League of Champions Semi-Finals: #1 B-Dub/Smurph Vs. #4 Charlotte

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illadelph12
Semi-finals Round: Planet Arrakis : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrakis
Duration: Match begins Wednesday, December 3rd. For the playoffs matches will end when participants exhaust their post quotas/state they are finished debating.

#1 B-Dub/Smurph Vs. #4 Charlotte

Judges: Badabing, Citizen V, Symmetric Chaos, Darthgoober, Illadelph

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In fact that match is going to be very interesting by several reasons. In fact, that's "highly immobile team vs highly mobile team".

The most movable unit in their team is Nimrod\Warlock amalgam, but their weak points are evident (especially now, when they've removed a proper grower from equation) and would be addressed in battle post.

My team's mobility, however, is top notch.
Pythia displays excellent teleporting prowess (due to Faust's teleporting capabilities+top notch thinking speed due to Oracle's genius brain).

Amped Hellion operated on Mach 60 at least (Sentinel pilots decided their sensors went haywire)
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31029nw0.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31030xl7.jpg
http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31031dd3.jpg

After psi-blockers being removed, Miss Martian speed also went into the league of those peak for her species, so Emeralda is also capable to move on tourney peak movement speed.

But that's lyrics to highlight my UBER speed advantage, and then we're going to other things.

Emeralda's job
Right after appearing on the battlefield Emeralda emits omnidirectional psionic wave. The wave basically scrambles the sections of people's brains responsible for them having powers.
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generationx01817mn0.jpg
Emma's shown radius of operating>>>Bedlam's shown radius of operating, so the trick is pretty safe. We're also protected in TK shield from any EMP.

Also you should note, than while both Warlock and Nimrod are immune to TP used directly on them, they can do nothing to prevent psi-powers (TP and TK) from being used AROUND them.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/X-Force36p10.jpg
That's the weak incarnation of Cable, mind you. Hellion operates on roughly the level of Cable in between of Cable 100- Cable&Deadpool #5 (sans virus but prior to gaining Deadpool's HF and becoming truly God Cable) and has FULL skillset and experience of Cable uploaded into his brain (so has Emeralda, in regards to TP).

So...everyone in your team with biological brain is now powerless and true cannon foddler.

Pythia's job
That's the backup plan for the Emeralda one.

Note that everything in there was discussed with Ill and deemed legal.

Faust can remove just specific section of person's soul, without harming it otherwise.
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kobra1rk8.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kobra2tp2.jpg

He's also known to be able to access the specific fragment of the soul responsible for one having and controlling their powers (even tech-based ones like in GL case) either for stealing\copying them for himself or for transferring them somewhere else.
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stealspowerxl7.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stealspower2ix1.jpg

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mergehalove5.jpg

Faust has shown to be able to tap souls without tactile contact.
http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=soullesslj4.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unsoundproofcf1.jpg

So what Pythia amalgam does at the very start of the battle is reaching out to opposing team's souls and tapping into the section responsible for having the powers- but not to take them for myself (possible power copying), but to delete\remove that part of the soul outright. Or we can transfer them into some sandtrouts crawling in the sand around (see Halo scan above for reference).

The ones left powerless by that move- Cyclops, Bedlam, Elixir. Possibly- Warlock, cause he has a soul\hybrid status after the very Douglock ordeal (I assume you've drafted the current version).

Hellion's job

Julian is BY FAR the fastest one in the battlefield. The movement speed for everyone is capped on Mach 10, but not the speed of attacks or telekinesis which is at least Mach 60 for the amped version.
And with that superfast TK we can toy with your weaponry whatever we like, using finesse we gained due to Cable's skillset to either redirect it back on you or dissolve it into dust.
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7568/soldierxv201012rougheryx1.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8534/soldierxv201013rougheres4.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2937/soldierxv201014rougherbd3.jpg
That's what be happening to your weapons. At Mach 60 speed, mind you (probably even higher).

There are some other points about your offense line in the match, but I'll save them for actual match posts.

Charlotte DeBel
Charlotte's post #1

Danm, guys, you really do make me work. I expected a bit different... and easier plan. That one has some holes to work with, though.

Some points to start the debunking from, though.

Elixir- the weapon of... WTF?

Elixir having a ton of powersets and next to none experience with that powerset= weapon of doom... for your own team. Face it, you have NOTHING to tweak experience problem...and have tried to recreate full power Gambit in prep.
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/250/gambitunlimited11999200gz2.th.jpg
The same one, who, while being horribly inexperienced in the power use (just like Elixir herewink) has the bad tradition of blowing his teammates up. And you do remember that one of the reasons for 616 Gambit to go to Sinister was killing off a few of his girlfriends due to uncontrollable powers?
So.. by all odds and means feel free to recreate him. Just makes my job easier.

Stacking a power over power of powerful telepaths don't give you sh*t performancewise, frankly. Without any experience to feed in you'll get horribly confused kid, able to perform only basic stuff with his powers.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/696/xman002large0910qy6.jpg
Even learning how to fly is hard, and you said nothing on practicing more sophisticated stuff in prep.

You'll most likely firing wildly on your teammates. Guys, you've PWNed themselves in prep with your Elixir plan.

I have some big raw power as well, but with skills to back it up. Skill is always>>raw power. thumb up for Elixir, the guy almost won the match for me on himself.

But there's also something to say about your other guys.

Phalanx and how to deal with it

Your team is infected with Phalanx. Good for you. But you do know that unlike Warlock himself, the Phalanx-altered people whom he has infected DON'T have any solid resistance from TP.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/770/warlockmtech04p09tu7.th.jpg
Said person getting a psionic seizure from some nobody in psi-world (nowhere near the level of psi-power I have avaliable for my team).

Even Phalanx units aren't immune to wide range mind blasts.
http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen31605kj6.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen31620ml1.jpg

The bigger we are... the weaker we are?
See, the thing is that Warlock is kinda specific kind of grower. He grows by converting energy into mass.
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6472/warlockmtech02p14qh9.th.jpg
Given a proper energy resourse, he can grow to ridiculous sizes, that's true. But that doesn't strengthen his energy powers at the slightest. Quite the contrary, the bigger you are, the less things you can do when not backed up by proper energy reserve.
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9194/warlockmtech03p04iz4.th.jpg
And what happens to him when he exhaust his energy reserve but needs to stay gigantic? Several TK blasts were enough to PWN him. He becomes VERY fragile in that state.

Arms race- limited to actual arms?
You counted soo much on Warlock's overrated technomorphing capabilities in a few previous rounds. But you've forgot a few other things.
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newmutantsannual325qj8.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newmutantsannual332nd9.jpg
Even at his very best (New Mutants Annual #3) Warlock has never created any working technology physically independent from his own body.

Your event horizon missle is a warhead of a missle, guys. A missle you'll never have a chance to build (cause Nimrod has never created complicated tech separable from his body).
Not to say we can redirect it with utter ease, in fact going by the scan description the "blackhole missle" is not that powerful and has the area effect of regular nuke (was promoted as ecologically-friendly nuke for US army).

