Sephiroth vs Prince

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Ultimate Wil
Sephiroth from FF7-AC

vs

Prince from the PoP

These are there Ultimate forms. Who takes it?

Burning thought
The prince with the finest of ease

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by Burning thought
The prince with the finest of ease

hystericalI knew you were going to say that

Sephiroth teleports behind Prince and cuts him in half.

Burning thought
yeeehhh, just like Nero can use Devil bringer when almost frozen in time.

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by Burning thought
yeeehhh, just like Nero can use Devil bringer when almost frozen in time.

1. Nero would have Prince grabbed and thrown before he can freeze time. Just because someone has time powers doesn't make them automatically stronger.

2. Sephiroth would teleport behind Prince and cut him in half before time is frozen.

Burning thought
1. It doesnt because the time powers of Prince happen pretty much instantly, and it makes them much more difficult to defeat considering Nero has no resistant to time powers.

2. Time is frozen instantly on the princes whim. Sephiroth would be too slow. And even if for some odd reason Prince hesitates, he can rewind time and play the event from another angle onyl this time be aware of Sephiroths actions.

fascistcrusader
Sephiroth easily. He'd have the Prince in small pieces before the Prince could react.

k1Lla441
i dont know how in any way this is not spite. seph wins blindfolded tied upside down haning over a pit of lava.

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. It doesnt because the time powers of Prince happen pretty much instantly, and it makes them much more difficult to defeat considering Nero has no resistant to time powers.

2. Time is frozen instantly on the princes whim. Sephiroth would be too slow. And even if for some odd reason Prince hesitates, he can rewind time and play the event from another angle onyl this time be aware of Sephiroths actions.

1. Nero grabbing and throwing Prince before time powers are activated, smile.

2. You slowed down speed, but Sephiroth can still teleport away from every attack, so if Prince activates his time powers before Sephiroth completly destroys Prince, then Prince would still be in deep shit.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Sephiroth easily. He'd have the Prince in small pieces before the Prince could react.

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Burning thought
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
1. Nero grabbing and throwing Prince before time powers are activated, smile.

2. You slowed down speed, but Sephiroth can still teleport away from every attack, so if Prince activates his time powers before Sephiroth completly destroys Prince, then Prince would still be in deep shit.



1. impossible, show me Nero grabbing an opponent within an instant of time

2. no he cant teleport, he would be massively slow, so his brain waves and patterns will be equelly slow, unless Sephiroth is given an enormous advantage by the prince being miles away or giving Sephiroth tonnes of terrain to simply hide about in Sephiroth will fall, slashed to pieces while slowed to a crawl.

Gumachi
Prince stabs himself making, himself immortal.



@Wil, He can't grab him, it's like he slows time down with his mind. And he can always rewind time and/or look into the future.


Actually, Prince can go back in time and kill Seph. when he was born. He stabs himself making himself immortal, and his powers are infinite



Prince can also hit ravages of time

Gumachi
NVM, about infinite powers. I'm shure Seph. wins this one easily. After all Prince is a human with time powers.

King-Fingolfin
Sephiroth pulls a Prince and freezes time on his ass. He then proceeds to kill his ass.

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General Kaliero
Sephiroth wins when all his fanboys just dogpile on the Prince and he suffocates.

Neo Darkhalen
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Sephiroth wins when all his fanboys just dogpile on the Prince and he suffocates.

Same usual tactic for every match he's in, I'd say.

Burning thought
Originally posted by King-Fingolfin
Sephiroth pulls a Prince and freezes time on his ass. He then proceeds to kill his ass.

smile


lol Sephiroth cant freeze time, unless you mean cast a spell, sorry but Prince doesnt give his oppoent 20 minutes to finish casting such a spell.

Prince wins with ease on a neutral battleground. Sephiroth cannot do anything to such quick time powers.

fascistcrusader
And the Prince can't use his time powers if he has a blade through his heart. Sephiroth can teleport and is much, much, much, much faster than the Prince, he would easily slaughter him before any time powers could be used.

ThunderGodEneru
I would love to hear where people are getting this Sephiroth can teleport bullshit.

Although he does win, by the time time is slowed, Prince will be dead.

fascistcrusader
Crisis Core. He could teleport even before his post Nibelheim boost.

ThunderGodEneru
Wasn't that just t3h faster than eye can see movement?

fascistcrusader
No, he does have faster than eye can follow movement, but he is legit teleporting in the fight against Zack.

ThunderGodEneru
I'll just take your word for it rather than argue a game which I have never played

Gumachi
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
And the Prince can't use his time powers if he has a blade through his heart. Sephiroth can teleport and is much, much, much, much faster than the Prince, he would easily slaughter him before any time powers could be used.

If he can fall in a spike bed and rewind time he can do the same with a blade in his heart. Besides, if he's dead he can just rewind time stick out tongue

2:18-2:20 there will be no such thing as "before he uses his time powers."
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@1:23-Ravages of Time, he will be 1000x times faster while Seph is slow as a snail. And don't forget Prince, has the medallion.
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King-Fingolfin
Originally posted by Burning thought
lol Sephiroth cant freeze time, unless you mean cast a spell, sorry but Prince doesnt give his oppoent 20 minutes to finish casting such a spell.


Nice exaggeration.

Gumachi
If Seph was to slow time, and Prince slows time. It will just disable both timelines, bringing everything back to normal.

ThunderGodEneru
How will Prince use time powers when his head is sliced in half, thus making the Prince unable to form a thought? erm

Gumachi
Hmm, Good point. But what if Prince, freezes Seph?

ThunderGodEneru
Assuming he is still alive to do so...

Gumachi
Good point. But Prince has fought enemies that can teleport.

ThunderGodEneru
True, but did they also have the speed of Sephiroth, along with the long weapon he wields with ease?

When he teleports near him, and slashes, will Prince be able to stop it?

Gumachi
That's what I mean, they didn't have the speed of Seph. But he faced Dahaka who could teleport yards at a time.

ScreamPaste
You're all forgetting prince can rewind. Seph tries his cheap crap once, then Prince rewinds it, slows time, (and Seph wouldn't even realise time was slowed, his perception of time passing goes unaltered.) Then, when Seph teleports behind him, like you all say he'll do, Prince knows exactly what's happening, and sticks the dagger of time in his eye.

King-Fingolfin
Prince wouldn't get the chance to do that, because Sephiroth's blade would be sticking through his face.

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k1Lla441
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're all forgetting prince can rewind. Seph tries his cheap crap once, then Prince rewinds it, slows time, (and Seph wouldn't even realise time was slowed, his perception of time passing goes unaltered.) Then, when Seph teleports behind him, like you all say he'll do, Prince knows exactly what's happening, and sticks the dagger of time in his eye.
All seph needs is to try his "cheap crap" one time and thats enough to kill prince.

ScreamPaste
Originally posted by k1Lla441
All seph needs is to try his "cheap crap" one time and thats enough to kill prince.

you'd be amazed how resilient the human body is. The instant Prince realises he's halved, he undoes said halving, and is no longer halved. Seph cannot undo being poked in the eye.

Gumachi
Prince can look into the future, and see ALL of Seph's moves. It doesn't matter if a blade is in his face, he still can rewind/slow time. And Seph. can't do anything if time is stopped. Prince, probably could stab himself, making himself immortal. Play Prince of Persia. You'd know he can just rewind time, even if Prince is dead, he can just rewind time. Ravages of Time?

Burning thought
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
And the Prince can't use his time powers if he has a blade through his heart. Sephiroth can teleport and is much, much, much, much faster than the Prince, he would easily slaughter him before any time powers could be used.


Time powers happen instantly, pretty much at the same time Sephiroth would even move, he would be by far slower when he arrives which is the best time Pricne could easily annhilate the fool. And yes he can use time powers with a blade through his heart, he uses time powers any time he dies, from being crushed, falling, impaled on spikes etc etc and even when being disintegrated by the Dahaka.

Also show me Sephiroth moving instantly, Sephiroth is quick but not that quick, Sephiroth wouldnt be able to teleport AND slash prince in half or decapiatate him before Prince time slows because prince time slow is pretty much as quick as Sephs movement if not quicker, if you look at any of the vids the effect happens on a whim.

ThunderGodEneru
Sephiroth makes Cloud look slow, who casually blocks bullets while weakened.

He can instantaneously teleport, I just checked the vid, it's true.

And how will Prince use time powers when his brain is destroyed? He can't think to use them.

Burning thought
He uses a giant sword to block obvious shots and where does he make Cloud look slow?

what vid? show? and regardless, he will simply instantly teleport, as Prince instantly slows time and then hes fvucked because Prince merely has to turn around.

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It seems here that Prince doesnt have to think to turn back time, it would have to be automatic, that is a given anyway considering youve hardly got the ability to think of much impaled OR while the time is turning back choose where you want to stop.

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. impossible, show me Nero grabbing an opponent within an instant of time

2. no he cant teleport, he would be massively slow, so his brain waves and patterns will be equelly slow, unless Sephiroth is given an enormous advantage by the prince being miles away or giving Sephiroth tonnes of terrain to simply hide about in Sephiroth will fall, slashed to pieces while slowed to a crawl.

1. It doesnn't need to be an instant of time, as he crushed Savior with it.

2. Yeah, just because you slow down time doesn't mean he loses some of his abilities. Sephiroth is way faster than Prince, and he teleports behind him and uses octaslash before Prince blinks smile.

Burning thought
1. wtf is crushing saviour got to do anything? its worthless if Nero has not enough time to do anything which he wouldnt.

2. You do lose abilities ,you lose speed, you loose the will to be able to do abilities before Prince kills you. Sephiroth is faster than prince, not than Princes dagger and not faster than prince when its instantly activated.

