Yo.
Originally posted by Naija boy
I just rechecked that so yeah thats true but it also means that modam actually didnt bypass his mental defences and we cant downplay them for that.
well that was my point from the beginning: that he didnt ALWAYS have mental defenses, and even then things have gotten thru. I *did* say that, remember?
Originally posted by Naija boy
He was dealing with control issues but NOT because it was a psionic attack but because his synapses had been fried. She kept the synapse disruptor focused on him so that she could continue to work in excess of the one hour time limit of the intial blast.
ok, so let me ask U this: if the synapse disruptor had been used on him while his m-def's were active..........would it have worked??
and like I said b4: it affectd his mind, so Im fine w/calling it a mental atk. much like Oracle making him see ppl who really werent there.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Quasar didnt go anywhere cuz he partially resisted the body switching attack. The result doesnt change the type of the attack itself though which was a body swicthing attack. Also even if it was psionic, the attack is not something that i see MM as capable of replicating.
wasnt trying to imply that MM could do so, but that said even if it was partly resisted, that also means it was partly successful, correct? and the general consensus was that Elvis' DEF had never been thwarted......correct?
Originally posted by Naija boy
No no u are misunderstanding me. U claimed that Qusar HAD to fight warlock in order to absorb his energy. I explained that he did not HAVE to fight warlock to absorb it at all. At first he did begin foolishly to fight warlock h2h. But he soon realised that that was a foolish method of fighting and decided to simply absorb warlocks energy while interrogating him about Thanos and his aims. Also i explained that during the ACTUAL interrogation Quasar didnt use his nunchaku as he was simply absorbing warlocks energy.
and U've misunderstood me: my position wasnt that he HAD TO FIGHT to drain him, only that THEY WERE FIGHTING and during theyre skirmish he did so. he didnt just go "ok, drain time!" and sucked away, cuz I really dont see Gruenwald herbing AW like that......
Originally posted by Naija boy
No no no. WWH didnt beat surfer in the true sense of it. First of all u have to realize that surfer was extremely weakened before he started that fight ( coudnt even use his power cosmic). Further he wasnt fighting against just hulk but against hulk and the entire warbound. Further still he was actually thrashing all of them. They werent beating him in any way. He was superior throughout all of the fight. The only time hulk became dominant is when he broke the obedience disk of surfer ( which was forcing him to fight) and surfer no longer was fighting him. At that point hulk began viciously attacking a surfer who wasnt fighting back. That was not at all the similar to the hulk sentry fight.
so, in the End Hulk stomped on a SS who was no longer being held back yes?? and the winner was.......?
but ok, I see yur point.
Originally posted by Naija boy
He was absorbing and redirecting phoenixes energy. HE even mentions that most of it was under the control of his quantum bands and immediately after that modred realizes that phoenix couldnt defeat Quasar and then blindsides him with the Crimson bands of cyttorak. Further im not sure what u r talking about with him meeting Binary because Quasar actually entered the sun for a period of time in that issue while trying to save the sun. And also yes he HAS absorbed an entire star before it happened in Quasar 16.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6672/vsphoenix1.jpg
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1) by his own admission, absorbing her energy wasnt working out for him, due in part to multi-tasking, so he had to switch to re-directing wat she threw at him; if anything it comes across that absorbing HER wouldve been a major task for him under solo conditions, and as it happened was pretty much a worthless tactic.
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2) so in-effect, he LEECHED off of a star to make a light-show, and not ABSORBED A STAR. the 2 arent the same, and the result is far less than impressive when U see just wat it was done for.
also, he dove into the Sun to rescue Binary who over-expended herself doing something he himself couldnt do (thats not a slight to him tho), and hauls @$$ outta wat Im pretty sure was the Corona as his shields we failing him (same as we found out in ish #8, where he could barely deal with the heat from either the planets Mantle, or its Core). and like I said, he covered the both of them with his cape becuz he couldnt handle the light.
Originally posted by Naija boy
No once again u are misunderstanding me, Forum rules state that a character has common knowledge of their opponent before the fight starts.
ok, fair enuff, but the rules also state that they'll also battle according to their normal personality, which means that SS *isnt* going to just be hitting Kara w/k-rads or RS-rads, and Quasar isnt going to just start draining her or Sentry.
if yur gonna use the rules then lets use ALL of them, ok?
Originally posted by Naija boy
Also in regards to Quasar, Adamantium and antimatterare not things that Quasar is particularly weak against. They are just a few among the many other things that Quasar powers have no control over. They are not similar to supergirls Knite and Red sun radiation weakness. Frankly using antimatter and adamantium is an attack that would be effective on nearly anyone not only quasar. SS not using that line of attack doesnt in any way degrade his Cosmic awareness which in actuality HAS shown on quite a few occasions the ability to tell SS specific details about a particular individuals.
its a weakness much in the way that magic is to Superman, in that its not something he has any notable protection against, and is in-effect an equalizer. so in their fight, if SS had been using that CE the way yur assuming he *would* here, then he'd have deduced that Elvis lacks any form of matter-manip and either wouldve encapsulated him thusly, or simply converted the QBs themselves.
and yet.....that didnt happen. where was the CE then??
Originally posted by Naija boy
I meant to say ethereal energy, it is basically the energy that SS uses to encase people in hard shells similar to his cosmic glaze and immobilize them but not hurt them. ( Hes used this attack on spiderman, Daredevil, Galactus, Carnage, firelord etc.)
oh ok, but then I have to ask how many ppl of Karas physical class have been entrapped by it w/o being able to break free?
Originally posted by Naija boy
Im not sure what bricks u r talking about against SS ( or even Quasar for that matter who has a stellar record against energy based opponents like those present in this match) because he usually easily defeats and even toys with the bricks he faces.
Quantum gave him serious probs, he didnt defeat Gladiator, if U count JLA/Avengers then WW shut him down (understandable if ya dont), Doc Spectrum cut *right thru* everything he dished out (and wasnt drained either), Makk is an energy-based being and was only stopped becuz *he* was playing around, there was that pair of alien brother that basically made him wish he'd left them alone, Tyrak tore thru most of wat was thrown at him, and need I mention Annihilus??
those R just a sample of bricks & energy-based beings who didnt get defeated "or toyed with".
Originally posted by Naija boy
Also that logic in itself doesnt fly because on KMC we use the characters to their full capacity. Its ABC logic to think just because Quasar lost to "person A" in a comic he would lose to "person B" on KMC. Many things such as circumstances and PIS come into play in comics that are absent on KMC because the character will be able to fight to his or her full capacity. As i said Ss and quasar are just too all round powerful for the other team
ok, so based on that then we have a speed-blitzing kryptonian, a semi-psychotic SSS-user who would have little issues in pulling Elvis's arms off OR punching his head off, and MM who would have little issue in stopping his heart by phasing his hand thru his chest.
or rather, its completely ABC-logic to think that 2 out of the opponents would get herbed (or pwnt, if U will) in this match simply becuz they ARE energy-users in some way shape or form, seeing as how both HAVE LOST to other energy users.
if U dont like ABC-logic, then dont use it yurself is all Im saying.
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