In fact, even if you by some miracle can build it, we have more than enough TK potential to compensate the effect. Julian has compensated the effects of flying at Mach 60 (!) in the lower layers of atmosphere. Unprotected unit in thick atmospthere gets broken\melted into incoherent particles on that speed, but he kept himself, X-23 and surrounding area just fine with subconscious TK manipulation.

Also, not all the tech you're building is homogenous\mechanical. Some needs to have their components altered. Can Phalanx provide needed material backup? The answer is "no", I'm afraid.
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/8097/warlockmtech07p06mz6.th.jpg
Phalanx has the habit of turning working things into non-working, not wise versa. The girl in the scan is Phalanx-infected, just like the rest of your team. So.. no uber tech-building for you, guys. Kiss that single strategy goodbye.

Your invisibility
You proud yourself on your invisibility, hovewer, you themselves have ruined it. How?
You have amalgamated in the way every your member has a soul. My soul-stripping plan works just fine, and I'll also be able to see your souls.
http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=seeauraxz8.jpg
The holograms don't have any souls and will be ignored.

BTW, while talking about your souls... I can strip you of fragments of them with ridiculous ease.
Pythia thinking speed is top notch, computer-level calculations in seconds.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2024/birdsofprey111011xr3.th.jpg
And on that thinking speed, thinking of a proper magic manipulation would be a piece of cake. Magic manip that leaves your depowered, and since I'll be simply removing the fragments of your soul, not tapping into them to take them, no ridiculous BS about powercopying can be brought into that match.

Nimrod
While we're on that, can't resist urge to throw something interesting into there.

Nimrod isn't as adaptive as they seem to think. Well, he has some preset weaponry configurations to deal with the most common mutant powersets- in fact, the number of "important" powersets a mutant can have is fairly limited, and a vast- really vast database on every significant mutant unit of set time period- he's from the future and that's no wonder.

Examples of said database.
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11yd0.jpg

http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31003ho2.jpg

When he meets an "abnormality" not included in database...well, he fails to evolve on the spot, he's no Darwin. Team Smurph overuses the "molecular control" part there, however all he did with it was an attempt to heal, not to evolve anything against something as basic as teleporter with superstrength. Not the most exotic powerset ever, guys?
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nimrod1te9.jpg

Not quite the uber technomorph, but a guy who has a few basic configurations installed and a database to manage them. And still failed to create technology independent from his actual body (that's why 50% of your stuff is impossible\not working).

Charlotte DeBel
Post #2 (basically an addition and clarification to the first one)

I should remember to stop writing tourney rebuttals when sleepy\early in the morning. I've omitted some really vital parts.

First, Elixir

I've already pointed out that particular part of your plan as dangerous to the point of being suicidal. However, that's even worse- it's NOT WORKING properly from any POV.

See, all the people you want to gain powers from are classified as mutants, homo superior. They all gain their powers- within all their diversity- from a single part of DNA sequence known colloqually as X-Gene. That's it, one particular locus- with difference in one or two genes.

However, the thing is, Elixir is also a homo superior. And he also posesses that particular locus- codifying his own powers. ANY alterations performed on that locus- you want to codify multiple superpowers of the same origin, confined to the same locus (X-gene) and different only by one or two genes, to the same genome, remember- would lead to potential overlap, not power stacking, AND Elixir losing his very own powers in the first place.

Whenever we see him manipulating DNA, we see him altering the things that have nothing to do with X-Gene. He can restore genetic damage, that's it. But the stuff you want him to do will basically let to self-destructing one's X-Gene, as it's impossible to "stock" genes confined to one locus.

http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=010zz2.jpg
Here's an example of his manipulation level. He gets nowhere near X-Gene\X-locus, as altering it would be fatal to his own powers. Altering phenotype\appearance, yet getting nowhere near the power alteration.

Had the people whose genes you're using get their powers in different ways\have them codified in different DNA sequences, the plan could have worked. However, they all are mutants and have their powers confined to the one genetic sequence\locus- X-gene. Elixir also posesses the X-Gene, and ANY alteration of his own (and that's what your team suggests) would result in him GETTING DEPOWERED or getting random powerset which overwrites his own (remember, the same locus\genetic sequense) and which he has ZERO experience with.

So much for that tactic, guys...moving on.

Phalanx assimilation...or ASSimilation?

To begin with, there are some vital points to hit there. I've already touched the power source problem. Here's the other scan reinforcing that.
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7699/warlockmtech0814cq4.th.jpg
So, 1000 ft tall giants firing all kinds of weaponry and erecting superstrong forcefields aren't going to happen. Not enough energy for that, guys, plain and simple. You either stay big or have weapon configurations, not both together (and you still can't create any weaponry physically independent from your own body).

Also, you talk about infecting your guys with transmoding virus. However, it was stated by Warlock that transmode virus can't infect inanimate\non-biological objects. And you have pretty much non-biological Nimrod, who's essentially a piece of tech, just like Cerebro unit, shown in the scan above.
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7494/warlockmtech03p07ml6.th.jpg
By trying to infect Nimrod you guys pretty much bought him one way ticket to scrapheap, congratulations!!!
Transmoding the tech by infecting is Phalanx' common way to battle\destroy it.
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5504/warlockmtech080607mq9.th.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8792/warlockmtech0520jj9.th.jpg
Or for more reference- here's Bastion (basically spiced up version of your guy) getting PWNed that way.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8950/warlockmtech06p17hq3.th.jpg
You could have escaped that either by straight amalgamation or by structural blending (see Praxagora case in Annihilation for reference, I think that's what you'll be trying to use to escape my point about Nimrod being succesfully infected) but the first didn't happen and the second requre lab and much more prep time than your team got.

Another thing you need to remember is when someone gets transmodded, his initial biological powers are cut off in 99% of cases due to different cellular structure.
So AT BEST my team is facing a few generic Phalanx units\drones WITHOUT access to any substantial energy reserve.

Some more points
I know there's a yawn-festy scanblitz of plotdevice stuff coming forth, I've dealt with some of pre-requisites for that (or impossibility of those pre-requisites, more likely) in advance, but I'll touch quite a few more things.

Some of your plot device stuff is just that... a plot device stuff. For example, your prized electronic converter. It was build specifically to combat Magneto, that's it... and it makes it utterly useless piece of tech for anyone not using electromagnetic powers.

Sonic Shark aka Big LOL. Probably the most overrated piece of technology at KMC. Apart from being slow as shit (classic Human Torch who maxed out around Mach 1 has no troubles keeping up with it), it's build specifically to drain Power Cosmic. Now name me an individual in my team who's powered by Power Cosmic?
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1161/webspinnerstalesofspidefv1.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7645/webspinnerstalesofspidekt2.jpg
Note- the 1st scan may not work due to server problem, however judges (mostly Goober who has posted those scans originally) are familiar with those. If needed the working version would be reposted.

