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couldn't find this match so i thought i'd make it.

there are 2 circumstances:

1. pure h2h. no gadgets or armor. fights takes place in a dojo.

2. regular equipment. fight takes place on a rooftop.


who wins?

Batman
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x160/animedude2426/Batman%20and%20comic/8974_400x600.jpg
VS.
Wildcat
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/235894-99003-wildcat_super.jpg

IMO. batman for a slim majority h2h, 5.5 or 6/10. with equipment, bats takes a larger majority.

Batman 10/10 for both.

Wildcat makes Batman exert himself 10 times, and Wildcat loses 10 times.

lol

1.Bats. Anywhere from 7 to 10/10
2. Bats. In a horrific 10/10 stomp. Apart from his skin tight cat suit,does Ted even have any equipment?

Originally posted by batdude123
Batman 10/10 for both. Originally posted by Cavalier
Wildcat makes Batman exert himself 10 times, and Wildcat loses 10 times.

his suit is somewhat bullet proof and he has claws on his hands and sometimes his feet.the feet claws enable him to climb/stay on walls


BTW:

wildcat vs batman :

1 win wildcat(circumstancial), 2 stalemates, 1 inconclusive

he'd do slighty better than some give him credit for i'd say. he had bats wrapped in his own cape once.lol

Wildcat wins, after all he is the greatest human fighter in the world (well in DC universe) I mean the man trained batman. Wildcat whoops Batmans butt so bad, he will be wishing Bane had just broken his back again.

But if we are talking Christian Bale, than Batman wins

........he has been stated to be the world's greatest fighter.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
Wildcat wins, after all he is the greatest human fighter in the world (well in DC universe) I mean the man trained batman. Wildcat whoops Batmans butt so bad, he will be wishing Bane had just broken his back again.

But if we are talking Christian Bale, than Batman wins

i lean towards batman solely because he has other extremely impressive showings outside their fights and IMO more skill. according to their fights, this seems like a stalemate.according to wildcat's basically inhuman tenacity,strength, and durability, he takes it.


needless to say this is a hard decision for me.

Originally posted by namorsubby
i lean towards batman solely because he has other extremely impressive showings outside their fights and IMO more skill. according to their fights, this seems like a stalemate.according to wildcat's basically inhuman tenacity,strength, and durability, he takes it.


needless to say this is a hard decision for me.

I have never seen WC demonstrate strength anywhere near to that of Batman.

Originally posted by namorsubby
........he has been stated to be the world's greatest fighter.

he trained Batman and countless heroes what more do you need.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
he trained Batman and countless heroes what more do you need.

Originally posted by Warrior18
I have never seen WC demonstrate strength anywhere near that of Batman. he's knocked bats on his hiney and then let him get back up and waited for him to gain composure(he didn't really want to fight him). he has manhandled bats before. like i said, he was had him wrapped in his own cape locked in a bear hug

he also has been deadlocked in a contest of strength with someone who has superhuman strength(atom)........he's just that ridiculously strong

Originally posted by batdude123
Batman 10/10 for both. Nice.

Originally posted by namorsubby
he's knocked bats on his hiney and then let him get back up and waited for him to gain composure(he didn't really want to fight him). he has manhandled bats before. like i said, he was had him wrapped in his own cape locked in a bear hug

Huuuum. What about when he went all out and Bats held back..........calmly decking him with a punch to knock some sense into him?

Again has he ever demonstrated physical strength on a par with Bats? For example bending bars, breaking chains, up rooting thick large metal pipes from concrete floors, holding up rubble which most likely weighed close to 1000lbs, and recently in his own words benching '600lbs of loose soil' while dehydrated.

who's says he was going all out? and batman didn't deck him. he didn't even fall here was his response to that nasty hook:

"aww man, it is you. i didn't think it was really, i wouldn't have busted you up so...."

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/BatmanWildcat3pg07.jpg

Originally posted by Warrior18
Huuuum. What about when he went all out and Bats held back..........calmly decking him with a punch to knock some sense into him?

Again has he ever demonstrated physical strength on a par with Bats? For example bending bars, breaking chains, up rooting thick large metal pipes from concrete floors, holding up rubble which most likely weighed close to 1000lbs, and recently in his own words benching '600lbs of loose soil' while dehydrated. when you tie someone with super strength you've surpassed bats in that category

Originally posted by namorsubby
who's says he was going all out? and batman didn't deck him. he didn't even fall here was his response to that nasty hook:

"aww man, it is you. i didn't think it was really, i wouldn't have busted you up so...."

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/BatmanWildcat3pg07.jpg

Er......he was because he didn't know it was Bats he was fighting. Batman deduced he was fighting WC from simply observing his style. Yet WC didn't do the same.

Originally posted by namorsubby
when you tie someone with super strength you've surpassed bats in that category

So because you think Ted tied someone with superstrength, he is stronger than Bats.

Im done with you my little friend it be late where I am.

people don't just go all out for no reson. WC not's gonna go full guns if he thinks he's fighting some bum.

BTW, wc drew first blood before batman knew he was fighting him. and bats was going hard before he found out.

btw, wildcat has been stated as the world's best fighter on several occassions. and training batman has to count for something.he probably knows his style better than almost anyone

Originally posted by Warrior18
So because you think Ted tied someone with superstrength, he is stronger than Bats.

Im done with you my little friend it be late where I am. where did that come from???

and i dont think, i know:
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/JSAStrangeAdventures0115.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/JSAStrangeAdventures0116.jpg

so you'd say bats is stronger considering this fact?

honestly namorsubby has given enough evidence. This debate is over. It would be a good fight. But I say wildcat wins. Sorry Batman fanboys.

