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In no particular order:

Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Metal Gear Solid 4
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy IX
Star Ocean Till The End of Time
Tales of Phantasia
Dragon Quest VIII
Golden Sun
Xenogears

In no particular order:

Heroes of Might and Magic 3(with exp. packs)
Heroes of Might and Magic 2
DuneII/Dune2000
Mortal Kombat Ultimate/Trilogy
Silent Hill(deserves to be here for being the damn scariest game ever)
World of Warcraft(with exp. packs)
Diablo I
Diablo II(with exp. pack)
Starcraft(with exp. pack)
Warcraft III(with exp. pack)

Liking your RPG choices Taven....

Mine in no order:

Final Fantasy X,
Final Fantasy VII,
Zelda: Ocarina of Time,
Zelda: Link to the Past,
Dragon Quest: Quest of the Cursed King,
Tales of Symphonia,
Half Life 2,
Portal,
Gears of War,
Super Mario Galaxy.

Honorable mentions:

Warcraft III,
Prince of Persia trilogy,
Dungeon Keeper,
Age of Mythology,
Zelda: Twilight Princess.

(more may follow as I remember)

Balder's Gate 2
System Shock 2
Red Alert 2
Starcraft
Mass Effect
Super Mario Bros.
Half-Life
Victoria
Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Diablo

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Balder's Gate 2
System Shock 2
Red Alert 2
Starcraft
Mass Effect
Super Mario Bros.
Half-Life
Victoria
Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Diablo
Yuck...

Me + Western RPGs = Yuck.

Seeing as we're not doing order:

Resident Evil 4
Metal Gear Solid
Perfect Dark
Tomb Raider 3: Adventures of Lara Croft
Bioshock
Metroid Prime
Banjo-Kazooie
Super Mario Galaxy
Portal
Gears of War

-AC

Oh my, how could I forget Resident Evil 4....

Really nice list AC, not a huge fan of MGS or the 3rd Tomb Raider but aside from that, they're all good.

In no order...

Jet Grind Radio
Jet Set Radio Future
SF3 3rd Strike
Marvels VS Capcom
Project Justice
Soul Calibur
Soul Calibur 2
Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 8
Zelda (the 1st for the N64)

Yeah, those are the best to me.

Zelda: OoT
Fallout 3
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
Banjo Kazooie and Tooie(decided to group both together)
Star Fox 64
Mass Effect
Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions
Final Fantasy X
Monster Hunter Freedom(Cause of the multiplayer)

Gears of War
Gears of War 2
Resistance: Fall of Man
Resistance 2
Fallout 3
Metal Gear Solid 4
Grand Theft Auto IV
Grand Theft Auto Sanandreas
Resident Evil 4
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
Final Fantasy VII (PS1)
Street Fighter II (Arcade)
Metroid Prime (GC)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (SNES)
Resident Evil 4 (GC)
Grand Theft Auto 3 (PS2)
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PS3)
Mega Man 2 (NES)
Super Mario 64 (N64)

In no Particular Order:

Witcher.
Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines.
Nexus the Jupiter Incident.
Elder Scroll III
Elder Scroll IV
Supreme Commander Forged Alliance.
Dungeon Keeper.
Stronghold.
Never Winter Nights 2.
Warcraft III + Expansion.

I guess this is another thread in which we post our favorite games. Anyway, my best games are the following:

1. Tales of Symphonia (NGC)
2. Tetris Attack (SNES)
3. Yoshi's Island (SNES)
4. Mario Kart: Double Dash (NGC)
5. Viewtiful Joe 2 (NGC)
6. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii)
7. Paper Mario 2: The Thousand Year Door (NGC)
8. Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards (N64)
9. Mario Power Tennis (NGC)
10. Mario Kart Wii (Wii)

They aren't in order.

lmao, you think those series are bad? "sigh" Then agian their a fair amount faster pace, perhaps you need a faster mind to work through it and lose playability if you cant sit in your turn based nonsense to choose your attacks.

heres mine:

1. Diablo series
2/3. WoW+Warcraft 3
4. Total war series (especillay Medieval 2+exp)
5. Ratchet and clank ToD
6. Fallout 3
7. Oblivion
8. Half life 2
9. Dawn of war series (same with company of heroes)
10. Supreme commander FA

For me, the 10 best are the 10 i got the most enjoyment out of rather than those that are considered classics...that can be borne from different reasons...some i liked because i got hugely immersed in the games and some i liked because of the fun i had with friends...so with that in mind

Resident evil
Guitar Hero 2
Shenmue
Conflict: global storm
Call of Duty 4
Rockband
Gran Turismo 2
Grand theft auto: San Andreas
Zelda: A link to the past
Zelda: Ocarina of time

Originally posted by Taven
QFT.

The Fallout series/The Elder Scrolls series/WoW/The Fable series/The KotOR series/The Balder's Gate series/Mass Effect/all of that other Western sh1t = ...sh1t. Shut up weaboo.

Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy VII
Chrono Trigger
Metal Gear Solid
Mario 64
Bioshock
Half Life 2 series
Counter-Strike (back when it was good)
Goldeneye
Final Fantasy X

Not in order.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Shut up weaboo.

QFT. The Wapanese thinking that anything originating from Japan is better than from the Wester World(it's not).

One decent game from there was FF, but even that can't compare to Diablo or Might and Magic. The rest are just FF clones.

You guys clearly don't know what you're talking about. The second biggest RPG franchise over there: the Tales franchise, differs vastly from the FF franchise in both gameplay and style. And pretty much every JRPG is somewhat unique in its own way.

And it's not anything originating from Japan, it's any RPG, and that's something that can factually be stated.

