitch black room it looks like Shaw'll take it.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Logan couldn't beat him straight up so he resorted to bullsh!t and tricks.

Wouldn't really call it bull, a trick yes, but if Superman came to your house right now bloodlusted and slapped you around a bit. You then find an uzi loaded with kryptonite bullets would you not shoot him?

Wolverine was godamm lucky Shaw allowed him to reach the lights imo.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Wouldn't really call it bull, a trick yes, but if Superman came to your house right now bloodlusted and slapped you around a bit. You then find an uzi loaded with kryptonite bullets would you not shoot him?

Worst analogy ever.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Wouldn't really call it bull, a trick yes, but if Superman came to your house right now bloodlusted and slapped you around a bit. You then find an uzi loaded with kryptonite bullets would you not shoot him? I wouldn't need a uzi with K-nite bullets to beat Supes.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Yet the blood in the pic Guy posted showed it coming from a cut and his mouth.
well the preview says other wises........and you assumed it was from a cut......which it was not

Originally posted by godking
So Wolverine hides in the Shadows and potshots Shaw ? . What happens then single hits are not going to hurt Shaw and it would take a long time for Shaw to lose his power . If Wolverine potshots Shaw then hides again in the shadows the fight is essentially a stalemate since one or two hits are not going going to put shaw down and those two hits will slightly increase Shaws power. The most logical course for Logan would have been to avoid Shaw .
who says Logan would need to pot shot shaw? You do realize Logan could just sneak up behind shaw and slash the shit out of him. Logan has no problems fighting in the dark. Logan likly just attack shaw all over and shaw was at a complete disadvatange becauses he can't see what he swinging at and his opponet has no trouble locationg him....oh and Logan has excellent night vision.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
well the preview says other wises........and you assumed it was from a cut......which it was not
Seeing as the blood started right where the cut was I would say that it was from a cut.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wolverine was godamm lucky Shaw allowed him to reach the lights imo.

True.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Worst analogy ever.

How so?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I wouldn't need a uzi with K-nite bullets to beat Supes.

Touche...

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Seeing as the bood started right where the cut was I would say that it was from a cut. The bood?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Seeing as the bood started right where the cut was I would say that it was from a cut.
who says that was a cut?

also a cut that size would not produce any were near that amount of blood......

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wolverine was godamm lucky Shaw allowed him to reach the lights imo.
.....allowed? look like shaw got his ass tossed....how would he prevent logan from reaching the lights?

Originally posted by Mindset
The bood?

you win this round.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
who says that was a cut?

also a cut that size would not produce any were near that amount of blood......

Now you are just being a troll. Who says that it isn't a cut? Prove that it isn't a cut. You are so foolish.

.

http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.6128.Preview:_Wolverine:_Origins_%2330

in the first image of the preview Logan straight up states it not his blood.....

Originally posted by guy222
http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/977852_X-Men_-_Legacy_218_023.jpg

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix

notices how there are lines all over Logan body that look just like that one and non of them are bleeding........so your cut theory holding little weight and the fact Logan states it not his blood......really makes it non debatable.......

Originally posted by Battlehammer
http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.6128.Preview:_Wolverine:_Origins_%2330

in the first image of the preview Logan straight up states it not his blood.....

Just because someone says it doesn't mean it is always true and I don't care what he said the picture before that is a cut.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
notices how there are lines all over Logan body that look just like that one and non of them are bleeding........so your cut theory holding little weight and the fact Logan states it not his blood......really makes it non debatable.......