Originally posted by namorsubby
where did that come from???

and i dont think, i know:
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/JSAStrangeAdventures0115.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/JSAStrangeAdventures0116.jpg

so you'd say bats is stronger considering this fact?

1. I don't even know who the hell that is, or how strong he is.
2. They didn't seem to finish.Who's to say that guy didn't slam his arm on the table immediatley afterwards.

1.do some research:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_(Al_Pratt)

2.btw, it doesn't matter esactly how strong he is, as long s he's superhumanly strong

3.that's a bit of a sorry excuse i must say. you saw them deadlocked for as long as they were shown.......everything else is just speculation.

Originally posted by namorsubby
he had bats wrapped in his own cape once.lol With a surprise attack that ended up in his getting KO'ed I believe.

Anyway, if I'm not wrong, Ted only taught him how to box... that's one out of the 127 styles of MA that Batman knows.

As well as Al only being the size of Wildcat when he was arm wrestling him...

no wrong like. Its this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damage_(comics)

but they are related and he would still own Batman.

Also boxing is the stongest MA (lol)

Originally posted by namorsubby
1.do some research:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_(Al_Pratt)

2.btw, it doesn't matter esactly how strong he is, as long s he's superhumanly strong

3.that's a bit of a sorry excuse i must say. you saw them deadlocked for as long as they were shown.......everything else is just speculation.

1. Bit tough when all I have to go on is a picture and captions so small I can't read them.

2.Lol.Yes it does. He could for example be a 1 tonner(before you get a boner it's an example). Thus it would not be out of bounds for a non superhuman but still strong character to hold him for a short unspecified amount of time.

3.Lol. It was an unspecified amount of time and the match did not get finished. My earlier point still stands.

lol Doesn't even say how strong he is.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
With a surprise attack that ended up in his getting KO'ed I believe.

Anyway, if I'm not wrong, Ted only taught him how to box... that's one out of the 127 styles of MA that Batman knows.

As well as Al only being the size of Wildcat when he was arm wrestling him... he didn't KO him. it was an inconclusive battle from JSA/JLA: virtue and vice. they were simple showing bits and pieces of an extremely large superhero battle.

he said himself he's one of the only one who can still see that right hook coming in reference to batman though, so i think he knows his fighting style pretty well.

i don't know what that last statement is even supposed to mean.

point blank, atom is superhumanly strong and ted tied him in armwrestling.

Originally posted by Warrior18
1. Bit tough when all I have to go on is a picture and captions so small I can't read them.

2.Lol.Yes it does. He could for example be a 1 tonner(before you get a boner it's an example). Thus it would not be out of bounds for a non superhuman but still strong character to hold him for a short unspecified amount of time.

3.Lol. It was an unspecified amount of time and the match did not get finished. My earlier point still stands. you're grasping and speculating. this isn't a debate.

you pretty much just saying "well what if....."

what if batman somehow becomes a 100 tonner before they fight.....then he'd win for sure.

Originally posted by namorsubby
he didn't KO him. it was an inconclusive battle from JSA/JLA: virtue and vice. they were simple showing bits and pieces of an extremely large superhero battle.

he's said himself he's one of the only one who can still see that right hook coming in reference to batman though, so i think he knows his fighting style pretty well.

i don't know what that last statement is even supposed to mean.

point blank, atom is superhumanly strong and ted tied him in armwrestling. Is that why Wildcat stopped holding onto him, and was turned around and only seemed to be held up from being trapped in Batman's cape? Oh, and Batman had time to untie himself and watch Alan... Wildcat was just being nice.

A right hook is part of boxing... as well as that being a long time ago, as opposed to current Batman who knows 127 different styles, is able to take repeated blows from Superman, and is able to put beings like Hawkgirl in effortless holds.

Wrong Al.

How strong is the Atom?

Originally posted by namorsubby
you're grasping and speculating. this isn't a debate.

you pretty much just saying "well what if....."

what if batman somehow becomes a 100 tonner before they fight.....then he'd win for sure.

What the hell are you talking about kiddo?

All you have given is a pic of Ted armwrestling some guy with an unspecified amount of superstrength. Superstrength which is clearly piss poor low. A comic strong man like Ted would be able to at least stalemate such a man for a bit. As he did in that pic for a very short amount of time before the scene changes. Ted has no feats which put him at Batman's level of strength period.

Don't talk to me about what ifs. Your entire argument in every Wildcat thread I have ever 'debated' with you revolves around speculative feats and your own interpretation of them.

it was not Atom but Damage. As to how strong he is I don't know. I know he gets owned by Zoom. But his strength level is definitely Super Human.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Is that why Wildcat stopped holding onto him, and was turned around and only seemed to be held up from being trapped in Batman's cape? Oh, and Batman had time to untie himself... Wildcat was just being nice.

A right hook is part of boxing... as well as that being a long time ago, as opposed to current Batman who knows 127 different styles, is able to take repeated blows from Superman, and is able to put beings like Hawkgirl in effortless holds.

Wrong Al.

How strong is the Atom?

i have it.i've read it several times.

that scene was showing the very moment right after batman hit him and ted was being knocked back by the blow. he wasn't tangled in the cape. remember, he tangled batman.lol

i'm sure that's not what he meant. but either way WC has fought him so he knows his style.

what do you mean wrong al? that's al pratt, the superhumanly strong, original atom.

how strong. superhumanly i suppose



either way considering all their fights anyone who's saying bats 10/10 is way off base here.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
it was not Atom but Damage. As to how strong he is I don't know. I know he gets owned by Zoom. But his strength level is definitely Super Human.

So namorsubby gave us erroneus info did he?