Prince slows time while doubling his own speed and then slices Sephiroth into bloody rags and steels the Masurmane.

Gumachi
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
2. Yeah, just because you slow down time doesn't mean he loses some of his abilities. Sephiroth is way faster than Prince, and he teleports behind him and uses octaslash before Prince blinks smile.

Not if he's slowed or stopped. Prince looks into the future, and dodges his attacks. Prince can also use Ravages of Time.

And BT is right, he can be sucked in by Dahakaand he can still rewind time. Even if he can teleport, Prince is going to be fast enough to reenact to Seph if time is slowed. He will just rewind time over and over and Prince has fought people that can teleport. Prince's powers can be infinite if he uses the Sand Wraith mask.

"While wearing the Mask of the Wraith, the Prince retains his personality, memories and his fighting skills, including his mastery of various weapons. This suggests that although the Mask has deformed his physical appearance, it is not possessed by another conscious being. As the sandwraith, the Prince can manipulate time WITHOUT LIMIT!, as his sand tanks fill themselves up automatically. However, the Mask depletes the Prince’s lifebar even when not struck or hurt in any way, however it will not kill him but reduce the lifebar to 25%. "

Gumachi
The Power of Revival: The power to rewind time up to ten seconds, undoing almost everything that happened during that time (death, injuries, movement, etc.) Rewinding time cannot undo killing an enemy created by the Sands of Time, as doing so resets the timer.

The Power of Delay: Time is slowed down for everything, with the Prince moving slightly faster than his enemies, allows for finer control and making attacks unblockable.

The Power of Restraint: Provided they don't block, most enemies stabbed by the Dagger of Time are frozen in time. Once knocked off their feet in this state, they can be killed in a single hit (the Prince's backflip move can do so instantly), the downside of which being that the Sands they possess cannot be absorbed by the Dagger. If left alone, the enemy returns to normal after a few seconds.

The Power of Haste: A combination of Delay and Restraint, Haste freezes every enemy around the Prince and causes him to move instantly from one enemy to the next. Like with Restraint, enemies can be killed in a single hit if knocked off their feet.

The Power of Destiny: Shows the Prince visions of possible futures by standing in Sand Storms.

Prince of Persia: Warrior Within:

Time Travel: Travel between two periods in time using Time Portals.

Recall: Same as Revival in Sands of Time, but only eight seconds instead of ten.

Eye of the Storm: Enhanced form of "Delay" in Sands of Time. Time slows down, but the Prince is unaffected, allowing for more effective attacks or more time to avoid traps.

Breath of Fate: Strong 360 degree attack that blasts multiple enemies away from the Prince but does little harm to them.

Wind of Fate: Stronger version of Breath of Fate, causes damage as well as throwing enemies off their feet.

Cyclone of Fate: Strongest ground attack version, and kills most enemies.

Ravages of Time: Allows the Prince to move at a faster rate through time, allowing him to attack at blinding speeds. Similar to Haste in Sands of Time, but enemies are not frozen.

Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones

Recall: Same as Recall in Warrior Within.

Eye of the Storm: Same as Eye of the Storm in Warrior Within.

Winds of the Sands: Same as Breath of Fate in Warrior Within.

Sand Storm Attack: Similar to Cyclone of Fate in Warrior Within.

@1:23-Ravages of Time Dahaka is moving fast, because he is the final boss. But if you try it reguraly the enemies will look slow.
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ScreamPaste
Prince stomps. .. =D

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by Gumachi
Not if he's slowed or stopped. Prince looks into the future, and dodges his attacks. Prince can also use Ravages of Time.

And BT is right, he can be sucked in by Dahakaand he can still rewind time. Even if he can teleport, Prince is going to be fast enough to reenact to Seph if time is slowed. He will just rewind time over and over and Prince has fought people that can teleport. Prince's powers can be infinite if he uses the Sand Wraith mask.

"While wearing the Mask of the Wraith, the Prince retains his personality, memories and his fighting skills, including his mastery of various weapons. This suggests that although the Mask has deformed his physical appearance, it is not possessed by another conscious being. As the sandwraith, the Prince can manipulate time WITHOUT LIMIT!, as his sand tanks fill themselves up automatically. However, the Mask depletes the Prince’s lifebar even when not struck or hurt in any way, however it will not kill him but reduce the lifebar to 25%. "


Looking into the future won't help him unless he is quick enough to dodge Sephiroth teleporting behing him, or sending tons of beams at Prince and cutting him into 1,000,000 pieces. Same thing with Ravage of Time, he needs to be quicker than Sephiroth to use it, which he is not.

As I said, he needs to be quick enough to use it when Sephiroth quickly can teleport behind him, and end the battle right away, so Prince's time abilities doesn't help him at all. How will Prince react faster than Sephiroth teleporting behind him which happens in an instant? Prince has never fought people with the same teleporting abilities, and skill that Sephiroth has. That is if he uses it before he completly thrashes Prince's ass to bits and pieces.

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. wtf is crushing saviour got to do anything? its worthless if Nero has not enough time to do anything which he wouldnt.

2. You do lose abilities ,you lose speed, you loose the will to be able to do abilities before Prince kills you. Sephiroth is faster than prince, not than Princes dagger and not faster than prince when its instantly activated.

Prince slows time while doubling his own speed and then slices Sephiroth into bloody rags and steels the Masurmane.

1. Dare Prince to stop Devil Bringer quick enough before it crushes him big grin.

2. Speed, woopy, I meant main abilities, everyone has speed, duh. Sephiroth as I have said will teleport behind Prince and completly thrash him, make him into soup laughing out loud

Masamune noob laughing out loud

ScreamPaste
Ultimate Wil can't read or doesn't want to admit Sephiroth loses.. Accept and debate facts, it's no fun debating a brick wall!

Seph insta kills prince, prince rewinds, then counters, Seph cannot rewind.

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ultimate Wil can't read or doesn't want to admit Sephiroth loses.. Accept and debate facts, it's no fun debating a brick wall!

Seph insta kills prince, prince rewinds, then counters, Seph cannot rewind.

How can he rewind time when he is cut into pieces? Even if he does rewind time when dead, the same results will happen.

ArtificialGlory
Eventually the Prince would just run out of gas... or sand.

ScreamPaste
Wrong.. As stated earlier, Prince's entire body can be destroyed, mulched, or incinerated, and he still rewinds. and once he has rewinde,d he knows wh Seph is gonna do, slows time, and sticks Seph in the eye.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Wrong.. As stated earlier, Prince's entire body can be destroyed, mulched, or incinerated, and he still rewinds. and once he has rewinde,d he knows wh Seph is gonna do, slows time, and sticks Seph in the eye.

For how long can the Prince keep time slowed anyway? I mean, getting stabbed in the eye probably wouldn't be too catastrophic for our good Doctor.

ScreamPaste
It would be one of many stabbings to occur, and Prince can slow time for long enough to do all sorts of horrible things to Sephiroth, who wouldn't even know time was slowed, and just percieve prince as extremely fast. Besides which point, Prince can rewand back several seconds, so second BEFORE Seph evne teleports, he slows time, and as soon as Seph is behind him, RAVAGES him with the dagger of time so badly his own mother wouldn't know his face.

mr.smiley
Prince has no chance.
Even if the revolution is with him.

King-Fingolfin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycf7zwxo6mc

k1Lla441
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ultimate Wil can't read or doesn't want to admit Sephiroth loses.. Accept and debate facts, it's no fun debating a brick wall!

Seph insta kills prince, prince rewinds, then counters, Seph cannot rewind. '
Thank you for pointing this out. I thought i was the only one (besides bt) that noticed.

And since no one else here will debate properly with him, i will. bt does prince have unlimited use of his time powers? And can he completely slow down time? If you answer yes to either, please show proof. The only game i played of pop is two thrones, and i didnt pay much attention to the story line.

ScreamPaste
There's a limit but it's not a harsh one, and his sand powers can be recharged very easily. I manage to keep my sand powers full most of the trilogy.

Rewinding costs one of I believe six or seven sand tanks, slowing time costs one more. He has other things that sometimes use more, but you get the idea, none of them will put him out of comission.

also, he can slow down time to the point where you can practicly run around arrows that are in flight, and Prince has peak human reflexes.

Gumachi
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
Looking into the future won't help him unless he is quick enough to dodge Sephiroth teleporting behing him, or sending tons of beams at Prince and cutting him into 1,000,000 pieces. Same thing with Ravage of Time, he needs to be quicker than Sephiroth to use it, which he is not.

As I said, he needs to be quick enough to use it when Sephiroth quickly can teleport behind him, and end the battle right away, so Prince's time abilities doesn't help him at all. How will Prince react faster than Sephiroth teleporting behind him which happens in an instant? Prince has never fought people with the same teleporting abilities, and skill that Sephiroth has. That is if he uses it before he completly thrashes Prince's ass to bits and pieces.

1.Not if time is stopped. If he rewinds time, he will eventually learn Seph's attacks and dodge then. He will be quicker, Prince will be fast, and Seph will be slow as a snail.

Dahaka is the Persian God of Death. Dahaka would just suck Seph in. he would COMPLETLY FREEZE time, and what can Seph do then? If he is slowed he can't be any faster, even Dante in DMC, when you fight the horse he is slowed.

Gumachi
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
There's a limit but it's not a harsh one, and his sand powers can be recharged very easily. I manage to keep my sand powers full most of the trilogy.

Rewinding costs one of I believe six or seven sand tanks, slowing time costs one more. He has other things that sometimes use more, but you get the idea, none of them will put him out of comission.

also, he can slow down time to the point where you can practicly run around arrows that are in flight, and Prince has peak human reflexes.

