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Who has Phoenix beaten besides a few heralds? Not Magneto

Over to you Avalon -

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

A picture speaks a thousand words, but I feel an essay coming from somewhere

Before you know who hops on here and starts to lecture you about the Phoenix and it's avatars, I'd like to point out that that wasn't really Magneto. The real Magneto was still recovering in Genosha. The guy in the picture was a by-product of the Scarlet Witch tampering with reality again, causing Xorn to become a Magneto doppleganger.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Before you know who hops on here and starts to lecture you about the Phoenix and it's avatars, I'd like to point out that that wasn't really Magneto. The real Magneto was still recovering in Genosha. The guy in the picture was a by-product of the Scarlet Witch tampering with reality again, causing Xorn to become a Magneto doppleganger.

True enough but his powers were similair and the point is the same I think you'll agree my friend - thanks for the post and heads up, I actually knew this and am expecting that lecture It doesn't change the fact Scarlet Witches doppleganger sent Phoenix back to the "little white room" for a hundred and fifty years

I think the bell just rung, signaling the begining of Pheonix Class. I plan on sleeping through the professor's lecture.

where'd he get that skull-helmet thing from?

Hey, Spiderman beat Firelord once, so why not?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Hey, Spiderman beat Firelord once, so why not?

he beat Blastaar once as well

Magneto beats phoenix its plain to see...

Originally posted by jgiant
Magneto beats phoenix its plain to see... Just like Spiderman beating Firelord.

you got it twisted...

Morrison defeated the Phoenix.

end of.

maybe its because scarlet witch is more powerful than jean grey? lol

Originally posted by Creshosk
Just like Spiderman beating Firelord.
Right, everyone has their bad days...

Nuff said !!

Keep the faith

Stay Whirly

Originally posted by jgiant
Right, everyone has their bad days... And everyone has PIS moments.

THis proves that even phoenix suffers from PIS from time to time.

Does this mean Mags is a match for the Big G? Rachel had Galactus on his knees admitting defeat.

Originally posted by Ultimate Ion


Does this mean Mags is a match for the Big G? Rachel had Galactus on his knees admitting defeat.

no she didn't UI he got straight back up

Originally posted by Ultimate Ion


Does this mean Mags is a match for the Big G? Rachel had Galactus on his knees admitting defeat.

remember what happened in Secret Wars when Magneto and Xavier got Galactus's attention for a second?

Originally posted by Ultimate Ion


Does this mean Mags is a match for the Big G? Rachel had Galactus on his knees admitting defeat. Naw, he revealed the nature of tapping into the "phoenix" force which drove her away, just like the other encounter.

It wasn't really a force/strength victory. He outwitted the hosts.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Naw, he revealed the nature of tapping into the "phoenix" force which drove her away, just like the other encounter.

It wasn't really a force/strength victory. He outwitted the hosts.

So his smarter and stronger

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Who has Phoenix beaten besides a few heralds? Not Magneto

Over to you Avalon -



A picture speaks a thousand words, but I feel an essay coming from somewhere

Awwww i see a case of hurt pride has lead to an anti Phoenix campaign:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=331574&pagenumber=10#post4978814

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f43/t359297.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f43/t357575.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f43/t364387.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f43/t357586.html

Grow up Whirly your manner belies your age

For someone who doesnt take this forum seriously you're certainly going to a lot of effort to change forum opinion

Anyone who reads Xmen will know exactly what happened there and i also provided the explanation of featured events in the thread which Whirly took that image. But coincidentally i see that post has been left out. I wonder why?

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
So his amarter and stronger

Smarter? Yes, he beat them through CIS, which appearently is valid in debates since that's part of their character. Stronger? Unproven, and quite doubtful.

It seems whenever Phoenix allows herself to die. . . she does.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Smarter? Yes, he beat them through CIS, which appearently is valid in debates since that's part of their character. Stronger? Unproven, and quite doubtful.

It seems whenever Phoenix allows herself to die. . . she does.

yes she looks like she has this situation well under control Its all part of her plan..............

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
yes she looks like she has this situation well under control Its all part of her plan..............



Hey, a phoenix died by being taken out by a shiar laser when before they had no effect and she took an exploding star.