MHF2
MHF
Resident Evil 4
Godfather
GTA: SA
GTA: 4
FFVII: CC
Guitar Hero 3
AC/DC Rockband Live
Fight Night Round 3
Knockout Kings 2001

Not in order

MGS4
MGS3
Oblivion
Left 4 Dead
Spider-man (PS)
Bust a Groove
ssbb
Mario 64
Mario Party (one of the later ones they're all pretty much the same...)
COD4

Gears of War is awesome! Epic has really done well with it and its sequel.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Ah yes. Because constant clones of the first Final Fantasy is always the way to go.

And I'll switch Diablo for Fallout. Thanks for reminding me Taven. That's more ignorant than me saying that I do not like western RPGs... I've played KoTOR (and the 2nd), Diablo 2, Morrowind, Oblivion, Jade Empire and I'm going to get Fallout 3 soon... I just didn't really like any of them.

If you think all JRPGs are the same, especially those within the final fantasy series then you are very wrong. Aside from the general saving the world thing they're all quite different.

Mgs4
Mgs3
Gta:sa
Kotor
Wind Waker
SSBM
Kotor 2
Fable TLC
Mass effect
Final Fantasy X

In no particular order:

Chrono Cross (extremely underrated, arguably the best RPG I've ever played)

Chrono Trigger

Tales of Eternia (aka Tales of Destiny 2)

Final Fantasy VII

Resident Evil 4

Shadow of The Colossus

ICO

God of War (any part)

Okami

Street Fighter 2

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Gears of War is awesome! Epic has really done well with it and its sequel.
well...with the first one anyways.

Heh. Troof.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
... they all have that inherent boringness? Yeah, they over complicate leveling up and it's just generally a bit meh. I like linearity in a game.

Also in no particular order...

Banjo Tooie
Halo 3
Mario 64
Donkey Kong Country
World of Warcraft
Goldeneye
Grand Theft Auto IV/Vice City (can't decide)
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Rainbow Six 3
Tetris

In no order

Ico
Shadow of the Colossus
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid 3
Gears of War 2
Final Fantasy 8
Final Fantasy 10
Shinobi (PS2)
Pokemon
Super Smash Bros Melee

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Seeing as we're not doing order:

Gears of War

-AC

Figures....

Gloomy.

No order

Megaman 2
Super Metroid
Metal Gear Solid
Castlevania 3 Dracula's Curse
Mike Tysons Punch Out
Devil May Cry 3
Super Mario RPG
Donkey Kong Country
Resident Evil 4
Killer Instinct

No order
Gears of War 2
Call of Duty 4
Resident Evil 4
Need for Speed Undercover
Midnight Club LA
Fallout 3
Super Mario Smash Bro's
Fable 2
Gears of War 1
Worms Open Warfare 2

Super Mario Bros

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

Final Fantasy

Heroes of might n magic

Warcraft

MGS

No order.


Resident Evil 4
Resident Evil
Goldeneye
Mario Kart 64
Turok
Super Mario Bros.
Duke Nukem 3D
Painkiller
Star Wars: Battlefront 2
Super Smash Bros.

Resident Evil 4
Metal Gear Solid 3
Devil May Cry 3
Devil May Cry 4
Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess
Call of Duty 4
WWE smackdown vs raw 2007
Rock Band
God of War
God of War 2

Lets see....

Zelda: OoT
Streets of Rage
Shadow of the Colossus
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 4
GTA: San Andreas
God of War
Goldeneye 007
Super Smash Bros 64
Resident Evil 4

No order...

Resident Evil 4
Killzone
GTA San Andreas
Soul Calibur 2
God of War 2
Medal of Honour: Frontline
Counter-Strike
Doom 64
Starwing (SNES)
Streetfighter 2 (SNES)

final fantasy 9
crono cross
metal gear solid
vagrant story
crono trigger
xenogears
xenosaga 3
okami
spyro 2
metal gear solid 4


hmmm, there are too many worth mentioning

syphon filter 2
kingdom hearts
shadow hearts covenant
tales of the abyss
dot hack gu
ico
devil may cry 1
resident evil 2
parasite eve 2
tekken 3
mgs 2 and 3{duh}
zelda the windwaker
crash bandicoot warped
ace combat 3/4/5
need for speed 4 high stakes
shadow of colossus
final fantasy 6/7/8
shadow of destiny
shin egami tensei nocturne
gran theft auto vice city
onimusha 2 samurai's destiny
zone of the enders the second runner
eternal darkness
banjo kazooie
legacy of kain defiance
jack 3
spyro 3
xenosaga 1 and 2
beyond good and evil
dark cloud 2{awesome game}
doct hack series
command and conquer tiberian sun
command and conquer yuri's revenge

Quake 3
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Half Life
Duke Nukem 3d
Diablo
Dungeon Keeper
Red Alert
X-Com
Neverwinter nights
Jagged Alliance

In no particular order

Originally posted by leonheartmm
final fantasy 9
crono cross
metal gear solid
vagrant story
crono trigger
xenogears
xenosaga 3
okami
spyro 2
metal gear solid 4


hmmm, there are too many worth mentioning

syphon filter 2
kingdom hearts
shadow hearts covenant
tales of the abyss
dot hack gu
ico
devil may cry 1
resident evil 2
parasite eve 2
tekken 3
mgs 2 and 3{duh}
zelda the windwaker
crash bandicoot warped
ace combat 3/4/5
need for speed 4 high stakes
shadow of colossus
final fantasy 6/7/8
shadow of destiny
shin egami tensei nocturne
gran theft auto vice city
onimusha 2 samurai's destiny
zone of the enders the second runner
eternal darkness
banjo kazooie
legacy of kain defiance
jack 3
spyro 3
xenosaga 1 and 2
beyond good and evil
dark cloud 2{awesome game}
doct hack series
command and conquer tiberian sun
command and conquer yuri's revenge

^Awesome list, the xenogears/saga series was epic as hell and .hack// brought an entirely new and different level of awesome to the table.