Some amplifying sh*t they'll most sure try to use to overcome their energy problem.
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/9676/advancedoptimizerhp4.jpg
Well, with your team's inability to create the complicated tech independent from your own bodies that will come to the proverbial wolf eating his own guts in order to survive (the thing still needs energy to work, you need energy to stay big and to be able to morph etc). Utterly useless piece of crap.
You have no extra energy to add into equation and going by how Warlock's powers work, you won't be getting it.

I purposely ignore some more specific crap like sensors, magic inhibitors etc going by Warlock's on-panel inability to create anything more complicated that simple mechanics and Nimrod's on-panel inability to "evolve" his already inbuid sensors\inhibitors to deal with pretty basic target- superstrong teleporter. However, if Smurph would insist, I'll post my comments on that part of his scanblitz.

I'm playing a bit of pre-cog there, since that scanblitz is the same from match to match and it becomes really, really predicable. I think the same scans would be posted once again.

Charlotte DeBel
Charlotte's post #3

Above I've dealed with why ALL energy-consuming stuff can be pretty much brought out of play for team B-Dub- they simply won't have any energy sourse to power up all their various tech (specifically stuff like Class 4 Disintegrator, which needs to be installed on kind of starship or something). No herald busting weapons for you, darlings. Sonics are also pretty much ruled out of equation, as my team's mobility>>>speed of sound. So your anti-Juggs sonic blast=useless thingy.

That's providing they find a way around other various problems such as tricky assimilation of inorganics.

However, that's all for now about their team, now let's talk about mine.

We begin with Hellion

Some forcefield feats- not amped version there, mind you.

Big explosion created by Nimrod
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/182/newxmen030022dc9.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen030023by0.jpg

Disintegrator ray of said Nimrod- the one you're hyping up soo much, guys.
http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31009pg1.jpg

http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31015vx3.jpg

That's not amped version of Hellion here, and the energy output of Nimrod wasn't amped in the slightest from what you've done in prep (Phalanx is really energy-comsuming stuff, you know). So the initial TK shieding would be more than enough to take your blasts (the amp\power unlocking wastly increased Julian's powers).


Shields the Blackbird with his forcefields as it crashes through the caved in sealed off cliffside tunnel, of about a mile and half in length.
http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forcefield4ag8.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forcefield5lz5.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forcefield6mc4.jpg

Flies through the hellfire explosion created by Belasco
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmenkryptoniawezzdcpxv5.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmenkryptoniawezzdcpsd0.jpg

If that's normal levels, then what's the capability in ridiculously amped state?
Add to that Cable's experience\skillset.

In fact, with amped power and the finest skillset possible (Cable= the best\most experienced TK user in Marvel) we can do our own version of stasis field...and unlike in the case of your team we'll only need that for a while.
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/573/cable03009ay3.jpg

We also have access to the finest TK skillset allowing to apply telekinesis down to molecular level.
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/1437/cable10716xc6.jpg
Manipulating the air within the battlefield

Manipulating one's own body structure:

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6007/soldierxv200616rougheryq7.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/958/soldierxv200617roughergp1.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6626/soldierxv200619rougheryw9.jpg
Size manipulation.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2343/soldierxv200716roughertg2.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2116/soldierxv200717rougherxz9.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7125/soldierxv200718rougherwb9.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7489/soldierxv200719rougherht8.jpg
DNA alteration

Or just merely dissolving your weaponry into dust as shown above. We have herald-ranked power level and skill level to match it.

Pythia stuff
Our Faust\Oracle amalgam has access to skills of Zachary Zatara and Magik II to add to her\his own skillset.

That means very advanced teleportation tricks
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=excalibur08412qa5.jpg
Magik II is able to teleport on reflex, without any time consuming gestures- a single thought is all that's needed.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124737_Excalibur_076_p09/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124740_Excalibur_076_p16/
Teleporting range while with passengers. From USA to Bavaria into second. We can "jump" a continent away from you if needed. And that's instantly, going by the scan above and Pythia's more than formidable thinking speed.

http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dimensiondumptj6.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dimensiondump2le3.jpg
http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dimensiondump3bq9.jpg
Faust's own teleporting prowess. Combined with our ability to put your weaponry in stasis for at least a few seconds (we won't need more there)... well, we can simply dump all your external weaponry (providing you CAN build one, despite scans posted above causing serious doubt in that regard) in another dimension.

There's also funny thing such as transmutation. With all the skillsets Pythia posessess nothing stops her\him from transmuting the air around your team into adamantium\promethium.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993062_01/

And the last but not the least- our wonderful Emeralda

See, with removed psi-blockers she has all the abilities of peak Martian speciperson.
That incluses speed
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6514/flash1xy0.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5810/flash2ye7.jpg

Powerful blasts of raw psionic energy
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic100.jpg

In addition to eyebeams.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993268_06/
Which due to amp moved pretty close to THAT:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic118.jpg
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic119.jpg

Strength moved close in the range of that
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic122.jpg
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic123.jpg

There's also always an option of going into diamond form. That doesn't scramble passive psionic powers as shown there:
http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gsastonishingxmen01010eh8.jpg
And again there:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx3_L6L0

So basically there's Emeralda's full powerset avaliable to her in diamond form, minus offensive TP which won't be needed too much after opening seconds of the battle.

Just how durable said diamond form is?
It allowed Emma to survive the destruction of Genosha which means a few things.

The radiation levels off the charts
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen116023fu2.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen13216kr5.jpg

Cassandra Nova's nanosentinels assimilating everything in sight- not unlike Phalanx, in fact even better
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pagesfromsentinelsquadoer4.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen11420aa2.jpg

Reflecting\redirecting energy attacks (such as Cyclops' eyebeams)
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page06xmen188qk1.jpg

And more interesting stuff...
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Summary:
In fact, my prep was nothing exotic\reaching.
The psi-blockers removal was actually shown on panel.
Skillsets transfer=instant and perfect.
I had 4 minutes of spare time to get those skills in tune with powerlevels (not actually needed when I have FULL memories\experience).

The opposing team pretty much handicapped themselves by going into energy-consuming Phalanx route.
That was proven with multiple scans.

Their Elixir feat is also dubious as you've only shown (and it was the only thing shown on panel) him tweaking with phenotype\appearance stuff (skin colour, eyesight)- even with Beast's experience.
The thing that he can alter his own X-Gene to the point of multiple overlaps and it still would be working somehow is... pretty much stretching it.

However, it's up to judges, whether they believe random scanblitzes or the things that actually work.

DigiMark007
Originally posted by illadelph12
Team (best. names. ever.) :
Techpocalypse (Nimrod, Bedlam)
Cylock (Warlock, Cyclops)
Elixir

Disagree. I woulda gone with Warclops and Bedrod.

313

Badabing
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Disagree. I woulda gone with Warclops and Bedrod.

313 no expression facepalm

leonidas
yawn

Cavalier

Cavalier

Cavalier

Charlotte DeBel
Lulz at Smurph's "list of misconceptions"

Energy problem

Still alive and well. In fact, I anticipated you trying to use Cyclops as battery. But... that's badly executed battery.
First of all, satisfactory for Phoenix (for whatever reasons- I smell PIS there)=\=satisfactory for transmode process. It's not like you can prove that transmode process can be powered by gravitons.