If this was around the time Cyclops was getting close to Emma . . . I could see her wanting to take herself out.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
no she didn't UI he got straight back up

Galactus:...And I hover near death, my strength depleted -- exhausted in our struggle while you are neither weary nor hungry because you tap into a source of near limitless potential...

Sounds like he admitted defeat there.

.....

Originally posted by Ultimate Ion
Galactus:...And I hover near death, my strength depleted -- exhausted in our struggle while you are neither weary nor hungry because you tap into a source of near limitless potential...

Sounds like he admitted defeat there.

Thank you UI. Now because of the retcon we know that what defeated Galactus wasnt even the full phoenix force as such but instead a shard of jean greys phoenix essence which was given to Rachel.

Also as per current continuity Phoenix is Galactus' creator

And Galactus and the abstracts are all just the previous universes evolved humanity with Phoenix being the only constant in creation as beautifully depicted in Xmen Forever

Phoenix force is a punk, it not only steals power but its from people not even born, they don't even have a say...damn you phoenix force, damn you to hell...

Originally posted by jgiant
Phoenix force is a punk, it not only steals power but its from people not even born, they don't even have a say...damn you phoenix force, damn you to hell...

Remember to take note of the retcon. You're talking about the old depowered phoenix. This link explains all:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7160&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=21

And some people still have trouble telling the phoenixes apart.

Some people seem to confuse hearlads with galactus too. . . oh wait, that's just with the Phoenix force and its . . . hosts. . .

And again - not hovering near death dying is that Jean Grey as Phoenix I see?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
And again - not hovering near death dying is that Jean Grey as Phoenix I see? She dies when she allows herself to.

This really isn't that hard a concept is it?

You can keep reposting that image all you want, it doesn't change things.

You do sound like you're horribly grasping at straws here.

A: "She dies when she allows herself to.
B: "She died! She died!"
C: "She dies when she needs to be reborn elsewhere"
B: " She died! She died!"
A: "Yes, she dies when she needs to, otherwise it's PIS seeing as there are regular showings of her taking worse, much sworse."
B: "She died! She died!"

Originally posted by Creshosk
She dies when she allows herself to.

This really isn't that hard a concept is it?

You can keep reposting that image all you want, it doesn't change things.

You do sound like you're horribly grasping at straws here.

A: "She dies when she allows herself to.
B: "She died! She died!"
C: "She dies when she needs to be reborn elsewhere"
B: " She died! She died!"
A: "Yes, she dies when she needs to, otherwise it's PIS seeing as there are regular showings of her taking worse, much sworse."
B: "She died! She died!"

Jean "jgg" dies



She was beaten

pic again as it shows just whose grasping at what

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Lucifer the son of God got manhandled here by your average demon and had to talk his way out of it. Does this picture change his position in the hierarchy? Nope. It certainly does not as there are reasons why Lucifer found himself in this predicament and thus why his position remains unfazed. For me to just post the pic and declare otherwise would suggest a few things about me. Either that im biased and am presenting a lopsided case intentionally for personal reasons or that i really dont have the faintest idea of what im talking about and as such should refrain from debating on the featured character until ive enlightened myself with some background reading.

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/3452/lucifer06p069dx.jpg

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7475/lucifer23p164sz.jpg

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/4748/lucifer23p187lw.jpg

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/6412/lucifer23p226jg.jpg

Couldn't care less where Lucifer is in the hierarchy I just like this pic in a Phoenix thread lets stick to the Marvel Universe shall we for this one

"jgg" manhandled replace with killed

Lucifer is not in this thread misdirection

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Jean "jgg" dies



She was beaten

pic again as it shows just whose grasping at what

"She dies she dies"

Totallty ignoring anything other than this?

Isn't it funny that after this she's shown holding the 616 universe in her hands?

Odd isn't it? Or could it be that she intended herself to die?

But I already know what your answer is going to be.

"Nothing else matters, she died! It doesn't matter why, or when, or even all of how. Just that she did die!"

Ding dong the witch is dead, the witch is dead!

*pic that has been explained multiple times*"

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Couldn't care less where Lucifer is in the hierarchy I just like this pic in a Phoenix thread lets stick to the Marvel Universe shall we for this one

"jgg" manhandled replace with killed

Lucifer is not in this thread misdirection

"I don't care about anything else!

All that matters is that she died!

Who cares about the why, how and whatever else!

All that matters is she died!"