einhander
symphony of the night

1.Marvel Vs Capcom 2
2.Soul Calibur 2
3.Revenge of Shinobi
4.Super Mario Bros
5.streets of Rage
6.Sonic the hedgehog
7.Legend of Zelda: Orcaina of time
8.Mortal Kombat Trilogy
9.Castlevania: Bloodlines
10.Super Smash bros Brawl

honorable mentions: Goldeneye 007
Gunstar Heroes, Classic Street fighter, Megaman 8 collection
kingdom hearts, final fantasy 8, Marvel Super heroes, & mugen LOL

Super Mario Galaxy
Metroid Prime
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Super Smash Bros Brawl
Resident Evil 4
Golden Eye 007
Super Mario Bros 3
NiGHTS into Dreams...
Ninja Gaiden (Xbox)

No order in particular.

in no paticular order:

god of war
god of war 2
ratchet and clank up your arsenal
final fantasy 7
crisis core: ff 7
halo 2
guitar hero 3
devil may cry 3 special edition
legend of zelda ocarina of time
super smash bros melee

I'm not up to task on the latest video games out there, or what's currently considered great, so I asked my son. And here's his list of what he considers to be the 10 best games ever:

1) KOTOR (2003)

2) Banjo-Kazooie (1998)

3) Hitman: Blood Money (2006)

4) True Crime: New York City (2005)

5) Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong-Quest (1995)

6) Super Mario 64 (1996)

7) Midnight Club III: DUB Edition Remix (2006)

8) Mortal Kombat II (1994)

9) Mega Man X (1993)

10) The Labrynth of Time (1993)

Banjo making number two already cements your son as having good taste.

In random order:

Chrono Trigger
Chrono Cross
Final Fantasy VII
Xenogears
Counter-Strike 1.6
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Silent Hill
Little Big Planet 2 (destined to surpass LBP1)
Tekken 3
GTA: San Andreas

No particular order

Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
Super Metroid
Fallout 2
Psychonauts
Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
Toejam & Earl
Super Mario Bros.
Diablo 2
C&C Red Alert 2

Top 10 lists are ghey.

1. Vampire Bloodlines.
2. Hitman Blood Money/ Codename 47.
3. Elder Scrolls : Oblivion.
4. Shadowrun (Genesis/Megadrive)
5. UFO Enemy Unknown/ XCOM.
6. GTA series.
7. Left 4 Dead 2.
8. Gabriel Knight : Sin of the Fathers.
9. Master Of Orion 2.
10.True Crimes : New York.

Mentions: Fable, The Darkness, Riddick Butchers Bay, Forgotten Realms Games, Street Fighter Alpha/ VS Xmen games, Res Evil 4.

Chrono Cross, FF VIII and FF XII were not even good, let alone top 30. Valkyrie Profile was cool though, Silmeria I mean, I havn't played teh others..

Everyone knows the best games are (in no order):

Super Mario Bros
Super Mario Bros 2
Super Mario Bros The Lost Levels
Super Mario Bros 3
Super Mario World
Super Mario World 2 Yoshi's Island
Super Mario Bros All-Stars
Super Mario World + All-Stars
Super Mario Land
Super Mario Land 2 The Seven Golden Coins
Super Mario Kart
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Kart 64
Mario Party
Mario Party 2
Mario Party 3
Mario Party 4
Mario Party 5
Super Mario Sunshine
Mario Kart Double Dash!!
Mario Kart DS
Super Mario 64 DS
New Super Mario Bros
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2
New Super Mario Bros Wii

...I could go on

Don't those only count as abot 1-3 games repeated ad nausium?

My List:

Assassin's Creed 2
Baldurs Gate 2: Shadows of Amn+ Throne of Bhaal
Crono Trigger
Kotor 2
Planescape Torment
Portal
Prince of Persia: Sands of Time
Shadow of the Colossus
Silent Hill 2
Thief 2: The Metal Age

Note, these are objectively good but not my personal favourite. I havn't actually played every one of these games but I know enough for them to merit a place. Others that I either don't know enough of or are just runners up are:

Rome: Total War+BI, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, Jedi Outcast, Jedi Academy, Neverwinter Nights+SOU+HOTU, Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer, Icewind Dale 2, Resident Evil 2, Duex Ex, God of War trilogy, Braid, Batman: Arkham Asylam, Too Human , Half Life 2, Final Fantasy 7 and Final Fantasy 9.

Ironically out of all 30 games listed Chrono Cross is probably the one I would say is the single best game ever made, and at the very least in the top 5 among the likes of Metal Gear Solid 2 and 4 and Xenosaga Episode I and III. What didn't you like about it out of curiosity? The only things I genuinely didn't like about it is the silent protagonist, the tiny degree of non linearity to the storyline it possessed, at times poor pacing and direction, and I can't say I'm too big a fan of turn based combat and the PS1 graphics are pretty dated. However its storyline and music are second only to Xenogears (and I'd be in the minority in saying that Xenogears even beats it in the latter catagory; anyone who's played it will for the most part say it has the finest video game sountrack of all time), it has the finest technical graphics the PS1 has to offer, and arguably the finest artistic design for any game, period, and its gameplay truly was the best that turn based gameplay has to offer.

I mean it was just a very beautiful and artistic game, look at the world map for example, it's probably one of the finest works of art I've ever seen, not to mention the absolutely incredibly atmospheric music playing in the background which is genuinely one of the finest pieces of music I've ever heard. It's rare to find a game that has such beauty in its variety as Chrono Cross does.

EbeeMm9LQSM

In dis order...

1. SFIII 3rd Strike

2. MVC1 and 2

3. SSFIV and Vampire Savior

4. Samurai Showdown I and II

5. GG Accent Core +

6. KOF 98

7. GG XXX Midnight Carnival

8. Project Justice

9. SF Alpha 2 Gold or normal

10. A bunch of other shit.

Yup, mostly fighters.

