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Who wins?

tough match.. i say cap 6/10 because of his superior fighting skill and intelligence

Cap.

Cap is gonna take 6-7/10 unless Lizard seriously ambushes him.

lizard FTW. superior speed/agility/durability etc. healing factor and human intelligence most of the time......sometimes connor intelligence.

The Lizard 7/10

Cap for the majority

Originally posted by tkitna
Cap for the majority

With his shield? Cap.

bucky stalemates

Steve pwns

Steve would win. Bucky? Not so sure... he relies to much on that pistol which would be useless against The Lizard.

Lizard imo would kick his a$$

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Steve would win. Bucky? Not so sure... he relies to much on that pistol which would be useless against The Lizard.

With shield Cap wins, if its is Steve. Bucky probably loses

The Lizard.
All it needs is one smack from the tail, or a scratch or two, and Cap would die from external/internal bleeding.

Spider-Man has punched The Lizard, and hurt his hand in the process.
A metahuman with superstrength has trouble fighting him. What makes you think a normal peak-human like Cap can win??

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
The Lizard.
All it needs is one smack from the tail, or a scratch or two, and Cap would die from external/internal bleeding.

Spider-Man has punched The Lizard, and hurt his hand in the process.
A metahuman with superstrength has trouble fighting him. What makes you think a normal peak-human like Cap can win??

1. Cap gets hit regularly by foes stronger than Lizard and survives for longer than a few hits.

2.Cap has his shield remember, he doesn't need to punch/kick etc the lizard when he can simply belt him with it.

cap will have an extremely hard time Koing the lizard.......even with the shield. when a class 10 hurts his hand all out punchin you......then a non-superhuman in terms of strength is pretty much screwed. i'm sure lizard will have a much easier time KOing him.....with a tail that can literally turn concrete to dust and 12 ton lifting strength. lizard really should dominate here......and cap should be massacred......but i wouldn't say that

Steve was hit by people stronger then the lizard on multiple occasions. He's not gonna beat him, that shield takes away any damage he might recive and his skill with it means hes dropping lizard with it.

Originally posted by namorsubby
cap will have an extremely hard time Koing the lizard.......even with the shield. when a class 10 hurts his hand all out punchin you......then a non-superhuman in terms of strength is pretty much screwed. i'm sure lizard will have a much easier time KOing him.....with a tail that can literally turn concrete to dust and 12 ton lifting strength. lizard really should dominate here......and cap should be massacred......but i wouldn't say that

Again cap regularly shows the ability to get belted by much stronger foes than lizard, this is not disputable.

Hell, he's even got bitten by Ulik...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hell, he's even got bitten by Ulik...

Yup. Wasn't that when Tony Stark said he was impressed with the effectiveness of Steve's armour?

Yeah.

And it should be obvious that Ulik's bite >>> Lizard's bite

That has to be a high showing though.

Cap can definitely hurt the Lizard badly with his shield.

^Most definitely. He's hurt Wonderman with it, so Lizard's no problem.

in a fight such as this, what you need is attributes that justify a win........

Originally posted by namorsubby
in a fight such as this, what you need is attributes that justify a win........

Which Cap has in abundance as-well as numerous feats to back him up. What you THINK SHOULD happen and what Cap has always been shown to do on panel throughout his entire career are two completely different things.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That has to be a high showing though.

True, but the real feat is that Tony Stark was impressed with Cap's armour.

The Lizard gives Spider-Man hell. Don't see Rogers doing much.

^Cap gave Spidey hell, too...

When?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
When?

Amazing Spider-Man #534, for example. Spidey had his "The Other" upgrades and a special suit from Tony Stark. Do you want me to post scans?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
The Lizard gives Spider-Man hell. Don't see Rogers doing much. exactly

Originally posted by Warrior18
Which Cap has in abundance as-well as numerous feats to back him up. What you THINK SHOULD happen and what Cap has always been shown to do on panel throughout his entire career are two completely different things. sure,sure.....you prolly think cap has superhuman attributes above the lizard anyway.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
^Cap gave Spidey hell, too... not nearly as much as the lizard has.........besides that spidey never even wants to engage cap when they fight and he takes advantage of it. CIS

^Spidey holds back when fighting The Lizard, too.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
^Spidey holds back when fighting The Lizard, too. guess you don't know he's went all out and still not stopped him......even hurt his hands on his face.

lizard has taken spidey out in 2 moves......cap's goin down.

Here it's Lizard who could and most probably would hurt himself trying to hit Cap

For years I always thought Spider-Man could beat Captain America. Then I barely survived a thread where Cap beat Spidey 4 for 4, IIRC.

Cap beats the Lizard 7/10.

http://homepage.mac.com/jjbeach/Sites/einheri/music/cap.html

man some people just need to accpet that steve is way above what his handbooks and stuff say

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Here it's Lizard who could and most probably would hurt himself trying to hit Cap

Originally posted by namorsubby
sure,sure.....you prolly think cap has superhuman attributes above the lizard anyway.

No I don't.

Don't put words into my mouth.

I do.

I do. Go ahead and our the words in my mouth


Caps jobber aura = the power cosmic...

:-)

Originally posted by namorsubby


Steve can block EVERY attack coming from Lizard with his shield. You realize that his shield is supposed to be even harder than True Adamantium, right? It was stated on numerous occasions.

If Lizard tried to slash Cap, his claws would break in a result. If he tried to punch him, the hand bones would shatter. Lizard tends to attack with full force. Against the opponent skilled with such shield, that savagery would lead to his defeat.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Steve can block EVERY attack coming from Lizard with his shield. You realize that his shield is supposed to be even harder than True Adamantium, right? It was stated on numerous occasions.

If Lizard tried to slash Cap, his claws would break in a result. If he tried to punch him, the hand bones would shatter. Lizard tends to attack with full force. Against the opponent skilled with such shield, that savagery would lead to his defeat.

nah people have hit the shield and not broke their ands. it doesn't really delfect the force as much as absorb it.

