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Nothing exotic(blasts, telepathy, intangibility, flight, etc.), just basic physical powers(strength w/amping, speed, personal healing, etc.) only. Also, Iron Man's armor is the only gear allowed.

1. Grey Hulk
2. Abomination
3. Iron Man(current)
4. Donna Troy
5. Power Girl
6. Wonder Man
7. Superboy(Conner)
8. Lunatik
9. Wonder Woman

Gauntlet goes down in an arena and there's a 5 second delay between one foe getting KO'd and the next entering the ring. And yes, I know the order might seem messed up to some but I tried to rank them by effectiveness in this type of fight rather than by overall Power Level.

How far does he get.

I think if he makes it past Donna Troy he gets stopped by Diana.

Tempted to say he stops at 6 or 7.

He gets to 9

Surfer has never displayed combat speed
He hasn't self healed... Healed others sure...

Heck I'd say without his powerset he doesn't get past 1

Surfer has no hand to hand skills. He was a pacifist from a planet of pacifist
Every time he ends up in a brawl with someone in his weight class he tends to to down

If someone like hulk or Thor can hurt thanos a
Master fighter surfer loses
Early

Originally posted by rotiart
Surfer has never displayed combat speed
He hasn't self healed... Healed others sure...

Heck I'd say without his powerset he doesn't get past 1
Originally posted by rotiart
Surfer has no hand to hand skills. He was a pacifist from a planet of pacifist
Every time he ends up in a brawl with someone in his weight class he tends to to down

If someone like hulk or Thor can hurt thanos a
Master fighter surfer loses
Early
Huh?

without his blasts or flight, he doesn't make it very far

Originally posted by Starscream M
without his blasts or flight, he doesn't make it very far
How far do you think?

Originally posted by rotiart
Surfer has no hand to hand skills. He was a pacifist from a planet of pacifist
Every time he ends up in a brawl with someone in his weight class he tends to to down

Read Planet Hulk.

Hulk wins

What pure h2h feats Surfer has other than besting The Thing and Gladiator Hulk?

Originally posted by darthgoober
How far do you think? 4 or 5 would be my guess

Don't remember hand to hand with any if those 3

I do remember she hulk just about breaking her hand punching surfer though...

I said "Gladiator-Hulk". You know, from Planet Hulk series. Surfer did pretty good against him and Warbound...

Can't IM just fly around and dispatch him from a distance? I mean it might take all the juice in IM suit and then some but yeah what is SS gonna do if he can't shoot back or fly. I guess he can jump up and try and grab IM or toss stuff at him. But thats not something I seen SS do much for he never had a reason to.

darthgoober, is Surfer bloodlusted or is he fighting in character?

Atomic strength for the win http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/biscuits.gif

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Huh?

QFT.

Surfer is still too durable for most of these guys and he can amp it even more

Originally posted by rotiart
Surfer has never displayed combat speed

Yes he has...

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Originally posted by rotiart
He hasn't self healed... Healed others sure...
Yes he has...

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Originally posted by rotiart
Heck I'd say without his powerset he doesn't get past 1
Seriously?

Originally posted by rotiart
Surfer has no hand to hand skills. He was a pacifist from a planet of pacifist
Every time he ends up in a brawl with someone in his weight class he tends to to down
Are you kidding...




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Originally posted by rotiart
If someone like hulk or Thor can hurt thanos a
Master fighter surfer loses
Early
What?

Originally posted by Starscream M
4 or 5 would be my guess
Any particular reason why?

Originally posted by Starscream M
darthgoober, is Surfer bloodlusted or is he fighting in character?
Both. Assume he's fighting with his current attitude(like he was against Nova). He's not looking to kill, but if that's what it takes...

Originally posted by Red Hulk
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And don't forget about Surfer sending him flying through a couple of miles of forest with a casual backhand...

Originally posted by rotiart
Surfer has no hand to hand skills. He was a pacifist from a planet of pacifist
Every time he ends up in a brawl with someone in his weight class he tends to to down

If someone like hulk or Thor can hurt thanos a
Master fighter surfer loses
Early

Originally posted by darthgoober
Any particular reason why?

I think he'll take out grey hulk without too much trouble. then he takes out abom but this time he'll take a beating himself. With 5 seconds in between matches, I don't see him healing himself. IM is versatile enough to abuse Surfer's lack of flight...so I'm not quite sure how Surfer wins this. And if he gets past IM, he'll be weakened enough that either Donna Troy or Power Girl will finish him off.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And don't forget about Surfer sending him flying through a couple of miles of forest with a casual backhand...
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Does better without board...
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Originally posted by Starscream M
I think he'll take out grey hulk without too much trouble.
Cool...

Originally posted by Starscream M
then he takes out abom but this time he'll take a beating himself.

What makes you think he'll take a beating...
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Originally posted by Starscream M
With 5 seconds in between matches, I don't see him healing himself.
Why? I'm not saying that he'd necessarily restore himself after each match(though I really don't see why he wouldn't) but Surfer's healing is pretty quick...

Originally posted by Starscream M
IM is versatile enough to abuse Surfer's lack of flight...so I'm not quite sure how Surfer wins this.
No one's really versatile in this match. Iron Man's limited to the same rules as everyone else with the exception that he's allowed his gear. That doesn't mean that he can fly around blasting.

Originally posted by Starscream M
And if he gets past IM, he'll be weakened enough that either Donna Troy or Power Girl will finish him off.
How weakened do you think he's going to be? And what makes you think Babs or Donna have what it takes to put Surfer down?

oh I didn't realize everyone was handicapped by the same rules

My opinion was based on the belief that only Surfer was handicapped

I'll have to reformulate

wow. Okay man are those secret defender issues.

Okay well I concede self healing and fighting ability but I don't concede combat speed

Those scans show flight speed more so than co
Bat
Except for the possibility of the hull scan... But cap has dodged hulk too... So I don't see that as a
Million flying costs combat speed feat like flash or superman

In any case very nicely done

"Wow" from me, too. Surfer has so much potential...

Originally posted by rotiart
So I don't see that as a
Million flying costs combat speed feat like flash or superman
So what is combat speed for a guy who does not punch?(which are primary attacks for Flash and Superman btw)

Id think he has alot more than just potential. I mean he is probably the premier high top tier in comics.