Cross is bad mostly becuase of the terrible characters. I mean, there are over 40 of them and they're all either batshit insane, batshit insanely designed, bland or have hairtearingly appalling accents. Most of them have jackshit to do with the story outside of 1 line of dialogue they might say if you have them in your party and then shut up. They barely count as characters. They're more like weapons with opposable thumbs who (very) occasionally sprout bad dialogue. Plus you can only have 3 party members in battle at once, which is crap when you have 20+ characters with you at the time. Originally they were going to have 60+ characters btw. Also the main character is bland and badly designed, the level design is hit and miss, ranging from gorgeous to bollocks, the main villian Lynx is a nonsensical protentious pillock who rambles pseudophilisophical gibberish and has an ugly hat. The storyline is pretty ****ed up too, often not bothering to give you direction or motivation for what you're doing and other times being full-stop convoluted with, as you said, bad pacing.

That said, it isn't bad per say. The music is great and some of the locations are good (and actually use more colours than black, grey and brown) and the combats alright if somewhat wierd. Its okay, but not a good game for a sequel to Trigger.

But seriously, **** Korcha.

Originally posted by No End N Site
5. GG Accent Core + <3 you.

Originally posted by Aede Madavan
Ironically out of all 30 games listed Chrono Cross is probably the one I would say is the single best game ever made, and at the very least in the top 5 among the likes of Metal Gear Solid 2 and 4 and Xenosaga Episode I and III. What didn't you like about it out of curiosity? The only things I genuinely didn't like about it is the silent protagonist, the tiny degree of non linearity to the storyline it possessed, at times poor pacing and direction, and I can't say I'm too big a fan of turn based combat and the PS1 graphics are pretty dated. However its storyline and music are second only to Xenogears (and I'd be in the minority in saying that Xenogears even beats it in the latter catagory; anyone who's played it will for the most part say it has the finest video game sountrack of all time), it has the finest technical graphics the PS1 has to offer, and arguably the finest artistic design for any game, period, and its gameplay truly was the best that turn based gameplay has to offer.

Well, in terms of storyline Chrono Cross did kind of screw the main characters from Chrono Trigger...

All that emotional investment in Crono, Marle, Robo, Lucca.. All get shafted.

At least Frog has a happy ending.

Panzer Dragoon Saga was pretty awesome. Really good combat system, and morphing your dragons form while changing physical stats on the fly was a nice feature.

For my money, it was beat any Final Fantasy game past Six. Too bad hardly anyone got to play it, and it will never see a port because Sega lost the source code.

For shame on the the people leaving out early Shining Force games.
Not enough people have mentioned Golden Sun saga, too few mentioned Uncharted 2, no one on the board has probably played Broken Sword 1 or 2. Way too few sega saturn owners here too..anyone heard of Dragon Force? No? For Shame!

I tried to play Broken Sword 1, but a silly bug means I can't go forward anymore. Plus it was pretty shite anyway.

Originally posted by Juk3n
For shame on the the people leaving out early Shining Force games.
Not enough people have mentioned Golden Sun saga, too few mentioned Uncharted 2, no one on the board has probably played Broken Sword 1 or 2. Way too few sega saturn owners here too..anyone heard of Dragon Force? No? For Shame!

Dragon Force was good. For my money, Guardian Heroes is up there with great beat 'em ups like Streets of Rage. And it's not simply a Final Fight clone either, it plays differently..

And if we're talking Saturn games, you can't forget Shining Force III, the best of the series.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I tried to play Broken Sword 1, but a silly bug means I can't go forward anymore. Plus it was pretty shite anyway. So wrong.... Broken Sword 1 & 2 are fantastic games.

I'm guessing the bug is probably a scratch on the disc... or your computer. I've never had a single issue with it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I tried to play Broken Sword 1, but a silly bug means I can't go forward anymore. Plus it was pretty shite anyway.

Yeah that was a great game.

I will take "best" to mean "games I had the most fun with"...also I will name 13...just cause.

Legend of the Mystical Ninja (SNES)
Star Fox 64 (N64)
Goldeneye (N64)
Spider-Man 2 (XBox)
Left 4 Dead (Xbox 360)
Portal (Xbox 360)
Batman: Arkham Asylum (PS3)
Pokemon Red (Game Boy Color)
Gothic (PC)
Half Life (PC)
Diablo 2 (PC)
Baldur's Gate (PC)
Heroes of Might and Magic 3 (PC)

The characters do seem to be a pretty big point of critisicm when it comes to Cross, but the way I see it is that the core set of characters, particularly when you place them into your party at the right times (because I'm cool I used a walkthrough tailored to guiding you when exactly to bring certain characters with you for the best story scenarios), are all detailed relatively decently; this numbers around a dozen and includes the likes of Kid, Glenn, Nikki, Harle, Karsh, Viper, Fargo, Riddel, Radius, Leena, Guile, Grobyc, Leah, Luccia, and Serge (who is developed more subtlely through how characters interact with him and the role he takes in the story; Cross does this far more effectively with Serge than Trigger did with Crono), which is far more than the average RPG. It seems people like to focus on the number of characters that weren't well detailed in Cross rather than the number of characters that were. Not developing such a large cast of characters is as big a point of critisism for Chrono Cross as it is for any game; that the number of characters were included in your party in Cross without being properly detailed simply means that they added little to Cross, not that they took anything away from it. As it stands the level of character detail was far greater in Cross than it was in Trigger (as well as the vast majority of RPGs), where with the possible exception of Frog and Magus every character in Cross that I listed were far more wholly detailed. The focus was on Serge, Kid, and Lynx, and the plot and setting anyway, any real problems with the rest of your party members is of little concern seeing as how minimal the significance they had on the entire product was in the first place.

Originally posted by Aede Madavan
I mean it was just a very beautiful and artistic game, look at the world map for example, it's probably one of the finest works of art I've ever seen, not to mention the absolutely incredibly atmospheric music playing in the background which is genuinely one of the finest pieces of music I've ever heard. It's rare to find a game that has such beauty in its variety as Chrono Cross does.

EbeeMm9LQSM

Excellent points. And, yes, that music is great. I loved it.