Originally posted by Warrior18
What the hell are you talking about kiddo?

All you have given is a pic of Ted armwrestling some guy with an unspecified amount of superstrength. Superstrength which is clearly piss poor low. A comic strong man like Ted would be able to at least stalemate such a man for a bit. As he did in that pic for a very short amount of time before the scene changes. Ted has no feats which put him at Batman's level of strength period.

Don't talk to me about what ifs. Your entire argument in every Wildcat thread I have ever 'debated' with you revolves around speculative feats and your own interpretation of them. lol.maybe you need some time away from here or something? you'r starting to sound like battlehammer.

really, if we need to agree to disagree so you don't go all crazy that's fine

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol.maybe you need some time away from here or something? you'r starting to sound like battlhammer.

really, if we need to agree to disagree so you don't go all crazy that's fine



I'm not going crazy.
What I said is a rational observation of how you argue poorly for Ted.
With friends like you hey............

Originally posted by namorsubby
i have it.i've read it several times.

that scene was showing the very moment right after batman hit him and ted was being knocked back by the blow. he wasn't tangled in the cape. remember, he tangled batman.lol

i'm sure that's not what he meant. but either way WC has fought him so he knows his style.

what do you mean wrong al? that's al pratt, the superhumanly strong, original atom.

how strong. superhumanly i suppose



either way considering all their fights anyone who's saying bats 10/10 is way off base here. The very moment after he hit him? Batman unwrapped that cape around his head awfully fast then. Even using that, then Wildcat dropped after trying to cheap Batman, so... why would you bring that up?
He tangled his arm around the cape to get a better grip.

That Batman knows how to do other things than box (which is what Wildcat taught him). And then that means that Batman knows his style as well...

I was thinking of Atom-Smasher.

You don't know. So where's the feat if you haven't the foggiest of his strength?

Considering their fights? Those are pis. Batman fights Superman, Captain Marvel, Hawkman, and other people.
Sound familiar?

Originally posted by Warrior18
So namorsubby gave us erroneus info did he?

well technically he was wrong, but the point of him(Damage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damage_(comics) )being stronger than a normal human is still validhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damage_(comics)

Originally posted by Warrior18
So namorsubby gave us erroneus info did he? those are modern age comic scans. here's what damage looks like in the modern age:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Damage.jpg

here's his other costume:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/Damage_%28comics%29.jpg

this is al pratt:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/Atom_pratt.jpg


it's al pratt

If it's Al Pratt arm wrestling Ted then that harms your argument even more.At least Damage is listed as a 10-15 tonner.

it doesn't harm anything. he's still superhuman

Originally posted by namorsubby
it doesn't harm anything. he's still superhuman

lol. Read my posts.

Originally posted by namorsubby
those are modern age comic scans. here's what damage looks like in the modern age:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Damage.jpg

here's his other costume:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/Damage_%28comics%29.jpg

this is al pratt:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/Atom_pratt.jpg


it's al pratt

okay look I remember reading this issue and I am telling you it is Damage ( Grant Emerson) who is the son of the original Atom (Al Prat) did you check out the wikipedia page. This first two pictures you show are Damage. The last picture you show is the Atom, but that is not the one in the scan you provided arm wrestling wildcat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damage_(comics)

Originally posted by Red Hulk
The very moment after he hit him? Batman unwrapped that cape around his head awfully fast then. Even using that, then Wildcat dropped after trying to cheap Batman, so... why would you bring that up?
He tangled his arm around the cape to get a better grip.

That Batman knows how to do other things than box (which is what Wildcat taught him). And then that means that Batman knows his style as well...

I was thinking of Atom-Smasher.

You don't know. So where's the feat if you haven't the foggiest of his strength?

Considering their fights? Those are pis. Batman fights Superman, Captain Marvel, Hawkman, and other people.
Sound familiar? batman is not some 100 tonner with far superior stats wildcat is fighting here. he's a man and so is ted, they're pretty even in stats actually.if you're gonna call there fights PIS like bruce is so unconquerable, impossible feat for ted then there's certainly no reason to continue here.


anyways......

Originally posted by Warrior18
lol. Read my posts. i have. they're imaginative speculation and irrelevant.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
okay look I remember reading this issue and I am telling you it is Damage ( Grant Emerson) who is the son of the original Atom (Al Prat) did you check out the wikipedia page. This first two pictures you show are Damage. The last picture you show is the Atom, but that is not the one in the scan you provided arm wrestling wildcat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damage_(comics) jla strange adventures #3.same issue, same guy who wrestled ted

that doesn't look like al pratt fighting there?:
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Untitled-Scanned-14-1.jpg

al pratt;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/Atom_pratt.jpg

Originally posted by namorsubby
i have. they're imaginative speculation and irrelevant.

Poorly.
Anyway I don't really care buddy. I will let the other members judge who is being imaginative, speculative and irrelevant.

it won't be hard to judge.......for anyone with a brain that is.

i post scans, use actual argument, etc etc. you say "well what if...." or "this could be..."

Originally posted by namorsubby
batman is not some 100 tonner with far superior stats wildcat is fighting here. he's a man and so is ted, they're pretty even in stats actually.if you're gonna call there fights PIS like bruce is so unconquerable, impossible feat for ted then there's certainly no reason to continue here.


anyways...... I'm just repeating the same logic you use for Namor vs Wolverine, by using other fights rather than looking at the fights they've already had.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
I'm just repeating the same logic you use for Namor vs Wolverine, by using other fights rather than looking at the fights they've already had.

namor and wolverine's stats are far from being that similar. they're not comparable to batman and wildcat's. you should know that.

btw, batman has several fights with persons of wildcat caliber, the same certainly can't be said of namor in reference to wolvie.



you're swinging and missing here.

