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We all know that the term 'peak human' means quite little in comics. Characters like say, Batman, are meant to be only human with no super powers, just incredibly well-trained. Yet they are frequently shown doing blatently super-human feats, well beyond what a real-life 'peak human' could achieve.

Which 'peak human' characters (DC, Marvel or any company) tend to have the most plausible feats? Basically, which characters have the most feats that you could accept as possible for a highly trained athlete/martial artist etc, within a reasonable amount of suspension of disbelief (I realise that different people have different opinions on what a 'reasonable amount' is).

They don't have to be completely realistic, just not blatently superhuman.

Punisher or maybe wild cat but i'm not sure if they are labeled as peak human.

i agree on the punisher one also moonknight seems to take a more realistic damage with consequences of injury.

i think shang chi is also fairly reasonable.

Not sure about shang chi being reasonable. He has survived being belted thousands of feat into the air and then the subsequent fall.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i agree on the punisher one also moonknight seems to take a more realistic damage with consequences of injury.

i think shang chi is also fairly reasonable.

Punisher took several bullets to his chest and still managed to snap the neck of his enemy.

Moonknight withstood adamantium claws. Recently he was knocked down by a car and he instantly got up with no ill-effects.

Shang Chi level is just impossible to achieve.

Wyatt Wingfoot Gladiator(Potter) Ox Kingpin

oh yeah forgot his fight with the dragon, cross him off the list

but yeah wildcat definitely one of them.

nomad / Jack Monroe.. out of all the actual Supersoldiers he seemed
more reasonable.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Punisher took several bullets to his chest and still managed to snap the neck of his enemy.

Moonknight withstood adamantium claws. Recently he was knocked down by a car and he instantly got up with no ill-effects.

Shang Chi level is just impossible to achieve.

They aren't ideal candidates but they are closer than others. If we look at other comics outside of marvel and DC. There are definitly not super crazy stuff happening and they are just normal guys. But yeah I don't read that to much ... taht would be boring lol

To be fair the concept of 'peak' human doesn't really exist in DC. They don't have strength scales as such.I thought they just had metas and non-metas.

I don't even think Frank is considered a peak human by Marvel.

add current moonknight to that list.

athlete level by bio definition.

Originally posted by golem370
athlete level by bio definition.

With the exception of his insane damage soaking abilities I don't really think that contradicts his on panel showings though. I have never seen him display speed/strength that other generally accepted peak humans have.

Athlete is somebody able to lift ones own body weight or double where peak human is somebody able to lift twice ones own body weight too 800lbs.

Intelligence: Ability to think
1 - Non-Sentient: instinctual behavior only
2 - Learning Impaired: major mental deficiencies
3 - Below Normal: minor mental deficiencies
4 - Normal: possessing an intelligence quotient that is approximately average
5 - Above Normal: possessing a significantly higher than average IQ
6 - Gifted: possessing a significantly higher than average IQ and creative talents
7 - Genius: possessing an extremely high IQ and creative talents
8 - Extraordinary Genius: possessing genius in multiple intellectual areas
9 - Superhuman: possessing genius in virtually all intellectual areas
10 - Immeasurable: alien, omniscient



Strength: Ability to lift weight above one's head with arms fully extended
1 - Below Normal: cannot lift one's own body weight
2 - Normal: able to lift one's own body weight
3 - Athlete: able to lift from one's own body weight up to double one's own body weight
4 - Peak Human: able to lift double one's own body weight to 800 pound range
5 - Enhanced Human: able to lift in the 800 pound to 2 ton range
6 - Superhuman Class 10: able to lift in the 2 to 10 ton range
7 - Superhuman Class 25: able to lift in the 10 to 25 ton range
8 - Superhuman Class 50: able to lift in the 25 to 50 ton range
9 - Superhuman Class 75: able to lift in the 50 to 75 ton range
10 - Superhuman Class 90: able to lift in the 75 to 90 ton range
11 - Superhuman Class 100: able to lift in the 90 to 100 ton range
12 - Incalculable: able to lift in excess of 100 tons



Speed: Ability to move over land by running
1 - Below Normal: cannot attain 3-5 miles per hour
2 - Normal: peak range: 6-10 miles per hour
3 - Athlete: peak range: 11-20 miles per hour
4 - Peak Human: peak range: 21-35 miles per hour
5 - Enhanced Human: peak range: 36-65 miles per hour
6 - Superhuman: peak range: 111-115 miles per hour
7 - Subsonic: peak range: 250-500 miles per hour
8 - Speed of Sound: able to reach Mach 1: 770 miles per hour at sea level
9 - Supersonic: peak range: Mach 2 to Mach 4.6: .22-1 miles per second
10 - Orbital Velocity: peak range: Mach 18.7 to Mach 23.3: 1-5 miles per second; when a runner reaches this speed he is no longer in contact with the ground and thus not running