I'll put my list up.



No particular order:

Starcraft2
Super Metroid (may be my most favored game)
Goldeneye
Fable
Fable 2
Mario Kart double Dash.
Mech Warrior 3 (with expansion...dudes, don't deny this! Customizing your mechs and unlocking new shit was one of the funnest things I've ever done.)
Perfect Dark
Legend of Zelda: OoT
Tetris and many of its interations. (I played Tretris 2 for the SNES probably more than any other. It was like a combination of Dr. Mario and Tertris and had multiplayer...really hard to top that Tertris game. Tertris for the gamecube was awesome, too (don't remember it's name...but it was the one before tetris sphere. It introduced cascading which I had been preaching that tetris should have for about a decade.))


Honorable mention: Eternal Darkness. One of the best stories and game elements to date. Very unique experience at times and hard to top this games's originality.

- In no particular order:

Super Mario Bros.
Mega Man 2 & 3
Mega Man X1-3
Contra
Ice Climbers
Sonic the Hedgehog (2, 3 & Knuckles)
Yes, I like Retro Games uhuh

"Newer" games:
Chrono Trigger
Dragon Quest VII
God of War trilogy
Ratchet & Clank 2 & 3
Okami
Jak & Daxter: Precursor Legacy
Tekken 3

No mention of Star Ocean: The Second Story? Kind of surprised, I thought that was much better then the games coming out at the time, including FF VIII..

Only Panzer Dragoon Saga was better. (Seriously, you have no idea how good it was.. Get it anyway you could.)

Shit, I forgot to mention MOTHER.
A must-play for every true RPG fan.

Any list that excludes Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas has failed.

Originally posted by Stall_19
Any list that excludes Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas has failed.

I thought GTA2 was better than San Andreas...

well, you thought wrong.

What are we basing the ten best games on? Ten most influential, best selling or our ten best gaming experiences? It's really hard for me to answer this question because most of the games i thought were once good would be a painstaking chore to go back and play today. I recently hooked my NES up and had a game night where my friends and i played nothing but NES games. I had exactly 357 NES titles and we must have played at least 200 games that night and pretty much all of them were garbage. However, back in the day they were the bee's knees. I really can't get over how bad they were. They were so bad that i took my entire collection to, The EXchange the next day. I'm going to do the same with my other old games and consoles. Other than a few gems most games have aged horribly with all the new innovations.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
What are we basing the ten best games on? Ten most influential, best selling or our ten best gaming experiences? It's really hard for me to answer this question because most of the games i thought were once good would be a painstaking chore to go back and play today. I recently hooked my NES up and had a game night where my friends and i played nothing but NES games. I had exactly 357 NES titles and we must have played at least 200 games that night and pretty much all of them were garbage. However, back in the day they were the bee's knees. I really can't get over how bad they were. They were so bad that i took my entire collection to, The EXchange the next day. I'm going to do the same with my other old games and consoles. Other than a few gems most games have aged horribly with all the new innovations.

I don't know, I can still enjoy the SNES. The N64 and PlayStation as well, I agree somewhat with the NES, and of course most games (kinda like today) were kinda bad anyways. I quite enjoy 90s computer games, too.

Most of the games I think are shit now, I pretty much thought were shit then..

But Batman, Double Dragon, Blaster Master, Punch Out, and Ninja Gaiden are fun in any era.

I probably wouldn't want to revisit Final Fantasy though. We had fun, but I'm too spoiled by modern rpg's...

I'll just list my favorites in the order I can think of them in. My favorites are the ones I've had the most fun with.

1. Pokemon (can't pick a gen)
2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
3. Super Mario World
4. Tomba!2: The Evil Swine Return
5. inFamous
6. Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal
7. Spyro the Dragon
8. Super Smash Bros.: Brawl
9. Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2
10. Kingdom Hearts

Honorable Mentions: Spider-Man: Web of Shadows, Megaman X series, Megaman Battle Network series, Sly Cooper series, Crash Bandicoot series, pretty much any other Mario and Zelda game, Donkey Kong Country series, Metroid, Kirby: Superstar, Dynasty Warriors, and Twisted Metals 3 and 4.

Yeah, had a lot of fun with a lot of games.

I based my top 10 list on single player experience only(because I love so many games I have to make even more separate categories) and based it on what games actually affected my life or made me think differently about things. As much as I love the pokemon games the narrative and gameplay have not in any way affected my life or altered my outlook on it even slightly.

Great works of art will have that effect.

Originally posted by Cyner
I based my top 10 list on single player experience only(because I love so many games I have to make even more separate categories) and based it on what games actually affected my life or made me think differently about things. As much as I love the pokemon games the narrative and gameplay have not in any way affected my life or altered my outlook on it even slightly.

Great works of art will have that effect.

Okami?

Originally posted by Cyner
I based my top 10 list on single player experience only(because I love so many games I have to make even more separate categories) and based it on what games actually affected my life or made me think differently about things. As much as I love the pokemon games the narrative and gameplay have not in any way affected my life or altered my outlook on it even slightly.

Great works of art will have that effect. so what you're saying is... Halo 3 is your favorite game of all time?

Reach > Halo 3

i wouldnt know

Reach >>> Halo 3

Baldurs Gate 2>>>>>>>>>EverythingReach.

super13

Since an email brought me back to KMC why not post my top 10?

1. Duke Nukem 3D
2. Super Mario Bros 3
3. Chrono Trigger
4. Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
5. Super Metroid
6. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
7. Seiken Densetsu 3 (aka Secret of Mana 2)
8. Resident Evil 4
9. Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
10. Street Fighter 2 Turbo (Doesn't matter if it's Super or just Street)

Alright, time to go back to my KMC hibernation.

None of you liked the Hitman games?

And did any of you play the Shadowrun games on the SNES and Genesis/Megadrive?