Originally posted by namorsubby
jla strange adventures #3.same issue, same guy who wrestled ted

that doesn't look like al pratt fighting there?:
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Untitled-Scanned-14-1.jpg

al pratt;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/Atom_pratt.jpg

you're right my mistake. I apologize.

Originally posted by namorsubby
it won't be hard to judge.......for anyone with a brain that is.

i post scans, use actual argument, etc etc. you say "well what if...." or "this could be..."

Don't be silly. I post scans of established clear strength feats. If you want I will post scans of Bat's strength later when I've had some sleep.

You just post ambiguous scans. Remember your laughable engine feat in the Wildcat v DD thread? Well it appears we have a rival for it in sheer ambiguity.

Most people don't bother arguing with you it seems. You are rather childish. I won't hold it against you. You being only what 15/16? Same age as my youngest brother.

Originally posted by namorsubby
namor and wolverine's stats are far from being that similar. they're not comparable to batman and wildcat's. you should know that.

btw, batman has several fights with persons of wildcat caliber, the same certainly can't be said of namor in reference to wolvie.



you're swinging and missing here. But styles make fights, and your logic was that they fought each other, and you ruled out Wolverine fighting Namor because Namor fought upper tier levels (while ignoring that Wolverine has done the exact same thing)... Batman has done the same.

No one is even remotely close to Wolverine that Namor has ever fought, and that's the problem (although Wolverine has fought lots of people in Namor's caliber). So how can you place him in a caliber of people?

I find it funny how this logic works only when you want it to work.

---

Either way, good job ignoring the rest of my post, and answering only the joke.

you seem to have taking a likely too me. calculating my age and what not.

if those scans are irrelelvant to our conversation then any other fact concerning either character is. it doesn't bother me though. at this point i know you're just spouting nonsense in a futile attempt to taunt me.

and now you've resorted to name-calling......just like that poor guy what's-his-face.

i'm 17, either way it doesn't matter, I'm right

Originally posted by Red Hulk
No one is even remotely close to Wolverine that Namor has ever fought WHAT ABOUT THAT TIME HE FOUGHT WOLVERINE? herbnone

Originally posted by Cavalier
WHAT ABOUT THAT TIME HE FOUGHT WOLVERINE? herbnone Pis.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
But styles make fights, and your logic was that they fought each other, and you ruled out Wolverine fighting Namor because Namor fought upper tier levels... Batman has done the same.

No one is even remotely close to Wolverine that Namor has ever fought, and that's the problem (although Wolverine has fought lots of people in Namor's caliber). So how can you place him in a caliber of people?

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Either way, good job ignoring the rest of my post, and answering only the joke. i've explained already why that style crap some of you bring up is well......crap.

wolvie has absolutely nothing on some of the people namor has engaged.to acknowlegde he can contend with them while saying he can be beaten by wolvie is simply ludacris.


batman has high end feats, everyone knows this, but he certainly doesn't routinely engage those who can decimate wildcat. you're trying to connect two disimilar things......and failing.

Originally posted by namorsubby
you seem to have taking a likely too me. calculating my age and what not.

if those scans are irrelelvant to or conversation then any other fact concerning eithe rcharacter is. it doesn't bother me though. at this point i know you're just spouting nonsense in a futile attempt taunt me.

and now you've resorted to name-calling......just like that poor guy what's-his-face.

i'm 17, either way it doesn't matter, I'm right

1.I check profiles. Yours used to say DOB 1992/93 I think. Not a hard calculation

2.W............actually never mind.

3. 17. Damn. Worse for you. By the way you argue I would have thought maybe 13.

good one, really.


you're officially off the topic.why don't come back when you have something worth contributing to it.and not that ridiculous crap you already tried pushing

Originally posted by namorsubby
good one, really.


you're officially off the topic.why don't come back when you have something worth contributing to it.and not that ridiculous crap you already tried pushing

What ridiculous crap? You don't read posts do you?

oh i don't know.....the ridiculous crap you write

purely speculating is not an effective way to argue to say the least.

*sigh* Again read properly.

All you have given is a pic of Ted armwrestling some guy with an unspecified amount of superstrength. Superstrength which is clearly piss poor low. A comic strong man like Ted would be able to at least stalemate such a man for a bit. As he did in that pic for a very short amount of time before the scene changes. Ted has no feats which put him at Batman's level of strength period.

okay relax relax. You guys both made good points before the bickering started. Lets not start anything. I think this thread is about done, and we can all safely agree Wildcat would whoop Batman

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
okay relax relax. You guys both made good points before the bickering started. Lets not start anything. I think this thread is about done, and we can all safely agree Wildcat would whoop Batman

lol.

they're you go specualting again.


1. you don't know at all whether ted has strength feats to match batman.
a.the one i showed actually is one.lol

2.you're assuming since ted can arm-wrestle him that his super-strength is "piss poor", but you have no idea what you're talking about in reference to the atom Al pratt.

this is why it is crap

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
okay relax relax. You guys both made good points before the bickering started. Lets not start anything. I think this thread is about done, and we can all safely agree Wildcat would whoop Batman i guess i'll listen to you. i'm about done anyway.

i won't post anymore, honest.

bottom line:

i'm undecided concerning h2h. thought batman at first, but i'm undecided. with gadgets i'm pretty sure bats could pull a majority.

Who cares how old he is Batman would beat Wildcat h2h or standard gear.