Flight Speed: Ability to move through open air or space by flying
1 - Hover only
2 - Directed Motion Hovering: peak range: 10-30 miles per hour
3 - Natural Winged Flight Limit: peak range: 150-160 miles per hour
4 - Artificial Winged Flight: peak limit: 160-200 miles per hour
5 - Subsonic: peak range: 250-500 miles per hour
6 - Speed of Sound: able to reach Mach 1: 770 miles per hour; .22 miles per second
7 - Supersonic: peak range: Mach 2 to Mach 4.6: .22-1 miles per second
8 - Orbital Velocity: peak range: Mach 18.7 to Mach 23.3: 1-5 miles per second
9 - Escape Velocity: Mach 32.7: 7 miles per second
10 - Sub-light Speed: peak range: 80% - 99.65% light speed: 150,000 to 185,620 miles per second
11 - Light Speed: 186,000 miles per second, cannot be attained by physical beings within Earth's atmosphere
12 - Warp Speed: able to enter and traverse through warp space by transcending light speed, cannot be attained by physical beings within Earth's atmosphere



Water Speed: Ability to move through water by swimming (NOTE: 1 knot=1.151 miles per hour)
1 - Normal: peak range: 3-5 knots
2 - Athlete: peak range: 7-12 knots
3 - Peak Human: peak range: 12-15 knots
4 - Enhanced Human: peak range: 20-25 knots
5 - Superhuman: peak range: 50-60 knots
6 - Maximum: around 700 knots, detrimental environmental effects will occur, causing water to convert to plasma, etc



Stamina: Ability to sustain peak exertion before fatigue impairs performance
1 - Below Normal: unable to sustain for 1 minute
2 - Normal: able to sustain for 1 minute
3 - Athlete: able to sustain for several minutes
4 - Peak Human: able to sustain for up to an hour
5 - Enhanced Human: able to sustain for several hours
6 - Superhuman: able to sustain for up to a day
7 - Metahuman: able to sustain for several days
8 - Demi-godlike: able to sustain for weeks
9 - Godlike: able to sustain almost indefinitely
10 - Immeasurable: never tire due to self-generating energy



Durability: Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury or disease
1 - Below Normal
2 - Normal: average resilience
3 - Athlete: conditioned metabolism enabling efficient healing
4 - Peak Human: conditioned metabolism enabling extraordinarily efficient healing
5 - Enhanced Human: skin, bone, and muscle augmented to make it stronger and harder than human; impervious to injury to a certain extent
6 - Enhanced Human Regenerative: skin, bone, and muscle retains human durability but body is able to heal near-lethal injuries by regenerating cells to a limited extent
7 - Superhuman: skin, bone, and muscle augmented to make it stronger and harder than human; impervious to injury to an extraordinary extent
8 - Superhuman Regenerative: able to regenerate injured tissue and brain cells to an extraordinary degree; but not able to regenerate missing limbs or organs
9 - Metahuman: able to withstand extreme temperatures and pressures, and virtually all toxins, corrosives, punctures, and concussions without sustaining injury
10 - Metahuman Regenerative: able to regenerate injured or missing brain cells, tissue, limbs or organs
11 - Demi-godlike: able to withstand all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion
12 - Demi-godlike Regenerative: able to heal all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion
13 - Godlike: able to reconstitute body after total molecular disintegration
14 - Totally Indestructible: absolutely cannot be injured



Agility: Ability to move the body with flexibility and coordination
1 - Below Normal
2 - Normal
3 - Athlete
4 - Peak Human
5 - Enhanced Human: beyond the natural limits of the human body
6 - Superhuman: significantly beyond the natural limits of the human body
7 - Metahuman: extraordinarily beyond the natural limits of the human body



Reflexes: Reaction time
1 - Below Normal
2 - Normal
3 - Athlete
4 - Peak Human
5 - Enhanced Human: beyond the natural limits of the human body
6 - Superhuman: virtually instantaneous
7 - Metahuman: instantaneous

Originally posted by Warrior18
I have never seen him display speed/strength that other generally accepted peak humans have.