Originally posted by kgkg
So what is combat speed for a guys who does not punch?(which are primary attacks for Flash and Superman btw)

QFT. There is a big difference between combat speed and hand to hand speed.

Originally posted by rotiart
wow. Okay man are those secret defender issues.
Nah, they're from the Silver Surfer Annual #5 if you're talking about the scans that also feature Hulk, Namor, and Dr. Strange.

Originally posted by rotiart
Okay well I concede self healing and fighting ability but I don't concede combat speed
Well let's talk about it...

Originally posted by rotiart
Those scans show flight speed more so than coBat
Except for the possibility of the hull scan... But cap has dodged hulk too... So I don't see that as a
Million flying costs combat speed feat like flash or superman
I disagree.

In the scan with the ships, he uses multiple energy blasts against multiple targets while dodging multiple incoming blasts and moving in a non strait line manner in a single panel. That's a blitz in pretty much every respect. It's an unquantified blitz sure, but a blitz nonetheless.

In the scan against Deathurge, he dodged an attack and then circled his opponent at high speeds just as guys like Quicksilver and Flash are prone to do.

In the scan with Nova, he grabs him by the throat and throws him with such speed/force that Nova was questioning whether or not he got tagged by an energy blast. While the "grab and throw" isn't an extended attack combination, being able to do it that effectively on someone with Nova's level of Super Speed/Reflexes shows that your "hand speed" is far above the norm.

Originally posted by rotiart
In any case very nicely done
Thanks. Change your opinion any?

Gets to 7 and stops

Goober:Those are not direct H2H confrontations nor a indication of h2h speed, with that said he is stopped by Diana.

Stops at 9, and although he would be able to see what see was doing she outclasses him with her superior H2H skills.

She outlasses him in h2h speed,MA talent...he woudln't land a single hit.

every time Galen posts I see his sig and stop speechless.

That said I think Connor superbou especially since he was essentially superman prior to his death... Would get to surfer

Originally posted by rotiart
every time Galen posts I see his sig and stop speechless.

That said I think Connor superbou especially since he was essentially superman prior to his death... Would get to surfer Are you serious?

Read Teen Titans.

He is not close to Supes in power, at all.

I meant powerset wise... As in he wasn't just a telekinetic anymore
And is Connor alive again? I thought he stayed dead after the sbp issues

And surfer is gonna be weakened after 6 other fights...

Yes he's still dead, I meant read Teen Titans issue where he was still alive.

He has Superman-esque powers, but he is a lot weaker, even after 6 fights he is not beating SS.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nothing exotic...just basic physical powers(strength w/amping, speed, personal healing, etc.) only.

1. Grey Hulk
2. Abomination
3. Iron Man(current)
4. Donna Troy
5. Power Girl
6. Wonder Man
7. Superboy(Conner)
8. Lunatik
9. Wonder Woman

Sticking strictly to what you've posted, I see 2 outcomes.

1. He gets through all of them. Hulk has never been a problem; Abomination was owned: this means the lesser strengthers get taken down. With continued "reasonable" strength amping, he gets to Diana, who is able to stalemate him because SS's too invulnerable for her to seriously damage, yet she's too skilled for him to land a KO blow...

...until he's strength-amped to the point he can. By that time, he will have learned (by experience) how Diana fights and be able to eventually land a KO blow with insanely amped strength.

2. Diana stops Norrin with her tiara cutting his throat before he gets too strong. Technically, SS should be able to amp any physical ability (like speed or healing), but since that wasn't specifically indicated, the tiara bit works.

Originally posted by Mindship
Sticking strictly to what you've posted, I see 2 outcomes.

1. He gets through all of them. Hulk has never been a problem; Abomination was owned: this means the lesser strengthers get taken down. With continued "reasonable" strength amping, he gets to Diana, who is able to stalemate him because SS's too invulnerable for her to seriously damage, yet she's too skilled for him to land a KO blow...

...until he's strength-amped to the point he can. By that time, he will have learned (by experience) how Diana fights and be able to eventually land a KO blow with insanely amped strength.

2. Diana stops Norrin with her tiara cutting his throat before he gets too strong. Technically, SS should be able to amp any physical ability (like speed or healing), but since that wasn't specifically indicated, the tiara bit works.
In regards to #2, WW doesn't get any of her gear.

I'd say he takes everyone but number 8

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
I'd say he takes everyone but number 8
He was giving Lunatik a tough H2H fight when they locked horns...

Originally posted by darthgoober
In regards to #2, WW doesn't get any of her gear.

I can understand not giving her the lasso, but you should give her the bracers. They are what make up part of her invulnerability, both actively and passively.

Anyway, I think he gets to 9.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He was giving Lunatik a tough H2H fight when they locked horns...

this is true. But I still wont give it to SS unless he is like enraged or really serious.

He punched Lunatic to a planet's North Pole in one hit...

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
He punched Lunatic to a planet's North Pole in one hit... most CL100s could do that

Originally posted by Starscream M
most CL100s could do that Evidently not.

Originally posted by Mindship
Sticking strictly to what you've posted, I see 2 outcomes.

1. He gets through all of them. Hulk has never been a problem; Abomination was owned: this means the lesser strengthers get taken down. With continued "reasonable" strength amping, he gets to Diana, who is able to stalemate him because SS's too invulnerable for her to seriously damage, yet she's too skilled for him to land a KO blow...

...until he's strength-amped to the point he can. By that time, he will have learned (by experience) how Diana fights and be able to eventually land a KO blow with insanely amped strength.

2. Diana stops Norrin with her tiara cutting his throat before he gets too strong. Technically, SS should be able to amp any physical ability (like speed or healing), but since that wasn't specifically indicated, the tiara bit works.

Originally posted by Mindship
Sticking strictly to what you've posted, I see 2 outcomes.

1. He gets through all of them. Hulk has never been a problem; Abomination was owned: this means the lesser strengthers get taken down. With continued "reasonable" strength amping, he gets to Diana, who is able to stalemate him because SS's too invulnerable for her to seriously damage, yet she's too skilled for him to land a KO blow...

...until he's strength-amped to the point he can. By that time, he will have learned (by experience) how Diana fights and be able to eventually land a KO blow with insanely amped strength.

2. Diana stops Norrin with her tiara cutting his throat before he gets too strong. Technically, SS should be able to amp any physical ability (like speed or healing), but since that wasn't specifically indicated, the tiara bit works.

