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The Monitor where the DCU Multiverse resides in.

Abraxas.

Primal Monitor seems like super-sized Eternity. Which is just more shit for Abraxas to destroy. That's his function, afterall.

I will go with Abraxas, Monitar is not on his level

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I will go with Abraxas, Monitar is not on his level Yes, because all of the PM's showings show that he's not his level...

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Yes, because all of the PM's showings show that he's not his level...


....Yes, I just said that

Originally posted by xJLxKing
....Yes, I just said that So, how do you know he's no on his level?

We don't know how to take him down, and we don't know what he's capable of.

Rather erroneous don't you think?

Originally posted by Red Hulk
So, how do you know he's no on his level?

We don't know how to take him down, and we don't know what he's capable of.

Rather erroneous don't you think?
Which is why it's an opinion. There is no way to say who can win even if its Superman vs Joker because it ain't up to you, or me. There are deciding other factors. Does the PM start to collapse a universe just by entering it?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Which is why it's an opinion. There is no way to say who can win even if its Superman vs Joker because it ain't up to you, or me. There are deciding other factors. Does the PM start to collapse a universe just by entering it? It's up to showings. We know that Superman would beat Joker. However, there's nothing to show that PM wins or loses here.

How can he even enter a universe?

Also, what does that have to do with anything? He might have broke down barriers, but the F4 were able to stand by him without being 'broken down'.

Abraxas doesn't collapse universes by approaching them

Way to misinterpret what was said in a book.

Wasn't it said that the multiverse is like...microscopic to the primal monitor?I mean...his implied power is def above abraxas imo.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Wasn't it said that the multiverse is like...microscopic to the primal monitor?I mean...his implied power is def above abraxas imo. and he's from dc so.. you know, he has your vote.

Your right abraxas is above a guy who is quadrillions of times bigger then the multiverse,clearly my dc bias talking and it couldn't be just common sense.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
clearly my dc bias talking and it couldn't be just common sense. glad we're on the same page.

Glad your being a dc hater again.

What are his feats?

Besides him spawning the monitors and the multiverse being microscopic to him I don't think he much has any feats,the second issue of superman beyond should shed some light on it.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What are his feats?

Apparently he is really really big.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Besides him spawning the monitors and the multiverse being microscopic to him I don't think he much has any feats,the second issue of superman beyond should shed some light on it.

So, like the Promethean Giants v. Celestials thread, you think because he's bigger, he's more powerful?

Promethean giants in their true form are gods to multiversal gods so yes the average celestial would lose,hes not just ''bigger''the entire multiverse is like smaller then a ant to him,his implied power is without limits.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Your right abraxas is above a guy who is quadrillions of times bigger then the multiverse,clearly my dc bias talking and it couldn't be just common sense. But you admit you have dc bias?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What are his feats?

Haven't read the issue in a while, but didn't the Primal Monitor create the Anti-Monitor, which is like really powerful?

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Promethean giants in their true form are gods to multiversal gods so yes the average celestial would lose,hes not just ''bigger''the entire multiverse is like smaller then a ant to him,his implied power is without limits.

Yeah, Captain Marvel and Superman couldn't comprehend his power. Let me go get the book again and I'll post some quotes...











Captain Marvel:

Superman:

Primal Monitor > an Omniverse = Thanos w/THOTU (if you think he destroyed and recreated everything, which he didn't) > everything else in Marvel.

Someone should be pulling out their facepalm collage for that one.

I just trying to figure out how everyone on this thread says the PM has no feats and can offer no evidence to his power and this guy comes out with PM = an Omniverse.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I just trying to figure out how everyone on this thread says the PM has no feats and can offer no evidence to his power and this guy comes out with PM = an Omniverse. Ya, that guy is a loser.

That guy should have his head checked. Fruitcup.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Prove all of this.

I think he may be joking, but on the defense, the PM is infinite and constantly growing. Meh, it's Morrison, so it all doesn't make sense to me. But he did create the Anti-Monitir and we all know how powerful he was. And the Anti-Monitor is a fraction of it's power.

I very much doubt he was joking.

I def wouldn't say the PM is equal to the heart,but he must be immensly powerful considering the multiverse is a spec to him..

Originally posted by cloud102
I think he may be joking, but on the defense, the PM is infinite and constantly growing. Meh, it's Morrison, so it all doesn't make sense to me. But he did create the Anti-Monitir and we all know how powerful he was. And the Anti-Monitor is a fraction of it's power. The Anti-Monitor he created was equal to a Monitor, and almost got killed Supergirl...

What omniverse is the PM suppose to represent? Last I heard, the DCU was barely a megaverse.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
The Anti-Monitor he created was equal to a Monitor, and almost got killed Supergirl...