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you ever thing that he simply pushed him away while unaware or prepared to brace himself, after all a two yr old can push you back when your not ready.

Batman
Moon Knight

batman is already out of the run he is no where near plausible,

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
you ever thing that he simply pushed him away while unaware or prepared to brace himself, after all a two yr old can push you back when your not ready.

I was just kidding.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


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Ah yes but that is a punchi........................oi!!!!

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
batman is already out of the run he is no where near plausible,

You think Batkick isn't possible? Infidel! uhuh

Alfred the butler.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You think Batkick isn't possible? Infidel! uhuh


it is when you hover and camera pans around while you twist an dodge gun fire then levitate to bat kick your enemy who can at times be as durable as grundy for a ko.

Football players have been recorded causing a impact = 3000 pounds per square inch of damage with a tackle I think that right. Batman is arguably stronger & faster then most of them.

When no one was looking, Lex Luthor took fourty cakes. He took 40 cakes. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible.

this isn't a versus thread


but anyway moonknight is the only one who comes to mind

Originally posted by Sin I AM
this isn't a versus thread


but anyway moonknight is the only one who comes to mind


what about jack monroe nomad?

Most likely guys like Batroc the leaper would be believable.

meh never liked the character.. black widow comes to mind though

Rorschach

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Rorschach
Seconded. That guy makes Batman look like a sissy.


Nick Fury maybe, too.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Rorschach

And Dreidberg, and Laurie too.

Colleen Wing, Peace.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
And Dreidberg, and Laurie too.

Yep, non Ozzymandias humans on Watchmen are actually cool. What about the Question?

Jarvis

Maybe the Question

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Maybe the Question

He aint Peak is he? Don't think he is even close...

Originally posted by Lord Feron
He aint Peak is he? Don't think he is even close... He has peak human intellect

Sentry

It's just roids.

bane

I was going to say Kraven the Hunter but honestly on second thought...I'm not so sure XD. Probably not =P

So probably Punisher is one of the closest, Wildcat should be fairly close too I would assume.

Originally posted by iceman24567
He has peak human intellect

Oh snap!

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
When no one was looking, Lex Luthor took fourty cakes. He took 40 cakes. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible.
Well played.

Originally posted by Ban Mido
I was going to say Kraven the Hunter but honestly on second thought...I'm not so sure XD. Probably not =P

Kraven's superhuman stats.

Ted Kord...

Originally posted by Lord Feron
He aint Peak is he? Don't think he is even close...

Thank you to everyone.

Just to clarify, the characters don't necessarily have to be "confirmed Peak humans." Just general 'highly trained men/women who have no super-powers.'

So for example, Punisher would do fine.

Originally posted by golem370
Athlete is somebody able to lift ones own body weight or double where peak human is somebody able to lift twice ones own body weight too 800lbs.

Intelligence: Ability to think
1 - Non-Sentient: instinctual behavior only
2 - Learning Impaired: major mental deficiencies
3 - Below Normal: minor mental deficiencies
4 - Normal: possessing an intelligence quotient that is approximately average
5 - Above Normal: possessing a significantly higher than average IQ
6 - Gifted: possessing a significantly higher than average IQ and creative talents
7 - Genius: possessing an extremely high IQ and creative talents
8 - Extraordinary Genius: possessing genius in multiple intellectual areas




Strength: Ability to lift weight above one's head with arms fully extended
1 - Below Normal: cannot lift one's own body weight
2 - Normal: able to lift one's own body weight
3 - Athlete: able to lift from one's own body weight up to double one's own body weight
4 - Peak Human: able to lift double one's own body weight to 800 pound range


Speed: Ability to move over land by running
1 - Below Normal: cannot attain 3-5 miles per hour
2 - Normal: peak range: 6-10 miles per hour
3 - Athlete: peak range: 11-20 miles per hour
4 - Peak Human: peak range: 21-35 miles per hour



Water Speed: Ability to move through water by swimming (NOTE: 1 knot=1.151 miles per hour)
1 - Normal: peak range: 3-5 knots
2 - Athlete: peak range: 7-12 knots
3 - Peak Human: peak range: 12-15 knots



Stamina: Ability to sustain peak exertion before fatigue impairs performance
1 - Below Normal: unable to sustain for 1 minute
2 - Normal: able to sustain for 1 minute
3 - Athlete: able to sustain for several minutes
4 - Peak Human: able to sustain for up to an hour




Durability: Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury or disease
1 - Below Normal
2 - Normal: average resilience
3 - Athlete: conditioned metabolism enabling efficient healing
4 - Peak Human: conditioned metabolism enabling extraordinarily efficient healing


Thank you very much.

