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I don't know about you but I would pay to see Juggernaut and Collosus throwng cars at eachother and tossin eachother around in X3

juggernaut will win

It doesn't matter who wins just to see those go at it for a good five minutes would be good enough for me. Just as long as theres no interference.

juggernaut would definetly win

Juggernaut would lose if his helmet was knocked off by Collosus.

no he would not.

The helmet is the only thing protecting him from Collosus

collosus wouldn't be able to get to juggernaut's helmet

Collosus would get to his helmet because hes alot faster and flexible

juggernaut isn't that dumb ok if he even sees colossaus trying to reach for his helmet he will hit colossaus very badly

Not if he can't catch him first

you ever see the episode when they first met juggernaut and did you see colossaus getting any good hits that hurt juggernaut bad. Colossaus was the one who got his ass kicked bad.

Which one X-Men Evolution or X-Men from the 90's?

the x-men 90's

I love that episode thats when they were tossin cars I would love to have seen a rematch

but if it wasent for cyclops's plan they wouldnt have been able to defeat juggernaut

That's cause he doesn't feel pain I would like to see Juggernaut try against Apocalypse.

hold on this thread is about juggernaut vs colossaus so you cant say that.

True I should know since I made it but still Collosus has the speed and brains Juggernaut is rather slow in the noggin.

but since he lacks in speed he is good in strength.

Just as long as Collosus keeps his distance he would definitely win

no he still would lose.

Ok for example since Juggernaut mainly charges you up and is rather light headed than if they were fighting on a cliff Collosus would jump out the way and Juggernaut would fall to his death.

juggernaut can not die.

Yes he can if he falls into an endless pit

whatever. but juggernaut still can beat colossaus on strength

I guess we will never know until they match them up again in comic or toons

collosus is CL100 now but I still think jugg would win. even if he knocks his hemet off so what? Colosuss is not a pyschic so it wouldnt make a difference

It depends if you have the Collosus who's on the X-Men hes a bit more tamed but by himself he has nothing to lose so he gives it that extra effort

what is wrong with you ppl, the helmet protects him from telepaths, even if colossus could take is helmet, he would still loose.

that's why Juggernaut was once dubbed as the UNSTOPPABLE...

juggernaut can beat any mutant one on one ok except Gladiator and Magneto and maybe rogue.

There is alot of mutants he can't beat not just three you forgot Apocalypse, Sinister, and Blob.

HE can beat the blob.

I think it would be pretty hard to call that fight

forgive me for my ignorance but who is Gladiator?

galadiator is aprat of the shi'ar guardian.

Gladiator just threw Juggernaut around in the 90's X-Men toons like a little toy.

Colossus has no real chance (as much as I hate to say it), Juggernaut is too strong and too durable for our Russian friend.

actually onslaught threw juggy half way across america like a pebble and when he saw hem again he ripped the cytorrak gem (juggernauts source of power) out of his chest and trapped him inside of it. and onslaught could even beat the hulk

well that doesnt matter cuz this is colossaus against juggernaut.not about onlsaught vs juggerneaut.

as much as it pains me to say it, Colossus would lose... I mean, he's a mutant who is invulnerable to physical harm, doesnt need to breathe, and can lift an excess of 100 tons.
But Juggernaut uses magic (which is what the gem of Cytorrak is: magic). Magic is a bit more powerful then mutant abilities, so Juggy would hve the upper hand.

yep he's right. p.s. juggernaut,sabretooth and wolverine aren't techniclly mutants b/c they don't have ne powers of their own

What do you mean Wolverine is not a mutant? He has the power to heal himself, sense of smell, agility, etc.

Sabtretooth is the same except he has a bit of super strength as well.

They were both born with all of these powers so that makes them mutants.

Yeah Sabretooth and Wolverine are mutants, but anyway, Colossus would win, but it would be close.

Juggernaut would slaughter collosus

I think collosus would kick juggernauts ass

no way they were given these poweres by the weapon x program, but anyways wither one of them could win b/c one of them might be having and off day or one of them might be late for a dentist appointment or something

Their powers were not given to them by the Weapon X program it was just Wolverine's adamantuim skeleton and claws but he was born with his powers and so was Sabertooth.

juggernaut has the brawn, but colossus has the brains, brains counts every time. colossus, but only just.