Sandwraith=Infinite Sand.

ScreamPaste
He doesn't even need Sandwraith, that's overkill =/

Gumachi
Originally posted by k1Lla441
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Thank you for pointing this out. I thought i was the only one (besides bt) that noticed.

And since no one else here will debate properly with him, i will. bt does prince have unlimited use of his time powers? And can he completely slow down time? If you answer yes to either, please show proof. The only game i played of pop is two thrones, and i didnt pay much attention to the story line.

Sandwraith gives him infinite time powers. And yes he can COMPLETLY STOP TIME. It's in the Sands of Time. Not Two Thrones.

The Power of Haste: A combination of Delay and Restraint, Haste freezes every enemy around the Prince and causes him to move instantly from one enemy to the next. Like with Restraint, enemies can be killed in a single hit if knocked off their feet.

The Power of Restraint: Provided they don't block, most enemies stabbed by the Dagger of Time are frozen in time. Once knocked off their feet in this state, they can be killed in a single hit (the Prince's backflip move can do so instantly), the downside of which being that the Sands they possess cannot be absorbed by the Dagger. If left alone, the enemy returns to normal after a few seconds.

DNG3zCItNhI LOOK AT THIS VID, IT PROVES HE CAN STOP TIME.

Gumachi
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
For how long can the Prince keep time slowed anyway? I mean, getting stabbed in the eye probably wouldn't be too catastrophic for our good Doctor.

Probably 10-15 secs enough time.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He doesn't even need Sandwraith, that's overkill =/

Well, you get my point though, right?

Burning thought
Originally posted by k1Lla441
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Thank you for pointing this out. I thought i was the only one (besides bt) that noticed.

And since no one else here will debate properly with him, i will. bt does prince have unlimited use of his time powers? And can he completely slow down time? If you answer yes to either, please show proof. The only game i played of pop is two thrones, and i didnt pay much attention to the story line.

indeed, I gave him the reply more adequate to his nonsense wink


No, Prince can only use rewind 6/7 times, he has 6/7 tanks of sand at his prime and his more powerful abilities (such as the one that not only slows them to a crawl, AND doubles his speed) cost two or sometimes even 3 sand tanks.

By completly do you mean time freeze? no I dont think he can freeze time, but the slowing effect is quite impressive if you look at some of the vids posted in here already, more than enough for Sephiroth not to be able to do much at all and the rewind effect happens automatically as shown so Sephiroth would have to attempt to kill Prince at least 6/7 times, the other 6 Prince iwll know exactley what Sephiroth is going to try.

Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
1. Dare Prince to stop Devil Bringer quick enough before it crushes him big grin.

2. Speed, woopy, I meant main abilities, everyone has speed, duh. Sephiroth as I have said will teleport behind Prince and completly thrash him, make him into soup laughing out loud

Masamune noob laughing out loud
yeh and prince will don his super giga armour which can survive nukes while fireing Cyclone torpedos

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by Gumachi
1.Not if time is stopped. If he rewinds time, he will eventually learn Seph's attacks and dodge then. He will be quicker, Prince will be fast, and Seph will be slow as a snail.

Dahaka is the Persian God of Death. Dahaka would just suck Seph in. he would COMPLETLY FREEZE time, and what can Seph do then? If he is slowed he can't be any faster, even Dante in DMC, when you fight the horse he is slowed.

1. Looking back and time won't help him dodge attacks. Even if he can read his moves, he still can't stop them, he is too slow, and Prince stopping time before Sephiroth attacks will never happen, Sephiroth is too fast for Prince, sorry.

2. And Ultemecia was sucking in all existance, even stars, and two people who are way weaker than Sephiroth combined were able to beat her, so Dahaka doesn't mean shit to Ultemacia, Sephiroth, or Dante.

ScreamPaste
Wil, Wil, Wil.

It's simple, really. He rewinds to BEFORE Seph does anything, by a second or more, THEN slows time to a Crawl before Seph can do anything. Then He knows EXACTLY what Seph is gonna do, so he counters it, resulting in Sephiroth's death. K?

Now. Bring up a point that somehow counters this, or concede. You have yet to prove anything relevant to this fight.

SHM
I go with the guy who can corrupt and destroy an entire planet, just by using his cells(remember that J-cells are his own now).

Sephiroth is stronger than Avalanche, the Weapons, and the planet's will. What can Prince do? Freeze time and bleed on him? lol

ScreamPaste
Originally posted by SHM
I go with the guy who can corrupt and destroy an entire planet, just by using his cells(remember that J-cells are his own now).

Sephiroth is stronger than Avalanche, the Weapons, and the planet's will. What can Prince do? Freeze time and bleed on him? lol

Or freeze time and castrate, dismember, disembowl, disgrace and degrade Seph.

SHM
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Or freeze time and castrate, dismember, disembowl, disgrace and degrade Seph.

Good luck with that, because from what I remember, not even a giant Buster Sword impalling him(in his weakest form) worked.

And I remember trying to do what you said, with Bizarro Sephiroth... But it was so annoying, because he was always regenerating!

Gumachi
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
1. Looking back and time won't help him dodge attacks. Even if he can read his moves, he still can't stop them, he is too slow, and Prince stopping time before Sephiroth attacks will never happen, Sephiroth is too fast for Prince, sorry.

2. And Ultemecia was sucking in all existance, even stars, and two people who are way weaker than Sephiroth combined were able to beat her, so Dahaka doesn't mean shit to Ultemacia, Sephiroth, or Dante.

Yes it would. HE STOPS TIME, and he slows time. He can kill him before he does that. I could easily say Prince can go back in time and kill Seph at birth, but that would make me a hyprocite. If he rewinds time then Seph does the same attack over and over then he will learn. He can look into the future, and stop time on an exact spot. Prince can impale Seph and turn him into sand. Or he could impale himself any ONLY THE DAGGER WOULD BE ABLE TO HURT HIM--But that wouldn't be fair would it? But he wouldn't beat Dante. Because on the back of the POP:WW case it said "Fate's Demon" and well you know the rest.

2.So? Dahaka is INVINCIBLE TO ALL THINGS EXCEPT FOR WATER. NONE OF THEM HAVE WATER he would suck them in--err probably. Or if they messed up the timeline. They might beat him? IDK, but in Persian Myth Dahaka=God of Death.

Prince could turn Seph into sand.

ScreamPaste
And yet, he's clearly beatable. And it's much easier with time slowed becaue that slows the regen, too.

Being stuck with the dagger practicly freezes that enemy in time while prince can still hop around like a bunny on meth. Or slow time further, he could practicly remove, examine, and eat all of Seph's organs.

Gumachi
Originally posted by SHM
Good luck with that, because from what I remember, not even a giant Buster Sword impalling him(in his weakest form) worked.

And I remember trying to do what you said, with Bizarro Sephiroth... But it was so annoying, because he was always regenerating!

Let's see him regenerate if he's turned into a mountain of sand.

Burning thought
Prince would slice the guy into bits while time is slowled so that he could do nothing...

that would count as a defeat EVEN IF Sephiroth can somehow return again ala AC

SHM
Originally posted by Gumachi
Let's see him regenerate if he's turned into a mountain of sand.

Like he did, when his entire body dissolved in the Lifestream? Or when he used a few cells in a box to recreate his entire body?



And I could easily say Sephiroth uses his much superior speed, and teleport, to kill Prince before he even know what is happening.

SHM
And completelly off-topic now, but epic new trailer is epic:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44905.html

Burning thought
no you couldnt with any credability, Sephiroth has superior speed to prince, not to the dagger of time which happens instantly and can revive prince (with prince knowing Sephiroths moves he used before) by rewining time.

And he used a few cells in a box...AND Kadaj

Gumachi
Originally posted by SHM
Like he did, when his entire body dissolved in the Lifestream? Or when he used a few cells in a box to recreate his entire body?



And I could easily say Sephiroth uses his much superior speed, and teleport, to kill Prince before he even know what is happening.

Proof? Still doesn't mean he can make a new body. The sand would probably desenergrate him and all the wind has to do is blow. You can't make your body from nonething.

He rewinds time. Or looks into the future

The Power of Revival: The power to rewind time up to ten seconds, undoing almost everything that happened during that time (death, injuries, movement, etc.) Rewinding time cannot undo killing an enemy created by the Sands of Time, as doing so resets the timer.

The Power of Delay: Time is slowed down for everything, with the Prince moving slightly faster than his enemies, allows for finer control and making attacks unblockable.

The Power of Restraint: Provided they don't block, most enemies stabbed by the Dagger of Time are frozen in time. Once knocked off their feet in this state, they can be killed in a single hit (the Prince's backflip move can do so instantly), the downside of which being that the Sands they possess cannot be absorbed by the Dagger. If left alone, the enemy returns to normal after a few seconds.

The Power of Haste: A combination of Delay and Restraint, Haste freezes every enemy around the Prince and causes him to move instantly from one enemy to the next. Like with Restraint, enemies can be killed in a single hit if knocked off their feet.

The Power of Destiny: Shows the Prince visions of possible futures by standing in Sand Storms.


How can Seph stop that? Prince rewinds/looks into the future, sees what he does, slow time, freeze Seph and slash at him 100 times. Did you even see Ravages of Time? SEPH WILL BE AUTOMATCIALLY SLOWED DOWN, AND PRINCE WILL BE 1000x FAST.

Gumachi
Originally posted by SHM
Like he did, when his entire body dissolved in the Lifestream? Or when he used a few cells in a box to recreate his entire body?



And I could easily say Sephiroth uses his much superior speed, and teleport, to kill Prince before he even know what is happening.