One good hit and Cap goes down.

Originally posted by jalek moye
nah people have hit the shield and not broke their ands. it doesn't really delfect the force as much as absorb it.

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8527/capdd2xr1it8.th.jpg

Credit for the scan goes to King KAM.

There are much more instances of people/metahumans hurting themselves in this way. Don't have the scans right now though.

Originally posted by Stoic
One good hit and Cap goes down.

It's unlikely. Cap can take a lot of punishment, even from superhumans.

Originally posted by Stoic
One good hit and Cap goes down.
thats not true either. steve has taken hits from people with that strength before and gotten up on numerous occasion.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8527/capdd2xr1it8.th.jpg

Credit for the scan goes to King KAM.

There are much more instances of people/metahumans hurting themselves in this way. Don't have the scans right now though.



It's unlikely. Cap can take a lot of punishment, even from superhumans.

i'e never seen a meta human in any comic in the last decade hurt his hand on the shield.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8527/capdd2xr1it8.th.jpg

Credit for the scan goes to King KAM.

There are much more instances of people/metahumans hurting themselves in this way. Don't have the scans right now though.



It's unlikely. Cap can take a lot of punishment, even from superhumans.

Hey who wins the fight between those two? If Cap has a hard time with Daredevil, can you imagine how bad the Lizard would hurt him? The Lizard can run through concrete walls with ease and has survived from being buried under tons of cement while in the sewer, how does Cap put a guy down that can take that kind of punishment?

Originally posted by Stoic
Hey who wins the fight between those two? If Cap has a hard time with Daredevil, can you imagine how bad the Lizard would hurt him? The Lizard can run through concrete walls with ease and has survived from being buried under tons of cement while in the sewer, how does Cap put a guy down that can take that kind of punishment?

The fight ended as a stalemate.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2884/capdd7zf1.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5005/capdd8tm6.jpg

DD gave Spidey a hard time on a few occasions, too...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Steve can block EVERY attack coming from Lizard with his shield. You realize that his shield is supposed to be even harder than True Adamantium, right? It was stated on numerous occasions.

If Lizard tried to slash Cap, his claws would break in a result. If he tried to punch him, the hand bones would shatter. Lizard tends to attack with full force. Against the opponent skilled with such shield, that savagery would lead to his defeat. steve isn't gonna be doin too much blocking against anyone who is several times faster than him. it's crazy to say he can block every sinlge attack from someone with such speed/agility.

like i said.....lizard is now connor intelligent and just as savage.....which gives him even more of an adantage.

Originally posted by Stoic
One good hit and Cap goes down.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Again cap regularly shows the ability to get belted by much stronger foes than lizard, this is not disputable. again, lizard has dropped those with greater durability than cap, not disputable.

edit:

spidey all out punches lizard trying to oneshot......doesn't come close......in fact, he hurts his hands:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/the%20lizard/th_UntoldTalesOfSpider-Man-0916.jpg

lizard one shots spidey......who is much stronger,faster, and more durable than cap:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/the%20lizard/th_UntoldTalesOfSpider-Man-0917.jpg

doesn't get much clearer than this

Originally posted by namorsubby


No he isn't. Firstly because he has his shield,armour, and secondly.............

Doesn't get crushed or incinerated.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1078/captainamericav3021pagesj9.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6997/captainamericav3021pageip7.jpg

No parachute.
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/451/30vf2.jpg
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4737/31eq6.jpg

Doesn't get incinerated, again.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9362/capiii12p24za3.jpg
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/3973/capiii12p25zr7.jpg

Guess what? No incineration.
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav303809kr0.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav3038107utd8.jpg

Cap takes the beating of a superhumanly enhanced Red Skull. Notice how he is practically used as a wrecking ball against concrete and brick walls.

http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram3ku4.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram4sq5.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram5tm4.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram6lj1.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbatterinram8wv7.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=battterinram9mq5.jpg

After receiving his famous Civil War thrashing at the hands of Iron Man then having his hearing obliterated by some kind of psionic attack he then gets caught in an explosion.

http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c15cq1.jpg

Guess what? Broken leg,cuts some bruises then he is up again.Next issue he is injury free and barking orders.

http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c16wf1.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c17ly4.jpg

Cap will survive the train crash. The train is laden with tonnes of C-4 explosive.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9797/ca0117nl4.jpg

He has also in the past I think survived a blood lusted Iron Man, taken punches from Beast, as well as survived against Namor.

Whatever your opinions are on the fight you can't say Lizard kills him with one,two,three etc shots. It would not be that easy.

Originally posted by namorsubby
again, lizard has dropped those with greater durability than cap, not disputable.

edit:

spidey all out punches lizard trying to oneshot......doesn't come close......in fact, he hurts his hands:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/the%20lizard/th_UntoldTalesOfSpider-Man-0916.jpg

lizard one shots spidey......who is much stronger,faster, and more durable than cap:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/the%20lizard/th_UntoldTalesOfSpider-Man-0917.jpg

doesn't get much clearer than this

1.Do you not realise Cap won't be punching or kicking Lizard when he can simply use his shield to hurt him? Cap has damaged foes more durable than Lizard with his shield.

2.Yes Spidey is much stronger than Cap.

Based on feats he isn't that much faster.

More durable? Feats say not by much.

Originally posted by namorsubby
steve isn't gonna be doin too much blocking against anyone who is several times faster than him. it's crazy to say he can block every sinlge attack from someone with such speed/agility.

like i said.....lizard is now connor intelligent and just as savage.....which gives him even more of an adantage.

You're totally right, speedblitz for the win

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/134/gladiatorcap2sq7.th.jpg http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/3139/gladiatorcap1mu1.th.jpg http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5384/gladiatorcap3zw3.th.jpg

Credit for the scans go to kgkg and snoopdogg.

what the hell? lol

Originally posted by Warrior18
1.Do you not realise Cap won't be punching or kicking Lizard when he can simply use his shield to hurt him? Cap has damaged foes more durable than Lizard with his shield.

