Ok, I'll counter her points as concisely as possible, before finishing with a couple posts of my own. Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Post #8 (the previous one was 7th and not 6th as it labelled)
Mostly dealing with my own strategy.
The speed of telekinetic powers
Well, the speed Hellion can move objects (including himself) with his TK powers=Mach 60 at least.
The flight with TK works just like any other TK manipulation- as explained there.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/696/xman002large0910qy6.jpg
It's not like it separate power from anything else. Flying AND navigating on that speed= enough proof of ability to apply TK on those speeds.
That doesn't make sense at all... all he does is propel himself at super speeds in a straight line, and eventually crash into the ground. Hardly navigating. That doesn't mean he can do anything finicky at all... he doesn't demonstrate any reflexes there whatsoever.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Charlotte goes on to claim a whole lot of stuff, mostly that
a) Cable has lightspeed reactions... because Cable's firing something that travels instantaneously, and because he can use this force to manipulate objects, he clearly reacts at lightspeed.
I can shoot a bullet. I might even be able to hit a very specific target.
Can I think at bullet speeds then?
lol @ this whole bullshit rant.
Basically, if you believe that every TK user ever has lightspeed thinking and reactions, you believe her.
she also claims
b) speed of thought > speed of light (see her Flash scans)
So, she actually believes (apparently) that Cable thinks at speeds superior to C (the speed of light).
Anyways, lolz @ this entire scenario... no way can Hellion with Cable's skills react at Mach 60... it's really just Cable with a possibly bigger amount of TK... if you believe Charlotte's prep, that is.
If you believe that Cable can have his entire skillset, and all of his memories and abilities taken from him in minutes at most.
Emma Frost is good, but the belief that she can DL Cable's mind into hers at will is retarded.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel Here's him (still "full power but pre-Godlike" incarnation, thus on power level we're using there) fighting and PWNing Lightmaster, who is a legitimate lightspeedster.
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He wasn't outspeeded in the slightest there.
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Are you insane? Do you actually read your own scans, or believe that I lack the most basic reading comprehension?
Let me describe those scans to you... the parts that are relevant, anyways.
Cable meets someone who can turn into light.
This person tears Cable to shit... the only reason Cable survives is because he has Deadpool's healing factor... the "gift" that he references".
The speedster stops to talk and gloat. Cable then uses his base to teleport that person to the moon, and concedes that they'll be back in seconds.
Cable has a conversation, they come back, then he reveals that he has a master plan that involves lots of prep not at all related to this match.
Then you claim that he was perfectly capable of keeping up with the speedster.
Wow.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel The supposed difference between "flight speed and fight speed" Smurph tries to create is meaningless there, as for telekinetics both are achieved by the same means. It's irrelevant whether you're moving himself on "Mach impossible" speeds or doing it to the other things- it's all done via the same means.
Hellion can give himself a horizontal velocity of Mach 60 (let's say that estimate of yours is correct).
This doesn't mean he can react at Mach 60... only that he's powerful enough to propel himself at those speeds.
A fighter jet can travel super fast. That doesn't mean the pilot could navigate a maze in his jet at those speeds, nor does it mean he could react to an attack that quickly. But he does have the keys to a vehicle that can propel itself very fast.
Hellion has the "keys" to telekinesis that can propel things very fast.
Cable can do cool things relatively slowly.
Combining them (pretending that you'd be able to access anything inside Cable's mind) doesn't mean that he could react at the top speed that his telekinesis can propel things at.
Worst. Logic. Ever.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel Blocking out psi-powers
I've shown the scans of TK blocking out Nimrod's energy output and quite frankly, I don't even need offensive TP to finish you off.
Proven- Nimrod can't block telekinesis, period. And Rachel isn't the best X-telepath skillwise, skillwise she always was far cry from Emma, Jean or Cable.
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4342/newxmen02505da9.jpg
The scan you're using as proof. The telepaths can't detect a sentinel, that says nothing about him BLOCKING OUT their powers. He blocks it... from detecting him.
I'm sorry, where did you prove anything about Nimrod's ability to block TK?
Ignoring your baseless claims, Tony Stark and Reed Richards can both block telekinesis, and we have access to all of their technology, as we have their entire collection of memories relating to all things invention.
Nimrod can also counter any mutant power, and there's no reason he couldn't block telekinesis as easily as telepathy, nor have you proven that he couldn't.
The best that you did was post a scan of a robot that wasn't even Nimrod.
Oh, and FYI, this is the scan we're using as proof-
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1585/uxm194page18xs2.jpg
Nimrod doesn't block the TK there, because he hadn't deemed it necessary. If the fight hadn't ended as soon as Nimrod came out of the rubble unscathed, perhaps he would have blocked the TK. We don't know.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel In summary- putting the 0,5 km wide area around us in telekinetic stasis and THEN destroy your weaponry and what's left of your team after your suicidal prep IS VALID and you can't do anything about it.
Who's putting the 0.5 kilometer wide area around it in stasis?
Even if you had Cable's memories, you're giving them to someone who didn't have the control to lift a pencil, as you showed with your scans.
Cable at base was a lot better equipped, and Hellion's getting all this DL'd into him at super speeds- when the fight starts, he'll still be recovering from the blow to his head, and wouldn't be able to sort out any of his memories well enough to do anything with his powers, much less something as complex as telekinetic stasis.
And when has Cable EVER put anything in TK stasis? That was Nate Grey in your scans.
And, remember, there's no way Charlotte's team could even acquire enough of Cable's memories to do anything with them in the first place. She only has a couple minutes.