Originally posted by namorsubby
i've explained already why that style crap some of you bring up is well......crap.

wolvie has absolutely nothing on some of the people namor has engaged.to acknowlegde he can contend with them while saying he can be beaten by wolvie is simply ludacris.


batman has high end feats, everyone knows this, but he certainly doesn't routinely engage those who can decimate wildcat. you're trying to connect to disimilar things......and failing. Don't recall this. I mean, you're connecting dissimilar things... and failing.
You can't compare anyone Namor has fought to Wolverine because they fight nothing alike. Nothing is similar at all.

Like Hulk, Herc, Thing, Captain America? Wolverine doesn't seem to have problems with the similar opponents...

Actually, he does engage in these types of fights pretty often.

Either way, Batman has gotten better... I don't think their fights are an indication of what would happen anymore.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Who cares how old he is Batman would beat Wildcat h2h or standard gear.


with a lot of luck and the rest of the bat family

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Don't recall this. I mean, you're connecting dissimilar things... and failing.
You can't compare anyone Namor has fought to Wolverine because they fight nothing alike. Nothing is similar at all.

Like Hulk, Herc, Thing, Captain America? Wolverine doesn't seem to have problems with the similar opponents...

Actually, he does engage in these types of fights pretty often. through discussing. my word is my word:

"i won't post anymore, honest"

sorry

Batman fights people who would rape Wildcat on a pretty frequent basis.

Originally posted by Cavalier
Batman fights people who would rape Wildcat on a pretty frequent basis.

proof? examples anything?

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
proof? examples anything? Clayface, Poison Ivy, Hawkman, Killer Croc, etc, etc... I don't even have to start naming people like Superman and Captain Marvel.

Originally posted by Cavalier
Clayface, Poison Ivy, Hawkman, Killer Croc, etc, etc... I don't even have to start naming people like Superman and Captain Marvel.

dude were are talking h2h no gadgets.

Originally posted by Cavalier
Clayface, Poison Ivy, Hawkman, Killer Croc, etc, etc... I don't even have to start naming people like Superman and Captain Marvel. i'm sorry i couldn't resist:

wildcat has completely owned killer croc and beaten hawkman.i didn't make his respect thread for no reason guys......there's some pretty impressive stuff there.


batman's gadgets are the reason he beats clayface/poison ivy.

batman preps for supes and i've never heard of him beating cap.



dagnabbit! you made me lie!

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
he trained Batman and countless heroes what more do you need.
Most of them surpass him already. Batman take the majority for both scenarios for me!

Batman has too many option in h2h combat and space.

With equipment + combat skills Batman 12/10 for bats

Originally posted by vansonbee
Most of them surpass him already. Batman take the majority for both scenarios for me!

Batman has too many option in h2h combat and space.

With equipment + combat skills Batman 12/10 for bats they fought many times. wildcat won once, the rest were inconclusive.


who exactly surpasses ted that he's trained?

Originally posted by namorsubby
i'm sorry i couldn't resist:
I win.

Originally posted by namorsubby
they're you go specualting again.


1. you don't know at all whether ted has strength feats to match batman.
a.the one i showed actually is one.lol

2.you're assuming since ted can arm-wrestle him that his super-strength is "piss poor", but you have no idea what you're talking about in reference to the atom Al pratt.

this is why it is crap

1. No I do know he doesn't. Surely then you should post some.

2. No website or bio I can find even gives an example of Pratt's strength. It seems all they do is state he is superhuman. He is very likely rather low if any since WC was able to stalemate him for a very short amount of time before the scene ended. Maybe you could tell me some of Pratt's strength feats?

You are the one speculating.

Originally posted by namorsubby
they fought many times. wildcat won once, the rest were inconclusive.


who exactly surpasses ted that he's trained?
Many times? Ted won once? Isn't that enough said? Batman

Namorsubby. Here are Batman's clear and measurable strength feats. Lets see you post anything Ted has done which even comes close.

Supports the weight of a 1000lbs ceiling. I'm not sure if this one is post crisis though.

http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc244&image=77c_bat1000.jpg

Lifts up a large beam in order to help people escape. These beams can weigh anywhere from 400lbs to 1000lbs. Either way they are heavy.

http://img101.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc278&image=d54_batbeam4.jpg

Lifts a large totem off him.These can usually weigh a tonne.

http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc27&image=d5c_batotem4.jpg

Supports the weight of debris. One of the characters summarizes it probably weighs at least a tonne. He is probably correct.

http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc204&image=215_baton1.jpg
http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc192&image=b12_baton2.jpg

Easily swings around a 600lbs Man-bat.

http://img130.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58961_batswing_122_564lo.jpg

Rips open a car boot underwater.
http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc136&image=0fa_batrunk.jpg

Rips up a huge metal pipe.

http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc201&image=1f4_batduct.jpg

Rips out prison bars.

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmanthelonghalloween8pg070wv.jpg

Bends the barrel of a gun.
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc93&image=f84_batbend.jpg

Breaks steel chain handcuffs with one hand.
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc239&image=73f_batchain1.jpg

Rips nailed steel.
http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc231&image=957_batcord.jpg

Benches 600lbs of loose soil while in a weakend and drugged state.
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batman68115wg2.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batman68116pl5.jpg

Now let's see Ted top these with measurable strength feats. Not vague armwrestling contests.

Batman has already defeated WC.... He's stronger, faster, smarter, better control over his body, and a far batter fighter. Batman stomps. Batman 8-9/10.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Batman has already defeated WC.... He's stronger, faster, smarter, better control over his body, and a far batter fighter. Batman stomps. Batman 8-9/10. no he hasn't. but ted has beaten him.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Namorsubby. Here are Batman's clear and measurable strength feats. Lets see you post anything Ted has done which even comes close.