2.Yes Spidey is much stronger than Cap.

Based on feats he isn't that much faster.

More durable? Feats say not by much. you gotta be out of it. spidey's speed/durability feats trump cap's.


if cap damaged him......he'd immediately start to heal and ignore the pain anyway. cap could break his neck with that shield and all he'd be doing was leaving himself open

Originally posted by namorsubby
you gotta be out of it. spidey's speed/durability feats trump cap's.


if cap damaged him......he'd immediately start to heal and ignore the pain anyway. cap could break his neck with that shield and all he'd be doing was leaving himself open

1.Read my post.Never said Spidey didn't trump him. I said not by much.

2.Cap wouldn't make a move or toss his shield without considering the ramifications. He is a considerably better fighter than Lizard.

there's just not one stat of cap's that justifies a win here.


i can go to a wonder woman vs batman thread and say batman can hurt WW/beat her because he already has done it several times......doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

i can say batman has strength capable of hurting darkseid......because he has, still, who is really gonna take me seriously?

Originally posted by Warrior18
1.Read my post.Never said Spidey didn't trump him. I said not by much.

2.Cap wouldn't make a move or toss his shield without considering the ramifications. He is a considerably better fighter than Lizard. that doesn't compensate for lizard physical advantages. they are too heavy. there's no way cap could evade/block lizard effectively or endure much from him. lizard could evade/endure cap 10 times better, and he could achieve a one hit, one kill with that tail or his claws......cap couldn't kill him even if he had the strength to accomplish a so called "fatal strike"........lizard would just heal and keep going despite it.


odds don't look good for cap.

Originally posted by namorsubby
there's just not one stat of cap's that justifies a win here.


i can go to a wonder woman vs batman thread and say batman can hurt WW/beat her because he already has done it several times......doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

i can say batman has strength capable of hurting darkseid......because he has, still, who is really gonna take me seriously?

*sigh* Lizard is absolutely nothing compared to DS and WW. Batman bloodying DS is an insanely high end feat. Nothing I have posted of Cap's is high end.

Lizard is not so far above Cap physically as (big lol) WW and DS are to Batman. An utterly useless point for you to make.

Still it's a nice way for you to completely ignore Cap's durability showings.

Originally posted by Warrior18
*sigh* Lizard is absolutely nothing compared to DS and WW. Batman bloodying DS is an insanely high end feat. Nothing I have posted of Cap's is high end.

Lizard is not so far above Cap physically as (big lol) WW and DS are to Batman. An utterly useless point for you to make.

Still it's a nice way for you to completely ignore Cap's durability showings. lizard's durability> cap's durability. and then there's the healing factor.


there's no real justification for cap winning here

Originally posted by namorsubby
that doesn't compensate for lizard physical advantages. they are too heavy. there's no way cap could evade/block lizard effectively or endure much from him. lizard could evade/endure cap 10 times better, and he could achieve a one hit, one kill with that tail or his claws......cap couldn't kill him even if he had the strength to accomplish a so called "fatal strike"........lizard would just heal and keep going despite it.


odds don't look good for cap.

Erm why do you keep going on about Cap being unable to block Lizard? He has his shield.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lizard's durability> cap's durability.

lol. I know.

Yet Cap is durable enough not to be one shotted etc as you stated earlier.

Originally posted by namorsubby
that doesn't compensate for lizard physical advantages. they are too heavy. there's no way cap could evade/block lizard effectively or endure much from him. lizard could evade/endure cap 10 times better, and he could achieve a one hit, one kill with that tail or his claws......cap couldn't kill him even if he had the strength to accomplish a so called "fatal strike"........lizard would just heal and keep going despite it.


odds don't look good for cap.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're totally right, speedblitz for the win

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/134/gladiatorcap2sq7.th.jpg http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/3139/gladiatorcap1mu1.th.jpg http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5384/gladiatorcap3zw3.th.jpg

Credit for the scans go to kgkg and snoopdogg.



This ain't exactly his style. Has he dodged any bullets?



Lizard doesn't have enough HF feats to suggest that.

Originally posted by Warrior18
lol. I know.

Yet Cap is durable enough not to be one shotted etc as you stated earlier. lizard has claws and a tail that can both oneshot/kill cap, period.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
This ain't exactly his style. Has he dodged any bullets?



Lizard doesn't have enough HF feats to suggest that. yes he has dodged bullets......and evade spidey. either way he doesn't really have to evade much he comes across......he's bulletproof and even explosion proof to a point.


lol......he certainly does. a broken neck? really? that prolly wouldn't stop lizard even if he couldn't heal from it.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lizard has claws and a tail that can both oneshot/kill cap, period.

The wealth of durability feats Cap has done as well as the few I posted say totally otherwise. Please.

I have no problem with you saying Lizard wins. It's just it is laughable that you think he will one shot Cap or that it will be easy. Feats go completely against what you say.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lizard has claws and a tail that can both oneshot/kill cap, period.

His claws would break against the shield. It would also absorb the force from tail attacks.

Originally posted by namorsubby
yes he has dodged bullets......and evade spidey. either way he doesn't really have to evade much he comes across......he's bulletproof and even explosion proof to a point.


lol......he certainly does. a broken neck? really? that prolly wouldn't stop lizard even if he couldn't heal from it.

If he couldn't heal from it... he'd be dead

Originally posted by Warrior18
The wealth of durability feats Cap has done as well as the few I posted say totally otherwise. Please.

I have no problem with you saying Lizard wins. It's just it is laughable that you think he will one shot Cap or that it will be easy. Feats go completely against what you say. so lizard can't decapitate cap with his claws or KO him with his tail then.......he has Koed those more durable and his claws are well, SHARP......so i'm guessin he can

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If he couldn't heal from it... he'd be dead lol.....you obviously don't know the lizard.

before he heals from horrific fatal wounds.....he keeps on a movin' despite them......it's what he does.