Originally posted by Creshosk
"I don't care about anything else!

All that matters is that she died!

Who cares about the why, how and whatever else!

All that matters is she died!"

She loses - look Cresh anyway you cut it its gone from PIS to a plot of the Phoenix but the scan like all good comic art tells the truth

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Couldn't care less where Lucifer is in the hierarchy I just like this pic in a Phoenix thread lets stick to the Marvel Universe shall we for this one

"jgg" manhandled replace with killed

Lucifer is not in this thread misdirection

My point still stands. As stated in New Xmen 128 by Jean herself she must die to be reborn. Her rebirth must be preceded by blood, flame and sacrifice, but she will always come back. Check out the issue for confirmation.

If Jeans survival in that reality at that point in time was necessary then she would have dispatched the doppelganger. It wasnt as she stated in the same very same issue in a conversation with Wolverine. Therefore her death was permitted and was a necessary event for her to be reborn in the future to prevent Sublimes acqusition of telekinetic godhood. We clear?

Post the pic all you like but as aforementioned , your anti phoenix campaign is a flop. Those in the know still rate Phoenix highly and its position on the hierarchy remains unfazed.

Good effort all around though.

Phoenix getting beaten again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
She loses - look Cresh anyway you cut it its gone from PIS to a plot of the Phoenix but the scan like all good comic art tells the truth

"I don't care about anything else! She died! That's all that matters! IT doesn't maytter how! All that maters is she's dead!"

YOu sound sort of like one of those people that overly promote a character, you're discarding the plot device in this scene and only looking at the outcome.

Much like it'd be if someone said that Wolverine survived the sun(discarding Phoenix's help) and regenerating from a single drop of blood (ignoring the crystal)

You are ignoring the plot device here and orgasming all over a single picture.

Phoenix losing again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Creshosk
"I don't care about anything else! She died! That's all that matters! IT doesn't maytter how! All that maters is she's dead!"

YOu sound sort of like one of those people that overly promote a character, you're discarding the plot device in this scene and only looking at the outcome.

Much like it'd be if someone said that Wolverine survived the sun(discarding Phoenix's help) and regenerating from a single drop of blood (ignoring the crystal)

You are ignoring the plot device here and orgasming all over a single picture.

Phoenix lost

look at her I really think she's enjoying herself

Phoenix losing again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Phoenix getting beaten again And you prove me right.

Sad whirly, very sad.

Plot device whirly, plot device.

Originally posted by Creshosk
"I don't care about anything else! She died! That's all that matters! IT doesn't maytter how! All that maters is she's dead!"

YOu sound sort of like one of those people that overly promote a character, you're discarding the plot device in this scene and only looking at the outcome.

Much like it'd be if someone said that Wolverine survived the sun(discarding Phoenix's help) and regenerating from a single drop of blood (ignoring the crystal)

You are ignoring the plot device here and orgasming all over a single picture.

Exactly. Well said.

Its cool though because Whirlys actions make it quite apparrent to all that his anti phoenix stance is the result of personal issues and not the result of a genuine disagreement with phoenix's placing in the hierarchy. We've made our point, his best efforts have resulted in nothing but a hit to his credibility. OUCH!!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm


Its cool though because Whirlys actions make it quite apparrent to all that his anti phoenix stance is the result of personal issues and not the result of a genuine disagreement with phoenix's placing in the hierarchy. We've made our point, his best efforts have resulted in nothing but a hit to his credibility. OUCH!!

Whose getting personal again

As ever I will not respond as a seeker of truth

I'll let the pic



Phoenix getting beaten again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Whose getting personal again

As ever I will not respond as a seeker of truth

I'll let the pic



Phoenix getting beaten again

Just speaking the truth mate. If it hurts then you know what they say.... Your pride has been hurt in the past and so this farce is your way of getting your own back. Your age should render you an example to us all. Shame really

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Whose getting personal again

As ever I will not respond as a seeker of truth

I'll let the pic



Phoenix getting beaten again You're acting exactly like a fanboy.

"plot device doesn't matter! All that matters is the end result."

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Just speaking the truth mate. If it hurts then you know what they say.... Your pride has been hurt in the past and so this farce is your way of getting your own back. Your age should render you an example to us all. Shame really

more personal abuse why keep mentioning me the threads about Magneto and Phoenix own back for what oh well back to the pic



Phoenix getting beaten again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
more personal abuse why keep mentioning me the threads about Magneto and Phoenix own back for what oh well back to the pic



Phoenix getting beaten again If the shoe fits, whirly.