ONLY THE DAGGER OF TIME COULD KILL HIM. And since he would be a God. I could say he could summon an entire persian army, or wait...kill Seph at birth. Or rewind the ENTIRE FIGHT. Flying Ability? If he did stabbed himself, Seph would be turned into some kind of creature.

SHM
The way you see the abilities/powers/attacks happening in gameplay =/= how it really happens in the story.

And I don't care about your no-limits-fallacy. Sephiroth(and MANY other characters in fiction) could kill Prince, easily.


Ah, and Kadaj is part of Sephiroth's being, he is a remnant. So in reality, Sephiroth only needed the cells.

Gumachi
Actually the abilities are mentioned in the story.

Prince beats this Seph big grin

Gumachi
@ Wil, You do know I was kidding about the Dahaka sucking them in, right?

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by Gumachi
Yes it would. HE STOPS TIME, and he slows time. He can kill him before he does that. I could easily say Prince can go back in time and kill Seph at birth, but that would make me a hyprocite. If he rewinds time then Seph does the same attack over and over then he will learn. He can look into the future, and stop time on an exact spot. Prince can impale Seph and turn him into sand. Or he could impale himself any ONLY THE DAGGER WOULD BE ABLE TO HURT HIM--But that wouldn't be fair would it? But he wouldn't beat Dante. Because on the back of the POP:WW case it said "Fate's Demon" and well you know the rest.

2.So? Dahaka is INVINCIBLE TO ALL THINGS EXCEPT FOR WATER. NONE OF THEM HAVE WATER he would suck them in--err probably. Or if they messed up the timeline. They might beat him? IDK, but in Persian Myth Dahaka=God of Death.

Prince could turn Seph into sand.

1. Sephiroth is TOO fast for Prince. Sephiroth won't be using the same attack over and over again. Sephiroth will send beams at Prince, or use his super speed to speed blitz Prince and end up into bits and pieces, or just teleport and kill him. Sephiroth feats are better than Prince's. Again Prince needs to be fast enough to do any of his moves. Heck then Sephiroth can just send a meteor or two down and destroy the entire planet smile. Sephiroth can destroy the ground under Prince and send him falling to his death.

2. Ultemecia sucks in ALL EXISTANCE, INCLUDING WATER!!! Ultemecia=Sucker into all existance

Sephiroth can cut his head off and play basketball with it smile.

Gumachi
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
1. Sephiroth is TOO fast for Prince. Sephiroth won't be using the same attack over and over again. Sephiroth will send beams at Prince, or use his super speed to speed blitz Prince and end up into bits and pieces, or just teleport and kill him. Sephiroth feats are better than Prince's. Again Prince needs to be fast enough to do any of his moves. Heck then Sephiroth can just send a meteor or two down and destroy the entire planet smile. Sephiroth can destroy the ground under Prince and send him falling to his death.

2. Ultemecia sucks in ALL EXISTANCE, INCLUDING WATER!!! Ultemecia=Sucker into all existance

Sephiroth can cut his head off and play basketball with it smile.

1.How can he be fast when slowed? RAVAGES OF TIME!!! HE WILL BE FAST ENOUGH AND SEPH WILL BE SLOW!!! Prince slows time, freezes Seph, and turns him into the sand. Destroy the ground? Haha he can be sucked in by Dahaka wink AND rewind time smile he will look into the future and see him destorying the planet, he will just rewind time laughing over and over and over laughing he won't let him call a meteor, because he will be froze. And that will give him enough time to dismember his limbs. Or slice him in half.

Prince can cut all of Seph's limbs off and send them to his mother smile

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Burning thought
indeed, I gave him the reply more adequate to his nonsense wink


No, Prince can only use rewind 6/7 times, he has 6/7 tanks of sand at his prime and his more powerful abilities (such as the one that not only slows them to a crawl, AND doubles his speed) cost two or sometimes even 3 sand tanks.

By completly do you mean time freeze? no I dont think he can freeze time, but the slowing effect is quite impressive if you look at some of the vids posted in here already, more than enough for Sephiroth not to be able to do much at all and the rewind effect happens automatically as shown so Sephiroth would have to attempt to kill Prince at least 6/7 times, the other 6 Prince iwll know exactley what Sephiroth is going to try.

When you say "slows them to a crawl" who do you mean by "them". Because im pretty sure that a normal enemy prince faces would be slowed down to a crawl but seph is much faster than princes normal foes, so saying that it would slow him down to just as much as it would them is nonsense. Even if you slowed seph, to lets say, half his speed with one of princes powerful abilites, and you double princes speed, i still dont think thats enough to be as fast as seph, and with his tk just like one thougth away, prince would be stuck.

The only problem seph would have would be princes ability to rewind; he would know pretty much exactly what seph would be able to do, but i still think knowing what seph is gonna do would only help him so much.

Gumachi
I think I get what Wil & k1Lla441 are trying to say. Just like when I said even though Kratos slows time Dante is still 50% fast. But Ravages of Time, I think he will be slowed. But he still can freeze Seph.

Ravages of Time has Prince moving at light-speed.

ScreamPaste
When he slows time, he can practicly run aroudn arrows that are in flight. <_< Just sayingggg.

Gumachi
I'm shure Seph will win. I was just stating some facts about Prince, before it gets out of hand. Still a chance Prince can win.

SHM
Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Same usual tactic for every match he's in, I'd say.

Labelling everyone who likes Sephiroth as a "fanboy", is already proof of how biased and condescending you are. So get down of your high horses, and learn a lesson in humility.
You two aren't better than anyone here.




And this thread is spite. Sephiroth just looks at Prince, and the bones of his body are already crushed by TK.

Gumachi
Seph is on a higher level than Prince. Prince is probably on someone's level, like Altair.

ScreamPaste
It's spite, yeah, because Sephiroth gets crushed, SHM.

SHM
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's spite, yeah, because Sephiroth gets crushed, SHM.

Of course! Prince would crush the entire FFVII-verse at the same time, with his eyes closed.
Then he would crush the entire FF-verse, break the 4th wall, go to heaven, and kick God's ass!

GO PRINCE!!!111!one1!1!!1

Rascaduanok
The Dahaka is NOT the Persian god of death. And some bosses in PoP could negate the Eye of the Storm (time slow) effect.

Burning thought
Originally posted by k1Lla441
When you say "slows them to a crawl" who do you mean by "them". Because im pretty sure that a normal enemy prince faces would be slowed down to a crawl but seph is much faster than princes normal foes, so saying that it would slow him down to just as much as it would them is nonsense. Even if you slowed seph, to lets say, half his speed with one of princes powerful abilites, and you double princes speed, i still dont think thats enough to be as fast as seph, and with his tk just like one thougth away, prince would be stuck.

The only problem seph would have would be princes ability to rewind; he would know pretty much exactly what seph would be able to do, but i still think knowing what seph is gonna do would only help him so much.


I dunno, anything from the typical human speed sand wraiths to the doglike things, but nothing faster than a dog gets slowed, but its to such a degree that they may as well be frozen, even Sephiroth wouldnt be able to react to that kind of Speed, especially if Prince is doubled in speed also. Sephiroths mind would also be slowed, so his thought process would be slowed by the same amount unless someone can prove Sephiroths mind works faster than any human by any gaugable degree.

And if this is two thrones prince, he gains that daggertail thing to shred sephiroth to pieces from a fiar range.

Originally posted by SHM
Of course! Prince would crush the entire FFVII-verse at the same time, with his eyes closed.
Then he would crush the entire FF-verse, break the 4th wall, go to heaven, and kick God's ass!

GO PRINCE!!!111!one1!1!!1


your acting like a pathetic child who has just had his favourite toy smashed laughing

King-Fingolfin
Originally posted by Gumachi
I think I get what Wil & k1Lla441 are trying to say. Just like when I said even though Kratos slows time Dante is still 50% fast. But Ravages of Time, I think he will be slowed. But he still can freeze Seph.

Ravages of Time has Prince moving at light-speed.


Can you prove Prince is moving at lightspeed? Cause that video you posted sure didn't show it.

Burning thought
lol I highly doubt he moves at light speed otherwise in-game you would melt through your environments and would appear to be completly pitch black, and that never happens.

Either way, ravages of time does seem to multiply Princes speed AND do the opposite to his enemies at the same time. I tihnk he may have a freeze time one, but I cant remember for sure.

Gumachi
Originally posted by King-Fingolfin
Can you prove Prince is moving at lightspeed? Cause that video you posted sure didn't show it.

That's what the book said =\

Gumachi
Originally posted by Burning thought
lol I highly doubt he moves at light speed otherwise in-game you would melt through your environments and would appear to be completly pitch black, and that never happens.

Either way, ravages of time does seem to multiply Princes speed AND do the opposite to his enemies at the same time. I tihnk he may have a freeze time one, but I cant remember for sure.

He can freeze enemies, and kill them in 1 slash.

The Power of Restraint: Provided they don't block, most enemies stabbed by the Dagger of Time are frozen in time. Once knocked off their feet in this state, they can be killed in a single hit (the Prince's backflip move can do so instantly), the downside of which being that the Sands they possess cannot be absorbed by the Dagger. If lf let alone, they will return to their normal state.

The Power of Haste: A combination of Delay and Restraint, Haste freezes every enemy around the Prince and causes him to move instantly from one enemy to the next. Like with Restraint, enemies can be killed in a single hit if knocked off their feet.