Originally posted by namorsubby
so lizard can't decapitat cap with his claws or KO him with his tail then.......he has Koed those more durability and his claws are well, SHARP......so i'm guessin he can

His claws are too short for decapitation job. Cutting throats yes, decapitation nope.

Originally posted by namorsubby
so lizard can't decapitat cap with his claws or KO him with his tail then.......he has Koed those more durability and his claws are well, SHARP......so i'm guessin he can

1. Sure if Cap just stands there he could decapitate etc him. Yet you completely ignore Cap's shield. Lizard's claws mean jack against the shield. Do you understand this?

2.No he can't KO him with the tail again because Cap has his shield. Also even if he hits Cap full on with the tail and manages to get around the shield.........Cap has taken worse punishment and would not go down easily. That is with the tail, just so you understand.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
His claws are too short for decapitation job. Cutting throats yes, decapitation nope. .........how technical

i'm sure his claws length varies from artist to artist though......i know him pretty well and i've still never heard of him having a set "length of claw"

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol.....you obviously don't know the lizard.

before he heals from horrific fatal wounds.....he keeps on a movin' despite them......it's what he does.

HF is constantly flowing through his body, that's why. And what extreme feats he has, except for taking a dozen or so bullets?

Originally posted by Warrior18
1. Sure if Cap just stands there he could decapitate etc him. Yet you completely ignore Cap's shield. Lizard's claws mean jack against the shield. Do you understand this?

2.No he can't KO him with the tail again because Cap has his shield. Also even if he hits Cap full on with the tail and manages to get around the shield.........Cap has taken worse punishment and would not go down easily. That is with the tail, just so you understand. wow..........i guess you don't realize that cap's durability and cap's shield's durability are two different things entirely

who said anything about his shield?......duh it could withstand his claws/tail.....it's stronger than freakin adamantium

lizard can one shot cap with his tail cause he has oneshotted those more durable, period.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
HF is constantly flowing through his body, that's why. And what extreme feats he has, except for taking a dozen or so bullets? do you have lizard confused with wolverine?


who said his HF was constantly on......he has no adamantium skeleton ya know.

he has one feat where he pretty much gets ripped apart and tossed of a large building.......he immediately gets up and keeps on movin

there's more.......haven't been to the thread in a while so that's just off the top of my head

Originally posted by namorsubby
do you have lizard confused with wolverine?


who said his HF was constantly on......he has no adamantium skeleton ya know.

HE'S A FREAKIN' LIZARD, that's why his HF is constantly on... geez...

And what adamantium skeleton has to do about this? It doesn't trigger mutant HF, look at bone claw Logan.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
HE'S A FREAKIN' LIZARD, that's why his HF is constantly on... geez...

And what adamantium skeleton has to do about this? It doesn't trigger mutant HF, look at bone claw Logan. lol....that means nothing at all. curt has far more extensive healing than a lizard. a lizard loses a limb.....then regrows it.......how does that imply there healing is constant in anyway? besides, curt does way more than limbs.


logan's body is always healing because of his adamantium skeleton

Originally posted by namorsubby
wow..........i guess you don't realize that cap's durability and cap's shield's durability are two different things entirely

who said anything about his shield?......duh it could withstand his claws/tail.....it's stronger than freakin adamantium

lizard can one shot cap with his tail cause he has oneshotted those more durable, period.

1. Hope you are joking.

2.Yes his shield. The sole reason why I think Cap survives and even wins here. It totally negates Lizard's attacks and can utterly hurt him.

3.No. Cap's durability showings say otherwise. Many against stronger foes than the Lizard. By the way which foes has Lizard oneshotted?

Originally posted by Warrior18
1. Hope you are joking.

2.Yes his shield. The sole reason why I think Cap survives and even wins here. It totally negates Lizard's attacks and can utterly hurt him.

3.No. Cap's durability showings say otherwise. Many against stronger foes than the Lizard. By the way which foes has Lizard oneshotted?

1. what is that even supposed to mean??? cap's body's durabiltiy and his shield are 2 different matters, period. i wasn't speaking of cap's shield.....i was speaking of his own durability.

2.the shield is only as fast as the weilder.......he won't effectively block, attack or evade against someone so much faster/durable.......and if he does hurt lizard......then the healing factor comes into play.

3.lizard pretty much has one consistent foe,spidey. who he has one shotted......who is more durable than cap. get it?

again, curt can one shot cap because he has oneshotted those more durable(aka spidey), period.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol....that means nothing at all. curt has far more extensive healing than a lizard. a lizard loses a limb.....then regrows it.......how does that imply there healing is constant in anyway? besides, curt does way more than limbs.



That's how biology works. He doesn't scream "BY TEH POWAH OF AZGARD!!!" in order to activate regenerative factor. Common sense.



*sigh* So you did or did not make it through Wolverine's thread? Yes, his HF is always trying to push adamantium out of him and curing him from metal poisoning... but this metal doesn't trigger the HF. It's constantly on.

fine, you win, really.............but we're a bit off-topic.



lizard wins because he outclasses cap....to put it simply

Originally posted by namorsubby
1. what is that even supposed to mean??? cap's body's durabiltiy and his shield are 2 different matters, period. i wasn't speaking of cap's shield.....i was speaking of his own durability.

2.the shield is only as fast as the weilder.......he won't effectively block, attack or evade against someone so much faster/durable.......and if he does hurt lizard......then the healing factor comes into play.

3.lizard pretty much has one consistent foe,spidey. who he has one shotted......who is more durable than cap. get it?

again, curt can one shot cap because he has oneshotted those more durable(aka spidey), period.

1.I meant I hoped you were joking about me thinking Cap was as durable as his shield.

2.Lizard is not speed blitzing Cap. He is faster but he is not speed blitzing him. Cap has enough speed,reflexes and fighting ability to compete IMO.

3.Lol. You underestimte Cap's durability. Far,far,far stronger foes then Lizard have regularly failed to deck Cap with blunt force. Couple this with his other durability showings and his armour.

Honestly I now don't even think Spidey is that durable.One shotting him is not impressive. Hell he was hurt by Cap's punches.