I believe they call that 'Brains over brawns' which is one of the reasons why Collosus would win.

As much as I love Colossus, I dont see him beating Juggernaut. It would have to be a tie at least but I think Juggernaut just has way too much endurance. Colossus would get tired eventually. The brain over brawns thing doesnt really apply on this scale. Is the Beast gonna beat Juggernaut?

There is no way Pete is beating Marko in a physical fight, because there is no way to stop him at all. That is unless one of you guys can tell me how Colossus can beat Juggernaut in a physical confrontation by any means.

Well I said this before but I will say it again as an example

If Collosus and The Juggernaut were fighting on a very high cliff and The Juggernaut decided to charge Collosus then Collosus could jump out of the way and The Juggernaut would plummet to the ground. He wouldn't be dead but he would be defeated.

This is really no contest. Juggernaut wins easily.

Would be nice to see though

Colossus is my favorite Marvel hero. His an artist, and buff as hell and very honrable. He did get his ass handed to him in one of the issues of uncanny x-men. I can't remeber which issue but it was when they first met. They met in a bar and wolverine was with colossus. The Juggernaugt and Collossus got in a brawl and Juggernaugt won. Colossus was pissed because he did'nt listen to wolverine and just let it all go. Anyways. Colossus in his prime I think could take on Juggernaught magic might be powerful, but Colossus's will would bring him over the top. If Colossus saw Juggernaught harm say Kitty Pride? The Juggernaught would be toast. And in X-3 it should have Juggernaught rob a bank, and Colossus and Kitty inside of it. Juggernaught robs it and hurts Kitty, and Colossus runs after him and kicks his ass. It should last like 10 min long. It would KICK BUTT~ and it should have alot more colossus and less wolverine, but they should have the fast ball special with the two of them. that would be funny to see.

Yeah it would be nice to see.

You're right it would be nice to see, because the result would be this. Wolvie flys into Juggy and bounces off harmlessly. Cain laughs picks the stunned Wovie up and throws him a few miles in whatever direction he's currently facing. He then starts walking towards Colossus. Peter responds by throwing the local debrie at juggy. Cars and lamposts in the city trees, rocks and small animals in the wilderness, they do NOTHING. Because when the Juggernaut begins moving nothing except himself stops him. And when Peter runs out of stuff to throw he'll have to go hand to hand with Cain. And the result of that will be Clossus being compressed into the size of a tin can and Juggernaut going on a wander to get some free money from a bank.

moving to vs forum...

Colossus vs the Juggernaut ? Hah, Colossus gets his shiny ass kicked. He has virtually no chance against Juggernaut, because he can not hurt Juggernaut.

He can not hurt him, he will get tired, hungry... whatever. Juggernaut won't. Juggernaut can deal out more damage to Colossus than vice versa. And is also way more durable.

Colossus is a better fighter and is smarter, true, but in this case it won't make that much difference. In the end, Juggernaut wins.

I agree...i think these people need to stop watching cartoons anr refer to the actual comic books...I think that Jugs has pretty much got this one tied up...except that i think Colossus kinda has a determined/lucky/wildcard property like the Thing does...although he shouldnt be able to win some fights on paper, he still manages to do so

First of all, if jugs falls off a cliff, he can walk on air or climb up the cliff. He has done the former before. Second, Hulk is pretty much on the level with juggernaut, and he's everything colossus is and then some (cept for skin toughness). Third, Juggernaut is bigger, and smarter. You all talk like Cain is some idiot! He may not be a genius, but he's sure as hell smart enough to kick Colossus's ass.

Juggernaut wins 10/10 1v1 matches.

Agreed. If Juggernaut doesn't wear him down earlier, Colossus would probably go down when he expends his steel form. And if they're fighting on a tall, thin, American Gladiator joust style platform and Juggernaut falls off, he'll just climb back up. Or knock the mountain's lights out and bring Colossus down with it.

The funny thing is, Juggernaut is so much bigger he could just grab colossus in his hands and crush him.

I'd giggle for an hour if I saw Juggernaut "beer can" Colossus on his forehead.