Seriously. People get critisized for their support of a character in the same exact manner that you are attacking Phoenix.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
more personal abuse why keep mentioning me the threads about Magneto and Phoenix own back for what oh well back to the pic



Phoenix getting beaten again

If the truth hurts then you know what to do...

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're acting exactly like a fanboy.

"plot device doesn't matter! All that matters is the end result."

not really I would be if I was arguing against a picture of my favourite character getting soundly beaten but i'm not doing that. Anyway why talk about me you or GS when we have the pic



Phoenix getting beaten again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
not really I would be if I was arguing against a picture of my favourite character getting soundly beaten but i'm not doing that. Anyway why talk about me you or GS when we have the pic



Phoenix getting beaten again

But then all i need do is post a pic of Lucifer getting beaten by those who shouldnt be able to but does that mean his position on the hierearchy has changed? Nope

Mere plot device.

Just a demonstration of the phoenix life cycle as described by Jean in New Xmen. If she hadnt allowed the doppelganger to kill her then she would have killed herself anyway. Just a part of her life cycle im afraid. A few panels later you see Jeans phoenix egg. She dies to reborn. Just like in her initial time on Earth, Jean killed herself on the moon and then a few years later Jean was born again out of the cocoon found in Jamaica bay by the F4. Sorry Whirly but you're just grasping at straws. Its so sad to see one who should be an example to us resort to such behaviour.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
not really I would be if I was arguing against a picture of my favourite character getting soundly beaten ypu're posting a picture over and over to prove something, when the plot device has been explained.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
but i'm not doing that. Anyway why talk about me you or GS when we have the pic



Phoenix getting beaten again Because the picture has been expliained.

How would this be different from a wolverine fanboy posting a picture of Wolverine regenerating from a blooddrop over and over, after the plot device was explained?

Is it different because you're attacking a character?

Originally posted by Creshosk
ypu're posting a picture over and over to prove something, when the plot device has been explained.

Because the picture has been expliained.

How would this be different from a wolverine fanboy posting a picture of Wolverine regenerating from a blooddrop over and over, after the plot device was explained?

Is it different because you're attacking a character?

"jgg" the picture explains itself



Phoenix getting beaten again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
"jgg" the picture explains itself



Phoenix getting beaten again Plot device.

"Here's wolverine regenerating from a blood drop! Here's Wolverine surviving the sun!"

Originally posted by Creshosk
Plot device.

"Here's wolverine regenerating from a blood drop! Here's Wolverine surviving the sun!"

I thought this thread was about Phoenix....

it is and



Phoenix getting beaten again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

I can hear someone typing lots

Still stands. No need for typing. You have no ground to stand on. Let all bear witness to the actions of a desperate man. Im sorry i hurt your pride mate. If i knew it would result in this then i would have tried my best to stop being so damn witty


Jean appearing in a coccon in 86 heralded the retcon. Which made Phoenix Force an entity unto itself and also shoved all accountability for the D'bari incident on to the Phoenix. This was needed for Jean a popular heroine of the time to appear with an untarnished rep in the new X Factor team. New Xmen however helped abolish that retcon by establishing the cocoon/egg as a part of the phoenix life cycle. It then went on to state that Jean has to die to be reborn. Therefore making phoenix and Jean once again one and the same.

Your attempt to catch me out has once again flopped. As stated in the very same issue, Jean was needed in another reality. As was established by the title to be reborn at the required point, Jean had to die. It is the way of the Phoenix. Be it through suicide or allowing the destruction of her physical body Jean was meant to die and would have achieved it through any means possible.

You merely witnessed a part of the phoenix life cycle. Good try.

If debating was about winning or losing you'd be licking your wounds right now and id be popping open the bubbly

Phoenix much like the X-men has become quite silly.

An urgent retcon back to previous and frankly sane power levels is required IMHO.