Originally posted by Warrior18
1.I meant I hoped you were joking about me thinking Cap was as durable as his shield.

2.Lizard is not speed blitzing Cap. He is faster but he is not speed blitzing him. Cap has enough speed,reflexes and fighting ability to compete IMO.

3.Lol. You underestimte Cap's durability. Far,far,far stronger foes then Lizard have regularly failed to deck Cap with blunt force. Couple this with his other durability showings and his armour.

Honestly I now don't even think Spidey is that durable.One shotting him is not impressive. Hell he was hurt by Cap's punches.
1.fine,whatever

2.who said anything about a speed blitz.......he would simply outmanuver him pretty much ever step of the way.

3.do you not get that when you oneshot someone more durable than another, that you can also one shot the other?

4.lol.......probabaly one of the lowest showings spidey has, definitely not the norm.bottom line he's withstood more than cap and regular withstands more than cap.......and that makes him more durable.

Originally posted by namorsubby
fine, you win, really.............but we're a bit off-topic.



lizard wins because he outclasses cap....to put it simply

Right, we don't want Logan in this thread Seems to me that he has to make at least a few guest appearances a day even in forum threads not concerning him


So, back to the topic...

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8869/invaders082005page07ja4ep0.th.jpg http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7162/invaders082005page08hc6hl1.th.jpg
Credit for the scans goes to Phantom Zone.


^U.S.Agent is Class 10. Has a superhuman durability as well. Rogers deals with him quickly via pressure points... it may not work on The Lizard, but it shows how Steve is able to effortlessly block a superhuman punch coming from behind...

Originally posted by namorsubby
1.fine,whatever

2.who said anything about a speed blitz.......he would simply outmanuver him pretty much ever step of the way.

3.do you not get that when you oneshot someone more durable than another, that you can also one shot the other?

4.lol.......probabaly one of the lowest showings spidey has, definitely not the norm.bottom line he's withstood more than cap and regular withstands more than cap.......and that makes him more durable.

Fair enough. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The fact that blood lusted Iron Man, Beast,Namor, part of a skyscraper,superhuman Redskull using several apartment walls then eventually the whole apartment,Spiderman and many many more things have failed to KO Cap quickly, tells me Lizard won't be koing cap quickly with blunt force.

Spiderman has regularly been shown to get hurt by skilled street levelers.

Anyway I've said my peice.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8869/invaders082005page07ja4ep0.th.jpg http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7162/invaders082005page08hc6hl1.th.jpg
Credit for the scans goes to Phantom Zone.


^U.S.Agent is Class 10. Has a superhuman durability as well. Rogers deals with him quickly via pressure points... it may not work on The Lizard, but it shows how Steve is able to effortlessly block a superhuman punch coming from behind...

Which issue is that from?

I'd like to know. It's canon for sure. Like I said, credit goes to Phantom Zone... I've found it in Cap's thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=390466&pagenumber=14

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'd like to know. It's canon for sure. Like I said, credit goes to Phantom Zone... I've found it in Cap's thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=390466&pagenumber=14




Thought it was some new issue I had missed lol.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Fair enough. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The fact that blood lusted Iron Man, Beast,Namor, part of a skyscraper,superhuman Redskull using several apartment walls then eventually the whole apartment,Spiderman and many many more things have failed to KO Cap quickly, tells me Lizard won't be koing cap quickly with blunt force.

Spiderman has regularly been shown to get hurt by skilled street levelers.

Anyway I've said my peice. i just don't see how cap is gonna defeat a villlian that spidey has never beaten/can't beat in a straight up fight without a plot device/ helpful circumstance.

does cap really have that much over spidey? can he really achieve what spiderman can't physically?

you gotta be kiddin.......spidey is not regularly hurt by street levelers. take cap's last fight with him for example. no one ever takes the time to realize that despite all those hard hits cap got in......he never manages to hurt spidey enough to make him go down or keep him from continuing virtually undetered. cap was going all out and taking advantage of peter's guilt/hesitation and still didn't really beat spidey at all. if it was a fight to KO......would cap really have come out victorious?

this is cap vs spidey - guilt - hesistation + power/durability/healing factor, savagry etc

Originally posted by namorsubby

does cap really have that much over spidey? can he really achieve what spiderman can't physically?

you gotta be kiddin.......spidey is not regularly hurt by street levelers. take cap's last fight with him for example. no one ever takes the time to realize that despite all those hard hits cap got in......he never manages to hurt spidey enough to make him go down or keep him from continuing virtually undetered. cap was going all out and taking advantage of peter's guilt/hesitation and still didn't really beat spidey at all. if it was a fight to KO......would cap really have come out victorious?



1. Well we can't doubt Cap's durability feats. His speed feats aren't far behind either. Nothing was said about Cap beingphysically superior.

2.DD has hurt him numerous times in the past. Taskmaster has. Cap did when they fought. Come on the fact that Spidey said URRK or HURRK whenever Cap punched him tells you he was hurt. Not knocked out, but hurt.

And no in a barehanded fight I think Spiderman would beat cap. In a barehanded fight I think the Lizard would beat Cap. Yet this isn't barehanded is it? Cap has his shield.

Originally posted by Warrior18
1. Well we can't doubt Cap's durability feats. His speed feats aren't far behind either. Nothing was said about Cap beingphysically superior.

2.DD has hurt him numerous times in the past. Taskmaster has. Cap did when they fought. Come on the fact that Spidey said URRK or HURRK whenever Cap punched him tells you he was hurt. Not knocked out, but hurt.

And no in a barehanded fight I think Spiderman would beat cap. In a barehanded fight I think the Lizard would beat Cap. Yet this isn't barehanded is it? Cap has his shield.

Realistically, Cap shouldn't win this without massive PIS.

The lizard is as fast or faster than spiderman is, without spidey's tendency to hold back or not kill. Spiderman has shown on NUMEROUS occasions that he's fast enough to dodge cap's shield and DD's truncheons. Even if cap has his shield, throwing it like a projectile with the intention of KO'ing the lizard is highly unlikely to work. he'll simply dodge it or swat it out of the air.