Woops srry double post, anyhow the issue with this theory is that WW has vastly superior h2h speed then SS...especially just at his base. Asssuming his amping powers would work, the time it would take to achieve any considerable boast in power would be long...and in that time Diana could easily overcome him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
In regards to #2, WW doesn't get any of her gear.

She wouldn't need it to KO him IMO.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
She wouldn't need it to KO him IMO.

Diana's not Thanos.

I dbt the Tiara would do anything Surfer.

SS at his base levels doesn't strike me as being physically more powerful then SS, in addition to her tremendous MA advantage and speed...what would he do to her. It's very likly he wouldn't even land a single hit on her, while all she needs is to sink in the armbar FTW.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
SS at his base levels doesn't strike me as being physically more powerful then SS Surprisingly, this is the most sense I've ever seen you make.

The only Advantage WW gets it's MA

Speed , Reaction etc all goes to surfer.

IF punch from She-Hulk can't even phase him ,Savage hulk can't K.o while surfer is not even fighting. Plus able to channel all his energy to healing he clears it.

He clears it. epically if Diana is not getting her tools.

Originally posted by kgkg
The only Advantage WW gets it's MA

Speed , Reaction etc all goes to surfer.

IF punch from She-Hulk can't even phase him ,Savage hulk can't K.o while surfer is not even fighting. Plus able to channel all his energy to healing he clears it.

He clears it. epically if Diana is not getting her tools.

How is he faster, Diana has actual h2h superspeed and her striking power is enough to KO top tiers. She onced fought past a group of amazons all at superspeed(after images and all)while SS has never displayed superspeed in combat let alone h2h....he doesn't have a prayer in a h2h fight agaisnt WW.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Surprisingly, this is the most sense I've ever seen you make.



Surprisingly, you're trolling hasn't became any less annoying.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
How is he faster, Diana has actual h2h superspeed and her striking power is enough to KO top tiers. She onced fought past a group of amazons all at superspeed(after images and all)while SS has never displayed superspeed in combat let alone h2h....he doesn't have a prayer in a h2h fight agaisnt WW.
He does not need to display h2h speed. He has moved his hand in Nano-seconds thats all he needs.

and diana does not have what it takes K.o surfer with her hands. Especially considering a angry hulk could not.

Originally posted by kgkg
He does not need to display h2h speed. He has moved his hand in Nano-seconds thats all he needs.

and diana does not have what it takes K.o surfer with her hands. Especially considering a angry hulk could not.

.....moving his hands in nano-seconds doesn't mean shit dude. She has actually displayed h2h superspeed in regards to mobility,intiation and reflex. Her h2h speed is similar to flash/QS/Supes if anything, SS has not displayed anything past brick level in regards to h2h...he can't touch her.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
.....moving his hands in nano-seconds doesn't mean shit dude. She has actually displayed h2h superspeed in regards to mobility,intiation and reflex. Her h2h speed is similar to flash/QS/Supes if anything, SS has not displayed anything past brick level in regards to h2h...he can't touch her. He does not have h2h because he is not a h2h fighter Whats so hard to understand

If I can move my hand faster than WW , and think faster than Her I can catch her or at least block her

just because he does not need to punch does not mean he can't move and react.

Originally posted by kgkg
He does not have h2h because he is not a h2h fighter Whats so hard to understand

If I can move my hand faster than WW , and think faster than Her I can catch her or at least block her

just because he does not need to punch does not mean he can't move and react.

SS is not a trained MA like Diana, it isn't his specialty so yes...obviously he woudln't have a wealth of feats portraying this. Thinking faster then someone and"moving hands"faster it a poor line of reasoning to determine combat ability let alone h2h speed. Simply put, she is a highly skilled MA who can move/strike and react at superspeed while SS is at best a novice MA that fights like a brick.

H2H superspeed is a aquired skill, if you ever see how flash/QS or supes fights you will know what im reffering to. SS hasn't displayed this on any level aside from intiated blast at high speed while on his board...in regards to close combat or just fightes in general he doesnt ultalize speed tot he same effect the characters I listed do.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
SS is not a trained MA like Diana, it isn't his specialty so yes...obviously he woudln't have a wealth of feats portraying this. Thinking faster then someone and"moving hands"faster it a poor line of reasoning to determine combat ability let alone h2h speed. Simply put, she is a highly skilled MA who can move/strike and react at superspeed while SS is at best a novice MA that fights like a brick. Ok lets make this easy.

true Surfer is not trained MA fighter.

but he "CAN" react in nanoseconds

which is one billionth of a second so he is reacting this quick to WW no matter how unskilled Surfer is he can still see every punch every movement if he wanted to.

Does WW have and combat speed faster than one billionth of a second?

If you can find any scan of WW combat speed faster than that than you have a point.

But like I said skill does not matter when have much faster reaction time

Originally posted by The Great Galen
H2H superspeed is a aquired skill, if you ever see how flash/QS or supes fights you will know what im reffering to.

Superman really shouldn't be in that category. The vast, vast, vast majority of the time we see him utilizing his speed, he's fighting an enormously bulky and slow brick. Most of the time, he fights in brick speed. Just like others.

Originally posted by kgkg
Ok lets make this easy.

true Surfer is not trained MA fighter.

but he "CAN" react in nanoseconds

which is one billionth of a second so he is reacting this quick to WW no matter how unskilled Surfer is he can still see every punch every movement if he wanted to.

Does WW have and combat speed faster than one billionth of a second?

If you can find any scan of WW combat speed faster than that than you have a point.

But like I said skill does not matter when have much faster reaction time

Once again, in the context of a battle or h2h confrontation has SS ever displayed this. Travelling reflex/flight speed or whatever is not interchangable with h2h skill, the basis for ur agument has no merit because SS doesn't fight at the speeds or reacts the speed mentioned. Simply put, his battle or h2h showings don't support ur argument.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Superman really shouldn't be in that category. The vast, vast, vast majority of the time we see him utilizing his speed, he's fighting an enormously bulky and slow brick. Most of the time, he fights in brick speed. Just like others.

A lot of characters don't fight the way they would on a KMC fight, this isn't a comic book however. Supes already has more then enough combat showings so support his placment in that group, someone like SS or Thor would be different situation since they always fight like bricks.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Once again, in the context of a battle or h2h confrontation has SS ever displayed this. Travelling reflex/flight speed or whatever is not interchangable with h2h skill, the basis for ur agument has no merit because SS doesn't fight at the speeds or reacts the speed mentioned. Simply put, his battle or h2h showings don't support ur argument. Why does a feat need to be in a context of battle to have merit?