One PIS scan based on Cyclops\Jean thing=\= anything satisfactory there.


Powers

First mine. Aka dealing with retarded denial of what was shown on panel.

Darling, WTF is "secondary mutation"? I was talking about full potential- look at that scan.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220272_Teen_Titans_053-15/
Said potential was PARTIALLY unlocked on panel- already.

The scan you've given such a retarded interpretation says that she has "troubles to embrace her warrior personality" AKA purposely holds back. NOWHERE does it say about troubles with control.

Moving on. Julian.



There's when I LOLd at Smurph's desperate attempts to make my strategy seem inplaysible.

What's the speed of reflexes of your average, run on the mill TK user (aka Psylocke pre-recurrestion)? You'd be surprised, guys.
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/996/speedofthoughtmh6.jpg
Speed of thought of your average TK user=speed of light. Psylocke. From the times she had troubles picking coins from the ground. Nowhere near the level of Cable's finesse.

Flight in the straight line- if you wish to see it that way.
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31030xl7.jpg
He clearly maneures without losing speed. If he could lift truck from the ground while STILL moving on the speed beyond the level of perception Sentinels' sensors posess... with "control panel" of his brain rewired to Cable's standart (current Cable, with full lifetime of expreience, including Godlike period) redirecting your missles towards you would be still very valid thing.

With Cable's skillset, fast multitasking=no problem. He's the best telekinetic in comics when it comes to multitasking.


Your plan- aka why patching loopholes with your fingers suck

Elixir part.
You've never shown how exactly would you avoid overlapping genes except for the part of causing yourself extreme genetic damage.

Also, Sinister's and Beast's experience is all fine and dandy, but both of them took YEARS to decypher one single genome. All the Elixir has done so far on panel was either altering phenotype (appearance) (golden skin) or curing inborn defects (cancer, myopic sight).
Saying he'll perfectly give himself 10+ powers while never operating before (even with Beast's skillset) on such level= WTF? Also proof that he can add extra genes to the locus without damaging DNA structure?

Knowledge on genetics, and experience on manipulating his powers are two separate things. The situation would be no different then Firestorm with Martin Stein, applying his thermodynamic know how on Firestrom power set. Yet, he still needs to go through the ups and downs of Firestorm power set to know what he can or cant do. Your team does not have such luxury within 10 minutes.

Instead of awesome powers you'll likely get heavily damaged DNA stucture. Just because there are mutants who posess more than one "mutation", doesn't mean that writing different samples of X-Gene into one sample without previous experience of doing anything like that (he did pretty simple things before even with Beast's skillset).



Phalanx part.
Since I don't believe Cyclops powering you up ridiculously (Phoenix=\=Phalanx by any weird leap of logic), Nimrod infected by transmode virus still dies.

Bastion was a cyborg and that's what happened to him when he was infected by transmode virus:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9415/warlockmtech06p17am8.th.jpghttp://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3962/warlockmtech06p18da9.th.jpg

Results. The only one of your amalgams that's working is Warlock\Bedlam which is nowhere near the level of scariness you want to seem. That's basically Warlock with EMP-generating powers, not scary at all.

Livewire tech
Tell me, darlings, where the f*ck you got is from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livewires_(comic)
First, Steam Cell physiology doesn't=Nimrod's or Warlock's by any leap of logic.
Second, Livewires only appeared in one 6 issue-long mini and aren't legal in the tourney. I don't get how you get'em, those are illegal, and using Steam Cell's physiology to justify Nimrod's or Warlock's, neither of which posess similiar powers= pretty much retarded.
Neiter Nimrod nor Warlock can't replicate Steam Cell's physiology to begin with- we're arriving to the same "Wolf eating their own guts" paradox.
Their bodies are nowhere near advanced for the level of building nanofactories inside them. If they were, they wouldn't have had problems with creating external tech to begin with.

LOL at Smurph's "logic" there.

Bastion taking technopathic control over Elixir
That's provided transmoded Elixir (or anyone) still has those mutant powers, as transmoding means actual alteration of cellular structure so there won't be any mutated DNA to begin with.

That's provinding Nimrod survives being transmoded (scans above). And Nimrod's level of control\familiarity with those powers roughly=Elixirs and roughly=zero.

Blocking psionic powers
That's pretty much retarded. Nimrod can defend himself against TK attack and NOT NULLIFY it (scans above in my post #3, where he compensates for it), telepathy doesn't work on him cause he's a freakin' ROBOT, that's all. Telepathy never worked on robots, on cyborgs, on the other hand... well, you themselves assumed that your guys are cyborgs, not robots.
While Rachel had troubles affecting Nimrod with TP (which is obvious as he's robot), she had no troubles throwing a building on him- he survived that.

Blackhole bomb
Since there's no Livewire technologies for you (or rather Warlock and Nimrod being unable to replicate Livewires' powers, not having build-in nanofactories and not having feats of recreating anything remotely similiar to one), that bomb is almost as fantasy as my odds of having sex with real life version of Dante Sparda.

To quote Digi in parallel match:
Originally posted by DigiMark007

Black Hole. Of Logic

The black hole device, by their own scan, requires a fission reactor, which includes far more exotic materials than some metal. Do they have atomic matter manipulation skills in that amalgam to go with the already-ludicrous techno-morphing?


All you have access to is some metal- Nimrod and Warlock metallic body, Phalanx's technoorganic structure is homogenous as far as chemical makeup goes (that's why transmoding was rendering tech unworking).
And yet you go so far as ingiting complex nuclear reactions. Also, holograms are=immaterial, and I can deal with grabbing a bit of thin air along with grabbing your missles (which fly in pretty much straigthforward trajectory, we can see launching points (your guys) and calculate trajectory easily).

Still no way around energy crisis for your team. Elixir and Nimrod things are based off contradictory desperation.

My team works smoothly (except maybe soul-ripping part, but seeing MAJOR ELEPHANT-SIZED loopholes in your own plans, I don't need it).

Charlotte DeBel
By the way, the horrible ridiculous idea of controlling unfamiliar mutant powers via technoorganics is... just that, horrible ridiculous idea.

http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cd182005streetsamuraidcwq2.jpg
See, technoorganics (such as Phalanx) are setting up major conflicts with mutant powers.
So by attempting to get said powers under control by the means of Phalanx you'll only screw up the things even more.

Just because Elixir is labeled as "omega level mutant" doesn't make him sturdy vessel for handing all those ridiculous amouths of power. And your examples of "multiple powers" are at best one psionic and one physical power per character, two powersets, not a ton of those.

Just adding on genes on top of your own genome would turn you into some genetic abomination. If anything, it would kill you. So far all that Elixir did was reconfiguring abnormalities, not adding weird stuff on top of the genome. That part of your prep fails.

Building nanofactory without nanotech to get said nanotech to construct tech is so retardingly illogical I won't even debate that. Nimrod has never created anything outside of his basic pre-installed configuration, even Omega Sentinel had feats to provbe herself as technomorph (turned into life support system). Under that logic we can label ANY cyborg with any sort of retractable weaponry and analytical DB as technomorph... hell, Digi's Minion would be a technomorph under that logic.
Warlock has also never created any complex tech out of his body... and you talk NANOFACTORY.