I was right lots of typing, mainly abuse Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Still stands. No need for typing. You have no ground to stand on. Let all bear witness to the actions of a desperate man. Im sorry i hurt your pride mate. If i knew it would result in this then i would have tried my best to stop being so damn witty


Jean appearing in a coccon in 86 heralded the retcon. Which made Phoenix Force an entity unto itself and also shoved all accountability for the D'bari incident on to the Phoenix. This was needed for Jean a popular heroine of the time to appear with an untarnished rep in the new X Factor team. New Xmen however helped abolish that retcon by establishing the cocoon/egg as a part of the phoenix life cycle. It then went on to state that Jean has to die to be reborn. Therefore making phoenix and Jean once again one and the same.

Your attempt to catch me out has once again flopped. As stated in the very same issue, Jean was needed in another reality. As was established by the title to be reborn at the required point, Jean had to die. It is the way of the Phoenix. Be it through suicide or allowing the destruction of her physical body Jean was meant to die and would have achieved it through any means possible.

You merely witnessed a part of the phoenix life cycle. Good try.

If debating was about winning or losing you'd be licking your wounds right now and id be popping open the bubbly

Why type abuse when a picture gets straight to the topic



Phoenix getting beaten again

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could someone explain this? I thought Phoenix was supposed to be all powerful?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Xorneto.jpg

No abuse. Just straight up gospel truth. Hallelujah!!:


Jean appearing in a coccon in 86 heralded the retcon. Which made Phoenix Force an entity unto itself and also shoved all accountability for the D'bari incident on to the Phoenix. This was needed for Jean a popular heroine of the time to appear with an untarnished rep in the new X Factor team. New Xmen however helped abolish that retcon by establishing the cocoon/egg as a part of the phoenix life cycle. It then went on to state that Jean has to die to be reborn. Therefore making phoenix and Jean once again one and the same.

Your attempt to catch me out has once again flopped. As stated in the very same issue, Jean was needed in another reality. As was established by the title to be reborn at the required point, Jean had to die. It is the way of the Phoenix. Be it through suicide or allowing the destruction of her physical body Jean was meant to die and would have achieved it through any means possible.

You merely witnessed a part of the phoenix life cycle. Good try.

If debating was about winning or losing you'd be licking your wounds right now and id be popping open the bubbly

Im still having trouble deciding, I need to see that pic one more time.

Originally posted by Onikirimaru
Im still having trouble deciding, I need to see that pic one more time.

ask and it shall be so Onikirimaru my friend, here is "The pic" props to Avalon of the wind for the scan

If Pheonix actually decides when to die, I dont think Pheonix is that type of chick that would have her last words be "Jgg"

Originally posted by Onikirimaru
If Pheonix actually decides when to die, I dont think Pheonix is that type of chick that would have her last words be "Jgg"

Excellent point my friend

Originally posted by Onikirimaru
If Pheonix actually decides when to die, I dont think Pheonix is that type of chick that would have her last words be "Jgg" I don't see why not. . since it was a physical body that was dying, it might just make noise automatically.

Originally posted by 7PennyNightmare
Phoenix much like the X-men has become quite silly.

An urgent retcon back to previous and frankly sane power levels is required IMHO.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I don't see why not. . since it was a physical body that was dying, it might just make noise automatically.

I hear barrel scrapping

Originally posted by yahman
I hear barrel scrapping I smell denial.

And it smells oddly like jealousy too.

After this we see her holding the 616 universe. . . So yeah, she really didn't choose to die.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I smell denial.

And it smells oddly like jealousy too.

After this we see her holding the 616 universe. . . So yeah, she really didn't choose to die.

I smell "the picture"

"jgg" Phoenixes death rattle

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I smell "the picture"

"jgg" Phoenixes death rattle And he just keeps proving me right. . .

He has no counter, or other information so he shows off that one picture again.

I really need a scan of wolvie regenerating fro a drop of blood so I can do this whirly tactic too.

"A single drop of blood! Here's the picture:

*picture*"

Originally posted by Creshosk
And he just keeps proving me right. . .

He has no counter, or other information so he shows off that one picture again.

I really need a scan of wolvie regenerating fro a drop of blood so I can do this whirly tactic too.

"A single drop of blood! Here's the picture:

*picture*"

Who needs other imformation when you can clearly see Phoenix beaten murdered

"jgg"

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Who needs other imformation when you can clearly see Phoenix beaten murdered

"jgg"

"What other information do you need when you can clearly see wolverine regenerating from a single drop of blood?"

You do know what a plot device is right?