You don't need skill to block when you can see your opponent in "Slow Mo"

If he is reacting at nano seconds no matter if it's battle , or jerkin off. It implies he can think at one billionth of a second!

In other Words he see the world in slow mo.

HOW DOES H2H skill matter if the opponent does not have the speed to go beyond what the person can react????????????????

Example: If you can say battle at speed of sound and you fighting an opponent who can react in light years and has no H2H skill.

you won't be able to HIT that opponent because he see you in "SLOW MO"


unless off course you can show WW combat speed at level but even than she does not have the strength to K.o Surfer without her gear

Originally posted by kgkg
Why does a feat need to be in a context of battle to have merit?

You don't need skill to block when you can see your opponent in "Slow Mo"

If he is reacting at nano seconds no matter if it's battle , or jerkin off. It implies he can think at one billionth of a second!

In other Words he see the world in slow mo.

HOW DOES H2H skill matter if the opponent does not have the speed to go beyond what the person can react????????????????

Example: If you can say battle at speed of sound and you fighting an opponent who can react in light years and has no H2H skill.

you won't be able to HIT that opponent because he see you in "SLOW MO"


unless off course you can show WW combat speed at level but even than she does not have the strength to K.o Surfer without her gear

You're speculating, he doesn't have actual ON-PANEL feats displaying anything u suggested. Ur arguing powersets but obviously overlooking feats, shes has h2h superspeed...he doesn't. Dancing around that fact isn't gonna change it, so unless some scan of him fighting at superspeed manifest you're arugment remains basless.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
You're speculating, he doesn't have actual ON-PANEL feats displaying anything u suggested. Ur arguing powersets but obviously overlooking feats, shes has h2h superspeed...he doesn't. Dancing around that fact isn't gonna change it, so unless some scan of him fighting at superspeed manifest you're arugment remains basless. What am i Speculating that he can react in Nano-Second? I never claimed he had H2H skill

and you don't need H2H skill if your opponent hasn't shown anything like that before. Unless you can show otherwise

like my example above shows if I can react in nanosecond I can be the most unskilled bastard out there and you get the best MA fighter to fight me ......... It's no good because I see see them in "SLOW MO"

and like i said Surfer is still way to DURABLE HER DIANA to K.O without her tools unless you can show otherwise.

and for you last point move me that you need fighting at super speed to see people in "SLOW MO"


so "SLOW MO" effect FTW than

Clears it. He can amp himself beyond any of the combatants.

Originally posted by kgkg
What am i Speculating that he can react in Nano-Second? I never claimed he had H2H skill

and you don't need H2H skill if your opponent hasn't shown anything like that before. Unless you can show otherwise

like my example above shows if I can react in nanosecond I can be the most unskilled bastard out there and you get the best MA fighter to fight me ......... It's no good because I see see them in "SLOW MO"

and like i said Surfer is still way to DURABLE HER DIANA to K.O without her tools unless you can show otherwise.

and for you last point move me that you need fighting at super speed to see people in "SLOW MO"


so "SLOW MO" effect FTW than
.......so many things wrong with that I wouldn"t know where to start.

lets compare say... reaction time.

i compare surfer to ... a fighter pilot..
yes the plane (board) goes fast... yes he has amazing reaction time... yes... he can attack/bombard dozens of targets in an amazingly short amount of time...

but if you take that person out of their plane (off their board) how would they do in a fight say... ufc mma, when their reaction times are of a different nature.

lets say counterstrike the videogame.. .you could have some of the best twitch players out there... do crazy ass hand eye cordination feats... but put an actual military person in front of a computer.. and he'd be clueless.

he may be able to heal... he may have some small ability to defend himself.. or strike back... but as far as combat speed. thats a different nature.

whenever surfer moves quickly... he's on his board. and in the issue where he's dodging the hulk.. thats more like a hyperbole or euphemism...

and as far as how they fight... aren't we still within forum rules?

surfer is one of the fastest people in the universe... while he's on his board...

but i've never seen his reaction time faster than a regular human on land...

and as for the surfer vs thanos fight... that was all in the mind.. you can think however you want about how you'd fight in a dream, video game, etc... but in actual combat.. you'd do different. like xavier in astral plane is a force to be reckoned with... but on earth .. in a real hand to hand... he'd be as useful as a guy in a wheelchair...

Originally posted by The Great Galen
.......so many things wrong with that I wouldn"t know where to start. Nothing that's what i thought

Any other concerns? Regarding the fight I will be glad to help you there.

Originally posted by rotiart
lets compare say... reaction time.

i compare surfer to ... a fighter pilot..
yes the plane (board) goes fast... yes he has amazing reaction time... yes... he can attack/bombard dozens of targets in an amazingly short amount of time...

but if you take that person out of their plane (off their board) how would they do in a fight say... ufc mma, when their reaction times are of a different nature.

lets say counterstrike the videogame.. .you could have some of the best twitch players out there... do crazy ass hand eye cordination feats... but put an actual military person in front of a computer.. and he'd be clueless.

he may be able to heal... he may have some small ability to defend himself.. or strike back... but as far as combat speed. thats a different nature.

whenever surfer moves quickly... he's on his board. and in the issue where he's dodging the hulk.. thats more like a hyperbole or euphemism...

and as far as how they fight... aren't we still within forum rules?

surfer is one of the fastest people in the universe... while he's on his board...

but i've never seen his reaction time faster than a regular human on land...

and as for the surfer vs thanos fight... that was all in the mind.. you can think however you want about how you'd fight in a dream, video game, etc... but in actual combat.. you'd do different. like xavier in astral plane is a force to be reckoned with... but on earth .. in a real hand to hand... he'd be as useful as a guy in a wheelchair...

Good stuff, combat speed is a different specialty then navigation...it would be like suggest a pilot or nascar driver can move and fight better then UFC champ or react better then a boxing champ.

Originally posted by kgkg
Nothing that's what i thought

Any other concerns? Regarding the fight I will be glad to help you there.

Umm again, navigattion reflex has nothing to do with combat. Show some scans of SS fighting at supspeed as opposed to wonky ABC line of reasoning then we can talk.