Cyclops blasts as "food" for Phoenix says nothing, so far we haven't seen Phalanx absorb\powerup from anything remotely resembling that. That OOZES of desperation, darling.
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That's all for me now, I'll see if I'll be able to post tomorrow.

Blair Wind
Might as well post something right? BTW, having to read the scans and noticing that what you say about them and what is actually in them have no correlation is annoying. Just thought Id put that out there.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Energy problem

Still alive and well. In fact, I anticipated you trying to use Cyclops as battery. But... that's badly executed battery.
First of all, satisfactory for Phoenix (for whatever reasons- I smell PIS there)=\=satisfactory for transmode process. It's not like you can prove that transmode process can be powered by gravitons.

One PIS scan based on Cyclops\Jean thing=\= anything satisfactory there.


Cyclops, New Sun Gambit, Bedlam, ect ect. We have multiple ways of powering ourselves up in terms of internal power sources.

We ALSO have the tech savvy of Mr. Terrific, Reed Richards, Tony Stark, and even Mr. Sinister. Our tech sifting abilities allow us to create energy devices capable of using our internal power sources.

You really believe that we have no way of powering ourselves? You are so focused on one person in our amalgam that you are not noticing the benefits they synergisticly give each other.



However, what you are suggesting is that Oracle and Emma will be able to help her unleash her warrior side.....because Oracle interacted with White Martians? You know how absurd that sounds? blink

Like you said, moving on.




First off, using Psylocke in a match that has nothing to do with her? Not smart. Second, taking that scan to mean that it translates to reflexes is absurd.

Second, she seems to think she has all the skills of Cable and Jean Grey because she "assimilated" them from a former match... but I really don't think that Emma would be able to overcome Cable and Jean Grey's mental defenses to the point where she could assimilate their entire skill set in the couple minutes she's given. Anyone else call BS on that?




Ok, so you know who Mr. Sinister is right? You know that he has given mutants powers correct? He has studied Jean Grey, Scott Summers, Gambit, and various others. With his experience, we will very much so be able to give out super powers. When Elixir got Beast's knowledge, he was able to immediately understand his powers better. With Sinister's knowledge, not only is what we want to do with him plausible it is probably under utilizing his powers.

I mean think about it, the man has created a heart out of thin air. He has control of all organics, biological functions and the like on a genetic scale. With Sinisters experience, the possibilities are limitless




We have the energy to support it. We have already established that as fact.



In previous rounds we had Black Box pull up information on the live livewire members and gained Stem Cells stats. That is how we gained that specific information. You are really limiting Warlock and his techshifting skills. Especially mixed with the knowledge we have gathered in our previous rounds.



Read the scan again. Rachel says she could not communicate with the rest of the X-men. And Tony has created a TK blocking device also, so with our knowledge, you would have no powers period.




The way that you take scans and place them out of context is amazing. You can really pull almost anything out from them cant you? Because the scan you just showed had nothing to do with the process that the Phalanx go through.


Summary
Let us remember a few things:

We are invisible
We have a genetics manipulator and all the experience of how to handle mutant genetics.
We have all kinds of energy and various super powersets
We have the tech knowledge of REED RICHARDS, TONY STARK, MR. TERRIFIC, and Mr. SINISTER
Add to that the technomorphic properties of Warlock and we can replicate ANYTHING.

Our offense output puts theirs to shame - New Sun Gambit? What do they have that compares? A Black Hole Nuke? What do they have to counter? Charlotte is in a deep hole in this one guys.

She cannot hope to compete with us and our complete amalgam effects. Our team is greater than the sum of its parts, and she cannot cope with that. Our team is a mesh of the greatest synergistic effect in this entire tournament. Vote Blair/Smurph. smile

Charlotte DeBel
Sweet, sweet fantasies, guys.

However, still NO solid proof that you can:
a)give themselves tons of powers without killing\depowering Elixir- even WITH Beast's experience and access to the X-labs he never experimented with anyone's powers, and you plan on overlaping tons of powers over each other.
b)black hole nukes. With no material to start reaction at all.

With New Son powers you'll blow your own team to Kingdom Come as soon as you get them- remember, ZERO control and that power is really prone to do such stuff when comes out of control.
Nimrod isn't much help with that as New Son Gambit wasn't from his timeline, and he never encountered full power Gambit, nor he's recorded in his databases.

To make it easier, I'll quote Smurph's opinion on the matter.
Originally posted by Cavalier

I already knew about the Gambit/Sage business... meh. The original New Sun couldn't control his powers and blew up his planet.

Go ahead, make that in prep, then kill yourself...



You getting New Sun=win for me, authomatically.

Original Smurph

Charlotte DeBel
Charlotte's post #6\10

First of all, let's deal with your prep- and why it's still suicidal.

Phalanx thing- aka the biggest failure of your team

I'm beginning that thing with the scans of Bastion being unable to sustain being transmoded into Phalanx unit.
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warlockmtech06p17am8.jpg
http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warlockmtech06p18da9.jpg

However, you've attempted to answer that with mutant powers supposingly powering up your amalgams to their team busting levels.However...you've reached the next stop in your road to failure by doing that.
http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phalanxassimilationqf7.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mutantsphalanxoc4.jpg

Mutant biology is HOSTILE to Phalanx. So you can't possibly use mutant powers to power up the transmoding process... likely you'll get killed in that.

By doing that you also can kiss goodbye to your sophisticated data banks- Phalanx only saves partial memory of assimilated mutants... as for cyborgs, well, you've seen what've happened to Bastion.
http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=limitedmemoriesot4.jpg

So... result=two of your units being killed in your very prep process- I'm talking about Techpocalypce (the most unspellable name ever, even Fangirl came up with better names for her amalgams) and Elixir.

That leaves what... Warlock with Cyclops' eyebeams? How "scary"...not the team buster in the slightest. Warlock alone has been exhausted and PWNed by psionic blasts by people on far lesser power levels that my team.

Elixir prep

Thing with Elixir (even with Beast's and Sinister's memory) exactly reproducing a particular DNA structure BY MEMORY ALONE, not by having exact samples is fairly ridiculous to say the least.

Let alone Beast and Sinister working with actual biological samples all the time, Elixir doesn't have enough memory capacity to reproduce the exact structure of DNA down to every gene in locus- he's no computer, nor he has perfect memory akin to Oracle or Taskmaster- he's your regular kid who forgets his girlfriend's birthday ocasionally.

The skillset of Beast and Sinister so far only told him of the differences of normal and abnormal genetic structure- that's how he was able to tweak with one's biological functions- removing cancer, correcting eyesight etc.
But then you want person with no photographic memory skills to be able to reproduce dozens of precice genetic sequences down to each gene OFF MEMORY, without actual samples to refer to, and expect him to have control and not screw himself out of his very own powers? Not likel, given he doesn't have photographic memory nor the tools to "input" the precise sequences in his brain- it's not like it was rewiring performed on his memory by telepath.