Then please explain what it is and why blood is conviently leaking from that one particular spot.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Just because someone says it doesn't mean it is always true and I don't care what he said the picture before that is a cut.
even though non of the other lines that look just like that one are bleeding......and the fact Logan states it not his blood......

now your just trolling

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Then please explain what it is and why blood is conviently leaking from that one particular spot.

dirt or simply a line.....notice how his other arm has the same lines with no blood coming from them?


either way your hole theory that Logan ran is wrong

Originally posted by Battlehammer
dirt or simply a line.....notice how his other arm has the same lines with no blood coming from them?


either way your hole theory that Logan ran is wrong

Yeah dirt that is conviently placed in a straight line that makes a lot of sense.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Yeah dirt that is conviently placed in a straight line that makes a lot of sense.
yes it does. the artist been doing it from the start. if you look at the second scan he has that same line no blood.


there just lines not cuts. Logan states it not his blood, shaw does not uses piercing attacks, non of the other lines are bleeding nor was the same line previously bleeding......meaning it not his blood

Originally posted by Battlehammer
yes it does. the artist been doing it from the start. if you look at the second scan he has that same line no blood.


there just lines not cuts. Logan states it not his blood, shaw does not uses piercing attacks, non of the other lines are bleeding nor was the same line previously bleeding......meaning it not his blood

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/974534/X-Men_-_Legacy_218_011.jpg.html

That is the best shot of that arm and there is no line there.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
.....allowed? look like shaw got his ass tossed....how would he prevent logan from reaching the lights? Shaw was dusting himself off because he was getting his expensive suit dirty as Logan was crawling in a puddle of his own blood to the light post.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/974533/X-Men_-_Legacy_218_010.jpg.html

lines clearly right there

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Shaw was dusting himself off because he was getting his expensive suit dirty as Logan was crawling in a puddle of his own blood to the light post.
oh yea ur right.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/974533/X-Men_-_Legacy_218_010.jpg.html

lines clearly right there

That line is slanted, the bleeding one is straight, not the same line.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
That line is slanted, the bleeding one is straight, not the same line.
Im pritty sure it the same line. There are lines all over his body that are not bleeding. There not cuts it just the way the artist draws. Which is made even more evident by the fact wolverine states there it not his blood.

also if you look at the blood notice the blood near his hand and it not connected to the other blood........meaning there no possiable way it came from your illegeded cut.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Im pritty sure it the same line. There are lines all over his body that are not bleeding. There not cuts it just the way the artist draws. Which is made even more evident by the fact wolverine states there it not his blood.

also if you look at the blood notice the blood near his hand and it not connected to the other blood........meaning there no possiable way it came from your illegeded cut.

One line is slanted and the other isn't. Also those previews don't really follow the previous one seeing as his outfit has been magically repaired. That is a cut and blood is coming from it. Shaw stomps Wolverine 10/10.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
One line is slanted and the other isn't. Also those previews don't really follow the previous one seeing as his outfit has been magically repaired. That is a cut and blood is coming from it. Shaw stomps Wolverine 10/10.

becuases of the angle of his arm........

yes those previews do. it the very next issue..........


no it not and he even states it not his blood.


it pointless you will believe what you wish even though it clearly condricts what the author says.


just like you saying wolverine ran away........which was retarded.........any senseable person knows it was implied they fought after the lights went out.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
becuases of the angle of his arm........

yes those previews do. it the very next issue..........


no it not and he even states it not his blood.


it pointless you will believe what you wish even though it clearly condricts what the author says.


just like you saying wolverine ran away........which was retarded.........any senseable person knows it was implied they fought after the lights went out.

Draw a straight line on a piece of paper right now and change your viewing angle. You will still see that the line is still straight.

The very next issue and his outfit has been fixed. We all know that doesn't make sense. Explain why his outfit has been repaired.

Didn't you say Wolverine wasn't a mutant back then even though the author clearly stated it? Hypocrisy much?

Does Wolverine's suit have a healing factor also?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Does Wolverine's suit have a healing factor also?

Apparently.

Let's switch gears here for a second. What kind of strength would it take to beat Wolverine up so severely to the point he needed to resort to trickery?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Does Wolverine's suit have a healing factor also?
scrw up by the artist whoopy due. not the first time......unless you think he now has the power to magical change his outfit at will within a single pannel

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Draw a straight line on a piece of paper right now and change your viewing angle. You will still see that the line is still straight.
thats not the same for a body....if you move your arm the line would change........whiuch is what happen.....

