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Shaman X-Man/God Like Cable, Vulcan Prime, and Mimic.

TBH I don't know. I really don't know.

vulcan prime?

Surfer alone could pawn it by playing around with the x-gene.

What's Vulcan Prime?

I don't think it really matters.

Amalagam one stomps badly. Heck surfer probably does it alone

Originally posted by Raoul
vulcan prime?

With Darwin, Petra, and Sway abilities.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Surfer alone could pawn it by playing around with the x-gene.

I have yet to see, if Surfer can play with X-Gene with mutants of Magneto’s caliber or higher.

Originally posted by id369
With Darwin, Petra, and Sway abilities.



I have yet to see, if Surfer can play with X-Gene with mutants of Magneto’s caliber or higher.

It shoudnt really matter should it? I mean as long as mags himself doesnt have the matter manip skills even close to surfers level he cant do anything about it. Also iirc didnt he lobotomize God like cable?

superman, thor and silver surfer can solo this x-men amalagam. making an amalgam of them is spite.

Amal 1 doesn't pound Amal 2 into dust in the 1st minute (which I think they can) Amal 1 loses. Amal 2 would do things with his mind that nothing Amal 1 can do about it (maybe SS might be able to resist it but idk thats a long shot).

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
superman, thor and silver surfer can solo this x-men amalagam. making an amalgam of them is spite.

You think the herald alone rapes?
X-Men amalgam has a clear benefice of power stacking over the Herald Team.

amalgam loses

No one herald is going to beat the X-man amalgam, I don't even know why people are saying this.

Darwin's powerset is going to be a %"$%^ to put down unless he self BFR's himself.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Amalagam one stomps badly. Heck surfer probably does it alone





Yup

I give it to the xmen amalagam; just to much raw power and there are some that is mixed with this alma that could stalemate/beat surfer.

I'd say Amalgam 1 would take it but it won't be a stomp Amalgam 2 would need to wear down...Darwins abilities make A2 a bit of a pain to dispose of but if A1 starts chucking black holes everywhere he may as well BFR himself.

What are the rules on self BFR and Supermans strength/weaknesses/amping/weakining to radiation in tandem with Surfer's abilities? How does that work?

Surfer pretty much negates a telepathic assault since Moondragon with the Mind Gem couldn't do jack.

Potentially I see darwin by himself being an apocalypse level character

When Darwin was captured and encased in glass he developed superstrength to break free... Given ample time.... Ie darwin power is stacked on a highly durable and high hf character there is no telling the possibilities.... Therefore I can't answer as I don't know if Vulcan prime would be the same as Darwin alone and even then what Darwin could achieve

Originally posted by Ambient
I really don't see why not.. Here's an example of him manipulating not x-gene but a deviant gene;

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4488/silversurferannual0214mn4.jpg

Turned Ghaur back from a floating plasma cloud to his true self (deviant form).. His around Mags level maybe even above "debatable"..

Darwin ability to port out to safety as soon as his body could no longer adapt would be quite hard to counter specially pair it with Shaman nate reality jumps however i think its still in Surfers powerset to boldly go where Darwin/Shaman nate go..lol

You cant really go there, i mean speaking of documented untapped power amalgam ones rooster is just ridiculous say T-vo, surpassing Galactus, Odin force Thor..

If where only dealing with Surfer durability alone yes but then you've got a juice up Supes durability and Thor on top.. I don't think this amalgam could be hurt at all..

I'm seing Amalgam 1 ftw, a hard fought battle dough.. I don't see where Surfer manipulated the deviant gene.

I hope you aren't saying SS has the potential to surpass Galactus.

Thing is all the amalgam 1 rooster have a high tp resistance and they have also manage to clock phase opponent before.. If they wanna go with that strat..

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't see where Surfer manipulated the deviant gene.

I hope you aren't saying SS has the potential to surpass Galactus.
Ghaur was matter manipulated by Uni-mind turned him into a plasma or emphemerial cloud.. I dont have the scan prior to the one i posted but the geist was Surfer power (matter manip) allowed Ghaur to changed/turned to anything he so chooses.. Manipulation of every single atom within a single being >>>> genes...

Its been document a few times in comics.. Just saying cause it was mentioned that Shaman nate have unlimited untapped energy potential, a speculation therefore i also slight speculated.. lol

Originally posted by Ambient
Ghaur was matter manipulated by Uni-mind turned him into a plasma or emphemerial cloud.. I dont have the scan prior to the one i posted but the geist was Surfer power (matter manip) allowed Ghaur to changed/turned to anything he so chooses.. Manipulation of every single atom within a single being >>>> genes...

Its been document a few times in comics.. Just saying cause it was mentioned that Shaman nate have unlimited untapped energy potential, a speculation therefore i also slight speculated.. lol So any matter manipulator in Marvel could turn off someones x-gene? The way people always say SS could do it I thought there was an actually instance of him, well, actually doing it.