At least two of your amalgams are PWNed (and horribly) by your initial prep.

To convince me otherwise you'lll have to prove that Sinister EXACTLY REMEMBERS BY HEART the sequences of DNA of said mutants. Them being in his computer DB means nothing- it's not like Elixir has perfect memory and can "sort out" memories given to him... Having him replicate stuff Simister himself doesn't remember (it being in his database=\=proof for Elixir remembering them in full details).

And the last thing to PWN our team is Warlock with Cyclops' eyebeams, honestly. It only means that he can use his shapeshifting and energy blasts together, not make any sophisticated tech like nanoassemblers.
Homogenous cellular structure and advanced tech creation doesn't mix well, guys.

Summary- YOU ARE PWNED

Techpocalypse as planet buster

As for Smurph bravado when trying to escape Phalanxization failure - Hellion on unamped level had little trouble if any stopping Nimrod's best blasts.
Sonics on team where everyone is capable on moving WAY beyond speed of sound=LOL, most uneffective attack ever.

Just cause some close range stuff worked wonders on Juggernaut messing with his neural impulses...that doesn't mean it would be just as effective on person who can control her own brain chemistry as shown there.
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen201008ya3.jpg
Your dislocutor attack=failure.

Cyclops as planet buster=massive LOL. Hell, Julian when amped by Cable skillset is more fitting onto that role.
The Cyclops' best is "get off my lawn" blasts, and anyways, Ems' diamond form was withstanding Cyclops' visorless blasts and even redirecting it effortlessly.

How would you like your "planet busting" blast being redirected towards your own team?

On top of that, Nimrod is horribly immobile and NEVER used any combat teleportation.
His "teleport" is uncontrollable failsafe activated when his body receives damage beyond certain level (or PIS that saves him from being the villain for X-Men for more than one issue). We have edge over him in mobility...

As for "not shown upper limits=no limits at all", it's silly. AT MOST Bedlam's powers have afffected the area of a few square kilometres. Not to mention EMPs can be stopped by TK shields easily.

Charlotte DeBel
Post #8 (the previous one was 7th and not 6th as it labelled)

Mostly dealing with my own strategy.

The speed of telekinetic powers

Well, the speed Hellion can move objects (including himself) with his TK powers=Mach 60 at least.
The flight with TK works just like any other TK manipulation- as explained there.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/696/xman002large0910qy6.jpg
It's not like it separate power from anything else. Flying AND navigating on that speed= enough proof of ability to apply TK on those speeds.

Cable is not speedster in convinient sence of the word, neither is Julian- they can't run fast, they're not Flashes. However, the thing with psionic powers is that idea=execution without any gap caused by neural impulse having to reach certain organ in the body.
As Psylocke puts it:
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/996/speedofthoughtmh6.jpg

The relativity of the speed psi-powers operate on and physiology-based powers operate on allow telepaths have long psi-conferences in what takes less than second in physical world.
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen2032fs2.jpg

If you want other examples- that's why Flash is still having troubles with telepaths.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/17.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/18.jpg
As he explains that, the relative speed of psionic powers is always>highest speeds achievable in physical word. By removing any mediator from thought-action process TP powers work wonders.

Even if telepaths\telekinetics doesn't have physical superspeed (which isn't needed there).

Cable while operating on "human speed" (physically they ALL operate on human speed, but since psionic powers don't rely on feedback from body, the powers work instantly and IN FACT faster by default than those who need to send command to their body to activate their powers) was able to stop missles and other military fancy stuff in mid air casually.

Here's him (still "full power but pre-Godlike" incarnation, thus on power level we're using there) fighting and PWNing Lightmaster, who is a legitimate lightspeedster.

http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/5489/cd005165kj.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/1971/cd005175av.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/6201/cd005182jd.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/7871/cd005193ge.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/3526/cd005204sh.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9384/cd005213ix.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4867/cd005220wg.jpg

He wasn't outspeeded in the slightest there.

The supposed difference between "flight speed and fight speed" Smurph tries to create is meaningless there, as for telekinetics both are achieved by the same means. It's irrelevant whether you're moving himself on "Mach impossible" speeds or doing it to the other things- it's all done via the same means.



Blocking out psi-powers
I've shown the scans of TK blocking out Nimrod's energy output and quite frankly, I don't even need offensive TP to finish you off.
Proven- Nimrod can't block telekinesis, period. And Rachel isn't the best X-telepath skillwise, skillwise she always was far cry from Emma, Jean or Cable.
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4342/newxmen02505da9.jpg
The scan you're using as proof. The telepaths can't detect a sentinel, that says nothing about him BLOCKING OUT their powers. He blocks it... from detecting him.

In fact, with sophisticated TP user said method of protection leads to failure. Why?
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen200032pu6.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2781/xmen2035qf1.jpg

The only place on the battlefield with ZERO psi-signature would be the one where you guys are hiding. It's much like covering with a lead foil to cover from Superman's X-Ray vision- sometimes too good of shielding provides the way to detect you. Natural psi-signature of the place is always>zero, creating absolute zero signature= holding the sign "here we are"
Shielding blocking out environmental emission= fail.

Also, using Rachel Summers as measure of your psi-interference kinda... gets you into trouble. Emma was always better than Rachel when it comes to maneuring around sophisticated psi-blockers.

Rachel thinks that psi-blockers would cause trouble even to Xavier... yet Emma can safely observe what happens below.
http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm45309tz4.jpg
http://img470.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm45310ao8.jpg
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And Stark has also NEVER succeded in nullifiing Emma's powers on panel...curiously enough.

As I've posted, Nimrod has never neutralised a TK user on panel- he was able to "compensate" TK attacks destroying his body, that's all he did.

In summary- putting the 0,5 km wide area around us in telekinetic stasis and THEN destroy your weaponry and what's left of your team after your suicidal prep IS VALID and you can't do anything about it.

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Martian things

You called me on psi-blockers stuff, which was pretty ridiculous.
Let's repeat everything step-by-step.

Note that unlike whatever scan Smurph was referring to, the word "control" was never said in that scan.

ALL that it implies is Miss Martian "depowering herself" cause of her docile personality- nothing about the lack of training (quite the contrary, she was trained in the warrior ways but lacked the "guts" to use her power to its fullest).
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220084_11-12/

When those psi-blockers were removed, that led to the vast improval in performance.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220272_Teen_Titans_053-15/

Emma is no novice when it comes to the individuals subconsciously depowering themselves\stripping themselves off their powers.
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Now the "experience" part. Martian culture is adapted to receiving\assimilating info via telepathy.
Miss Martian has received the regular training of White Martians (who were the cosmic Spartans), so it's not like she needs vast details on how to perform the ABCs.

Oracle's memories of JLA encounters with White Martians and MM (Oracle was the JLA datakeeper in that times) is akin to watching highly detailed video of their performance, with the possibility to "stop" and "rewind" in any given moment.