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
The very next issue and his outfit has been fixed. We all know that doesn't make sense. Explain why his outfit has been repaired.


mistake by the artist.......

what else do yuou think it was? they take place right after one another.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Didn't you say Wolverine wasn't a mutant back then even though the author clearly stated it? Hypocrisy much?
I messed up which I stated. I should have said he not the same as other mutants and they werent sure what he was, but they said he clearly was not the same as the others which I showed with a scan of the event.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.6128.Preview:_Wolverine:_Origins_%2330

in the first image of the preview Logan straight up states it not his blood..... because Wolverine would never lie about such a thing

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Let's switch gears here for a second. What kind of strength would it take to beat Wolverine up so severely to the point he needed to resort to trickery?
no idea and with shaw it speed and power. also Logan takes advantages were he see them reguardless if he could beat them with out such tactics.

shaw was likly pushing close to class 100 if not class 100

Daken might be able to tell if it was Logan's blood, but that's just a presumption.

Originally posted by Starscream M
because Wolverine would never lie about such a thing
why would he lie? that be pritty dumb seeing as how if it was not shaw blood shaw be there already......or showing up within seconds.......

Logan had no reason to lie.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
no idea and with shaw it speed and power. also Logan takes advantages were he see them reguardless if he could beat them with out such tactics.

shaw was likly pushing close to class 100 if not class 100 I've never seen Logan manhandled like that by pure power. Except when he fought WWHulk.

Originally posted by Cavalier
Daken might be able to tell if it was Logan's blood, but that's just a presumption.
actaully daken could tell if Logan was lieing for sure and daken would call logan on bullshit if he was lieing

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I've never seen Logan manhandled like that by pure power. Except when he fought WWHulk.
true. It was speed and power. shaw gets stronger and faster

Originally posted by Battlehammer
true. It was speed and power. shaw gets stronger and faster Shaw also seemed to think he was strong enough to bend Logan's bones. But that may have been a stretch.

Originally posted by guy222
http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/977852_X-Men_-_Legacy_218_023.jpg

Since we are all here what do you people say about the line on wolverine's arm? The one where blood is leaking from.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Shaw also seemed to think he was strong enough to bend Logan's bones. But that may have been a stretch.
naw he can't he might have believed he could, but he would have been mistaken. though he must of been pritty amp in terms of strength even to state such a thing.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Since we are all here what do you people say about the line on wolverine's arm? The one where blood is leaking from. To me it looks like a cut where blood is leaking from.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Since we are all here what do you people say about the line on wolverine's arm? The one where blood is leaking from.
yet not a single other line has blood coming from it.

the blood near logan hand does not match with your theory of it coming from a cut.

logan states it not his.

shaw uses blunt attacks not piercing.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully daken could tell if Logan was lieing for sure and daken would call logan on bullshit if he was lieing

Or he would just tell him to shut up like he did and fight. If he can tell if it was Wolverine's blood then wasn't he correct when he said he was in no condition to fight seeing as he saw it as his own blood?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
true. It was speed and power. shaw gets stronger and faster

And more durable.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
why would he lie? that be pritty dumb seeing as how if it was not shaw blood shaw be there already......or showing up within seconds.......

Logan had no reason to lie.

Maybe to intimidate?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
thats not the same for a body....if you move your arm the line would change........whiuch is what happen.....



mistake by the artist.......

what else do yuou think it was? they take place right after one another.


I messed up which I stated. I should have said he not the same as other mutants and they werent sure what he was, but they said he clearly was not the same as the others which I showed with a scan of the event.