1. they are both damn near invincible(no juggy isn't invincible)
2.neither of them need to eat drink, brethe or tire
3.they never tire
4.collosus is more expieriened in fighting, and in tactics and would eventually trick him(because juggy isn't a monkey or ne thing but he ain't exaclty mr.fantastic either)

1) Colossus is nowhere near invicible. His level of damage resistance is laughable when compared to juggernaut's.

2) Wrong, Colossus cannot stay in his organic metal form forever without eating or drinking. He does get tired.

3) See above.

4) No he isn't. Juggernaut was enlisted in the army during 'nam (Cain Marko) and has been a X-men villain longer then Colossus has been an X-man.


You know nothing about either character. Go read some comics before stating things you don't know anything about.

(if you can prove me wrong, give me an issue number, I dare ya )

1.he's almost as invincible as hulk
2. I know more about both of the characters than you and I like them both the same
3. collosus' record time in staying in armoured form is five days and while in ARMOURED form he dosn't need to eat drink or brethe and doesn't tire and I highly doubt that they will be fighting for over five days
4. juggernaut's an @$$ he couldn't beat collosus in tactics collosus can run cirlces around the danger room(which can be hard even for wolverine). finally in strenght and invincibitlity juggy wins no contest but piotr would find a way to beat him and he's been a villian longer because a. the gem of cytorak makes him look like he's in his late twety's /early 30's even though he's forty two and collosus wasn't even a teenager when he got his power

With what?

1) Hulk isn't nearly invincible at all. He has thick skin, and Colossus is actually considered to be TOUGHER then Hulk. He is still no where near invincible, and doesn't come near Juggernaut's level.

2) No, you don't, and I don't care if you do.

3) You just proved my point. He does require food and water because he can't stay in armored form indefinitly. He does tire, although it takes an extreme amount of exertion to do so. And you're right, Juggs has this in under an hour.

4) Tactics really don't matter when Colossus can't even hurt him. Not only that, but Colossus can run circles around Juggernaut all he wants, but when Juggernaut gives him a backhand you can be sure he's going to be moving away from Juggernaut at speeds he's never even dreamt of.

everyone always underetimates colossus, he is probably the most under rated hero out there, both of these guys have class 100 strength, and both of them would have a realy realy realy hard time hurting eachother,
these guys are strong enough to throw the other one into space, bit colossus doenst need to breath, juggy does

what are you smokin? juggernaut doesn't need to brethe eat or drink at all

u sure?, i thought that was only 8th day that didnt need to brethe, but im prolly wrong

Hey all you people that don't actually read comics but yet insist on voicing your unknowledgable opinion.

They already fought before.

Juggernaut in his normal clothes was hitting on a woman in a bar. Colossus bumped into Juggernaut and he started to fight. A slightly annoyed juggernaut then beat the crap out of colossus without much trouble at all.

Juggernaut commented on how badly he beat Colossus and Wolverine who watched the fight agreed.

didnt colossus beat ironman and thor at the same time, and wouldnt thor wipe the floor with juggy

Do you read comics at all? Colossus beat IronMan and Thor in the ULTIMATE UNIVERSE. A universe completely seperate from the mainstream marvel universe. The mainstream marvel universe is what im talking about.

In there first battle, Thor got beaten by juggernaut badly. He then tried the godblast but juggernaut was pushing through it. Thor then wrapped juggernaut in tons of metal and teleported him away.

In their second battle, thor used his hammer to create a spinning vortex which cut off juggernaut from his power source for 60 seconds. Thor then started to turn the tides on juggernaut and started to overpower him. The 60 seconds time was up and Juggernaut regained his full power. Thor tied juggernaut's hand to the end of the mjolnir and hurled the mjolnir into the sky taking juggernaut along as well.

Thor has never out right beaten Juggernaut as long as Juggernaut has had the power of cytorak.

i know it was the ultimate universe, but i didnt know that there powers where that differant, i thought that they where the same powers, just differant setting and universe and such

Ultimate are very different. I despise ultimate for the reason that lot of people new to comics get the wrong ideas... besides, I've always felt that ultimates are the "User friendly" version of comics aimed at new readers and younger readers.

so are there powers that differant??

Yes, some characters are.

colossus inculded?

Meh, they made him more powerful, but not like totaly different, like Carnage and Venom.