She's already trained in ABCs\basic principles behind the stuff she sees, so that "recording" simply shows her more clever trick (being a Martian herself, she's well aware how those tricks are done in general, the"video" only helps to refine the details and see some clever shapes a Martian can assume etc).

Speed of information transfer

Let's start with basics- information assimilation.

Emma learns how to permanently copy skills or knowledge of other people:
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image08th3.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image09ne5.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image10vq4.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image11am8.jpg

Astrid Bloom, who was Emma's "sensei" in what comes to TP usage, being older and way more experienced, gets her lifetime experience and skillset assimilated in seconds:
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emmafrost1817rhs9.jpg

Instantly transferring certain skills to the others (Rachel Summers):
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520037ys1.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen4520039io4.jpg

"Rewiring" the memory to input\transfer certain skills\experience (also happens istantly).
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nxma37np7.jpg

The "rewired" person is as fluent in said skill (in that case language) as original user.
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen12219rd9.jpg

Said "rewiring"=textbook routine for Emma, nothing unfamiliar is happening there.
http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=astonishingxmen26zonemegh5.jpg

Charlotte DeBel
Magical skillset
I know there also might be some doubt on Faust being able to use powers of Magik II and Zachary Zatara due to having their experience. However, the only "superpower" they have as inborn one is the ability to do magic (which Faust also posesses).

The Winding Way and the semantic magic are only the TAUGHT ways of using magic common among certain families.

Faust has used a bit of semantic magic before WITHOUT copying or tapping into Zatanna's powers in any way (he says that damage inflicted on her soul prevents him from tapping in it), so it's not like he can't do that without proper experience.

Proof that Amanda's skills are learned and not inborn (and thus fall under experience category):
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage14yl5.jpg

The only "inborn" gift of Zatanna is the ability to do magic (which Faust of course has)
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=08os5.jpg

Semantic magic is something she mastered as her training continued (i.e. skills and not experience):
http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zatanna205kx5.jpg
http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=itworkedww0.png

Zachary is no different from his family in that aspect (semantic magic being the way of magic he received primary tutelage in).

That means that by having access to Amanda's and Zachary's experiences Faust has access to their way of casting spells.

That means advanced combat teleportation (as opposing to self-evacuating option when PWNed too hard which is the only way of teleportation your team has) and the option of transmuting the air around your team into promethium are perfectly avaliable to us.
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That pretty much covers all the doubtful points you may have about my team.

Your team, however, has screwen on Elixir and Phalanx things in your prep, and still didn't present the answer for that being not self-contradictory.
The "we win without prep" is your typical bluffing done out of desperation, cause Nimrod was pwned by things way less powerful than my team, the others as well.

You going apeshit with Phalanx and Elixir=you killing your own team in prep. Thank you for cooperation.

Seriously, good match. Best of luck to Smurph when it comes to his wrestling competition.

Original Smurph

Charlotte DeBel
Charlotte's post #10

I'm coming from down to upwards with my answer.

"Special biological EMP"=WTF? EMP is EMP, no matter how you cut it. Bedlam's powers are merely emitting the electromagnetic impulse scrambling either tech or brain.
Telekinesis provides ample protection from electromagnetic energy:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5025/newxmen1908kv3.jpg

We're operating on amped levels there, remember? Omnidirectional EMP would be stopped, cause it's still an electromagnetic energy. We also have Cable's experience to fall back on.
Manipulating one's brain potential telekinetically FTW, guys:


Unless you prove that Bedlam's EMP is NOT an electromagnetic energy but something else...consider Bedlam's power obsolete. And the shields are UP in the last seconds of prep, we enter the match shielded.
And if what he does isn't emitting omnidirectional\directed EMP pulse, but manipulating the electromagnetic charge in someone's brain...Cable's experience allows us to do that as well.
http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xman03803zk4.jpg

And you have all seen the speeds on which we can apply our TK (the flight for TK users is merely an application of TK to move himself rather than other object, NOT SEPARATE POWER and in fact you need to be MORE PRECISE to move himself than to move other stuff with TK).

Elixir


The last paragraph basically screams "proof" cause you know, pigs were hinted to fly on light speed and shooting pink beams out of their asses.
As for Steam Cell -where the f*ck you got it, again? I know that the Livewires project was indirectly supervised by SHIELD, but it's far cry from you actually having it in your memory banks. Cause actually STORING every single SHIELD-associated piece of data is FAAAR beyond Nimrod's and Black Box's shown data capacity.

Also we don't even know whether those files are downloadable online.

Also, Smurph, you talking about "illogical doubts" yet you want your precious Elixir to go WAY beyond his shown biggest feats aka removing evident genetic abnormalities (myopic eyesight, cancer). One thing is to remember how helathy DNA is supposed to like (a thing pretty generic for every single human, ilnesses are common to all) and another thing is precisely remembering genetic maps of a dozen of metas.

That's a reference of how complicated a thing a genetic map is:
http://www.ars.usda.gov/sp2UserFiles/person/6311/zhao1.gif

The feats he has done already have him basically remembering the generic structure of human DNA and which loci\sectors are responsible for what- I never questioned THAT.
Remembering DOZENS of genetic maps with precision down to every single nucleotide is way beyond his memory capacity (and in that light "telling him what to do" sounds pretty retarded).
And your last paragraph is invalid and basically a bunch of desperate hopes that somewhere somehow there's an answer.

Phalanx is incompatible with mutant DNA period, and Forge in the scan was WILLINGLY accepting assimilation, yet it failed on him. The only way for Elixir to "override" that, basically, is to strap every single one of his teammates from X-Gene (cause that's what causes incompatibility). I won't question his ability to do that (all his recent big feats suggest he can remove the abnormalities- it is what he was doing all the time), however here we come to logical paradox.

1. In order for you to have powers under even small degree of control (and have them not blowing your own team up) you NEED to "Phalanx" your team up (and even then you get the analogue of "watching highly detailed video" (worked with our team cause we didn't give anyone new powers, M'gann already knows ABCs of her own powers and is merely shown new ways to apply them) and it would be ZERO help to you cause you're giving yourselves totally foreign powers none in your team have experience with).
2. In order to "Phalanx up" you need to depower everyone of your team by removing their mutant powers (the ONLY way to remove incompatibility).

Results
With X-Gene: your team blows itself up
Without X-Gene: no Bedlam powers or any other energy source, a bunch of generic Phalax drones.

Third option is not given to you there- it's not possible to "have your cake and eat it".

Omega level mutant merely means "an unlimited potential for power development" (which may be not reached anywhere in given future) not unlimited power level or unlimited power capacity. That word has been thrown too loosely on board recently. "We have an omega mutant in our team so we win" logic doesn't fly there, especially since you don't have any proof of Elixir manipulating DNA on level WAY more precise that he even did even with Beast's experience.

The only thing he can do that is\was proven by his recent on panel feats is... depower your own team and himself to make them accessible for Phalanx.

Go for it thumb up

Believe me or not, Elixir's powers are finite:
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=axm3wq2.jpg

I've already shown you New Son's nasty habit to blow up his teammates (and he had way more that 5 minutes of experience with his own powers).