Ok then take a marker and draw a straight line on your arm and tell me if the angle changes. A straight line will never slant up.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
To me it looks like a cut where blood is leaking from.
why arnt any of the other lines showuing blood?

if you look at how the artist draws he simply uses a lot mof random lines.....non of the others show blood.

on top of that we have logan stating it not his and to someone who cna detect if one is lieing.......

all evidences from the writer points to it not being his. even the blood spater near his hand is not consistent with it coming from a cut on his arm

Originally posted by Battlehammer
why arnt any of the other lines showuing blood?

if you look at how the artist draws he simply uses a lot mof random lines.....non of the others show blood.

on top of that we have logan stating it not his and to someone who cna detect if one is lieing.......

all evidences from the writer points to it not being his. even the blood spater near his hand is not consistent with it coming from a cut on his arm That's how it looks to me. The blood starts right where the line is drawn.

Frankly, I think it was probably an artistic error, as the artist might have only had notes like "splash page: a blood covered Wolverine appears, brandishing claws, says this:"

Either way, even if it WAS Logan's blood, it still means Logan stayed to fight, implying he won...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
why would he lie? that be pritty dumb seeing as how if it was not shaw blood shaw be there already......or showing up within seconds.......

Logan had no reason to lie. uh really? someone just said he got his ass handed to him.

He would lie just to save face.

Remember when BP said he didn't need Logan's help...you thought he was lying. BP had no reason to lie either except to save face.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Or he would just tell him to shut up like he did and fight. If he can tell if it was Wolverine's blood then wasn't he correct when he said he was in no condition to fight seeing as he saw it as his own blood?


No daken would say he lieing......

umm logans the one that says "your in no condition to fight" not daken.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix




Maybe to intimidate?

.
........have you even read the arcs?

Daken has shown no fear of anyone logan would not bother intimidating some one who has shown no fear of him and even no fear of an opponet Logan himself has feared.......

Originally posted by Cavalier
Frankly, I think it was probably an artistic error, as the artist might have only had notes like "splash page: a blood covered Wolverine appears, brandishing claws, says this:"

Either way, even if it WAS Logan's blood, it still means Logan stayed to fight, implying he won...
cosigned

Originally posted by Starscream M
uh really? someone just said he got his ass handed to him.

He would lie just to save face.

Remember when BP said he didn't need Logan's help...you thought he was lying. BP had no reason to lie either except to save face. BP is a character whose pride is a central part of who he is. Whether it's a black thing or just a BP thing, his independence is extremely important to him (or, at least, that's my take).

Logan, on the other hand, kicks peoples asses while bleeding all the time. I'd find it extremely hard to believe that he's a character who would feel shamed because somebody drew their blood- it's probably be more likely to make a comment like "You should see the other guy" or "Good ol' healing factor" if it was his blood.

Granted, I'm not the writer, but we're all trying to read between the lines at this point, so it's just my two cents.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That's how it looks to me. The blood starts right where the line is drawn.
why don't any of the other lines have blood then?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
naw he can't he might have believed he could, but he would have been mistaken. though he must of been pritty amp in terms of strength even to state such a thing. Logan's bones are unbreakable....not unbendable. Hulk has never tried to bend logans bones.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
why don't any of the other lines have blood then? Maybe they were not deep enough to bleed? I'm not saying Wolverine ran, I am saying it looks like blood is leaking from that wound. The edge of the blood runs flush with the cut on his arm.

Originally posted by Cavalier
it's probably be more likely to make a comment like "You should see the other guy" or "Good ol' healing factor" if it was his blood.
true

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No daken would say he lieing......

umm logans the one that says "your in no condition to fight" not daken.


........have you even read the arcs?

Daken has shown no fear of anyone logan would not bother intimidating some one who has shown no fear of him and even no fear of an opponet Logan himself has feared.......

They call Daredevil the man without fear yet people still try to put fear into him.

Originally posted by Starscream M
uh really? someone just said he got his ass handed to him.

He would lie just to save face.

Remember when BP said he didn't need Logan's help...you thought he was lying. BP had no reason to lie either except to save face.

differnces is Logan does not lie like that. Logan states when he gets beat......he does not lie about it.