Gumachi
Originally posted by Rascaduanok
The Dahaka is NOT the Persian god of death. And some bosses in PoP could negate the Eye of the Storm (time slow) effect.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dahaka


"An ancient Persian god of death and demon of deceit and mendacity. He loves destroying life. Dahaka is usually depicted with three heads, while scorpions and lizards crawl all over his body. Dahaka is an alternate name for Azhi Dahaka. Also know as Zohak (Zohak appears as the human form of Azhi Dahaka). "

Eye of the Storm, doesn't slow time I think.

Gumachi
Well, the book said Prince "can do a light speed attack. "

King-Fingolfin
Originally posted by Gumachi
That's what the book said =\

What book.

Gumachi
Warrior Within game book.

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Burning thought
I dunno, anything from the typical human speed sand wraiths to the doglike things, but nothing faster than a dog gets slowed, but its to such a degree that they may as well be frozen, even Sephiroth wouldnt be able to react to that kind of Speed, especially if Prince is doubled in speed also. Sephiroths mind would also be slowed, so his thought process would be slowed by the same amount unless someone can prove Sephiroths mind works faster than any human by any gaugable degree.

And if this is two thrones prince, he gains that daggertail thing to shred sephiroth to pieces from a fiar range.

1. Has prince ever slowed an enemy as fast as seph, if yes show proof. if not, how do you know its going to slow him down as much as an average slow enemy that prince faces?

2. Like i said, imo even if you cut sephiroths speed in half, and you doubled princes speed, i still think seph would be faster. Think of it like this: is normal seph 4x faster than normal prince? i would most definitely think so. Prince has some acrobatic skills, but he is as fast, maybe a lil faster than an average human.

3. On top of all that, it might be slowed down, seph still has his tk which pretty much means that if seph can get a grip on prince it would automatically end the match, and seph can teleport, as ive heard. Plus the fact that he has a long as sword makes it even harder for prince to get close.

4. Exactly how long can princes canon-time powers last? 1 minute? a couple seconds? a day? Because he does have limit.

Gumachi
Even if he did grab him, he would just rewind.

Burning thought
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. Has prince ever slowed an enemy as fast as seph, if yes show proof. if not, how do you know its going to slow him down as much as an average slow enemy that prince faces?

2. Like i said, imo even if you cut sephiroths speed in half, and you doubled princes speed, i still think seph would be faster. Think of it like this: is normal seph 4x faster than normal prince? i would most definitely think so. Prince has some acrobatic skills, but he is as fast, maybe a lil faster than an average human.

3. On top of all that, it might be slowed down, seph still has his tk which pretty much means that if seph can get a grip on prince it would automatically end the match, and seph can teleport, as ive heard. Plus the fact that he has a long as sword makes it even harder for prince to get close.

4. Exactly how long can princes canon-time powers last? 1 minute? a couple seconds? a day? Because he does have limit.

1. no obviously not, theres no such enemy although....to be fair the Dahaka can teleprot pretty much instantly, even the Dahakas speed is at a disadvantage. We know because the prince is manipulating time, not just speed, so the speed Sephiroth will be reduced by would be as a percentage of his speed and time it takes for him to move AND his thought process to start.

2. Yes but the dagger doesnt just cut speed by half, as Gumachi said, the slow effect can make arrows being fired seem slow, which are much faster than humans. And judging by some of the other abilities Gumachi has dug up, the prince can freeze his enemies as well.

3. A long sword means nothing, TK is the only problem prince may have but then he could simply rewind time.

4. weve gone through this, hes only got 7 uses, his abilities last for a fair while, about 20 seconds I would say.

Rascaduanok

SHM
Originally posted by Burning thought
your acting like a pathetic child who has just had his favourite toy smashed laughing

At least I don't waste all days of my life in a forum, repeating myself over and over again, hoping that one day I will convince someone that my favorite character is the best in the universe. Talk about pathetic...

Seriously dude, everytime I see you talking about Kain, I don't know if I start laughing or crying.

Burning thought
As I said before, stop stamping your feet and acting like a pathetic child.

"seriously" dude stop talking about "wasting days of my life in a forum" when you needed to be on the forum to post it....it makes you seem even less credible than the usual.

Gumachi

Gumachi
As for the "long sword" comment.


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ArtificialGlory
Sephiroth isn't a lumbering cretin that looks like the Michelin mascot... or is he?

Ultimate Wil
Sephiroth sends the meteor down where Prince is, and destroys his entire planet, and I hate to tell you BT, Prince can't do shit because only the lifestream can stop it, and Prince doesn't control the lifestream.

ScreamPaste
and that stops Prince from killing him how? It doesn't.

Also, that fals into the category of "only the thign from the same game can do x" which is something that needs to be stripped otherwise prince could make himself a god and only the dagger of time could kill him.

Logical debate plx?

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
and that stops Prince from killing him how? It doesn't.

Also, that fals into the category of "only the thign from the same game can do x" which is something that needs to be stripped otherwise prince could make himself a god and only the dagger of time could kill him.

Logical debate plx?

Easy, Seph teleports away from Prince, and throws a meteor at the planet and destroys it, Prince can't do shit, I guess Prince loses smile

If he destroys the planet he is on, and survives, he dies of lack of oxygen, loser=Prince smile

ThunderGodEneru
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
Easy, Seph teleports away from Prince, and throws a meteor at the planet and destroys it Only Sephiroth can't do that.

Gumachi
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
Easy, Seph teleports away from Prince, and throws a meteor at the planet and destroys it, Prince can't do shit, I guess Prince loses smile

If he destroys the planet he is on, and survives, he dies of lack of oxygen, loser=Prince smile

If he's an immortal, I don't think he needs air. Now i'm confused IDK who will win now.

ScreamPaste
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
Easy, Seph teleports away from Prince, and throws a meteor at the planet and destroys it, Prince can't do shit, I guess Prince loses smile

If he destroys the planet he is on, and survives, he dies of lack of oxygen, loser=Prince smile

so your final argument is Seph can win because he'll break the planet, and die in space, but pricne will die when the planet gets borked? ... I smell desperation. confused

Burning thought
Sephiroth cannot even do that

ThunderGodEneru
Wil is spouting bullshit, Sephiroth cannot throw meteors in the way he described, nor would he even survive if he could.

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
so your final argument is Seph can win because he'll break the planet, and die in space, but pricne will die when the planet gets borked? ... I smell desperation. confused

We have already seen Seph away from the planet and call the meteor to the planet, with everyone still on it, so bye bye Prince

Not throw, calls the meteor

Nemesis X
Is Prince powerful enough to slice a skyscraper in half?

MadMel
yea, but the meteor takes what? weeks? months? to actually hit the planet erm

ThunderGodEneru
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
We have already seen Seph away from the planet and call the meteor to the planet, with everyone still on it, so bye bye Prince

Not throw, calls the meteor Took months to do, and he has never flown away from the planet.

Not to mention he no longer has the Black Materia in his possession.

ScreamPaste
Originally posted by Nemesis X
Is Prince powerful enough to slice a skyscraper in half?

On of his feats IS hacking through stone walls.

Ultimate Wil
Of course it took months to do, he needed the power to actually call the meteor to the planet, and when he had the power, Sephiroth then summoned the meteor to the planet, which didn't take that long to do.

I thought he wasn't on the planet when he summoned the meteor to the planet.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
On of his feats IS hacking through stone walls.

He asked a skyskraper, not a stone wall.

ThunderGodEneru
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
Of course it took months to do, he needed the power to actually call the meteor to the planet, and when he had the power, Sephiroth then summoned the meteor to the planet, which didn't take that long to do.

I thought he wasn't on the planet when he summoned the meteor to the planet. And you assume the meteor is going to be by the planet in this fight? It took months to use the Black Materia, which, HE NO LONGER HAS.

Um, yeah, he was.

Oh, and Meteor could not destroy the planet, only wound it.

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. no obviously not, theres no such enemy although....to be fair the Dahaka can teleprot pretty much instantly, even the Dahakas speed is at a disadvantage. We know because the prince is manipulating time, not just speed, so the speed Sephiroth will be reduced by would be as a percentage of his speed and time it takes for him to move AND his thought process to start.

2. Yes but the dagger doesnt just cut speed by half, as Gumachi said, the slow effect can make arrows being fired seem slow, which are much faster than humans. And judging by some of the other abilities Gumachi has dug up, the prince can freeze his enemies as well.

3. A long sword means nothing, TK is the only problem prince may have but then he could simply rewind time.

4. weve gone through this, hes only got 7 uses, his abilities last for a fair while, about 20 seconds I would say.

1. That may make it even closer to tell whos faster, but from what ive seen seph would still be faster than prince, not by much, but he would be faster. Prince is a lil faster than a human, more like an acrobatic fit person, and seph is just straight out inhuman, hes extremely fast, i would think much faster than an arrow.

2. This would be the only serious problem seph would have, unless seph could get off a tk faster than prince could stop time.

3. Seem like a problem at first, but what good does knowing whats going to happen if you cant stop it? Even if prince rewinded time, knew seph was going to tk, what could he possibly do? Not much.

4. Very limited, so any mess up or misjudgement on rewinding time would take away a lot of his vital sand, which pretty much the only thing hes got going for him in this fight. Without it its a completely blowout, and 7 gauges, even if at like 30 seconds, is not so much.

and wil it wont be so easy as calling a meteor, it almost looks as if your baiting. tge already stated he doesnt have the black materia, and even if he did he would be on the planet with prince which would do him no help at all.

Burning thought
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. That may make it even closer to tell whos faster, but from what ive seen seph would still be faster than prince, not by much, but he would be faster. Prince is a lil faster than a human, more like an acrobatic fit person, and seph is just straight out inhuman, hes extremely fast, i would think much faster than an arrow.

2. This would be the only serious problem seph would have, unless seph could get off a tk faster than prince could stop time.