Originally posted by rotiart
but i've never seen his reaction time faster than a regular human on land...
Without his board enjoy

Nanosecond reaction time

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg

if it was the narrator rather than surfer, i'd agree.
otherwise, i'd have to say its hyperbole. because the thought process of thinking out that thought is gonna be longer than a nanosecond. :/

i thought it was generally agreed on here we went by the narrator and not the character.

Originally posted by rotiart
if it was the narrator rather than surfer, i'd agree.
otherwise, i'd have to say its hyperbole. because the thought process of thinking out that thought is gonna be longer than a nanosecond. :/

i thought it was generally agreed on here we went by the narrator and not the character. Even narration can be dismissed as hyperbole. I mean we can question any fact as hyperbole really.

but if it's narration you want here it is

With his board his COMBAT( for those retards that think it is equivalent to h2h) speed is >>>>hers but without it in a straight H2H confrontation i think she has the advantage. However SS is the most durable top tier and Koing him will be nigh impossibe for her and it will be even worse if he is amping his durability.

Originally posted by kgkg
Nanosecond reaction time

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg
I worked this out once: this comes out to about 6x lightspeed. And if he can move this fast here, then yes, he has it in h2h combat.

The difference is skill level: SS may be as fast, if not potentially faster than Diana (let's assume equivalence for the moment) but he doesn't have her moves, her trained responses and counterresponses.

Still, if she doesn't get her gear, SS eventually wins.

Lulz at Surfer being multipled times lightspeed when all he has in his goddamn 40+ years career are a few ambigous speed feats (many of them while flying or have been fulfilled by people with reaction time far belove lightspeed) and hyperboles.

This is so idiotic it's become funny.

.... Okay... so...

would anyone say Deathstroke fights at the speed of light? he fights at 90% brain efficiency... k... greater fighting skill... very good reaction time..

at the request of dr. light.. deathstroke tagged flash. The flash.

ww is more up to ss's lvl, and she has proven great fighting skills...
she tags surfer..

btw. surfer is my #1 favorite character.. and i don't think he wins this. not with this many people, not with only 5 minutes inbetween, and not handicapped so he loses his board.. no blasts.. transmutations.. precog.. etc.

Clears it.

Originally posted by rotiart
.... Okay... so...

would anyone say Deathstroke fights at the speed of light? he fights at 90% brain efficiency... k... greater fighting skill... very good reaction time..

at the request of dr. light.. deathstroke tagged flash. The flash.

ww is more up to ss's lvl, and she has proven great fighting skills...
she tags surfer..

btw. surfer is my #1 favorite character.. and i don't think he wins this. not with this many people, not with only 5 minutes inbetween, and not handicapped so he loses his board.. no blasts.. transmutations.. precog.. etc.

SS has flight speed, he intiates blast at high speed like how a pilot can initiate missles on his plane. There has never been a indication of SS ever displaying h2h speed to the degree of somone like Flash,QS,Supes and yes even WW. H2H superspeed and flight speed are not the samethings here whatsoever.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
SS has flight speed, he intiates blast at high speed like how a pilot can initiate missles on his plane. except Pilots can't think and act in Nano seconds

Originally posted by The Great Galen
SS has flight speed, he intiates blast at high speed like how a pilot can initiate missles on his plane. There has never been a indication of SS ever displaying h2h speed to the degree of somone like Flash,QS,Supes and yes even WW. H2H superspeed and flight speed are not the samethings here whatsoever.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_CDP26_18-19_120306_0017.jpg

So, does Deadpool have the same H2H speed as Wonder Woman? Batman, Daredevil, Captain America, and even Deathstroke have all had depictions just like this.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
With his board his COMBAT( for those retards that think it is equivalent to h2h) speed is >>>>hers but without it in a straight H2H confrontation i think she has the advantage. However SS is the most durable top tier and Koing him will be nigh impossibe for her and it will be even worse if he is amping his durability.

This seems very plausible. You know a lot more about Surfer than I do. When he amps himself is the process instantaneous? Can he do so while engaged in a fight? I ask only because of the 5 second interval between fights. Some of the people on this list might be able to give him a pretty tough time and I wonder if he'll need those 5 seconds to heal himself up. I think the wear of the previous 8 battles weighs against him and makes taking Diana down a bit tougher. Again, I'll defer to you on this but that was my initial thinking. If he has the time to amp both his strength and durability, then he takes it. If not, I give it to WW partly because of the fight she would give him, but also because of the fatigue he'd have to feel from the previous fights.

lol @ SS initiating blasts like a pilot initiates missles on his plane. a pilot is within a craft pressing buttons to fire the missles. They dont come directly from him and the direction of the missles are not directly dependent on his body movements. It just retarded to compare them.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
This seems very plausible. You know a lot more about Surfer than I do. When he amps himself is the process instantaneous? Can he do so while engaged in a fight? I ask only because of the 5 second interval between fights. Some of the people on this list might be able to give him a pretty tough time and I wonder if he'll need those 5 seconds to heal himself up. I think the wear of the previous 8 battles weighs against him and makes taking Diana down a bit tougher. Again, I'll defer to you on this but that was my initial thinking. If he has the time to amp both his strength and durability, then he takes it. If not, I give it to WW partly because of the fight she would give him, but also because of the fatigue he'd have to feel from the previous fights.

Well the process isnt instantaneous but he can do it pretty quickly and he can do it while fighting as well. But i do get what ur saying. I think that if surfer decides to get serious early and not pull his punches then he can probably go through a lot of them without to much trouble. Heck Lunatik is the person just before wonderwoman and surfer punched him across a planet when he got angry. And wonderman who is just two steps before lunatik was unable to ko a surfer even when surfer was holding back and virtually allowing himself to get beaten. When he got pissed however, he recovered nearly instantly and almost killed wonderman (uninentionally of course) and ended up having to heal him. So i think that surfer against wonderwoman would most likely depend on his mindset from the previous fights. If he decides early on to get serious with some of those guys then he will go into the wondy fight with the right mentality he will be in good shape and that will make koing him extremely hard. However if he goes easy in the first few fights, hed probaby have the same mentality in the wonderwoman fight(which would make him more liable to get hit), and have sustained uneccessary injuries. Even with that, his ability to amp and heal quickly might still help him out but wonderwoman would have the advantage.

he gets to wonderman, and is stopped

Originally posted by cmack
he gets to wonderman, and is stopped lulz

Originally posted by The Great Galen
SS has flight speed, he intiates blast at high speed like how a pilot can initiate missles on his plane. There has never been a indication of SS ever displaying h2h speed to the degree of somone like Flash,QS,Supes and yes even WW. H2H superspeed and flight speed are not the samethings here whatsoever.
A pilot locks on to a target with a computer and presses a button. That's quite a bit different than what Surfer doing here...