"I don't care about anything other than that ****ing ***** dying."



by the way I'm just typing in *s and not actually saying anything under there.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Who needs other imformation when you can clearly see Phoenix beaten murdered

"jgg"

LOL

Originally posted by Creshosk
"What other information do you need when you can clearly see wolverine regenerating from a single drop of blood?"

You do know what a plot device is right?

Sorry Wolverines not in this thread

heres Jean dying

do you think anyone will notice my new sig

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Sorry Wolverines not in this thread It's called an analogy.

You know I compared your actions and statement to that of a fanboy.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
heres Jean dying

do you think anyone will notice my new sig

"I don't care about facts, information, or logic, just that she dies."

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Awwww i see a case of hurt pride has lead to an anti Phoenix campaign:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=331574&pagenumber=10#post4978814

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f43/t359297.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f43/t357575.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f43/t364387.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f43/t357586.html

Grow up Whirly your manner belies your age

For someone who doesnt take this forum seriously you're certainly going to a lot of effort to change forum opinion

Anyone who reads Xmen will know exactly what happened there and i also provided the explanation of featured events in the thread which Whirly took that image. But coincidentally i see that post has been left out. I wonder why?

Which all show nothing except you getting personal again "tsk"

here "jgg"

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Which all show nothing except you getting personal again "tsk"

here "jgg"

"All I care about is that she died!"

"What other information do you need?"

Originally posted by Creshosk
"All I care about is that she died!"

"What other information do you need?"


oh yes and she made the noise "jgg" as she died

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
oh yes and she made the noise "jgg" as she died

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Originally posted by Creshosk
Sorry I'm not an antifanboy. I don't feel like sticking my fingers in my ears or joygasming all over a single picture.



I am and I do lets all as the irish blood in me Says "riverdance" do the "jig" sorry "jgg"

Originally posted by Onikirimaru
If Pheonix actually decides when to die, I dont think Pheonix is that type of chick that would have her last words be "Jgg"

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Hearsay, sorry not valid.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Hearsay, sorry not valid.

hearsay is an interesting point in Phoenix debates as is supposition, use of possibel timelines like Xmen forever and semantics on Galactus's creation.

Lets forget words

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
hearsay is an interesting point in Phoenix debates as is supposition, use of possibel timelines like Xmen forever and semantics on Galactus's creation.

Lets forget words http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/Smilemotie/smile_no.gif Naw, just hearsay.

Originally posted by Creshosk
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/Smilemotie/smile_no.gif Naw, just hearsay.

I liked atomic kitten more as well heres the famous picture "jgg"

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
hearsay is an interesting point in Phoenix debates as is supposition, use of possibel timelines like Xmen forever and semantics on Galactus's creation.

Lets forget words

Possible timelines? The events from Xmen Forever made it into continuity. Juggs reform, Toads transformation, Icemans full utilisation of his powers.

good try though mate

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Possible timelines? The events from Xmen Forever made it into continuity. Juggs reform, Toads transformation, Icemans full utilisation of his powers.

good try though mate

Only Claremonts its a future timeline are you saying the final events of the Marvel Universe are already mapped out, I see, thats a pointless universe

Interesting the majority of posters on this thread disagree with you as to Phoenix position

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Only Claremonts its a future timeline are you saying the final events of the Marvel Universe are already mapped out, I see, thats a pointless universe

Interesting the majority of posters on this thread disagree with you as to Phoenix position

They dont at all. Since when does Beyonder and Maestro represent the forum majority?

You misunderstand my aims mate. They have been achieved already. I dont expect everyone to believe everything i say word for word, i just aimed to raise phoenixs position in the eyes of the forum and ive done that. So i have succeeded Whirly and that is why im content. I'll continue arguing my point because its fun but im just happy that ive enlightened many a person and that aspects of my postst have been firmly implanted in the minds of those who have been here as long as i and have witneesed my various debates with those who at the time disagreed with me totally. Your failed attempts to change views on the hierarchy thread is just more evidence of my success. Carry on its most amusing

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Only Claremonts its a future timeline are you saying the final events of the Marvel Universe are already mapped out, I see, thats a pointless universe

Interesting the majority of posters on this thread disagree with you as to Phoenix position