But you're attempting to "create" X-Man's powers as well. Not only he was sh*t-worthy with no experience (schooled by Emma in TP combat, schooled by Electro screwing up his powers)- but... see for yourself.

With quite a little experience dude was having problems with Domino, low meta to high street:
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/433/xman3pg08lowres3ds.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xman3pg09lowres3vk.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xman3pg10lowres8mx.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xman3pg11lowres7zx.jpg

And that's with MORE training that you can get in your...10 minutes (or even less). The powers of Jean and X-Man in hands of noob would be just that... the powers of Jean and X-Man in hands of noob.

They weren't exactly "kings of the hill" in their beginner days.

The Bastion thing:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9415/warlockmtech06p17am8.jpg

The scan clearly says "He didn't have the power to sustain the transformation". It says nothing about being big or small, he can't stand being fully transmoded PERIOD.

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You've given nothing but meaningless bravado and hope that title "omega level mutant" would drag you out of the corner where you got yourself.

Original Smurph
Ok, I'll counter her points as concisely as possible, before finishing with a couple posts of my own. Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Post #8 (the previous one was 7th and not 6th as it labelled)

Mostly dealing with my own strategy.

The speed of telekinetic powers

Well, the speed Hellion can move objects (including himself) with his TK powers=Mach 60 at least.
The flight with TK works just like any other TK manipulation- as explained there.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/696/xman002large0910qy6.jpg
It's not like it separate power from anything else. Flying AND navigating on that speed= enough proof of ability to apply TK on those speeds.

That doesn't make sense at all... all he does is propel himself at super speeds in a straight line, and eventually crash into the ground. Hardly navigating. That doesn't mean he can do anything finicky at all... he doesn't demonstrate any reflexes there whatsoever.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

Charlotte goes on to claim a whole lot of stuff, mostly that

a) Cable has lightspeed reactions... because Cable's firing something that travels instantaneously, and because he can use this force to manipulate objects, he clearly reacts at lightspeed.

I can shoot a bullet. I might even be able to hit a very specific target.

Can I think at bullet speeds then?

lol @ this whole bullshit rant.

Basically, if you believe that every TK user ever has lightspeed thinking and reactions, you believe her.

she also claims

b) speed of thought > speed of light (see her Flash scans)

So, she actually believes (apparently) that Cable thinks at speeds superior to C (the speed of light).

Anyways, lolz @ this entire scenario... no way can Hellion with Cable's skills react at Mach 60... it's really just Cable with a possibly bigger amount of TK... if you believe Charlotte's prep, that is.

If you believe that Cable can have his entire skillset, and all of his memories and abilities taken from him in minutes at most.

Emma Frost is good, but the belief that she can DL Cable's mind into hers at will is retarded.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel Here's him (still "full power but pre-Godlike" incarnation, thus on power level we're using there) fighting and PWNing Lightmaster, who is a legitimate lightspeedster.

http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/5489/cd005165kj.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/1971/cd005175av.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/6201/cd005182jd.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/7871/cd005193ge.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/3526/cd005204sh.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9384/cd005213ix.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4867/cd005220wg.jpg

He wasn't outspeeded in the slightest there.

laughing out loud

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crylaugh

Are you insane? Do you actually read your own scans, or believe that I lack the most basic reading comprehension?

Let me describe those scans to you... the parts that are relevant, anyways.

Cable meets someone who can turn into light.

This person tears Cable to shit... the only reason Cable survives is because he has Deadpool's healing factor... the "gift" that he references".

The speedster stops to talk and gloat. Cable then uses his base to teleport that person to the moon, and concedes that they'll be back in seconds.

Cable has a conversation, they come back, then he reveals that he has a master plan that involves lots of prep not at all related to this match.

Then you claim that he was perfectly capable of keeping up with the speedster.

Wow.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel The supposed difference between "flight speed and fight speed" Smurph tries to create is meaningless there, as for telekinetics both are achieved by the same means. It's irrelevant whether you're moving himself on "Mach impossible" speeds or doing it to the other things- it's all done via the same means.

Hellion can give himself a horizontal velocity of Mach 60 (let's say that estimate of yours is correct).

This doesn't mean he can react at Mach 60... only that he's powerful enough to propel himself at those speeds.

A fighter jet can travel super fast. That doesn't mean the pilot could navigate a maze in his jet at those speeds, nor does it mean he could react to an attack that quickly. But he does have the keys to a vehicle that can propel itself very fast.

Hellion has the "keys" to telekinesis that can propel things very fast.

Cable can do cool things relatively slowly.

Combining them (pretending that you'd be able to access anything inside Cable's mind) doesn't mean that he could react at the top speed that his telekinesis can propel things at.

Worst. Logic. Ever.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel Blocking out psi-powers
I've shown the scans of TK blocking out Nimrod's energy output and quite frankly, I don't even need offensive TP to finish you off.
Proven- Nimrod can't block telekinesis, period. And Rachel isn't the best X-telepath skillwise, skillwise she always was far cry from Emma, Jean or Cable.
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4342/newxmen02505da9.jpg
The scan you're using as proof. The telepaths can't detect a sentinel, that says nothing about him BLOCKING OUT their powers. He blocks it... from detecting him.

I'm sorry, where did you prove anything about Nimrod's ability to block TK?

Ignoring your baseless claims, Tony Stark and Reed Richards can both block telekinesis, and we have access to all of their technology, as we have their entire collection of memories relating to all things invention.

Nimrod can also counter any mutant power, and there's no reason he couldn't block telekinesis as easily as telepathy, nor have you proven that he couldn't.

The best that you did was post a scan of a robot that wasn't even Nimrod.

Oh, and FYI, this is the scan we're using as proof-

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1585/uxm194page18xs2.jpg

Nimrod doesn't block the TK there, because he hadn't deemed it necessary. If the fight hadn't ended as soon as Nimrod came out of the rubble unscathed, perhaps he would have blocked the TK. We don't know.


Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel In summary- putting the 0,5 km wide area around us in telekinetic stasis and THEN destroy your weaponry and what's left of your team after your suicidal prep IS VALID and you can't do anything about it.


Who's putting the 0.5 kilometer wide area around it in stasis?

Even if you had Cable's memories, you're giving them to someone who didn't have the control to lift a pencil, as you showed with your scans.

Cable at base was a lot better equipped, and Hellion's getting all this DL'd into him at super speeds- when the fight starts, he'll still be recovering from the blow to his head, and wouldn't be able to sort out any of his memories well enough to do anything with his powers, much less something as complex as telekinetic stasis.

And when has Cable EVER put anything in TK stasis? That was Nate Grey in your scans.

And, remember, there's no way Charlotte's team could even acquire enough of Cable's memories to do anything with them in the first place. She only has a couple minutes.

Original Smurph

Charlotte DeBel

Charlotte DeBel
Scans\links only post

Here's basically the links to validate mindsynches Oracle and my previous team mages had in prep (either via hivemind or by outright amalgamation).

Magik II (hivemind):
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t494347.html
Zachary Zatara (amalgam):
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t495377.html

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