So you're left with Steve trying to use it to block the lizard's strikes. Ok, we've seen the shield take hits from people as strong as gladiator and absorb the damage.

problem here: so has the lizard. it's common freaking knowledge how strong the shield is, and the lizard has genius level intellect. The shield also does NOT cover all of roger's body. if he's standing, his legs are vulnerable. if he's crouching, his back is exposed and he can't maneuver or attack well that way- at least not fast enough to counter someone with lizard's speed.

Lizard is going to go for the exposed areas the shield doesn't cover. And don't forget Lizard has five appendages to attack with- he can (and has) easily struck with hands and feet while using the tail to KO from below or to the sides. If Lizard goes to grapple Cap, tying up his arms, he can easily go for the legs with the tail at the SAME TIME to take cap off his feet and immobilize him.

Lizard's durability and HF are also so high that standard strikes from steve are unlikely to phase him. Steve gets a couple good shots in, Lizard is going to keep coming at him. Lizard gets a couple good shots in, that's lights out for steve- or at the very least, steve is going to be dizzy and disoriented.

Lizard has every advantage in this fight. higher OVERALL durability, higher speed, healing factor, and what essentially amounts to a REALLY LONG extra arm. Toss in the fact that lizard isn't human and has rock hard skin, and pressure points are highly unlikely to work as well. (lizard and human nervous systems aren't equivalent at all, and connors is some kind of hybrid.)

Lizard takes this 9/10

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Realistically, Cap shouldn't win this without massive PIS.

The lizard is as fast or faster than spiderman is, without spidey's tendency to hold back or not kill. Spiderman has shown on NUMEROUS occasions that he's fast enough to dodge cap's shield and DD's truncheons. Even if cap has his shield, throwing it like a projectile with the intention of KO'ing the lizard is highly unlikely to work. he'll simply dodge it or swat it out of the air.

So you're left with Steve trying to use it to block the lizard's strikes. Ok, we've seen the shield take hits from people as strong as gladiator and absorb the damage.

problem here: so has the lizard. it's common freaking knowledge how strong the shield is, and the lizard has genius level intellect. The shield also does NOT cover all of roger's body. if he's standing, his legs are vulnerable. if he's crouching, his back is exposed and he can't maneuver or attack well that way- at least not fast enough to counter someone with lizard's speed.

Lizard is going to go for the exposed areas the shield doesn't cover. And don't forget Lizard has five appendages to attack with- he can (and has) easily struck with hands and feet while using the tail to KO from below or to the sides. If Lizard goes to grapple Cap, tying up his arms, he can easily go for the legs with the tail at the SAME TIME to take cap off his feet and immobilize him.

Lizard's durability and HF are also so high that standard strikes from steve are unlikely to phase him. Steve gets a couple good shots in, Lizard is going to keep coming at him. Lizard gets a couple good shots in, that's lights out for steve- or at the very least, steve is going to be dizzy and disoriented.

Lizard has every advantage in this fight. higher OVERALL durability, higher speed, healing factor, and what essentially amounts to a REALLY LONG extra arm. Toss in the fact that lizard isn't human and has rock hard skin, and pressure points are highly unlikely to work as well. (lizard and human nervous systems aren't equivalent at all, and connors is some kind of hybrid.)

Lizard takes this 9/10

Good post.
I was actually about to say I have massively changed my opinion on this fight after reviewing the Lizard respect thread. I had severely underated his healing factor.

I'm going to go for Lizard 8/10 here. The 2 for Cap being because....well he is Cap!
I like your argument because you didn't say what many think, which is that the Lizard can one shot Cap with blunt force. Also I like the fact that you didn't lowball or flat out deny Cap's durability feats.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Which issue is that from?

Its a invaders issue IIRC.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Its a invaders issue IIRC.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Good post.
I was actually about to say I have massively changed my opinion on this fight after reviewing the Lizard respect thread. I had severely underated his healing factor.

I'm going to go for Lizard 8/10 here. The 2 for Cap being because....well he is Cap!
I like your argument because you didn't say what many think, which is that the Lizard can one shot Cap with blunt force. Also I like the fact that you didn't lowball or flat out deny Cap's durability feats.

His HF does not prevent him from gettin KO'd.

He did however ignored Cap's speed feats http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/uhuh.gif

You hear me, 'subby?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
His HF does not prevent him from gettin KO'd.

He did however ignored Cap's speed feats http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/uhuh.gif

You hear me, 'subby?

Sorry buddy. You're on your own now.

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/capameridur.gif

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'd like to know. It's canon for sure. Like I said, credit goes to Phantom Zone... I've found it in Cap's thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=390466&pagenumber=14

Thanks but credit goes to Daredevil1. Anyway I think im giving it to the Lizard hes too much of a beast.

I stand corrected.

Too much of a beast? C'mon, Cap has fought many savage opponents.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I stand corrected.

Too much of a beast? C'mon, Cap has fought many savage opponents.

Not Beats who were stronger than Spiderman and possibly faster...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Not Beats who were stronger than Spiderman and possibly faster...

Stronger yes, faster....eh....Not too sure on that one. Of course Im not the lizard expert.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Stronger yes, faster....eh....Not too sure on that one. Of course Im not the lizard expert.

Exactly. He has fought stronger opponents but opponents that are at least as fast as Spiderman is another matter.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Not Beats who were stronger than Spiderman and possibly faster...

Potentially faster.
Cap stunned Griffin, for God's sake. That shield of his is a really dangerous weapon.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Potentially faster.
Cap stunned Griffin, for God's sake. That shield of his is a really dangerous weapon.

Who is Griffin and what are his stats?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Who is Griffin and what are his stats?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin_(Marvel_Comics)

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/John_Horton_(Earth-616)

Trust me, that guy is no pushover. I think he is at least as fast as The Lizard...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin_(Marvel_Comics)

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/John_Horton_(Earth-616)

Trust me, that guy is no pushover. I think he is at least as fast as The Lizard...