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg

And unlike a human pilot, Surfer's actually able to perceive all the things whizzing past him...

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3006/silversurfer199612206jx3.th.jpg

Originally posted by rotiart
and as for the surfer vs thanos fight... that was all in the mind.. you can think however you want about how you'd fight in a dream, video game, etc... but in actual combat.. you'd do different. like xavier in astral plane is a force to be reckoned with... but on earth .. in a real hand to hand... he'd be as useful as a guy in a wheelchair...
It wasn't in their minds, their spiritual essences were transported to another plane so they could do combat without their powers. Being transported to another plane doesn't give you knowledge of fighting techniques that you don't already know.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It wasn't in their minds, their spiritual essences were transported to another plane so they could do combat without their powers. Being transported to another plane doesn't give you knowledge of fighting techniques that you don't already know.

What is the astral plane then if not another plane where your essence mind soul does meet and battle beings like the shadow king... Without your normal powers...

Originally posted by rotiart
What is the astral plane then if not another plane where your essence mind soul does meet and battle beings like the shadow king... Without your normal powers...
It still wasn't "in their minds". They didn't have any powers and could alter their environment or the rules of the realm, so that's far different than a psychic who's mental abilities allow him to do things that he otherwise couldn't. We could ASSUME that Dr. Strange implanted melee skills into their minds just for the sake of the battle but it would be just that, an assumption.

Besides, can you think of anyone who's shown good melee skills on something like the Astral Plane that didn't already have some? I know you're likely to site Xavier but you have to remember that not being able to walk and not knowing how to fight are two entirely different things. I'm willing to bet that if I poked around enough, I could find some instances of Xavier displaying some fighting skills outside of the Astral Plane as well.

Xavier was in the Army.

Originally posted by darthgoober
A pilot locks on to a target with a computer and presses a button. That's quite a bit different than what Surfer doing here...

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg

And unlike a human pilot, Surfer's actually able to perceive all the things whizzing past him...

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3006/silversurfer199612206jx3.th.jpg

Actually that is more like a guy using a jet pack and firing from a handgun, not exactly a good example of combat speed...and especially h2h speed.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Actually that is more like a guy using a jet pack and firing from a handgun, not exactly a good example of combat speed...and especially h2h speed.
Proof of a "normal" guy with a jet pack and a gun being capable of the same type of feat?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Proof of a "normal" guy with a jet pack and a gun being capable of the same type of feat?

Well isn't kind of like Ironman a bit, IM has similar feats and once again...its not a h2h feat nor combat speed.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well isn't kind of like Ironman a bit, IM has similar feats and once again...its not a h2h feat nor combat speed.
Proof? I'm not going to take your word for it that Ironman has speed feats of equal impressiveness, if you want to make that claim you're going to have to back it up...

Hows it impressive, all he did was fly and shot at stuff....not h2h speed or combat speed for the last time dude.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Hows it impressive, all he did was fly and shot at stuff....not h2h speed or combat speed for the last time dude.
Anyone can talk out their ass and claim that a particular feat is unimpressive because anyone could do it, but without something to support that argument it's a baseless claim. You claim is that Surfer's feat isn't impressive because pretty much anybody could do the same, so now it's time to support it. Show me a guy with a jet pack and a gun(or some equivalent) doing something like Surfer did in that scan. If it's as common and unimpressive as you claim than you should have no trouble locating an example.

lulz

Haha, cripple Surfer, huh?

Because you know Surfer would totally obliterate WW if both had their powers.

Bump.

mmm

Iron man has fought Surfer to a double KO in h2h BTW. In Pentagon armor.

"Most durable herald".

Jesus Abhi, it's like you want to get mauled.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Iron man has fought Surfer to a double KO in h2h BTW. In Pentagon armor.

"Most durable herald".



Scans / issue no. ?

The only fight between Tony and Silver Eunuch I can think of right now is when Stark was in his classic red and gold and used absorption ability or something.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Scans / issue no. ?

The only fight between Tony and Silver Eunuch I can think of right now is when Stark was in his classic red and gold and used absorption ability or something.
Yeah, it was red and gold armor here too.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15195013/Image1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15195014/radno22nl.jpg.html

Sub Mariner v1 34.

With these stips, Lunatik should top the list (above Diana imo) Surfer probably loses to these two and no-one else.

Surfer has amped his strength to atomic levels,being described as a walking atomic bomb...bested the warbound and hulk without his power cosmic...smashed a planet and cracked the surrounding moons when he clashed with morg,he has thrown a ship out of our solar system,and broken through vibranium walls,broke out of a planet that korvac trapped him in,3 shotted skaar,knocked someone from the tropical region to the polar region of a planet,manhandled nova prime,....his healing allows him regenerate from atoms,being sliced apart,or even coming back without a body,and his durability has shrugged off planetary explosion blasts several times,moved through black holes,shrugged off mjonir,she hulk hurt herself punching him,survived hits from aegis and tenebrous etc. Most of those were pre annihilation. Add this to his ftl+ reflexes..unless his CIS pacifism BS is allowed,as long as he has physical cosmic amping,he could take just about everyone there

Hulk was weakened in the events of Planet Hulk.

Unilord Saga is widely considered non-canon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, it was red and gold armor here too.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15195013/Image1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15195014/radno22nl.jpg.html

Sub Mariner v1 34.

Thanks. 99% of his armors are red&gold, lol.

Pentagon suit is the specific suit from modern era, he was wearing it in and around the "Avengers Disassembled" event. One-shotted enraged She-Hulk with it.

After the Pentagon suit, Warren Ellis appeared and gave Tony pre-Extremis armor, which quickly became the Extremis armor, lol.