3. Seem like a problem at first, but what good does knowing whats going to happen if you cant stop it? Even if prince rewinded time, knew seph was going to tk, what could he possibly do? Not much.

4. Very limited, so any mess up or misjudgement on rewinding time would take away a lot of his vital sand, which pretty much the only thing hes got going for him in this fight. Without it its a completely blowout, and 7 gauges, even if at like 30 seconds, is not so much.

and wil it wont be so easy as calling a meteor, it almost looks as if your baiting. tge already stated he doesnt have the black materia, and even if he did he would be on the planet with prince which would do him no help at all.

1. well as you said, if hes faster, its not by much, not enough to give him any real advantage, and Seph isnt that fast on foot, when hes fighting CLoud hes not that fast that being slowed in time would make little diffrence, it would make a big diffrence. And as i said before, Seph is fast, but he wouldnt hardly move at all if he cannot think hardly, his thought process would be reduced in speed as well, making his reaction time slower as well etc etc

2. impossible, Prince stops time pretty much instantly, and the dagger looks after prince even if Prince is not doing anything.

3. Well lets say this is a real battle, prince would rewind before Sephiroth even began any of his attacks, even long before it. If the prince cannot rewind further back than the beginning of the battle to the degree of this threads rules, then he will still have major knowledge on what Seph "is" going to do, Prince may simply rewind enough to try a diffrent tactic all together. besides Sephiroth has nothing that prince couldnt escape, if its a sword attack, and your right that somehow Sephiroth is still much faster than prince, Prince would know the attack, where Sephiroth is going to teleport to etc, and would run/dodge/roll accordginly.


4. its an enormous amount, using those 7 sand tanks he can save his life 7 times, slow time 7 times, or speed himself up by Double AND freeze time for the cost of 3 sand tanks, twice, still allowing him to rewind time if he does happen to get defeated again.


also so far weve all been assuming this is gameplay, if this is the real world, surely Prince has infnite sand power, because when he rewinds time, he is going back before the time he was defeated and had to use the power of the sands, thus, he would still have the sands to use as he pleases when "rewind" is concerned at least.

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. well as you said, if hes faster, its not by much, not enough to give him any real advantage, and Seph isnt that fast on foot, when hes fighting CLoud hes not that fast that being slowed in time would make little diffrence, it would make a big diffrence. And as i said before, Seph is fast, but he wouldnt hardly move at all if he cannot think hardly, his thought process would be reduced in speed as well, making his reaction time slower as well etc etc

2. impossible, Prince stops time pretty much instantly, and the dagger looks after prince even if Prince is not doing anything.

3. Well lets say this is a real battle, prince would rewind before Sephiroth even began any of his attacks, even long before it. If the prince cannot rewind further back than the beginning of the battle to the degree of this threads rules, then he will still have major knowledge on what Seph "is" going to do, Prince may simply rewind enough to try a diffrent tactic all together. besides Sephiroth has nothing that prince couldnt escape, if its a sword attack, and your right that somehow Sephiroth is still much faster than prince, Prince would know the attack, where Sephiroth is going to teleport to etc, and would run/dodge/roll accordginly.


4. its an enormous amount, using those 7 sand tanks he can save his life 7 times, slow time 7 times, or speed himself up by Double AND freeze time for the cost of 3 sand tanks, twice, still allowing him to rewind time if he does happen to get defeated again.


also so far weve all been assuming this is gameplay, if this is the real world, surely Prince has infnite sand power, because when he rewinds time, he is going back before the time he was defeated and had to use the power of the sands, thus, he would still have the sands to use as he pleases when "rewind" is concerned at least.

1. He doesnt have to move directly on foot, im pretty sure he could teleport, jump, etc. and all it takes is that little beat of speed edge and once stab...

2. Didnt know that about dagger confused

3. There is nothing the prince could do to stop, evade, or some other technique to get away from sephs tk, which was what i was mainly talking about. Sure, he could plan a dodge/evasion against a sword attack, but what would he do if he seph used tk? that then would pretty much be the end of the fight.

4. Save himself 7 times if he wants, using his sand tanks like that is pretty much post poning his death. If he used his sand tanks like the ladder and used 3 of them for a more powerful move, then that would make more sense because using his tanks for purely defense is just retared, as his offense wouldnt be able to touch seph without them.

When you talk about rewind like that, it doesnt really work. The sand tanks would be gone, and saying that they would be there becuase he rewinded time would only work if everything was returned to normal. i.e his position, and the big part is his train of thought would be the same as it was before, which he wouldnt remember to dodge that certain attack. So pretty much what im trying to say is that everything about prince stays the same if he rewinds time, or nothing does, so saying that his items (sands) return to normal as he rewinds time but saying his mind doesnt rewind is nonsense.

Burning thought
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. He doesnt have to move directly on foot, im pretty sure he could teleport, jump, etc. and all it takes is that little beat of speed edge and once stab...

2. Didnt know that about dagger confused

3. There is nothing the prince could do to stop, evade, or some other technique to get away from sephs tk, which was what i was mainly talking about. Sure, he could plan a dodge/evasion against a sword attack, but what would he do if he seph used tk? that then would pretty much be the end of the fight.

4. Save himself 7 times if he wants, using his sand tanks like that is pretty much post poning his death. If he used his sand tanks like the ladder and used 3 of them for a more powerful move, then that would make more sense because using his tanks for purely defense is just retared, as his offense wouldnt be able to touch seph without them.

When you talk about rewind like that, it doesnt really work. The sand tanks would be gone, and saying that they would be there becuase he rewinded time would only work if everything was returned to normal. i.e his position, and the big part is his train of thought would be the same as it was before, which he wouldnt remember to dodge that certain attack. So pretty much what im trying to say is that everything about prince stays the same if he rewinds time, or nothing does, so saying that his items (sands) return to normal as he rewinds time but saying his mind doesnt rewind is nonsense.

Ive still not actually seen this teleport.

2. "Shrug"

3. He would simply have to rewind before the point Sephiroth was going to use TK, to the degree that he could take out sephiroth before he used it. But as i said, TK is quick, but when slowed, Sephiroths mind and reaction will also be slowed, you could never debate credibly that his mind would stil be fast enough because its impossible to gauge, on the other hand , I can simply state its slower, which it is, thus Prince has a chance more when time is slowed than if he did it without time slow.

4. I was making the point that they were not really that limited, 7 tanks goes a long way, especially when all you have to do is make a slight move diffrent to escape an attack to gain victory.

How would they be gone? he has rewound time, so technically they were never used, since hes wound it back. And weve seen Prince keeps his mind otherwise the entire concept of recall would not work as it has throughout all his games wheras the Sand tanks have been nothing more than a way of stopping you from doing it whenever and constantly. This could just be a gameplay mechanic, i dont remember it being described in the games.

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Burning thought
Ive still not actually seen this teleport.

2. "Shrug"

3. He would simply have to rewind before the point Sephiroth was going to use TK, to the degree that he could take out sephiroth before he used it. But as i said, TK is quick, but when slowed, Sephiroths mind and reaction will also be slowed, you could never debate credibly that his mind would stil be fast enough because its impossible to gauge, on the other hand , I can simply state its slower, which it is, thus Prince has a chance more when time is slowed than if he did it without time slow.

4. I was making the point that they were not really that limited, 7 tanks goes a long way, especially when all you have to do is make a slight move diffrent to escape an attack to gain victory.

How would they be gone? he has rewound time, so technically they were never used, since hes wound it back. And weve seen Prince keeps his mind otherwise the entire concept of recall would not work as it has throughout all his games wheras the Sand tanks have been nothing more than a way of stopping you from doing it whenever and constantly. This could just be a gameplay mechanic, i dont remember it being described in the games.

1. that was just one of the many things he could do besides simply using his feet. The point was that if seph is a lil faster even with princes slow time powers, thatll be all he'll need.

3. Just becuase prince is the one using the time powers here doesnt mean it gives you a better way to gauge his speed compared to sephs, its gonna be just as hard for you to compare who would win in speed as it is going to be me. My theory, is a very simple one: seph is multiple times faster than prince, in almost every single aspect that has to do with speed. So unless you have proof, which you already stated that you dont, of prince slowing someone near as fast as seph, then you could never debate credibly wether or not prince could slow down seph a lot for prince to kill him. Since seph is multiple times faster, its common sense to know than an average enemy prince faces gets slowed down a lot, but seph is not average person. So its pretty obvious to know that even if he is slowed down all that much he would still be faster than prince, in reaction/speed/quickness. And just because you can state seph would be slower does not mean you can prove it, nor could you guess better than i could of how much slower it would make him.

4. Just because you escape an attack does not gain a victory, it just postpones the fight. For one of princes stronger techniques, on the other hand, that may do something for him, but then again he only has 2 of those chances to get it right, which imo is not that much.

So your telling me, that when prince rewinds time, his sands go back like they were before he rewound time, yet his mind does not go back like it did before he rewound time? no, thats not how it works. its either 1. goes back in time with his current mindset and his current items, which would mean that the sand he used would stay current and his mind would stay in its current state, or 2. his sand goes back to like it was before, and his mind goes back to like it was before. It makes no sense that one part of him goes back to the past and one stays current. By your logic prince should pretty much be able to beat any non immortal character in gaming ever, based solely on the fact that he has unlimited sand to have unlimtied rewinds, which would prince end up finding some flaw in the opponent and never losing. B.S

Burning thought
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. that was just one of the many things he could do besides simply using his feet. The point was that if seph is a lil faster even with princes slow time powers, thatll be all he'll need.

