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Who wins?


Jack of Hearts- http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Jonathan_Hart_%28Earth-616%29

vs

Vulcan- http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Gabriel_Summers_%28Earth-616%29

Vulcan should win JOH has been owned way to many times

How powerful were the people who owned him?

Originally posted by golem370
How powerful were the people who owned him? Surfer , Quasar the ones I remember off the bat

Originally posted by kgkg
Surfer , Quasar the ones I remember off the bat

What does the one have to do with the other?

Originally posted by kgkg
Surfer , Quasar the ones I remember off the bat they would own vulcan

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
What does the one have to do with the other? pointing out that JOH is not impressive at all. Vulcan does have some decent feats

but Surfer and Quasar were not good example on my part but those are the ones i remember off the bat

Originally posted by kgkg
pointing out that JOH is not impressive at all. Vulcan does have some decent feats

but Surfer and Quasar were not good example on my part but those are the ones i remember off the bat

Because he lost against Surfer and Quasar he's not impressive?

Got it.

Originally posted by Bada's Palin
Because he lost against Surfer and Quasar he's not impressive?

Got it. those were examples

Originally posted by kgkg
those were examples

But if you can't think of any incidents of him losing against someone on Vulcan's level, how can you claim that his "losses" make him unimpressive?

Originally posted by Nihilist
they would own vulcan true bad examples on my part but i was just relying to golem370 he asked my how powerful and I listed the ones i could remember off my head

Well I figured it would be people of that calibur

Surfer/Quasar >> a single punch from Gladiator, me thinks.

Originally posted by Galan007
Surfer/Quasar >> a single punch from Gladiator, me thinks. Gladiator when written well punches pretty hard. But I do agree that was pretty bad

Vulcan could potential manipulate his energy in the way Quasar and Surfer have done.

Originally posted by Galan007
Surfer/Quasar >> a single punch from Gladiator, me thinks.

It depends on the effort that gladiator is putting in his punches. You know that gladiator was going to punch cannonball from the earth to the center of the sun. A guy that can push planets and probably throw them should be able to throw a hell of a punch. How about a guy that can bust planets open with his fist, that punch could be leathel. We have yet to see he extent of gladiators strength, marvel always classify it as unknown.

Hell, gladiator could have hit vulcan with a punch that could level three punches, we dont know. Just like professor said, whatever gladiator think about he can do it.

bad match up for joh . . . really bad.

vulcan

I don't think that Quasar > Vulcan.

And I think Vulcan wins.

Vulcan. Probably pretty easily.

on a pure power level ... i think JOH wins. say coming back to earth only to blow up during avengers disassembled...
but for what hes shown in combat... he has some hand to hand shield training.. helped get his ass whooped on by tyrant and... yah..

I'd say he'd have a fair chance against vulcan.. 4/10 or 3/10.. but he just has too many losses to show that he'd do well...

Originally posted by kgkg
those were examples
He also lost to Tyrant uhuh

I'm gonna go with JOH, he's cooler.

Jack of Hearts always had a containment problem, and I've seen Vulcan beat the Stygian Imperial Guardsmen named Neutron by manipulating the energy he (The star clad guy that resembles Colossus) siphoned from him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_

I think Jack of Hearts could be in a world of trouble if Vulcan managed to lock onto his energy signature.