Yeah just for the record this thread was made before the VS forum.

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I know dontgetit

Just wanted to put it out there it didn't mean anything.

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They made colossus massively stronger in the ultimates universe.

Cartoons aren't the same as the actual comics.

We all know when this thread was made via the date marker.

Where the hell did this thread come from?

And people actually believe Colossus's power can compare to Juggernaut's?

The thought of that is laughable. Colossus on his best day can't come close to Juggernaut. Yeah, he's a bit smarter, AND? Someone tell me how he's gonna win this one. Some are saying if he's on a cliff, blah blah blah, okay, and if they're not on a cliff? What's Piotre gonna do then? Even if Juggernaut hurt Kitty, Colossus will just be put to sleep mad. Even at class 100, Colossus doesn't stand a chance against someone who rivals Hulk in power, and simply can't be hurt. If Colosuss doesn't have the rest of his team on this, then he's royally f*cked.

And, my opinion, if they put Juggernaut in the next X movie or any one after that, then chances are they'll go the way of Ultimate and make him a mutant like they did Deathstrike (which still sucks in my eyes to this day).

Sure he agreed, because he knew he would get his ass kicked if he did otherwise.

what the hell....why are people posting so much garbage....i saw someone say that Jugs has to eat and drink....freshen up on ur comics guys

I don't know if it's changed over time or he can but doesn't need to. 'Cause he was in that mountain for a long time.

he doesnt have to....he only eats and drinks for pleasure...he is totally sustained by his Cytorak' power

Ohhh.. I misread.

here are two totally off topic comments 1. wher can you buy the old x-men shows from and 2. can't juggernaut be like matter eater lad? he never has to worry about food poisoning or it hurting his jaws or teeth.

There is 5 episodes available on DVD its called 'The Legend Of Wolverine' and you can find it at most stores where DVD's are sold.

*coughkazcoughzacough*

I made it about two months ago in the X-Men forum and a few weeks ago the VS forum was made so it was moved here.

man, they should put those old cartoons back on, right now all they have is evo, and it sucks,

and juggy would prolly win, bus colossus is still cooler, and smarter

No, all the X-men cartoons suck. They need some that are accurate with the comics and aimed at older audiences. Plus the animation in the original blows.

Juggy WOULD win, Colossus is NOT cooler, and you can't prove that he's smarter.

well, juggy would win, they are both cool, bit juggy is a dumbass, and colossus is like a doctor in his home land, or something like that

How about no Scott. He was a farmer's son in Russia. Sooo.... shut yer trap. Juggernaut is NOT a dumbass, he was smart enough to get into the army and they have basic intelligence tests.

ok, iwas unaware of juggernauts inteligents, and maybe i was rong about the doctor thing, i thnk i saw that in a video game, and did u call me scott?

By memory, the old cartoon rocked. But I imagine if I saw it today, I'd be very unimpressed. Still, it can't be as bad as evolution.

As a high level Juggernaut fanboy, I was very disappointed with him getting thrown by Jean Grey and dragged easily by Shadowcat. And that he was wearing a helmet with convenient buckles. The Megaman boots weren't helping either.

ya, juggy blows in evo, and so does colossus, even blob is stronger than colossus in evo, the only thing in evo that was cool is the sentinal, but it was way over powered, and yes the old cartoon did rock

I used to love the old X-men show, then i saw some episodes. God the animation/voices/plot all suck.



And yes, I called you scott.

i havent seen it in like 4 years

Exuse me but this might just be me but the VOICES and PLOT were the best back then and still are today so much so that you forgot that the animation wasn't Oscar worthy.

topic

Ok who do you think would win?

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i hate dickheads.

If you want you can PM me your choice.

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I won't kill you! http://images.killermovies.com/forums/moresmilies/no.gif

I'm not sure of that

now back to topic

is there really anything that needs to be said??? i think i'm going to get out of the comic business if people really think that colossus has a chance in hell to win this damn fight.

happened atleast twice in comics..... far as i can recall juggernaut has laid colussus out twice.

in review Juggernaut 2 colossus 0. i think thier records speak for themselves.