Supports the weight of a 1000lbs ceiling. I'm not sure if this one is post crisis though.

http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc244&image=77c_bat1000.jpg

Lifts up a large beam in order to help people escape. These beams can weigh anywhere from 400lbs to 1000lbs. Either way they are heavy.

http://img101.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc278&image=d54_batbeam4.jpg

Lifts a large totem off him.These can usually weigh a tonne.

http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc27&image=d5c_batotem4.jpg

Supports the weight of debris. One of the characters summarizes it probably weighs at least a tonne. He is probably correct.

http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc204&image=215_baton1.jpg
http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc192&image=b12_baton2.jpg

Easily swings around a 600lbs Man-bat.

http://img130.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58961_batswing_122_564lo.jpg

Rips open a car boot underwater.
http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc136&image=0fa_batrunk.jpg

Rips up a huge metal pipe.

http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc201&image=1f4_batduct.jpg

Rips out prison bars.

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmanthelonghalloween8pg070wv.jpg

Bends the barrel of a gun.
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc93&image=f84_batbend.jpg

Breaks steel chain handcuffs with one hand.
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc239&image=73f_batchain1.jpg

Rips nailed steel.
http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc231&image=957_batcord.jpg

Benches 600lbs of loose soil while in a weakend and drugged state.
http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batman68115wg2.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batman68116pl5.jpg

Now let's see Ted top these with measurable strength feats. Not vague armwrestling contests. i know he's not stronger than al pratt. so none of this matters.

BTW, there's nothing you can show/tell me about my all time fav character.......besides spidey of course. i know what bats can do, better than you even, but their fights and the close stats say this is a really close match. if i was going simply off of what batman does like you i'd probably share the same opinion.

point is you think he wins 10/10 in a pwn.......there's no point in even arguing with you.

Originally posted by Warrior18
1. No I do know he doesn't. Surely then you should post some.

2. No website or bio I can find even gives an example of Pratt's strength. It seems all they do is state he is superhuman. He is very likely rather low if any since WC was able to stalemate him for a very short amount of time before the scene ended. Maybe you could tell me some of Pratt's strength feats?

You are the one speculating. .........have you been to the thread?

i'll just throw one of ted's feats out there in a nice little bow for you and see how you like it:

1. ted holds an crocodile's mouth open, not closed. they close thier mouths with over 5000lbs of force. i doubt any human alive can do that:
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/guy_gardner_36_08.jpg

Originally posted by namorsubby
no he hasn't. but ted has beaten him.

Yes he did. with one headbutt.

Originally posted by namorsubby
i know he's not stronger than al pratt. so none of this matters.

BTW, there's nothing you can show/tell me about my all time fav character.......besides spidey of course. i know what bats can do, better than you even, but their fights and the close stats say this is a really close match. if i was going simply off of what batman does like you i'd probably share the same opinion.

point is you think he wins 10/10 in a pwn.......there's no point in even arguing with you.

1.ABC logic with regard to a vague feat. Ted stalematimg Al Pratt in arm wrestling for a short amount of time does not in anyway trump or equal Batman's plethora of genuine measurable strength feats.

2.Lol. You assume much about my knowledge of Batman.Their stats say otherwise. Ted only has an endurance level which equals of trumps Bats. Everywhere else he is beaten.I look at both charachters.

3. Actually I'm sure I said any where from 7/10 to 10/10 in pure H2H. READ MY POSTS. If it makes you feel better I'll say 8/10. No point arguing with you. You are a pure fanboy my friend.

Originally posted by namorsubby
.........have you been to the thread?

i'll just throw one of ted's feats out there in a nice little bow for you and see how you like it:

1. ted holds an crocodile's mouth open, not closed. they close thier mouths with over 5000lbs of force. i doubt any human alive can do that:
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/guy_gardner_36_08.jpg

I have. Ted does not perform the kind of strength feat Batman does on a regular basis. Never mind that Ted is not as skilled and certainly not as fast.

2. Croc feat is impressive.Based on what he has already done I see no reason why Bruce couldn't replicate that. Batman performs more feats more often anyway. Often while injured etc.

ps. Why didn't you list or post that feat beforehand anyway? It's more impressive than that bullshit armwrestling feat you posted.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Yes he did. with one headbutt. i have the comic in my hand.


there's absolutely no way to tell what happened. he was barely in view, and you couldn't see his face.


i don't even think this comic is canon anyway.

Originally posted by Warrior18
1.ABC logic with regard to a vague feat. Ted stalematimg Al Pratt in arm wrestling for a short amount of time does not in anyway trump or equal Batman's plethora of genuine measurable strength feats.

2.Lol. You assume much about my knowledge of Batman.Their stats say otherwise. Ted only has an endurance level which equals of trumps Bats. Everywhere else he is beaten.I look at both charachters.

3. Actually I'm sure I said any where from 7/10 to 10/10 in pure H2H. READ MY POSTS. If it makes you feel better I'll say 8/10. No point arguing with you. You are a pure fanboy my friend. how logical is it to assume that i could be operating based on bias when i like the character i'm supposedly arguing against better? i'm not even saying he wouldn't win. it's just that a few people ignorant of the other character say batman stomps and i can't let idiocy pervail.

in fact i voted batman standard gear and h2h slim majority beforehand.


you're not too bright.

honestly, Batman lost to ted once, the rest of the fights were undecided. I'm a Batman fan I actually really like the guy, he is one of my favorite comic book heroes. Still I do not buy into Batman can do anything, anytime anywhere (even though he seems to). But if we are going off Track record Wildcat beat him once, trained him. Ted use to Box but he also knows a lot more than that like Batman does. And honestly, Ted is heralded as the best/strongest "human/mortal/non-super-powered" fighters in the DC universe. So with this alone I think it would be a close fight. But with no weapons I think Ted takes it.

while i personally think ted would give batman a fight, batman tends to be just that but better than people on ted's level (like canary et al), more often than not...

batman for a decent, but not overwhelming majority, imo...