Admittedly you have probably read more appearances of SS, but he is not surpassing Galactus. Not that I'm trying to accept statements made about Nate as fact either.

Originally posted by Mindset
So any matter manipulator in Marvel could turn off someones x-gene? The way people always say SS could do it I thought there was an actually instance of him, well, actually doing it.

Admittedly you have probably read more appearances of SS, but he is not surpassing Galactus. Not that I'm trying to accept statements made about Nate as fact either.
Not at all, i did not say that... I am only reffering to Surfer's behalf as he has the feat to back it up.. for example; The boy Gabriel, Ghaur, God Cable, etc.. etc..

Like i say its been documented.. Its one speculation... Is all..

Originally posted by Ambient
Not at all, i did not say that... I am only reffering to Surfer's behalf as he has the feat to back it up.. for example; The boy Gabriel, Ghaur, God Cable, etc.. etc..

Like i say its been documented.. Its one speculation... Is all.. Are you naming people that could turn off someone's x-gene, or people that have been altered by SS, because all SS did to Cable was blast his arm off.

Originally posted by Mindset
Are you naming people that could turn off someone's x-gene, or people that have been altered by SS, because all SS did to Cable was blast his arm off.
Wasnt too clear about that, i was naming people that have been altered by Surfer..

My take on that Cable ark is that Surfer cut off Cable connection to his otmost potential then it was Deadpool doing to fully lobotomized part of the brain that houses those powers.. cont.. later.. back to work..

I believe that Team two benefits from the amaglam in the sense that they would be able to spam attacks, capable of levaling down continents with out running the risk of burning out.

Continent levelling attacks are nice and all but surfer is easily a planet buster while holding back immensely. And as for attack spamming, surfer is faster than the X amalgam by a huge degree and while he can take its attacks pretty well, it will find it hard to take his.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Continent levelling attacks are nice and all but surfer is easily a planet buster while holding back immensely. And as for attack spamming, surfer is faster than the X amalgam by a huge degree and while he can take its attacks pretty well, it will find it hard to take his.

Cable was able to keep up with Lightmasters speed.

Originally posted by id369
Cable was able to keep up with Lightmasters speed.

Not really, lightmaster was just going round and round cable but not actually blasting him or anything. then he stopped and cable telekinetically wrapped him in some debris and iirc teleported him to the moon. different ballgame with surfer.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Not really, lightmaster was just going round and round cable but not actually blasting him or anything. then he stopped and cable telekinetically wrapped him in some debris and iirc teleported him to the moon. different ballgame with surfer. You think Surfer alone could beat this amalgam?

Originally posted by Naija boy
Not really, lightmaster was just going round and round cable but not actually blasting him or anything. then he stopped and cable telekinetically wrapped him in some debris and iirc teleported him to the moon. different ballgame with surfer.

When did he stop? I mean specifically did Lightmaster stopped from moving around?

Originally posted by id369
When did he stop? I mean specifically did Lightmaster stopped from moving around?

Yeah he seemed to stop and say "what does it take to shut you up" then cable wraps him in the debris.

Originally posted by Mindset
You think Surfer alone could beat this amalgam?

I see no reason provided as to why he cant. He is superior in most aspects.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Yeah he seemed to stop and say "what does it take to shut you up" then cable wraps him in the debris.
Oh fantastic analytical skills except, you missed the how he was moving the entire time, those after-images indicate movement.

Originally posted by id369
Oh fantastic analytical skills except, you missed the how he was moving the entire time, those after-images indicate movement.

Uh.... yeah they do indicate movement, from one point to another. When he makes the statement however he is stationary and the direction of the afterimages show this. The next we see of him he is being trapped by debris while in seemingly stationary position as well.

No I disagree, Lightmaster was never stationary until Cable caught him. The scan makes it vary obvious that Lightmaster was moving around, up until Cable catches him with building debris.

Originally posted by id369
No I disagree, Lightmaster was never stationary until Cable caught him. The scan makes it vary obvious that Lightmaster was moving around, up until Cable catches him with building debris.

No. We see the faded images behind lightmaster and then we see the thick image ( lightmasters actual body) in one position making a statement. The direction of the afterimages show that lightmaster moved from one postion to another. Also it is irrlevant anyways as physically, cable was unable to keep up with lightmaster and the method he used to take him out wud be useless against surfer.

Speak no but thinks yeah in ref. to moving at ftl.. He'd be moving faster than the speed of sound.. lol

Originally posted by Ambient
Speak no but thinks yeah in ref. to moving at ftl.. He'd be moving faster than the speed of sound.. lol
Come to think of it yeah you can speak but the dialoque box should not be in the present location where the char. is but rather maybe in the after image when moving above or at ftl.. mehhh.. lol

Who would mimic copy mutant powers from?

I call bullshit on Cable being a match for Surfer. It was painfully obvious that as much as he was keeping up, that he was fighting a losing battle. And in case you forgot, after the board was smashed, Surfer put him down with one shot.

Surfer alone might or might not win this. But the combined amalgam has more than enough to end this.