Well since only a psychic attack can layout Juggy (or throwing him away, but Colossus doesn't have the strength) this fight is kind of pointless. Juggy takes this without to much effort

Well like I said before, if they are fighting some place high enough then Collosus can get the Juggernaut to fall off that high place in plenty of different ways. He wouldn't be able to kill him but he would still win the fight.

must i show you proof that juggernaut -has- won. juggernaut would win -again- if they fought???? are you so blind to the fact that in the cartoon even, colossus was not a match for juggernaut. in the comics he was not a match......

lets take a look at picture # 1

http://www.geocities.com/pic_housing2/Colossus_KO1.txt

now in the picture, you can clearly see juggernaut knocking colossus out. (puts emphasis on the limp colossus in juggernauts hand)

picture # 2

http://www.geocities.com/pic_housing2/Colossus_KO2.txt

notice how colossus is laying on the ground, not moving call me crazy but i'd say that juggernaut won those fights...... but wait didnt you say "but he would still wint he fight" i think you have just failed. please stop back in next week for a re-test. grades are plummeting

Juggernaut has shown he can walk on air itself before. Juggernautfan probably has the pic.

It's not a sumo wrestling match. If one of them falls, he'd probably hop/climb back up in a minute or two. That's if the one up top doesn't jump down and onto his opponent for some extra damage.

It depends how high up they both are. If Juggernaut fell at least 10, 000 feet then I think Collosus would win the match.

Or not, Juggernaut can walk on air goddamnit!

I'm talking about the old classic Juggy.

wtf, explain how he would win the match. Juggernaut doesn't get hurt by him.

I'm just saying if he fell down many thousands of feet to the ground he wouldn't be that hurt but Collosus would win the match because by the time he gets back up to where Collosus is then he will be gone already.

how but the new improved colossus? the one that got lose from magneto's grip, 100 ton class. the old colossus would get whipped by juggy, doesn't stand a chance. but how bout the new colossus?

thats who i was thinking of, but in the end jugy would win cuz colossus would just get tired after like 4 days of beating eachother

collosus doesn't get tired, but he can be knocked out and when unconcius, he is automatcially unarmoured so juggy could whoop him then

I think 4 days would be more than enough time for Collosus to think about a solution to beating the Juggernaut or a way to get away from him.

ya, but it would be realy realy hard to knock him unconcius, like how many times has that happened? not to often, in fact i dont think it has happend to the new colossus, juggy would win only becaus colosuss cant stay armoured forever, the longest he ever went has like 5 days

If you're going to use Ultimate Colossus, might as well used 8th day Juggernaut.



First, you'd have to find a 10 thousand foot sheer drop. Then you'd have to convince whoever's judging the match to consider running away a win.

ok, so 1 in 50 million fights colossus wins cause juggernaut falls out of a plane...... not thrown out......... falls out, and its colossus' lucky day.

not ultimate colossus, they remade the mainstream one to be more powerfull a while back

A plane would be to short a drop. He does not neccessarily have to fall he can be thrown as well.

but i doubt colossus can do it..... i say colossus is unconscious in less than 5, or dispatched from the battlegrounds in less time than that. its obvious who the winner is

I think there is no sure way to know because the match would be affected substantially by the location the fight is taking place in.

hes about as durable as juggernaut now, if not more (exept the whole emune to physical damage thing) but either one of these guys could throw the other one to another contenent, they are both class 100, and they way like 1000lbs, so they could both esily throw eachother realy realy high, bt i think colossus could survive the fall

juggernaut -would- survive the fall, and colossus is nowhere near as durable as juggernaut. i think thats apparent when he loses consciousness from single shots from juggernaut.

I agree.

please click links below.

http://www.geocities.com/pic_housing2/Colossus_KO1.txt

http://www.geocities.com/pic_housing2/Colossus_KO2.txt

umm, colossus is probably the most durable person out there (besides cosmic dudes) even the old colossus could put up a fight to juggy, the new one is more durable and stronger, colossus has been dropped from realy realy high hights before by archangle, he kinda used him as a weapon, and colossus could change back in the air to fall slower, then go all hard again before he hit the ground

1. First of all I did not even say which part of it I agreed with.

2. Its not right to insult someone just because they have a difference of oppinion.

both of those links are the old colossus, the current one is alot tuffer