Originally posted by Genii96
Surfer has amped his strength to atomic levels,being described as a walking atomic bomb...bested the warbound and hulk without his power cosmic...smashed a planet and cracked the surrounding moons when he clashed with morg,he has thrown a ship out of our solar system,and broken through vibranium walls,broke out of a planet that korvac trapped him in,3 shotted skaar,knocked someone from the tropical region to the polar region of a planet,manhandled nova prime,....his healing allows him regenerate from atoms,being sliced apart,or even coming back without a body,and his durability has shrugged off planetary explosion blasts several times,moved through black holes,shrugged off mjonir,she hulk hurt herself punching him,survived hits from aegis and tenebrous etc. Most of those were pre annihilation. Add this to his ftl+ reflexes..unless his CIS pacifism BS is allowed,as long as he has physical cosmic amping,he could take just about everyone there
Most of those are out of context or irrelevant. Like surfer besting hulk while all he did was headbutt a Hulk who was greeting his friend.

When hulk retaliated, he KTFO Surfer in a few hits. That's not a good showing for him.

And he had his power cosmic. Control disk didn't strip him of his power.

Originally posted by Genii96
Surfer has amped his strength to atomic levels,being described as a walking atomic bomb...bested the warbound and hulk without his power cosmic...smashed a planet and cracked the surrounding moons when he clashed with morg,he has thrown a ship out of our solar system,and broken through vibranium walls,broke out of a planet that korvac trapped him in,3 shotted skaar,knocked someone from the tropical region to the polar region of a planet,manhandled nova prime,....his healing allows him regenerate from atoms,being sliced apart,or even coming back without a body,and his durability has shrugged off planetary explosion blasts several times,moved through black holes,shrugged off mjonir,she hulk hurt herself punching him,survived hits from aegis and tenebrous etc. Most of those were pre annihilation. Add this to his ftl+ reflexes..unless his CIS pacifism BS is allowed,as long as he has physical cosmic amping,he could take just about everyone there Most of these are either out of context, have nothing to do with this thread, or you are flat out lying. Did you even read these comics?

Surfer is likely the least durable of the heralds, or more precisely in the bottom quartile of durability.

Surfer,least durable of heralds? Is this a joke or are you trolling?

Surfer does have a glass jaw.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Most of those are out of context or irrelevant. Like surfer besting hulk while all he did was headbutt a Hulk who was greeting his friend.

When hulk retaliated, he KTFO Surfer in a few hits. That's not a good showing for him.

And he had his power cosmic. Control disk didn't strip him of his power.
Yea right...surfer hit hulk with the mace,they both grappled after that,surfer launched him with a headbutt,then stomped the warbound,they then teamed up on him and hulk broke the disk,surfer than stopped fighting and hulk kept on going,seconds later surfer was up and unharmed
Surfer himself admitted he had no access to his PC so whatever crap you are trying to spew,just save it

Surfer cheapshotted Hulk, fact.

Hulk was weakened, fact.

Surfer got assf*cked in the end, fact.

Originally posted by h1a8
Most of these are either out of context, have nothing to do with this thread, or you are flat out lying. Did you even read these comics?

You of all people should never question how much comics anybody else reads.

Originally posted by Genii96
Yea right...surfer hit hulk with the mace,they both grappled after that,surfer launched him with a headbutt,then stomped the warbound,they then teamed up on him and hulk broke the disk,surfer than stopped fighting and hulk kept on going,seconds later surfer was up and unharmed
Surfer himself admitted he had no access to his PC so whatever crap you are trying to spew,just save it
Like I said surfer cheapshotted a weakened Hulk.

Hit weakened Warbound a few times.

Hulk broke the control disc and knocked him the **** out in a few hits. While he was wearing a control disc.

In what world is that a good showing? Surfer was KTFO in a few hits and Korg had to stop hulk from killing him.

You surfer fans are hilarious.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Surfer cheapshotted Hulk, fact.

Hulk was weakened, fact.

Surfer got assf*cked in the end, fact.
Surfer was knocked out by the draining portal to Sakaar. Hulk wasn't while traveling via same portal.

Surfer had far more time to gather his power back as he had arrived on Sakaar months before Hulk.

And control disc never cut him off from PC. He was just mindcontrolled to serve Red King.

Pak just gave the middle finger to Surfer fans and they are gullible enough to even accept it as a great Surfer showing.

SMH.

^

You left out the part where Surfer was extremely weakened too. Here are direct quotes:

"The portal had weakened me. I was vulnerable like never before."
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/IncredibleHulk95-005.jpg.html

And yes, Surfer didn't have access to his Power Cosmic.

"The disc prevented me from accessing my Power Cosmic."
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/IncredibleHulk95-022.jpg.html

So this is an extremely weakened Surfer, who didn't have access to his power cosmic, and was mind-controlled against his will. But I'm not surprised abhi would ignore on-panel statements, and twist context to his favour.

And it's funny how mind-control is considered a handicap only if it's Superman, but not if it's Surfer.

So abhi, answer me this: why did Hulk and the Warbound choose to destroy Surfer's disc instead of just simply knocking him out?

Originally posted by Genii96
Surfer,least durable of heralds? Is this a joke or are you trolling?

No I am quite serious, in terms of combat durability (particularly physical/blunt force damage threshold) the Silver Surfer has an extremely low level in comparison to other high heralds.

Does SS have a high level of versatility, and energy output? Yes.

Does the SS have a very low level of damage soak/threshold against other high heralds? Yes.

Nobody said he was at full power. He still had more time to regain his powers that hulk.

The disc prevented him from using his powers. Not that he didn't had them. Skaar used them once again on Surfer and because he wanted surfer to fight for him, he was able to use his powers.

He had his power cosmic. Without his power cosmic, Black Panther has oneshotted him.

He beat on a weakened Warbound and cheapshotted a weakened Hulk.

There is nothing impressive about it when you realize hulk treated him like his ***** when he KTFO him with a few hits.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nobody said he was at full power. He still had more time to regain his powers that hulk.

The disc prevented him from using his powers. Not that he didn't had them. Skaar used them once again on Surfer and because he wanted surfer to fight for him, he was able to use his powers.

He had his power cosmic. Without his power cosmic, Black Panther has oneshotted him.

He beat on a weakened Warbound and cheapshotted a weakened Hulk.

There is nothing impressive about it when you realize hulk treated him like his ***** when he KTFO him with a few hits.
Based on what did Surfer regain his powers? Hulk was on the planet longer than Surfer and had more time to recover. Where's your time reference?