Black panther on the other ahnd has repeatedly lied to save face. It part of his cocky manner and character.

Logan character not like that he actaully admitts when he gets beat or out matched

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Maybe they were not deep enough to bleed? I'm not saying Wolverine ran, I am saying it looks like blood is leaking from that wound. The edge of the blood runs flush with the cut on his arm.
and yet none of the other lines are bleeding and some of the other lines are far bigger.......it just does not add up......and shaw only using blunt force not piercing

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Logan character not like that he actaully admitts when he gets beat or out matched I've seen Logan talk smack to and act as if he could beat Juggernaut lol

Originally posted by Battlehammer
and yet none of the other lines are bleeding and some of the other lines are far bigger.......it just does not add up......and shaw only using blunt force not piercing It does not matter how long a cut it. It's how deep it is.

9/10 people are gonna say it looks like that cut is leaking blood.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
They call Daredevil the man without fear yet people still try to put fear into him.
thats not the same.


just becuases your known for something does not make it so.

Logan knows his son not scared of him, it been proven so he have no reason to intimated some one he straight up kn ows does not fear him

Originally posted by Battlehammer
and yet none of the other lines are bleeding and some of the other lines are far bigger.......it just does not add up......and shaw only using blunt force not piercing Blunt force can open cuts just like a knife.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
It does not matter how long a cut it. It's how deep it is.

9/10 people are gonna say it looks like that cut is leaking blood.
yet the line looks no worse then anyone other line......

the artist draws lines all over yet non show blood else were.

the blood near his hand could not have come from the suposes cut.

Logan states it not his blood.

shaw does not have percing attacks.......

Originally posted by Mindset
Blunt force can open cuts just like a knife.

they can, but it hard and even harder to do so to an arm

Originally posted by Battlehammer
yet the line looks no worse then anyone other line......

the artist draws lines all over yet non show blood else were.

the blood near his hand could not have come from the suposes cut.

Logan states it not his blood.

shaw does not have percing attacks....... There is no indication on how deep any of those cuts are. But that cut does appear to be leaking blood.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I've seen Logan talk smack to and act as if he could beat Juggernaut lol

Exactly and please don't act like he can really take on Cain.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
thats not the same.


just becuases your known for something does not make it so.

Logan knows his son not scared of him, it been proven so he have no reason to intimated some one he straight up kn ows does not fear him

How so? DD never shows fear and people stll try to intimidate him. DD does not show fear as well. As stated before he has tried to intimidate Cain.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Logan's bones are unbreakable....not unbendable. Hulk has never tried to bend logans bones.
in order to bend his bones they have to beable to be damage and broken.......which condrodicts the fact of them being unbreakable.......

Originally posted by snoopdogg
There is no indication on how deep any of those cuts are. But that cut does appear to be leaking blood.
I dont think it even a cut I think it jsut how the dude draws.


who cares either way Logan defeated shaw.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix




How so? DD never shows fear and people stll try to intimidate him. DD does not show fear as well. As stated before he has tried to intimidate Cain.
wolverine never has.


Logan does not attempt to intimidate people who do not fear him. He may talk smack, but he does not try and scare them because he knows he can't........he can smell fear......

Originally posted by Starscream M
I've seen Logan talk smack to and act as if he could beat Juggernaut lol
actaully Logan stated he could not take cain...........even on his best day.

Originally posted by Battlehammer


who cares either way Logan defeated shaw. From my past experiences off-panel wins are too shady. Sh!t the writer couldn't logically write Logan beating Shaw so he left it up to the fans.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully Logan stated he could not take cain...........even on his best day.

exactly yet he still talks smack to him.

Originally posted by Battlehammer


who cares either way Logan defeated shaw. exactly.

Why are you guys arguing whether Logan got cut or not?

I just saw the scan in question, and he definitely did get a cut.