Originally posted by Raoul
while i personally think ted would give batman a fight, batman tends to be just that but better than people on ted's level (like canary et al), more often than not...

batman for a decent, but not overwhelming majority, imo...

Without her Shriek, Ted would take Canary. I know her trained her and she is a really good fighter, but in h2h Ted wins.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
Without her Shriek, Ted would take Canary. I know her trained her and she is a really good fighter, but in h2h Ted wins.

i think he could take a few off of canary, though i would argue that she could take just as many...

and i did say 'on that level' as i don't think that even if ted is superior, its by that big a leap...

Originally posted by Raoul
i think he could take a few off of canary, though i would argue that she could take just as many...

and i did say 'on that level' as i don't think that even if ted is superior, its by that big a leap...

I would agree with you in that regard. I do not think it would be an easy/quick fight for Ted. Still i feel he has the edge and is the superior fighter. That being said it would be a good fight cause Canary can definitely hold her own and dish it.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
I would agree with you in that regard. I do not think it would be an easy/quick fight for Ted. Still i feel he has the edge and is the superior fighter. That being said it would be a good fight cause Canary can definitely hold her own and dish it.

aye...

if i'm wanking canary too much, blame gail simone for her work on birds of prey...

ha-son

this'll be my final statement concerning this match:

initially i chose bats for the slim majority h2h, but now i'm unsure. considering their fights and close stats i'd say it could go either way. when 2 characters have stalemated so much in their actual encounters and their stats are so similar, it is only reasonable to consider the possibility that they are evenly matched.

with standard equipment i'd say bats for the majority. i'd say a rather large majority if i wasn't so sure that this is still most likely to turn into a brawl despite batman's gadgets. either way, with his belt batman's has the edge.

Originally posted by namorsubby



you're not too bright.

Lol. Well somehow I managed to get into university.

Let me just set the record straight with namorsubby here...

Originally posted by namorsubby
3.WC fights Batman with metal spikes gloves in a cage match. suprisely, this isn't their first fight involving metal spiked gloves. they both are stalemates. notice how WC takes a nasty hook from batman and basically shrugs it off.still standing and beginning to speak regularly afterwards:
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/BatmanWildcat2pg22.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/BatmanWildcat3pg01.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/BatmanWildcat3pg02.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/BatmanWildcat3pg03.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/BatmanWildcat3pg04.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/BatmanWildcat3pg06.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/BatmanWildcat3pg07.jpg

After the first two blows, Batman knew right away it was Wildcat he was fighting. From there, it was pretty much over. He was weaving and dodging all over Grant like he could actually see, displaying an obvious skill advantage. He was taking it easy on Ted and only hit him once to snap him out of it.

How you can come to the conclusion that this was a stalemate is totally beyond me. If they were fighting without masks and were both intent on beating the shit out of each other, Bruce would dominate.

Originally posted by namorsubby
3.WC fights batman. this was their first fight. it's a stalemate because their spiked gloves were purposely poisoned by joker, but WC had the obvious edge, knocking batman off his feet. batman staggered to his feet and replied " you almost tore my head off with that last one"

BTW, they're not really fighting over just a dog.the puppy contain's a cure to an epidemic

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/BraveBold118-14.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/BraveBold118-15.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/BraveBold118-16.jpg


This fight was pre-Crisis, therefore not even worthy of being mentioned. But just to point out, that match was entirely boxing. Not exactly indicative of how an all-out fight between the two of them would go.

Also, you pointed out the instance where Wildcat caught Batman from behind and tied him up in his own cape in JLA/JSA: Virtue and Vice. What happened afterwards, may I ask? Grant got head-butted and KO'd for his troubles.

Outside of these instance, Batman easily has the more impressive feats of skill, strength, durability, etc. Wildcat may make him work for each of his victories, but Batman takes this 10/10.

...........................

On a side note, it's pretty funny how you use the above instances to justify why you think of these two as equals. At no point have these two ever had a legitimate fight.

Logic ftw.

Okay Grant was holding back in the cage fight. If he knew it was really Batman he would of known to take it seriously and just pound on him with his insane skills.

Than for the headbutt if you refer back to the comic there's absolutely no way to tell what happened. He was barely in view, and you couldn't see his face.


i don't even think this comic is canon anyway.

Besides, as previously stated, Ted has beaten Batman before, he has nothing to prove. Who would win in a hand to hand fight between the two. Ted would why because we have already seen it happen. Batman is the one with everything to prove. And so far he has yet to ever best Wildcat.

Originally posted by batdude123
Let me just set the record straight with namorsubby here...



After the first two blows, Batman knew right away it was Wildcat he was fighting. From there, it was pretty much over. He was weaving and dodging all over Grant like he could actually see, displaying an obvious skill advantage. He was taking it easy on Ted and only hit him once to snap him out of it.

How you can come to the conclusion that this was a stalemate is totally beyond me. If they were fighting without masks and were both intent on beating the shit out of each other, Bruce would dominate.



This fight was pre-Crisis, therefore not even worthy of being mentioned. But just to point out, that match was entirely boxing. Not exactly indicative of how an all-out fight between the two of them would go.

Also, you pointed out the instance where Wildcat caught Batman from behind and tied him up in his own cape in JLA/JSA: Virtue and Vice. What happened afterwards, may I ask? Grant got head-butted and KO'd for his troubles.