Going by enjoyment rather than supposed quality, my ten are:

Classics:

MGS
FF7
FF8
ISS Pro 98
Sensible Soccer
Syndicate
Resident Evil 3
Super Mario World
Street Fighter 2
Mortal Kombat 2

Modern Games:

Dragon Age Origins
Mass Effect
Star Trek - Bridge Commander
Star Wars Battlefront 2
Splinter Cell: Conviction
COD: Modern Warfare
GTA: Vice City
007: Everything or Nothing
Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 (yes, the demo was that good)
Dawn of War 1 + expansions, 2 + expansion

Oh yeah.

I should mention strategy games like Age of Empires, Warcraft, Starcraft, and C&C are also the shiz-nites back in the days.

Zelda: Ocarina of Time,
Zelda: Twillite Princese
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy XI
Halo Combat Evolved
Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo 3: ODST
Halo Reach
Fallout 3

Originally posted by zeroking24
Halo 3: ODST

I'm sorry, wut?

With lists, establishing criteria is probably 95% of it. Because given varying criteria, I could make probably 5 different lists each with entirely unique games.

So we have:
- Best for their era.
- Best period, applying modern sensibilities to classic games. Classic games can be and are still excellent, but it's simply false to say they wouldn't suffer from such a criteria.
- Most influential and/or pioneering.
- Personal enjoyment.

...there may be other valid categories.

And I'd actually contend that a list of 10 is far too small for any but the last category. Any of the others would likely need 50-100 to begin to do them justice. So I will give it some thought and post a list, but it will be solely my list, not intended as a commentary on gaming in general.

Agreed, there are too many great games to narrow it down to just ten.

"- Best period, applying modern sensibilities to classic games. Classic games can and are still excellent, but it's simply false to say they wouldn't suffer from such a criteria."

"- Personal enjoyment."

Mine will be a mixture of these two criteria, as I'll try to judge every game by today's standards but I'll also factor in the personal enjoyment I felt as I was playing the game. I'll also be listing them as series unless there is only a single game.

1. System Shock/Bioshock
2. Deus Ex
3. Metal Gear
4. Silent Hill
5. Assassin's Creed
6. Half Life/Counter-Strike/Day of Defeat
7. Portal
8. Prince of Persia
9. Splinter Cell
10. Thief
11. Wolfenstein
12. Doom
13. GoldenEye 007/Perfect Dark
14. Hitman
15. Max Payne
16. Quake/Team Fortress
17. Unreal Tournament/Alien Swarm
18. Crysis
19. Killzone
20. Left 4 Dead

3-18 could change but 1 and 2 are pretty much locked in place. Loved those games.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
I'm sorry, wut?

what do u mean what Halo:ODST u have never heard of it?

not in order, and just my personal favorites. I cant help but think there are other big name games out there that i havent tried that could have easily made my list have i played them.

God of war 3
god of war 2
Zelda, OoT
Ratchet and clank going commando
halo 2
devil may cry 3
mortal kombat 4
ratchet and clank up your arsenal
super smash bros. melee
god of war

these were just the games i remember having a TON of fun while i played them.

Heh, you do know who Sappho was right?

Ok, so taking the "personal enjoyment" criteria outlined here:

Originally posted by Digi
With lists, establishing criteria is probably 95% of it. Because given varying criteria, I could make probably 5 different lists each with entirely unique games.

So we have:
- Best for their era.
- Best period, applying modern sensibilities to classic games. Classic games can be and are still excellent, but it's simply false to say they wouldn't suffer from such a criteria.
- Most influential and/or pioneering.
- Personal enjoyment.

...there may be other valid categories.

And I'd actually contend that a list of 10 is far too small for any but the last category. Any of the others would likely need 50-100 to begin to do them justice. So I will give it some thought and post a list, but it will be solely my list, not intended as a commentary on gaming in general.

...because hybrid criteria would be messy and arbitrary, here's my list:

1. Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II (PC)
2. THQ Wrestling Series (N64 / GC)
3. The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time (N64)
4. Goldeneye (N64)
5. Dark Sun Series (PC)
6. Thief Series (PC)
7. NHL '94 (Genesis)
8. Lords of the Realm II (PC)
9. Tecmo Bowl / Tecmo Super Bowl (NES)
10. The Elder Scrolls Series (Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion) (PC)
HM. Shining Force II (Genesis)

I include series, because I usually find it hard to separate a game from its series when they are closely intertwined.

A few more recent games would likely contend for the list, such as WoW, the Assassin's Creed series, and the Mass Effect and Half-Life games. But I have not had time to accurately place them.

Originally posted by Mister Retsim
2. Deus Ex

I actually stopped playing this about 1/3 of the way through back in the day. Never understood the hype. It was like a less polished version of Thief, set in the future, and with a chessy X-Files plot tacked onto it.

Originally posted by zeroking24
what do u mean what Halo:ODST u have never heard of it?

I know what ODST is.

I'm just wondering what a mediocre overpriced game that was intended to be a DLC is doing on a Top 10 list.

ODST should not even be in a top 1000 list.

Indeed.

Here ya go Neb:

On Chrono Cross:


If the writers had spaced the infodumping out more or added more concrete plotting the story would greatly improve. If, say, Serge met up with demi-humans sooner (witnessing some actual abuse aside from two scenes) and Kid's "brilliant" break-in came after a few more plot events, the player would likely grow more attached to the female lead and empathic to the fantasy racism. As it stands now, you'd never know what the demi-humans are whining about and Kid was just some strange Australian girl who drags you around for some reason. Since nobody bothers to tell you the importance of what's happening until near the very end of the game, Serge and, by extension, the players have no reason to care about plot until Lynx pulls that body-swapping stunt. You are literally just jumping around, doing the random tasks the game orders you to, until the end. You don't get any feeling of accomplishment because it's impossible to say if there's anything to accomplish.