How accurate is this in real-life terms?

Most of it seems very accurate in real life. I think the strongest humans were able to lift something like 600lbs over their heads. So if someone could magically amp a human muscle naturally to the point right before it explodes or has failure then I believe that lifting 800lbs is very close to a reality. The fastest humans (with steroids) run about 24-28 mph for short spurts. So 35mph seems about right. The swimming might be a little out of range though. I would say peak human is 8knots max. This is almost double the speed as the fastest swimmer ever recorded. The stamina for a peak human should be around 20-30min max (probably less though).

I keep reading that Michael Johnson was clocked at around 25 miles per hour when he broke the 200 metre record in 1996. He never touched illegal substances.

Does anyone know how fast Bolt ran in miles per hour?

The record for the Men's Clean and Jerk is 580.3 pounds. This was set in Athens 2004.

As time goes on these records could very well get broken over and over again. I think Marvel have done rather well with peak human stat estimates concerning strength and running speed.

Moon Knight

Even back in the 80's Marvel Universe handbooks did a nice job of classifying the non-super heroes.

Nick fury seems plausible. Punisher most of the time is plausible. Black widow is. I'm trying to decide whether conan is plausible... he certainly falls for the most human temptations.

Conan is not peak human. He performs feats way more impressive than peak human regularly.

Punisher Nick Fury Wildcat moon knight

no one at all.......not a soul

The Phantom is a believable peak human. But his world has very few metas anyway.

Sentry

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Sentry

huh?

Originally posted by Mshinu
huh?

Since his upgrade I think he's powerful enough to be peak human

Deadpool

Iron Fist.

If I knew Kung-fu, I could do the same thing to Hellicarrier awesome

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Iron Fist.

If I knew Kung-fu, I could do the same thing to Hellicarrier awesome

It's all about chi.

He's a very poor man's Goku.

Originally posted by Blanket
Ki Both.

Ki.

No chi

Originally posted by Blanket
Ki.

No chi

Guy

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Punisher nope he can lift & hold a guy with 1 arm *stretched* (guy prolly weigh over 150lb) & he do it easily & he done it at least twice. no peak human can do that

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
nope he can lift & hold a guy with 1 arm *stretched* (guy prolly weigh over 150lb) & he do it easily & he done it at least twice. no peak human can do that Big Show could

Originally posted by Blanket
Ki.

No chi
I'm pretty sure one is just a romanization of the other.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm pretty sure one is just a romanization of the other. Nope. Ki

Originally posted by Blanket
Nope. Ki
They're the same thing, Ki is the romanized Japanese way of saying Qi (pronounced Ch'i) the Chinese word meaning life energy or the flow thereof.

Originally posted by Blanket
Big Show could Maybe, but has he kept them out there for an extended time?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
They're the same thing, Ki is the romanized Japanese way of saying Qi (pronounced Ch'i) the Chinese word meaning life energy or the flow thereof. Ki

Worf is peak human Klingons suppose to three times stronger then humans.

...

That's just amazing.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
They're the same thing, Ki is the romanized Japanese way of saying Qi (pronounced Ch'i) the Chinese word meaning life energy or the flow thereof.

Just to add further clarification: "Chi" and "Ki" are, in general linguistic terms, interchangeable, depending on locality and dialect. However, in a metaphysical context, they *are* often distinguished: "Chi" may be used in several contextual meanings, while "Ki" is properly used only in metaphysical terms; that is, you *can* use both to refer to the metaphysical properties of "life-force in the breath", but it is more correct to use "Ki" when doing so, as its applied meaning is more specific. Note that this linguistic distinction is only about a century and a half old, dating to the early Victorian era -- before that, there was no delineated distinction.

The more you know... (shooting star...)

lmao, Ki is NOT a romanized version of Chi.

Both are letters in the three Japanese alphabets and have completely different meanings.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
lmao, Ki is NOT a romanized version of Chi.

Both are letters in the three Japanese alphabets and have completely different meanings.

That, too... Should have mentioned that myself, in terms of linguistics, but kept my response in term so applied English. (Where is Mordwyr when I need him? He teaches in Japan, and could clarify this better than I could...)

Obregon Kaine from Crossgen

Ozymandias to an extent. Other than the bullet catch pretty much everything he did was well within the capabilities of an Olympic-class athlete or someone like Bruce Lee.