Not being able to use your powers is the same as not having them. His entire powerset is based on the use of Power Cosmic. And It says right there on-panel: "The disc prevented me from accessing my power cosmic."

You didn't answer my question: why did Hulk destroy the control disc instead of simply knocking him out?

Originally posted by Board Walker
No I am quite serious, in terms of combat durability (particularly physical/blunt force damage threshold) the Silver Surfer has an extremely low level in comparison to other high heralds.

Does SS have a high level of versatility, and energy output? Yes.

Does the SS have a very low level of damage soak/threshold against other high heralds? Yes.
Except the fact that he has the highest tanking feats of any herald level xter. Where you get your facts from,I have no idea

Originally posted by Genii96
Except the fact that he has the highest tanking feats of any herald level xter. Where you get your facts from,I have no idea

No he doesnt.

Surfer has some of the lowest and weakest durability feats when it comes to hand to hand, blunt force, and physical attacks.

Name one tanking feat from any herald level above what surfer has showed.

Sigh...it's board walker. Why are you arguing with him?

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh...it's board walker. Why are you arguing with him?

Sighh...its Carver why do you not have him on ignore?

Having carver on ignore would make KMC too boring.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Based on what did Surfer regain his powers?

That he was on the planet longer than Hulk and was gaining in power since then?



Wut? Surfer arrived on Sakaar months ago than Hulk. He said he was there for months in IH 95.

Have you even read the comic?



No, its not. He was prevented from using PC. Its not the same as he was drained of them.



And you didn't answer mine: Why is it a good showing when all he did was beat on weakened warbound and got his ass handed to him by Hulk?

Originally posted by Genii96
Name one tanking feat from any herald level above what surfer has showed.
Superman.

You're welcome.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That he was on the planet longer than Hulk and was gaining in power since then?

Wut? Surfer arrived on Sakaar months ago than Hulk. He said he was there for months in IH 95.

Have you even read the comic?

No, its not. He was prevented from using PC. Its not the same as he was drained of them.

And you didn't answer mine: Why is it a good showing when all he did was beat on weakened warbound and got his ass handed to him by Hulk?
I have IH #95 and it doesn't say anywhere that Surfer was there for months, nor does it say he was there before Hulk. Don't make blanket statements, provide the page number or scan to back up your claim.

Also, after Surfer was freed and had his PC back, he still specifically said he was too weakened. This means Surfer wasn't recovered like you claimed:

"Still I am too weak"
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/IncredibleHulk95-022.jpg.html

No access to the PC means he couldn't amp his strength or charge his fist or do anything really, including recover. Unlike Hulk, he doesn't have a natural healing factor. Whenever Surfer heals himself or recovers his power he needs to actively us his PC to do it, which he was cut off from.

The answer to your question lies in the answer to mine: Why did Hulk and his warbound break Surfer's disc instead of simply knocking him out?

Simple question.

Originally posted by One-Punch
I have IH #95 and it doesn't say anywhere that Surfer was there for months, nor does it say he was there before Hulk. Don't make blanket statements, provide the page number or scan to back up your claim.


He was there for quite some time as he had fought in the arena before.



Like I said nobody claimed he was at full power. Neither was the hulk.


That's not what Obedience Disk does. It merely subjugated his free will and turned him into a slave.

It didn't cut him off from his powers.



Because apparently Hulk was surprised.

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24019237_WWH_GF_020.jpg

"Surprised by his former Ally's attack, Hulk recovered and shattered his controlling device but nonetheless angrily beat him senseless."



Simple answer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was there for quite some time as he had fought in the arena before.

Like I said nobody claimed he was at full power. Neither was the hulk.

That's not what Obedience Disk does. It merely subjugated his free will and turned him into a slave.

It didn't cut him off from his powers.

Because apparently Hulk was surprised.

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/24019237_WWH_GF_020.jpg

"Surprised by his former Ally's attack, Hulk recovered and shattered his controlling device but nonetheless angrily beat him senseless."

Simple answer.
How about you provide the page number or scan where it says Surfer has been on the planet for months? I'm not asking for your opinion, I'm asking you to provide proof.

So you're saying the Odedience disc doesn't prevent Surfer from accessing his PC, even though Surfer literally states that's what it did?



I'm not surprised you would dodge the question by posting an irrelevant summary of what happened. It's interesting you post everything except the actual comic.

There was a specific reason they destroyed the disc:
http://s9.postimg.org/mbyr7vo27/IH95.png

"Give him one more pass and we're DEAD. I only see one spot"

So in other words, an extremely weakened Surfer who had no access to PC was going to kill Hulk and the Warbound if they didn't break his mind-control.

This is based on the actual comic, not some summary.

Originally posted by One-Punch
How about you provide the page number or scan where it says Surfer has been on the planet for months? I'm not asking for your opinion, I'm asking you to provide proof.


He arrived at Sakaar quite some time before Hulk. As he was already champion of Arena before Hulk.

Hulk was already on sakaar for weeks.





It didn't allow him to use it. It didn't drain him out. FFS here is Surfer using his blasts while wearing a control disc when Skaar implanted him with it.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh165/Maestro120/Skaar_9_016.jpg



It's quite clear why he destroyed the disc. He wanted to beat his ass down.

Which is what he did.

Hiroim using hyperbole isn't some kind of absolute truth. Unless you think Surfer can kill hulk in h2h when Hulk quite literally beat him into ground and had to be stopped from killing him..

It's nothing different than a lip service like "Martian Manhunter is so dangerous" shortly before random villain owns his ass and Superman has to save him.


Hahaha, this is like arguing with a Martian manhunter fanboy. Hulk made Surfer his ***** AFTER he broke the control disc which should make him more powerful IYO.

But a less powerful surfer IYO is going to kill hulk?

crylaugh

Yes, where Surfer's attacks had no effect on Hulk while Hulk beat Surfer into ground.

Sure.

bump...and SS clears it

No, he doesn't.

Originally posted by Genii96
bump...and SS clears it

Just let those threads die, ffs.

^^^^^but they are so much fun

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just let those threads die, ffs.

Hey what ever happened to all those Superman threads from like two weeks ago? I can't find any of them.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Hey what ever happened to all those Superman threads from like two weeks ago? I can't find any of them.

You mean the ones we've carvbumped? Bada closed them and erased our posts, lol.

Good to see you're back, btw.