If you'd read the comic then you'd know how absurd youre sounding now. I wont explain i'll just let the well read on here chuckle at your post. It is very much continuity old friend. It never happened in the future. Events happened and were halted and the future was discussed.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If you'd read the comic then you'd know how absurd youre sounding now. I wont explain i'll just let the well read on here chuckle at your post. It is very much continuity old friend. It never happened in the future. Events happened and were halted and the future was discussed. I will say this though give it a year tops I bet Phoenix becomes nothing more than a high level cosmic and some new person comes in as the great power of Marvel

Originally posted by newjak86
I will say this though give it a year tops I bet Phoenix becomes nothing more than a high level cosmic and some new person comes in as the great power of Marvel

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
They dont at all. Since when does Beyonder and Maestro represent the forum majority?

You misunderstand my aims mate. They have been achieved already. I dont expect everyone to believe everything i say word for word, i just aimed to raise phoenixs position in the eyes of the forum and ive done that. So i have succeeded Whirly and that is why im content. I'll continue arguing my point because its fun but im just happy that ive enlightened many a person and that aspects of my postst have been firmly implanted in the minds of those who have been here as long as i and have witneesed my various debates with those who at the time disagreed with me totally. Your failed attempts to change views on the hierarchy thread is just more evidence of my success. Carry on its most amusing

On here as long as you have been? hang on you mean like me by a few weeks and Maestro and Beyonder who have been here longer. This post is worrying

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Interesting the majority of posters on this thread disagree with you as to Phoenix position Who cares about ad populem?

Who cares about what the majority, or selected few think?

Do you have a scan to show that the majority of posters thinks this way?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Who cares about ad populem?

Who cares about what the majority, or selected few think?

Do you have a scan to show that the majority of posters thinks this way?

GS does he always mentions them and brings them up in almost every thread leonheart highlighted this the other day no scan needed I can count

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
GS does he always mentions them and brings them up in almost every thread leonheart highlighted this the other day no scan needed I can count

Gs cares about the selected few, you care about the majority.

No scan?

Until you can show me a scan where it says that the majority of people disagree with GS on where the phoenix stands. . .

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
ask and it shall be so Onikirimaru my friend, here is "The pic" props to Avalon of the wind for the scan

You're welcome. This has to be the funniest thread I've read in a while.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
GS does he always mentions them and brings them up in almost every thread leonheart highlighted this the other day no scan needed I can count

Irrelevant either way. Ive expalined this to you. With new members joining all the time id have to be constantly debating and throeing up scans to have the fourm more or less agree with me somewhat. Im not prepared to do that. The people who have earned my utmost respect and that of others, the people who have been here at least as long as myself are those who all have had phoenix rise in terms of rank in their eyes and im proud of that. Not all of them believe exactly what i say but for all of them there has been a rise from their previous perceptions.

Now that i have made that clear a massive number of posters disagreeing with what ive said in the future is cool. Its expected because like i said posters join every month and have missed previous debates and are not going to witness a "campaign" from me in the future. I know that ive already succeeded in what i aimed to do and nothing and nobody can change that.

Look what happened today. One such member made a phoenix thread and was arguing away for the cause. When noobs post ignorance in the future those in the know can choose to set then straight or choose not to. Whatever thats not important its the fact that there are a decent number who actually know the real deal. I am content

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You're welcome. This has to be the funniest thread I've read in a while.

Wasn't someone once complaining about someone about baised one panel scans or something?

Gee, I wonder who that was?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wasn't someone once complaining about someone about baised one panel scans or something?

Gee, I wonder who that was?

Wow... a personal attack already. Did I give an opinion here or even in the original post about the fight?
Nope...so **** off.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Wow... a personal attack already. Did I give an opinion here about the fight?
Nope...so **** off. The fact that you took that personally.

Jinzin is accused of baised scans all the time. But obviously I was talking about you making the comment.

I said that just to see your reaction, though. And it was interesting.

"**** off!"

So who did you accuse. . or accuse you of baised scans?

Originally posted by Creshosk
The fact that you took that personally.

Jinzin is accused of baised scans all the time. But obviously I was talking about you making the comment.

I said that just to see your reaction, though. And it was interesting.

"**** off!"

So who did you accuse. . or accuse you of baised scans?



Sounds like a back track to me...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Sounds like a back track to me...


It would be if I knew about the reason why you got upset.

I made it to see how you'd react. And it was interesting. . .