Getting into the issues of the setting: it makes no narrative or thematic sense. Robots, knights, pixies, pirates, time ghosts, and mushroom men are all smooshed together to from a world so random that it's impossible to tell if things are normal or if this is the fault of the Big Bad Evil Thing you're supposed to fight. Chrono Trigger, while far from normal, actually had the enemies and characters fit the setting of the time period you visit (you fight magical stuff in Medieval times, robots and mutants in the future, and dinosaurs in the past). Here you get have no idea if anything is "normal" for the area, making the setting unnecessarily cluttered and preventing the player from believing this is supposed to be a functioning world.

I've already made my issues with the party members clear before, so I'll just say that at least thirty of them should have stayed home in favor of a number that are actually relevant to the plot or main character. An officially sanctioned Silent Protagonist needs more interesting people to speak for him/her. Without that, the game is reduced to just throwing exposition at you and beating you over the head with a theme that seems tacked-on and self-contradictory.

Closing this rant, I say the Chrono Cross was a bold game that introduced a lot of interesting ideas. It just had no idea what to do with any of these ideas and came out a very beautiful mess.

By some dude on Something Awful.

Legacy Of Kain: Soul Reaver
Need For Speed - High Stakes
Resident Evil 4
Tomb Raider: Legend
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Primal
The Getaway: Black Monday
Silent Hill
Oddworld
Juced

Originally posted by Digi

1. Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II (PC)
2. THQ Wrestling Series (N64 / GC)
3. The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time (N64)
4. Goldeneye (N64)
5. Dark Sun Series (PC)
6. Thief Series (PC)
7. NHL '94 (Genesis)
8. Lords of the Realm II (PC)
9. Tecmo Bowl / Tecmo Super Bowl (NES)
10. The Elder Scrolls Series (Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion) (PC)
HM. Shining Force II (Genesis)




NHL 11 is clearly better than NHL 94

This is simply from personal experience and enjoyement:

1. Fallout 3
2. Dead Space
3. Oddworld: Abe's Exodus
4. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
5. Crash Bandicoot (THE ORIGINAL!!)
6. Super Mario Bros. 3
7. Spyro 3 Dawn of the Dragon
8. Ratchet and Clank 2
9. Jak 3
10. Star Wars: The Force Unleashed

10. Silent Hill 2
9. Shadow of the Colossus
8. Shadow of the Colossus
7. Shadow of the Colossus
6. Shadow of the Colossus
5. Shadow of the Colossus
4. Shadow of the Colossus
3. Shadow of the Colossus
2. Shadow of the Colossus
1. Shadow of the Colossus



Also special nod to Koudelka, a survival horror rpg on the orginal Playstationm which I remember being awesome.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
10. Silent Hill 2
9. Shadow of the Colossus
8. Shadow of the Colossus
7. Shadow of the Colossus
6. Shadow of the Colossus
5. Shadow of the Colossus
4. Shadow of the Colossus
3. Shadow of the Colossus
2. Shadow of the Colossus
1. Shadow of the Colossus



Also special nod to Koudelka, a survival horror rpg on the orginal Playstationm which I remember being awesome.

Someone had to make up for the shameful lists that didn't include Shadow of Colossus at all.

Originally posted by Me
In dis order...

1. SFIII 3rd Strike

2. MVC1 and 2

3. SSFIV and Vampire Savior

4. Samurai Showdown I and II

5. GG Accent Core +

6. KOF 98

7. GG XXX Midnight Carnival

8. Project Justice

9. SF Alpha 2 Gold or normal

10. A bunch of other shit.

Yup, mostly fighters.

And Jet Grind Radio, Jet Set Radio Future, KOF 2002UM, Tekken 2 and 3 are all worthy mentions that fall into the "10" Category.

Majora's Mask
Reasons why
This was my first game for my n64. Didn't have as many temples as the others but since it was my first I didn't notice it until later. The game was really diverse and deep overall.


OoT

Reason why.
One of my earliest Zelda games aswell. The feeling at the time was awesome. Really felt like a Grand adventure. Dont know if this or Majora is my favorite Zelda.

Team Fortress 2
Really funny game, and very fun multiplayer. Probably my favorite multiplayer shooter.

Half Life 2.
Reasons why.
The story was really enjoyable and the level variety and atmosphere was great. First Played on 360.

Pokemon Silver
Was one of my favorite games in my youth. Spent so much time on it.

SSBB
Easily my favorite fighting game ever.

Fallout 3.
There is so much to do and so many places to explore this game is perfect to me. Little glitchy and all but I still love it.

Sonic 2.

Reason why
It was my first game ever. Personally I think it's the best of the four classic sonic games.


My overall favorite series

God Of War. All 3 of them

Reasons why
I just cannot help feeling like the biggest badass of all time while playing it. The games do a really good job of immersing me. Apart from that I like the gameplay being challenging enough while not overly complicated, the setting is cool, the main character makes the overall feel and atmosphere really believable and has really cool music and art direction.

Honorable mentions go to Ninja Gaiden and LittleBIGPlanet. LBP2 may replace sonic 2.

1.) StarCraft
2.) WoW
3.) Super Mario 64
4.) Halo: CE
5.) Super Mario Galaxy
6.) Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3
7.) Super Smash Brothers Melee
8.) Resident Evil 4
9.) Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
10.) Scribblenauts

Halo
Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo 3:ODST
Halo Reach
Halo Wars
COD: Black Ops
Fallout 3
Zelda
Mario

Originally posted by zeroking24
Halo 3:ODST



Why? Just Why?

Originally posted by zeroking24
Halo 3:ODST


No.

Originally posted by zeroking24
Halo
Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo 3:ODST
Halo Reach
Halo Wars
COD: Black Ops
Fallout 3
Zelda
Mario
Captain, I'm detecting high levels of bias in this sector.

Originally posted by zeroking24
Halo
Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo 3:ODST
Halo Reach
Halo Wars
COD: Black Ops
Fallout 3
Zelda
Mario

laughcry

I agree completely.