3. Just becuase prince is the one using the time powers here doesnt mean it gives you a better way to gauge his speed compared to sephs, its gonna be just as hard for you to compare who would win in speed as it is going to be me. My theory, is a very simple one: seph is multiple times faster than prince, in almost every single aspect that has to do with speed. So unless you have proof, which you already stated that you dont, of prince slowing someone near as fast as seph, then you could never debate credibly wether or not prince could slow down seph a lot for prince to kill him. Since seph is multiple times faster, its common sense to know than an average enemy prince faces gets slowed down a lot, but seph is not average person. So its pretty obvious to know that even if he is slowed down all that much he would still be faster than prince, in reaction/speed/quickness. And just because you can state seph would be slower does not mean you can prove it, nor could you guess better than i could of how much slower it would make him.

4. Just because you escape an attack does not gain a victory, it just postpones the fight. For one of princes stronger techniques, on the other hand, that may do something for him, but then again he only has 2 of those chances to get it right, which imo is not that much.

So your telling me, that when prince rewinds time, his sands go back like they were before he rewound time, yet his mind does not go back like it did before he rewound time? no, thats not how it works. its either 1. goes back in time with his current mindset and his current items, which would mean that the sand he used would stay current and his mind would stay in its current state, or 2. his sand goes back to like it was before, and his mind goes back to like it was before. It makes no sense that one part of him goes back to the past and one stays current. By your logic prince should pretty much be able to beat any non immortal character in gaming ever, based solely on the fact that he has unlimited sand to have unlimtied rewinds, which would prince end up finding some flaw in the opponent and never losing. B.S

1. seph is also stiff, i.e, hes not acrobatic, Prince although perhaps a tiny bit slower if slowed would sitll be jumping, flipping and rolling to escape any and all Sephs melee attacks and slice Sephiroth to pieces before he could do much at all, he wont be that superior to prince especially when slowed, if hes superior at all, ime simply stating this in the view that if you are indeed correct that Sephiroth is still faster than prince, even when slowed, then he will still be destroyed in close combat. And as i said, he would still react slower as well, so although he may be able to get to where prince was before he decided to run after him, in this slowed state, even him being faster, his reactions would all be slow and Prince would be running in a diffrent direction by the time sephiroth attempted anything.

3. Prince does not need to beat Sephiroth by slowing him down to a crawl, Prince coud beat Sephirth if he pretty much negated the major speed advantage he usually has, Princes speed and agility are more than enough and Sephiroths ridiculously long sword would work against him in this battle. No its not obvious at all, being multiple times faster doesnt mean he would not be slowed down enough to be killed with ease. The monsters that are of perhaps human speed that Prince slows are slowed to such a degree that their barely moving at all, so its likely Sephiroth would be moving...just pretty slowly.

4. What your saying is illogical and denies actual proof, Prince thoughout the entire games has rewound time and kept his mind, both inside and out of the story, including in the cutscenes. On the other hand, its not logical at all that this would happen, nor is it logical his sands would drain if hes rewound himself to before he used them.....problem for your side of the debate is that Prince always has his memories when he rewinds, however theres nothing to gauge apart from gameplay his actual sand reserves. So technically and logically, I am correct.

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
And you assume the meteor is going to be by the planet in this fight? It took months to use the Black Materia, which, HE NO LONGER HAS.

Um, yeah, he was.

Oh, and Meteor could not destroy the planet, only wound it.

Any feat he can use in a fight. Strongest form of Sephiroth, NOT WEAKEST!!!

As stated where?

He teleported in FFVII BT

Zack Fair
Sephiroth.

Faster. Stronger. Has insane TK. And has that lil sword of his.

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. seph is also stiff, i.e, hes not acrobatic, Prince although perhaps a tiny bit slower if slowed would sitll be jumping, flipping and rolling to escape any and all Sephs melee attacks and slice Sephiroth to pieces before he could do much at all, he wont be that superior to prince especially when slowed, if hes superior at all, ime simply stating this in the view that if you are indeed correct that Sephiroth is still faster than prince, even when slowed, then he will still be destroyed in close combat. And as i said, he would still react slower as well, so although he may be able to get to where prince was before he decided to run after him, in this slowed state, even him being faster, his reactions would all be slow and Prince would be running in a diffrent direction by the time sephiroth attempted anything.

3. Prince does not need to beat Sephiroth by slowing him down to a crawl, Prince coud beat Sephirth if he pretty much negated the major speed advantage he usually has, Princes speed and agility are more than enough and Sephiroths ridiculously long sword would work against him in this battle. No its not obvious at all, being multiple times faster doesnt mean he would not be slowed down enough to be killed with ease. The monsters that are of perhaps human speed that Prince slows are slowed to such a degree that their barely moving at all, so its likely Sephiroth would be moving...just pretty slowly.

4. What your saying is illogical and denies actual proof, Prince thoughout the entire games has rewound time and kept his mind, both inside and out of the story, including in the cutscenes. On the other hand, its not logical at all that this would happen, nor is it logical his sands would drain if hes rewound himself to before he used them.....problem for your side of the debate is that Prince always has his memories when he rewinds, however theres nothing to gauge apart from gameplay his actual sand reserves. So technically and logically, I am correct.

1. Ive said this before, but you may not have caught it, since it was in the mix of what i said earlier. Seph, i dont care who dislikes him, is many times faster than prince, and not just in speed, but in reflexes, thought, pretty much any part of speed. Anyone who disagrees with this obvious statement.....is a fanboy or blindly denying the truth. So your logic of how sephs body would be fast but his mind would be slower doesnt work.

3. Pretty much same as above, Sephs speed advantage is his one and major advantage, but in this fight he pretty much beats prince in everything, so knocking down sephs speed will only help so much, since he could use his sword, teleport behind him, use his tk, pretty much normal fight except a big speed reduction. And your definiton of "pretty slow" is kinda harsh, seph would be moving faster than prince.

4. Thats not what i said i think, im not stupid i know that his mind stays the same, because if his mind didnt then there would be not point to the rewind power. I only stated it becuase i needed to make a comparison in the fact that you make no sense when you say prince gets to keep his memory but his sand goes back. Its illogical that: prince rewinds time and his mind does not rewind. prince rewinds time and his items go back to normal? How come his items return back to normal (and by items, i mean sand) but his mind doesnt? You stated that his sand would come back, so prove it, and no its not the logical thing to think. I know that prince having sand tanks is noncanon. But if you would like to talk about canon, he probably does have a lot more of it in an actual canon fight, but its nonsense to think that canon wise he has unlimited of it, as unless you can prove that he has unlimited of it, you cant say that he does, the farthest thing you could do cannon wise would be to say that he has more than the "non-canon seven tanks" that he gets in the game.

Gumachi
cuu-Q7lyV2k

The sword that the giant has is long, I doubt Seph's sword will be any much of a problem. If Seph teleports behind PrincePrince would just rewind time, if Seph teleports behind Prince, Prince will rewind time, jump out of Seph's awayand proceed to slash at Seph. And if Prince looks into the future, he can slow down time, and after Prince does that, he pretty much knows what Seph is going to do. So he just slows time, Seph teleports behind Prince, but Prince slows time, and jumps out of Seph's range. Even canon wise Prince needs sand, I think Prince needs sand canon wise also. If Prince can stab Seph, he MIGHT be able to turn him into sand. As for the "long sword" argument, Prince has the daggertail which is long than Seph's sword, and the daggertail can easily decapitate someone.

Seph's Sword
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/6/64/Sephiroth_Crisis_Core.jpg

Prince's Daggertail
http://www.kingofswords.com/images/TheDarkPrinceofPrusiaDaggerTail.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/237/926984_20050826_screen003.jpg

Burning thought
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. Ive said this before, but you may not have caught it, since it was in the mix of what i said earlier. Seph, i dont care who dislikes him, is many times faster than prince, and not just in speed, but in reflexes, thought, pretty much any part of speed. Anyone who disagrees with this obvious statement.....is a fanboy or blindly denying the truth. So your logic of how sephs body would be fast but his mind would be slower doesnt work.

3. Pretty much same as above, Sephs speed advantage is his one and major advantage, but in this fight he pretty much beats prince in everything, so knocking down sephs speed will only help so much, since he could use his sword, teleport behind him, use his tk, pretty much normal fight except a big speed reduction. And your definiton of "pretty slow" is kinda harsh, seph would be moving faster than prince.

4. Thats not what i said i think, im not stupid i know that his mind stays the same, because if his mind didnt then there would be not point to the rewind power. I only stated it becuase i needed to make a comparison in the fact that you make no sense when you say prince gets to keep his memory but his sand goes back. Its illogical that: prince rewinds time and his mind does not rewind. prince rewinds time and his items go back to normal? How come his items return back to normal (and by items, i mean sand) but his mind doesnt? You stated that his sand would come back, so prove it, and no its not the logical thing to think. I know that prince having sand tanks is noncanon. But if you would like to talk about canon, he probably does have a lot more of it in an actual canon fight, but its nonsense to think that canon wise he has unlimited of it, as unless you can prove that he has unlimited of it, you cant say that he does, the farthest thing you could do cannon wise would be to say that he has more than the "non-canon seven tanks" that he gets in the game.

1. No I heard it quite well but slowed in time, Sephiroth will not be many times faster than prince, if faster at all, and the speed advantage will be negated by sluggish reaction through being slowed in time unless you can actually prove his mind and reaction are both fast enough to negate said effects.

3. not at all, its not likely he will be moving faster than prince by any large degree, combined with the fact Prince is far more agile, the prince has this quite handily in the bag once time powers are activated.

4. His sand would logically go back because theres no reason why it wouldnt, hes rewindning himself entirely, the only reason that logic does not apply to his mind because weve actually seen it happen many times to his mind in and out of the storyline.