Yes, but everything, the multiverse is him. He created the Monitors. I don't know where the Presence fits into this. Maybe the Presence created the Monitor???

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What omniverse is the PM suppose to represent? Last I heard, the DCU was barely a megaverse.

Rip Hunter said it will be a Megaverse. In The Next someone claimed the DCU as a Omniverse.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Abraxas doesn't collapse universes by approaching them

Way to misinterpret what was said in a book.


"misinterpret what was said in the book?" ... huh?

In Abraxas' bio it clearly states he blurs Universal barriers with his approaching presence.

On Panel it was clearly stated that when the Multiverse begins to fold,
"THIS is what brings Abraxas"

In Abraxas secondary bio it clearly states he destroyed entire Realities (UniverseS)

On Panel it also artistically shows us 9 UniverseS Abraxas would destroy
not to mention all the UniverseS that collapsed where all those Galactuses were killed.

Not to mention how 616 was breaking down as well due to Abraxas' presence.

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1021888_AB1.jpg
http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1021889_AB2.jpg

That's 616 in the process of a collapse,
Abraxas doesn't need to literally attack a Universe,
he casually passes by, and said entire Universe falls apart.

So again ... hum

When they say Universal Barrier thats what they mean. Thats why when he does collapse the Universal Barrier you start to see two of many characters which are from other universal that were seperated.

I wonder if Abraxas can even harm a being that encompasses everything. It looks like Morrison will re-writing everything about DCU God.

Originally posted by xJLxKing

When they say Universal Barrier thats what they mean.
Thats why when he does collapse the Universal Barrier
you start to see two of many characters
which are from other universal that were seperated.
If you're saying Abraxas collapses UniverseS by approaching them?

I agree.

If you're implying anything other?

I disagree, due to On Panel, and Handbook definitive proof.

Originally posted by Mr Master


"misinterpret what was said in the book?" ... huh?

In Abraxas' bio it clearly states he blurs Universal barriers with his approaching presence.

On Panel it was clearly stated that when the Multiverse begins to fold,
"THIS is what brings Abraxas"

In Abraxas secondary bio it clearly states he destroyed entire Realities (UniverseS)

On Panel it also artistically shows us 9 UniverseS Abraxas would destroy
not to mention all the UniverseS that collapsed where all those Galactuses were killed.

Not to mention how 616 was breaking down as well due to Abraxas' presence.

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1021888_AB1.jpg
http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1021889_AB2.jpg

That's 616 in the process of a collapse,
Abraxas doesn't need to literally attack a Universe,
he casually passes by, and said entire Universe falls apart.

So again ... hum

Again, how do you to destroying universes from blurring dimensional barriers?

Also, would everyone be dead being that close to him if he can destroy whole realities from a distance?

I am unconvinced.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Again,
how do you to destroying universes from blurring dimensional barriers?
Dude, when Universes fold into each other they fall apart.

This is why in the scan above in my post you see the surroundings crumbling.

Here are Nine Universes that would later be destroyed by Abraxas,
due to their folding into each other:

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7061/35029126hu5.th.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7800/50184278yu8.th.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2927/69116273or2.th.jpg

"Imagine each of those Worlds like sand in an hourglass ...
an hourglass which Abraxas will shatter"

................................................................................................................


This is aside from these UniverseS Abraxas collapsed:


http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/8695/0unabraxaskillsallg3ps.th.jpg


Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Also, would everyone be dead being that close to him
if he can destroy whole realities from a distance?
Nah, he only destroys entire UniverseS in this way,
individuals he attacks directly,
of course, eventually they would become victims of the collapse.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

I am unconvinced.
I'm not here to convince anyone,
only to convey Marvel cosmic facts.

If you're unconvinced, you can email Marvel,
because his on panel depictions were confirmed by them:

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/1144/abqf3.th.jpg

"He can restructure matter and convert physical matter into pure energy ...
he has destroyed entire PLANES of Reality"

swank

I wasn't arguing Abraxas being able to destroy Universes. That's his position in the Universe, embodiment of destruction.

I'm arguing the whole "He destroys universes when he approaches them"

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

I wasn't arguing Abraxas being able to destroy Universes.
That's his position in the Universe, embodiment of destruction.

I'm arguing the whole "He destroys universes when he approaches them"
Well, it's a vain argument good friend,
since that's the only way he destroys UniverseS,
and that's the only way he destroyed UniverseS in the arc.

He approaches a Universe, said Universe folds into another one,
said both Universes fall apart because of this,
said both Universes are destroyed.

That's it.

Basically he's like the angel of death of the bible in a way (everything it passes by dies)
he strolls by the Multiverse,
collapsing every Universe he passes by.

The Monitor

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