Cap threw his shield at him?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Cap threw his shield at him?

Yeah. It didn't KO him, but it did stun him for sufficient time. Then Hank Pym came and shoot a force blast.

Oh him, is here anywhere near as fast as Spiderman, I dont think so.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh him, is here anywhere near as fast as Spiderman, I dont think so.

Originally posted by guy222
Griffin vs Avengers

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/983772_MA_Avengers_30_002.jpg http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/983773_MA_Avengers_30_003.jpg http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/983774_MA_Avengers_30_004.jpg http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/983775_MA_Avengers_30_005.jpg http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/983776_MA_Avengers_30_011.jpg http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/983777_MA_Avengers_30_012.jpg

Originally posted by guy222
http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/983778_MA_Avengers_30_017.jpg http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/983779_MA_Avengers_30_018.jpg http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/983780_MA_Avengers_30_019.jpg http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/983781_MA_Avengers_30_020.jpg http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/983782_MA_Avengers_30_021.jpg

It's from Marvel Adventures... I know it's non-canon, but it pretty much shows what Griffin is capable of.

The feat I was talking about is from 616, gimme a moment and I'll bring the scan...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
know it's non-canon

ermm

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The feat I was talking about is from 616, gimme a moment and I'll bring the scan...


Ok you better find that canon one.

Venom - Deathtrap: The Vault

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4831/vtvdt15fo6.th.jpg

Notice that he was so dazed that he couldn't stay in the air.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Venom - Deathtrap: The Vault

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4831/vtvdt15fo6.th.jpg

Notice that he was so dazed that he couldn't stay in the air.

Is Griffin as fast as Spiderman?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Is Griffin as fast as Spiderman?

Probably yes. It's hard to say though 'cause Peter has this spider-sense and super agility, not to mention he's just extremely lucky.

Is Lizard as fast as Spiderman? Theoretically he's faster and just as agile. His animal senses don't suck either. But then again, how does Peter manage to avoid most of these claw attacks, tail attacks and bites? If Lizard were truly significantly faster, he wouldn't have so much problems with hurting Spidey.

I think the major deciding point here is that Lizard isn't a good fighter. He doesn't have nearly any combat training nor does he rely on his smarts, he's pretty much just an animal clawing away (like Wolverine :shifty He wouldn't know about the multiple ways Cap could hit him, nor would he able to counter Cap's melee barrage.

At least Spider-man has developed his own fighting style focused around his superhuman agility. Cap takes it.

Exactly. Insane fighting skills and indestructible shield are the main reasons how Cap wins in the fights against metahumans.

Originally posted by Rhinoceros
I think the major deciding point here is that Lizard isn't a good fighter. He doesn't have nearly any combat training nor does he rely on his smarts, he's pretty much just an animal clawing away (like Wolverine :shifty He wouldn't know about the multiple ways Cap could hit him, nor would he able to counter Cap's melee barrage.

At least Spider-man has developed his own fighting style focused around his superhuman agility. Cap takes it. wrong.....lizard is no longer savage......he's extremely intelligent......he's not a savage animal biting and clawing.........i'd still say lizard either way though, honestly.


cap just isn't getting past his durability, and healing factor. he's at least just as fast as spidey and stronger.....and not held back by guilt or not wanting to really hurt anybody........i don't see how cap can win.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Probably yes. It's hard to say though 'cause Peter has this spider-sense and super agility, not to mention he's just extremely lucky.

Is Lizard as fast as Spiderman? Theoretically he's faster and just as agile. His animal senses don't suck either. But then again, how does Peter manage to avoid most of these claw attacks, tail attacks and bites? If Lizard were truly significantly faster, he wouldn't have so much problems with hurting Spidey. peter evades most of his attacks???.......he has problems hurting spidey????

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
His HF does not prevent him from gettin KO'd.

He did however ignored Cap's speed feats http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/uhuh.gif

You hear me, 'subby? his reptilian skin protects him from a KO.......just as it protects him from explosions, johnny's flames, spidey's all out punches, bullets, energy attacks, etc

Originally posted by namorsubby
his reptilian skin protects him from a KO.......just as it protects him from explosions, johnny's flames, spidey's all out punches, bullets, energy attacks, etc

It ain't gonna protect him from attacks with indestructible shield though

Originally posted by namorsubby
peter evades most of his attacks???.......he has problems hurting spidey????

Yeah, Peter evades majority of his attacks. If he didn't, he'd be dead. Common sense.

Originally posted by namorsubby
wrong.....lizard is no longer savage......he's extremely intelligent......he's not a savage animal biting and clawing.........i'd still say lizard either way though, honestly.


cap just isn't getting past his durability, and healing factor. he's at least just as fast as spidey and stronger.....and not held back by guilt or not wanting to really hurt anybody........i don't see how cap can win.

Extremely intelligent yes, but he lacks the tactical intelligence.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It ain't gonna protect him from attacks with indestructible shield though



Yeah, Peter evades majority of his attacks. If he didn't, he'd be dead. Common sense.



Extremely intelligent yes, but he lacks the tactical intelligence.

1.have to have enough strength behind that shield to make a difference

2.peter evades the majority of his attacks?

.........there is a thread ya know.....might wanna take a look and see just how effective peter is in evading him.lol

3. doesn't matter........he has so much of a physical advantage in all categories

edit:

btw, if peter evaded him most of the time.......then why would anyone say he has spidey level speed/agility?

Originally posted by namorsubby
1.have to have enough strength behind that shield to make a difference

2.peter evades the majority of his attacks?

.........there is a thread ya know.....might wanna take a look and see just how effective peter is in evading him.lol

3. doesn't matter........he has so much of a physical advantage in all categories

edit:

btw, if peter evaded him most of the time.......then why would anyone say he has spidey level speed/agility?