Or I could simply state he doesnt need sand tanks at all, since as you said their non canon, thus, he has unlimited canon uses of the dagger of time.

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by Gumachi
cuu-Q7lyV2k

The sword that the giant has is long, I doubt Seph's sword will be any much of a problem. If Seph teleports behind PrincePrince would just rewind time, if Seph teleports behind Prince, Prince will rewind time, jump out of Seph's awayand proceed to slash at Seph. And if Prince looks into the future, he can slow down time, and after Prince does that, he pretty much knows what Seph is going to do. So he just slows time, Seph teleports behind Prince, but Prince slows time, and jumps out of Seph's range. Even canon wise Prince needs sand, I think Prince needs sand canon wise also. If Prince can stab Seph, he MIGHT be able to turn him into sand. As for the "long sword" argument, Prince has the daggertail which is long than Seph's sword, and the daggertail can easily decapitate someone.

Seph's Sword
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/6/64/Sephiroth_Crisis_Core.jpg

Prince's Daggertail
http://www.kingofswords.com/images/TheDarkPrinceofPrusiaDaggerTail.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/237/926984_20050826_screen003.jpg

You do know that Sephiroth has the ability to send beams out from Masamune, so he can just cut that shit in half: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Sephiroth+vs+Genesis&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f&safe=active#q=Sephiroth+vs+Genesis&hl=en&emb=1

Watch any of these videos. Sephiroth will just cut that shit in half. Masamune>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Daggertail

Gumachi
Prince could sneak up behind Seph and decapitate him., and the daggertail is embedded into his arm.

Ultimate Wil
laughing out loud How could he sneak up behind him in the battle? Sephiroth would just cut off his arm then, it doesn't matter if it is on his arm, he would just cut off his arm by sending millions of beams at his arm.

Burning thought
millions of beams? yeh and then Prince turns into an Ultra megazord and fires a super time vortex that shatters dimensions from his mouth!

Ultimate Wil
The sad thing is that Sephiroth has the ability to send beams out from his doesn't count.sword, and Prince can't do that, so his feat, I mean your feat

Gumachi
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
laughing out loud How could he sneak up behind him in the battle? Sephiroth would just cut off his arm then, it doesn't matter if it is on his arm, he would just cut off his arm by sending millions of beams at his arm.

Prince can cut his head off, Prince can stop/slow time and wrap his daggertail around his neck killing him =\

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Prince could practicly dissect Sephiroth.

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by Gumachi
Prince can cut his head off, Prince can stop/slow time and wrap his daggertail around his neck killing him =\

Sephiroth can call meteors, teleport, superspeed, and has a better sword.

Burning thought
Call meteors is worthless so scratch that one, teleport is possibly a good retreat option but will lose him the fight, superspeed is similiar...relying on that alone will kill him and the sword being better, not really....Princes dagger>Sephs sword because it gives him most of his powers.

Ultimate Wil
Call meteors, calls a meteor and destroys the planet, Teleport is a good way to end Prince's lonely life, superspeed, easy speed blitz to end the fight, Prince is weak without his dagger, Sephiroth squishes Prince with or without it.

Burning thought
yeh Prince calls a godzor ray of light which destroys the planet!

k1Lla441
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. No I heard it quite well but slowed in time, Sephiroth will not be many times faster than prince, if faster at all, and the speed advantage will be negated by sluggish reaction through being slowed in time unless you can actually prove his mind and reaction are both fast enough to negate said effects.

3. not at all, its not likely he will be moving faster than prince by any large degree, combined with the fact Prince is far more agile, the prince has this quite handily in the bag once time powers are activated.

4. His sand would logically go back because theres no reason why it wouldnt, hes rewindning himself entirely, the only reason that logic does not apply to his mind because weve actually seen it happen many times to his mind in and out of the storyline.

Or I could simply state he doesnt need sand tanks at all, since as you said their non canon, thus, he has unlimited canon uses of the dagger of time.

1. Sephs speed would be more than fast enough to kill prince. And for the millionth time, sephs reaction time will also be faster than princes, just as his speed would. you keep acting as if princes normal reactions are as fast as sephs. Just like his speed, his reactions in real time are multiple times faster than princes, so just like speed, even if prince slowed down time, sephs already super fast reactions would be slown down to somewhere around or faster than princes. This goes for every different type of speed of sephs, so quickness, agility, speed, are all going to be slowed down to a little faster than princes, if not more. And prove it? have you even played final fantasy? all of his speed categories ARE MULTIPLE times faster than princes, so if princes sands slow an average enemies speed to near hardly moving, its logical to think that someone, who is lets say about 15 times faster than an average human, would not be slown as much. If anyone has to prove anything, its you would have to prove that princes sand powers would slow seph to less than princes.

3. Not even. Its already obvious that seph would be faster than prince, we dont know if it would be by a large margin, but it would be by some. Then the fact that he has tk, which would be almost impossible for prince to dodge, the fact he can teleport, he can shoot lasers out of his sword, would be more than enough speed to kill prince. easily.

4. ok, look. The logical thing to happen if you go back in time, is to lose your memory and for it to return to normal. That doesnt happen with prince, so whos to say that anything else apart of him is logical? You say that the logical thing to do is for the sands to come back to normal and return, yet his memory doesnt, so just as illogical as his memory not returning to normal could be the same case and his sands not returning would be just as illogical as that. It was shown in canon and noncanon that his mind stays the same and you then believe it as fact. Since you dont understand what im saying, im simply going to ask you one question. Prove that his sand tanks are unlimited in a canon fight.


And yes, i said that sand tanks are noncanon, but you seem to not understand what that means. All sand tanks do is give the game a limit to how much time power the player can use. Just because there not there in a canon fight does not mean that he gets "unlimited" sand powers, as to think that would just mean your plain assuming things and being ignorant. All its saying is that in a canon fight, we dont know how much sand he actually has, so he may have less than in the actual game, he may be able to use if for up to a minute, but it doesnt mean he gets unlimited of it.

Burning thought
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. Sephs speed would be more than fast enough to kill prince. And for the millionth time, sephs reaction time will also be faster than princes, just as his speed would. you keep acting as if princes normal reactions are as fast as sephs. Just like his speed, his reactions in real time are multiple times faster than princes, so just like speed, even if prince slowed down time, sephs already super fast reactions would be slown down to somewhere around or faster than princes. This goes for every different type of speed of sephs, so quickness, agility, speed, are all going to be slowed down to a little faster than princes, if not more. And prove it? have you even played final fantasy? all of his speed categories ARE MULTIPLE times faster than princes, so if princes sands slow an average enemies speed to near hardly moving, its logical to think that someone, who is lets say about 15 times faster than an average human, would not be slown as much. If anyone has to prove anything, its you would have to prove that princes sand powers would slow seph to less than princes.

3. Not even. Its already obvious that seph would be faster than prince, we dont know if it would be by a large margin, but it would be by some. Then the fact that he has tk, which would be almost impossible for prince to dodge, the fact he can teleport, he can shoot lasers out of his sword, would be more than enough speed to kill prince. easily.

4. ok, look. The logical thing to happen if you go back in time, is to lose your memory and for it to return to normal. That doesnt happen with prince, so whos to say that anything else apart of him is logical? You say that the logical thing to do is for the sands to come back to normal and return, yet his memory doesnt, so just as illogical as his memory not returning to normal could be the same case and his sands not returning would be just as illogical as that. It was shown in canon and noncanon that his mind stays the same and you then believe it as fact. Since you dont understand what im saying, im simply going to ask you one question. Prove that his sand tanks are unlimited in a canon fight.


And yes, i said that sand tanks are noncanon, but you seem to not understand what that means. All sand tanks do is give the game a limit to how much time power the player can use. Just because there not there in a canon fight does not mean that he gets "unlimited" sand powers, as to think that would just mean your plain assuming things and being ignorant. All its saying is that in a canon fight, we dont know how much sand he actually has, so he may have less than in the actual game, he may be able to use if for up to a minute, but it doesnt mean he gets unlimited of it.

1. Show me proof for Sephiroths reaction time being so much faster than princes please, to the degree that even when slowed to a crawl he would outspeed prince by such a margin? And where has Seph showed agility on par with Prince?

And why would I prove that when youve yet to prove Sephiroths speed is by such a high margin, its already proven Prince slows beings of human speed to hardly moving, including arrows and the various fast traps he has to get past which are faster than humans....Sephiroth is not that much faster in every way, especially his mind, which cannot be proven to be much faster.

3. TK has nothing to do with Sephiroths movement speed, you still need to prove he can actually will such an effect to the same degree of speed as you think he would be in every other aspect when slowed.

4. Well you have to assume its logical, otherwise this debate will immedialtey become worthless, in every debate logic has to be taken into consideration unless something else says otherwise about that character. Its proven his memory is the same, its not proven his sands are.

Why not? he can do time powers, we know how they work, and they work on the fly, and they even worked when he first finds the dagger, has no idea of its full power or how to use it and could have been lieing where he found it for years, yet it still works. The sands of time are his only in-game limit.....what happens if in a canon instance (like this debate) that limit is removed?

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by Burning thought
yeh Prince calls a godzor ray of light which destroys the planet!

Yeah, and himself while Seph will be unharmed

Burning thought
Nah he has an anti sephiroth ray too which wipes out the FF universe along with Sephiroths she-male gheyness!

Ultimate Wil
Originally posted by Burning thought
Nah he has an anti sephiroth ray too which wipes out the FF universe along with Sephiroths she-male gheyness!

Ha, and Sephiroth has the ability to destroy the entire universe, and he will survive in space while everyone else dies, and there is no way to counter it laughing out loud in your face

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