Outside of these instance, Batman easily has the more impressive feats of skill, strength, durability, etc. Wildcat may make him work for each of his victories, but Batman takes this 10/10.

...........................

On a side note, it's pretty funny how you use the above instances to justify why you think of these two as equals. At no point have these two ever had a legitimate fight.

Logic ftw.

Quoted for the absolute, unequivocal, straight and narrow truth.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
Okay Grant was holding back in the cage fight. If he knew it was really Batman he would of known to take it seriously and just pound on him with his insane skills.





Batman was holding back.He knew he was fighting Ted. Not the other way round.

Originally posted by Warrior18


Batman was holding back.He knew he was fighting Ted. Not the other way round.

chair No Ted did not believe he was fighting Batman. So why would he go all out and pull put all the stops and tricks on some guy he thinks is a scrub. Ted's the kind of guy who likes to gauge his opponent and mess with them a little but. He likes the fun/challenge of the fight. He is not the type of guy who goes and finishes the fight right away unless he has to.dance
nerd

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
Okay Grant was holding back in the cage fight. If he knew it was really Batman he would of known to take it seriously and just pound on him with his insane skills.

There's absolutely no proof to support this insane conclusion. And furthermore, if Grant DID know it was Batman he was fighting, he wouldn't have fought him in the first place.

facepalm

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
Than for the headbutt if you refer back to the comic there's absolutely no way to tell what happened. He was barely in view, and you couldn't see his face.



Either you didn't actually read the comic, or you weren't paying attention. After Batman head-butts Wildcat, Ted's body goes limp and he falls down Batman's back. Later, we see Flash carrying Wildcat's unconscious body to the teleporter.

So, the options are:

1. Ted was knocked out after the head-butt.

Or...

2. He just decided to take a nap in the middle of a fight.

Which do you think is more likely?

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
i don't even think this comic is canon anyway.

Why wouldn't JLA/JSA: Virtue and Vice not be canon?

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
Besides, as previously stated, Ted has beaten Batman before, he has nothing to prove. Who would win in a hand to hand fight between the two. Ted would why because we have already seen it happen. Batman is the one with everything to prove. And so far he has yet to ever best Wildcat.

Show me this so-called fight that WC won then.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
chair No Ted did not believe he was fighting Batman. So why would he go all out and pull put all the stops and tricks on some guy he thinks is a scrub. Ted's the kind of guy who likes to gauge his opponent and mess with them a little but. He likes the fun/challenge of the fight. He is not the type of guy who goes and finishes the fight right away unless he has to.dance
nerd

What a ridiculous statement. It's obvious you have no idea what Ted Grant's personality is like.

Batman 10/10.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
chair No Ted did not believe he was fighting Batman. So why would he go all out and pull put all the stops and tricks on some guy he thinks is a scrub. Ted's the kind of guy who likes to gauge his opponent and mess with them a little but. He likes the fun/challenge of the fight. He is not the type of guy who goes and finishes the fight right away unless he has to.dance
nerd

Does it say or even imply with in the story?
I doubt it. In fact it says the opposite. Ted says he didn't know it was Bruce, otherwise he ould have gone easy on him. He came off far worse and Bruce pretty much showed he is Ted's superior in everyway.
No offence but you should read the text more carefully.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Does it say or even imply with in the story?
I doubt it. In fact it says the opposite. Ted says he didn't know it was Bruce, otherwise he ould have gone easy on him. He came off far worse and Bruce pretty much showed he is Ted's superior in everyway.
No offence but you should read the text more carefully.

You can't teach an old dumbass new tricks.

okay I want to see some scans of this supposed head-butt. Because until we conclude he actually defeated Wildcat it stands that wildcat has beat him once, and the rest are inconclusive.

Also Ted is like over 70. The fact that Batman cannot drop a 70 year old man with ease says something about Ted. Could you imagine if Ted was fighting in his prime. He would be one scary dude!!!!!

Originally posted by batdude123
You can't teach an old dumbass new tricks.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
okay I want to see some scans of this supposed head-butt. Because until we conclude he actually defeated Wildcat it stands that wildcat has beat him once, and the rest are inconclusive.

Also Ted is like over 70. The fact that Batman cannot drop a 70 year old man with ease says something about Ted. Could you imagine if Ted was fighting in his prime. He would be one scary dude!!!!!

1. He decked him straight up.

2.Trolling.

.......to look on the bright side..........at least this is one of my biggest threads.



carry on

Originally posted by Warrior18
1. He decked him straight up.

2.Trolling.

I'm done with this. Its like talking to a wall. Your obviously a biased fanboy. I'm done with this thread.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
I'm done with this. Its like talking to a wall. Your obviously a biased fanboy. I'm done with this thread.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
I'm done with this. Its like talking to a wall. Your obviously a biased fanboy. I'm done with this thread.

Says the guy who ignores what is said on panel.

you speculate/misinterpret scans to fit your convenience.



oh forget it.......i'm turning over a new leaf anyway.

what you believe is what you believe. that's fine. you think bats wins 10/10, that's great. i only ask you refrain from insulting others because they feel different.i'll try my best to do the same

thanks

Originally posted by namorsubby
you speculate/misinterpret scans to fit your convenience.





When did I do this? Stop making unfounded accusations.

it's clear, we are not aiding this topic in the continuation of relevant conversation.


so "drop it", if you will.



any other posters who wish to comment on the actual topic, carry on.

Originally posted by namorsubby
it's clear, we are not aiding this topic in the continuation of relevant conversation.


so "drop it", if you will.



any other posters who wish to comment on the actual topic, carry on.



Fair enough.

not needed.......but at least you complied and without an insult in sight.



well done


carry on