But I also think Logan would beat Shaw. Shaw can't put Logan down.

In the scans, Shaw was ALREADY POWERED up by an explosion. In this thread, he isn't powered up, so he's much weaker and stronger. And I doubt he wants to try to absorb energy from Logan's claws.

Also even in the scans, Logan fought like an idiot. Instead of stabbing his claws through Shaw when his back was turned, Logan merely swipes at him. Logan could've killed Shaw right there.

Logan wins 10/10

edit I dont care.

Shaw was a idiot for stopping his assault to talk to Charlie.

al tat matter is logan did defeat shaw..........though wei over there still denies it and thinks Logan ran..........which is beyond me how he came to such a conclusion when ever other person so what was implied but him

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Shaw was a idiot for stopping his assault to talk to Charlie.
shaw cocky what else is new

Basically that fight was divided in two part. Logan got the jump on him in the second fight and still got WTF pwned.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Basically that fight was divided in two part. Logan got the jump on him in the second fight and still got WTF pwned.
but in the end won.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
edit I dont care.

When talking smack with the intention to intimidate then yeah...

Their relationship? Juggernaut has no relationship with him besides the occasional beatdown. He could care less about him and vice versa.

reminded me of how badly colossus got stomp on by red

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix


Their relationship? Juggernaut has no relationship with him besides the occasional beatdown. He could care less about him and vice versa.
actually jugg likes wolverine.........he even stated he enjoys fighting along side him.......

Originally posted by Battlehammer
reminded me of how badly colossus got stomp on by red Red stomped Logan just as bad.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Shaw was a idiot for stopping his assault to talk to Charlie. that fight isn't representative anyways. Shaw was supercharged with energy.

In this thread, he isn't. So you can't use that fight as evidence that Shaw could manhandle Wolverine.

Originally posted by Starscream M
exactly.

Why are you guys arguing whether Logan got cut or not?

I just saw the scan in question, and he definitely did get a cut.

But I also think Logan would beat Shaw. Shaw can't put Logan down.

In the scans, Shaw was ALREADY POWERED up by an explosion. In this thread, he isn't powered up, so he's much weaker and stronger. And I doubt he wants to try to absorb energy from Logan's claws.

Also even in the scans, Logan fought like an idiot. Instead of stabbing his claws through Shaw when his back was turned, Logan merely swipes at him. Logan could've killed Shaw right there.

Logan wins 10/10

Wow....Shaw can absorb stab wounds easily. Shaw already starts out with a decent amount of strength and durability.

Shaw can't put him down when his strength is reaching the 100s as time passes by?

Shaw has taken more than Wolverine's claws, Shaw stomps him.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Red stomped Logan just as bad.
not really logan did better.....colossus kind fought like an idiot........

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Wow....Shaw can absorb stab wounds easily.

really? can someone confirm?

glad shaw getting some respect him and pierce are two bad asses who are underrated.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
not really logan did better.....colossus kind fought like an idiot........ Logan and Colossus both got owned. Red is on another level.

Originally posted by Starscream M
that fight isn't representative anyways. Shaw was supercharged with energy.

In this thread, he isn't. So you can't use that fight as evidence that Shaw could manhandle Wolverine.

He will build up his strength and durability. If regular Shaw can take punches from Rogue and Rogue with She-Hulk amped strength then why can't he take Wolverine?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Logan and Colossus both got owned. Red is on another level.
it true red is. red is crazy powerful. dude go so many powers it crazy.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He will build up his strength and durability. If regular Shaw can take punches from Rogue and Rogue with She-Hulk amped strength then why can't he take Wolverine? Actually Shaw's durability is always high. That's why he can absorb massive punches, explosions, etc.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
If regular Shaw can take punches from Rogue and Rogue with She-Hulk amped strength then why can't he take Wolverine?

So if Mike Tyson can take punches from George Forman, that means he can take knife stabs from my 7 yr old cousin?