1. Oh, he is strong enough, believe me.

2. Been in your thread. Seen stuff. And you know what? Pete always wins somehow. Lizard never crippled him. Also, I have to notice that there were a few of cheap shots and distractions (working in Lizard's favor)... tsk-tsk. Not to mention that Parker tends to hold back because he cares for Connors. And they had more fights, didn't they?

3. Doesn't matter? It doesn't matter that Cap's been adept in every fighting style known to man? I beg to differ.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1. Oh, he is strong enough, believe me.

2. Been in your thread. Seen stuff. And you know what? Pete always wins somehow. Lizard never crippled him. Also, I have to notice that there were a few of cheap shots and distractions (working in Lizard's favor)... tsk-tsk. Not to mention that Parker tends to hold back because he cares for Connors. And they had more fights, didn't they?

3. Doesn't matter? It doesn't matter that Cap's been adept in every fighting style known to man? I beg to differ.

1.in regular showings, he certainly isn't.

2. peter has never beaten the lizard straight up without a plot device/circumstances.....except in marvel adventures which is non-canon. lizard has messed up his arm pretty bad actually. and if you're really trying to say lizard only manages to own him due to cheap shots/distractions.......well, you're just plain incorrect.

4.you can beg to differ if you want to.......but his skills simply don't compensate for his major disadvantages.


edit:

BTW, "peters always wins somehow"?..........., maybe you didn't look as hard as you thought you did. he's been owned several times and they have stalemates as well.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Probably yes. It's hard to say though 'cause Peter has this spider-sense and super agility, not to mention he's just extremely lucky.


So you got no proof?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Is Lizard as fast as Spiderman? Theoretically he's faster and just as agile. His animal senses don't suck either. But then again, how does Peter manage to avoid most of these claw attacks, tail attacks and bites? If Lizard were truly significantly faster, he wouldn't have so much problems with hurting Spidey.

From the looks of the respect thread Spiderman doesnt avoid most of those attacks.




Originally posted by Rhinoceros
I think the major deciding point here is that Lizard isn't a good fighter. He doesn't have nearly any combat training nor does he rely on his smarts, he's pretty much just an animal clawing away (like Wolverine :shifty He wouldn't know about the multiple ways Cap could hit him, nor would he able to counter Cap's melee barrage.

At least Spider-man has developed his own fighting style focused around his superhuman agility. Cap takes it.

Superhuman speed compensates for lack of skill and LIzard is arguably faster.

Resurrection!

Originally posted by jalek moye
i'e never seen a meta human in any comic in the last decade hurt his hand on the shield.

OK... this one ain't canon, but still...

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4264/exilessabretoothvcap256.th.jpg
Credit goes to jin.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Superhuman speed compensates for lack of skill and LIzard is arguably faster. He is faster.

Meh. In the combat it won't make the difference, Cap is always a few steps ahead of his untrained opponents...

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7581/civilwarchronicles00517di6.th.jpg

All there is to say is that Lizard gets NO where NEAR enough respect.
Lizard at the least 7.5/10.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Meh. In the combat it won't make the difference, Cap is always a few steps ahead of his untrained opponents...

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7581/civilwarchronicles00517di6.th.jpg Not really a good example, Cap has intimate knowledge of Pete's movements and fighting style.

Also, one hit from Lizard > one hit from Pete

Originally posted by Mindset
Not really a good example, Cap has intimate knowledge of Pete's movements and fighting style.

Also, one hit from Lizard > one hit from Pete

Lizzy's all about power. Cap KO'd the friggin' Wrecker.

Mighty Shield Bash > Batkick

Cap wrecks him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Mighty Shield Bash > Batkick Very thin ice...uhuh

Cap wins. The fight would probably go down a lot like this one...

http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/CaptainAmerica272p14.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/CaptainAmerica272p15.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/CaptainAmerica272p19.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/CaptainAmerica272p20.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/CaptainAmerica272p21.jpg

He might win, but Vermin sucks.

Holds up rubble from a fkin skyscaper
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/2336/capbuilding2tn0.jpg
http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbuilding3ln1.jpg

Koed Thunder Ball he took shoots from Thor, I believe.
http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capthunder2ck4.jpg
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1450/capthunder3kb2.jpg

Not sure why you showed that.

Lizard is stronger than Cap, and Lizard has better durability.

If Cap wins it's gonna be because of his skill.

Originally posted by Dagarkin
Holds up rubble from a fkin skyscaper
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/2336/capbuilding2tn0.jpg
http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capbuilding3ln1.jpg

Koed Thunder Ball he took shoots from Thor, I believe.
http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capthunder2ck4.jpg
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1450/capthunder3kb2.jpg



Actually he hurt Thunderball and put him down briefly but he wasn't KO'ed. Still impressive since Thunderball has taken some heavy shots.

Also Cap's energy shield absorbed most of the sky scrapper not all of it but the majority of it. Impressive but vague as too how much Cap actually held up.

Him knocking Rhino with a jump kick?
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3231/capownsrhinota4.jpg


Rhino is what Class 20?

Captain America Stalemated the Iron Fist. If that aint skill I don't know what is.

Def impressive. But Cap made Rhino use a lot of oxygen. If Cap can hurt Thunderball with a punch then he can definitely hurt Lizard with his shield for sure. Lizard is a tough match up because of his strength,speed, agility combo.

Its a close match up his shield is the deciding factor. Cap 6/10

Cap

Originally posted by Dagarkin
Its a close match up his shield is the deciding factor. Cap 6/10

That and the skill/experience behind the shield. Cap always said its not the weapon that makes the person but the person that makes the weapon as he explained this lots of times to Hawkeye.

Cap's shield skills border looney tunes levels.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4918/avengers19406.jpg

This guys speed/agility made it hard for human torch to get him.
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7098/captainamericasentinelo.jpg
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7098/captainamericasentinelo.jpg

Or heat seeking shield.
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8561/captainamericavol32319.th.jpghttp://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7312/captainamericavol32321.th.jpghttp://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4026/captainamericavol32322.th.jpg

These are not even some of his crazier stuff.

^ WOW dude wtf thats awesome.