Except for the nintendo games. Nintendo doesn't know how to make good games!

they are all good so dont judge

Originally posted by zeroking24
Halo
Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo 3:ODST
Halo Reach
Halo Wars
COD: Black Ops
Fallout 3
Zelda
Mario

Oh, here's my list:
Might and Magic I
Might and Magic II
Might and Magic III
Might and Magic IV
Might and Magic V
Might and Magic VI
Might and Magic VII
Heroes of Might and Magic II
Heroes of Might and Magic III
Warcraft 3

Originally posted by zeroking24
they are all good so dont judge

I normally wouldn't

Even for most of the Halo Games

But Halo ODST is such a flaming piece of garbage, I refuse to respect your opinion.

Something that was intended to be a DLC doesn't deserve to be on a Top 10 list dude

They should really get on with Warcraft 4 instead of sticking with stinky WOW.

Halo Wars was not good at all.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
I normally wouldn't

Even for most of the Halo Games

But Halo ODST is such a flaming piece of garbage, I refuse to respect your opinion.

Something that was intended to be a DLC doesn't deserve to be on a Top 10 list dude

ok i can say it wasnt the best in the series just because your not a spartan but it still was a good story line to complete the halo series

Originally posted by BackFire
Halo Wars was not good at all.

well if you like strategy games and absolutly love halo than you will like it

Your list should have stopped after Halo 3. The rest of the Halos are garbage. Even Halo: Reach is terrible. My list in no order.

Donkey Kong Country (SNES)
Killer Instincts (SNES)
Pokemon Ruby (GBA)
The Legend of Zelda and the Ocarina of Time (N64)
Super Smash Bros. (N64)
Final Fantasy VII (PS)
Final Fantasy VIII (PS)
Halo 3 (XB360)
Modern Warfare 2 (XB360)
Gears of War (XB360)

Honorable Mentions
Prince of Persia Trilogy (PS2)
Gears of War 2 (XB360)
Halo 1 & 2 (Xbox)
Mario 64 & Mario Kart 64 (N64)
Final Fantasy IX (PS1)
Portal (Xbox 360)

lol What? Reach is leagues above Halo 3, not that I would put it on a top 10 list or anything.

Hao 3 was pretty garbage.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Hao 3 was pretty garbage.

All the Halo games are garbage. Sub-par graphics, boring derivative story, cookie cutter game play. It's for frat boy douche bags who need something to play in between COD and Madden and preteen boys who want to live vicariously by projecting themselves on the character void that is Master Chief. Halo is the equivalent of a Michael Bay movie.

Halo's graphics have always been good for their time, so I dunno what you mean by that. As for storyline, it's story isn't any worse than most other games' stories. I'd agree that the Halo franchise isn't that good, but it's still better than at least the majority of the crap out there. Better than any of Nintendo or Sony's FPS exclusives, for sure.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Halo's graphics have always been good for their time, so I dunno what you mean by that. As for storyline, it's story isn't any worse than most other games' stories. I'd agree that the Halo franchise isn't that good, but it's still better than at least the majority of the crap out there. Better than any of Nintendo or Sony's FPS exclusives, for sure.

The graphics were good on the original X-Box for the time, but nothing on 360 has been up to par, I mean Reach doesn't hold a candle to the original Gears and it's more than three years apart... and Gears 2 is on a completely different level.

Killzone 2 and Resistance 1-2 are better than any of the Halos on the 360.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The graphics were good on the original X-Box for the time, but nothing on 360 has been up to par, I mean Reach doesn't hold a candle to the original Gears and it's more than three years apart... and Gears 2 is on a completely different level.

You think so? I feel like the textures and animations from Reach are way better than in Gears 2.



Haha, not even breh. None of the Killzone or Resistance games are better than any of the Halos. 'sides graphics.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
You think so? I feel like the textures and animations from Reach are way better than in Gears 2.



Haha, not even breh. None of the Killzone or Resistance games are better than any of the Halos. 'sides graphics.

I'd agree that the animations are more fluid than Gears but the textures are blah.

Killzone 2 and Resistance 1 (I hated 2), were better than any of the Halos on the 360 in virtually everyway, but not as good as Gears... but Gears is a third person shooter, so maybe it should be compared to Uncharted.

you guys dont know anything about halo i am an expert at halo and the story so if u have ever read any of there books you would like a lot more too and btw the graphics are amazing for what they did since halo 1. and reach is amazing so if u think otherwise you can got bring it up with an Elite haha

Originally posted by zeroking24
reach is amazing so if u think otherwise you can got bring it up with an Elite haha

I'm not entirely sure what you just said tbh.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I'm not entirely sure what you just said tbh.

it was a joke gosh

Originally posted by zeroking24
you guys dont know anything about halo i am an expert at halo and the story so if u have ever read any of there books you would like a lot more too and btw the graphics are amazing for what they did since halo 1. and reach is amazing so if u think otherwise you can got bring it up with an Elite haha


I think you should spend less time playing Halo and more time going to English Class...

Originally posted by zeroking24
ok i can say it wasnt the best in the series just because your not a spartan but it still was a good story line to complete the halo series


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Enjoy.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'd agree that the animations are more fluid than Gears but the textures are blah.

Killzone 2 and Resistance 1 (I hated 2), were better than any of the Halos on the 360 in virtually everyway, but not as good as Gears... but Gears is a third person shooter, so maybe it should be compared to Uncharted.
Meh, it's just the engines, I don't think Gears engine would work for Halo at all

Originally posted by General_Iroh
Meh, it's just the engines, I don't think Gears engine would work for Halo at all

I don't know about that, Gears uses the Unreal Engine 3, and it is a pretty open and dynamic engine. I think Halo on the Unreal Engine would pretty much be Unreal Tournament 3 with a single player campaign...

Top 10 Games are as below :

1. Counter Strike
2. Final Fantasy
3. Halo 2
4. Call of Duty
5. Galaxy
6. Super Mario
7. Bomber man
8. NFS
9. GTA vice city
10. San anderson