" The output is sufficient to put down the great beasts? Nice. However, what feats do the Great beasts have to put them above surfer level? especially durability wise? "

I personally think Nate doing anything to them is BS. But sufficit to say, one Great Beast could probably solo the field, if they didn't BFR back home it in 20 minutes.

Amalgam 1:

Versality and speed of Silver Surfer
Energy Soak and experience of Thor
Punches of Superman

This would be a walking nightmare.

Godlike Cable lost to Surfer already. X-Man is a tough s.o.b, but Surfer have shown that his Willpower is maybe the greatest in the MU and would probably resist it. Everything that would be thrown at them would be stop/block by a combinason of both Cosmic Awarness / Mjorlnir.
And the worst is this:
Powered by sunlight + Power Cosmic = Always on his prime.

I don't see anything that amalgam 2 could possibly do to stop the whooping.

Amalgam 1 10/10

An action that isnt their? Are u serious? lulz.





Why do u insist on this gibberish? If this is ur summary of my argument then i advise u to go and learn how to read and comprehend before u type this nonsense. "There is no forth ground to indicate lightmaster EVER stopping only the fact that he stopped dead in its tracks" ? What does this garbage even mean? . On the page prior to the one being referenced, we see nearly the exact same action being performed : lightmaster performs a rush on cable stops and makes a statement. We see the afterimages of lightmaster behind him and we see his actual body stationary in an upright position. this indicates his movement and stoppage. This is the same action portrayed on the page prior to the one which lightmaster is trapped in debris.



In all seriousness why do u persist on putting ur own stupid words into my mouth? I never said that blasts that destroy surfers board will have no effect on him. I said that they will not destroy him in similar manner to how his board was destroyed. What u think common sense dictates is absolutely irrelevant as u are basing ur opinion on speculation. THE ON PANEL FACT is that surfer has taken numerous blasts that destroyed his board without even being koed let alone destroyed. Surfer having his board smashed over his head is in no way similar to receiving a blast that destroyed his board ( which instance are u even referencing?) not only because it is blunt force but also because it would depend on the actual force with which the board was smashed on him which would vary greatly regrdless of whether his board breaks or not. To say that anything that can destroy surfers board can do similar to surfer is just a flat out lie and is unsupported by on panel evidence.




I can argue that cable mentioning that he is running three tenths of a second early was not to be taking literally seeing as he didnt even want the calculations earlier and also that given the context of the panels the calculation is even incorrect but even if we accept it, it does not put him anywhere near surfers level of thinking or processing speed. Not even close. If u need feats no problem




This is the part of this post that just shows u have no idea of what u r talking about. "The Speedblitz failed, because Surfer caught him" What the hell? it failed because surfer caught him? My god. THE SPEEDBLITZ DID NOT FAIL. It succeeded BECAUSE he was able to catch cable OFF GUARD. U cannot claim that cable reacted to surfers blitz BECAUSE IN ACTUALITY HE DID NOT!! Moreover, why are u bringing surfers character into this? Is it in surfers character to prolong a battle that would harm innocents? No. Was he prolonging it however? For some reason Yes. Not that any of that is even relevant in the first place. After surfer blitzed cable and grabbed and hold of him, he began to carry him and really didnt do much in the way of attacking. why was this? I dont know but THE FACT remains that
all cable did was break surfers grip and then destroy his board. He DIDNT REACT TO SURFERS BLITZ BECAUSE THE BLITZ WAS ALREADY OVER!!!! Cable saying hmm i didnt see that coming is of absolutely no relevance here. What more could i want from a character reacting to a blitz u say? Well for starters, the character actually reacting to it would be great.




Cable did not and physically react at FTL speeds. With some reaching we may be able to conclude that his brain was able to process at such speeds and hence the erection of a forcefield. However my point is that aside forcefields his durability and the amalgams durability as well is relatively low. Aside that it has no form of defence against surfer and as we saw in the cable fight surfer does not even need to use his best blasts to take it down. Hence surfer is superior to the amalgam in the defensive category as well.



While defeating the great beast is impressive, it is still trumped by surfers high end feats. No explaining the depth of surfers matter manipulation powers is not at all pointless. The fight with surfer may be the best feat for cable but its not at all surfers best or even close. In the fight against cable surfer held back immensely. For heavens sake he blasted cable only once and thats proof enough. So surfer not matter manipulating cable frankly doesnt do anything to help ur case at all. Also, i never said that surfers best blasts always create blackholes but since u were bringing up the best feats from ur end i simply brought up the best feats from surfer in order to show their and his superiority. Respecting characters power is one thing however im not going to base my argument on speculation without any concrete feats to back it up. Why u r bringing thor into this
I really have no idea.




The X men amalgam does not outclass surfer at all and u have done absolutely nothing to prove it. Surfer has it beaten on nearly all counts from, speed,manoevrability and overall durability, to versatility and overall poweroutput. He is superior on offense and defense so saying he is outclassed is just laughable