Have you been accused, or have you accused someone?

If so who was it? Were you one of the people that has accused jinzin of biased scans?

Originally posted by Creshosk
It would be if I knew about the reason why you got upset.

I made it to see how you'd react. And it was interesting. . .

Have you been accused, or have you accused someone?

If so who was it? Were you one of the people that has accused jinzin of biased scans?

You got your reaction.

You want to ask questions outside ofthe forum topic.... PM me as others have.

i think magneto beat the phoenix way way back in the original phoenix saga when magneto took the x-men to his base in antarctica after they were brainwashed by mesmero.

Originally posted by JirK
i think magneto beat the phoenix way way back in the original phoenix saga when magneto took the x-men to his base in antarctica after they were brainwashed by mesmero.

Indeed. After saving the multiverse from theM'kraan crystal Jean placed psychic circuit breakers on her power to limit it to levels appropriate for day to day use on Earth. The limits she placed on her power rendered her nothing more than a powerful mutant and so in a battle with Magneto she reached her self imposed limit and he defeated her.

Subsequent issues later her circuit breakers started breaking down and she slowly transformed into dark phoenix.

Magneto beating Phoenix in their last meeting was a sucker punch action.
Why can't guys accept Phoenix is a godly force?
I can, even I still think those uber alles cosmic characters majorly sucks

Originally posted by K3VIL
Magneto beating Phoenix in their last meeting was a sucker punch action.
Why can't guys accept Phoenix is a godly force?
I can, even I still think those uber alles cosmic characters majorly sucks

Exactly. You're objective we need more posters like you. Despite your personal feelings on the character you can still debate logically and fairly.

so wheres the scans promised GS? heres "jgg"

nah we all kow what it shows

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
so wheres the scans promised GS? heres "jgg"

I was just waiting for you to ask nicely. Here ya go mate. Heres Jean stating that she must die to be reborn:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3348/dsc0014510cn.jpg

Here is her saying how she doesnt know how long she'll be permitted by the Crown to stay:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2244/dsc001504vg.jpg

Here a page after the end of Jeans physical body her phoenix egg is being searched for by people in the future:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9228/dsc001542eo.jpg

They find the Phoenix egg on the blue area of the moon. The same place Jean in her Dark Phoenix form killed herself. Wasnt that a nice touch. Almost as if the writer wanted to emphasise this death/birth cycle Jean constantly goes through as phoenix:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9586/dsc001557pq.jpg

It shows nothing

jgg shows all

Jean begins to emerge from her phoenix egg:

http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/2862/dsc0016613yn.jpg

She is reborn into the future and talks of having been in the Crown and now having to fix something:

http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/4782/dsc0016717db.jpg

It shows nothing its to do will Wolverine

It shows nothing

She lost, this is your proof

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
It shows nothing its to do will Wolverine "I had to die to come back"

So because she's talking to Wolverine that makes her wrong?

Originally posted by Creshosk
"I had to die to come back"

So because she's talking to Wolverine that makes her wrong?

Yup which means nothing its not even in the context of the battle

lol DEALT WITH!!

Now those scans have been posted you can post that pic as much as you want. It means nothing. You have found out today that people dont take your pic seriously as they know the circumstances in which it happened. Post away give Phoenix more exposure.

Only in your mind, no one will read that pic, its is to big - if they do they will see it proves nothing.

Did you mean to make it that unclear as its out of context GS and proves my case.

back to "jgg"

keep it concise

You're not taken seriously:

Originally posted by K3VIL
Keeping show that scan around is like posting those with Venom knocking around Metropolis SUPERMAN.
Jean is first of all an AVATAR.She told Wolverine she didn't know how much time the PF would give her to solve the problem, Doppelgneto killing her was just part of the plot, obviously with a cheap shot, a major sucker punch.Just like Wolverine beheading him.
the Doppelgneto anyway wasn't powerful as the real one, he was more similar to the movie version, using metal and lifintg metal based objects to defend himself and attack, and nothing more.
Classical Magneto would have sensed the special combat planes sent from the government and would have blast them into oblivion.
That story arch was also full of plotholes.
Jean, SURROUNDED by her tk field and her space suit find Logan and then is next to him while they are in space.
Same happens when Logan goes into the sun.
Logan's flesh possess human durability, he should have been dead far before they reach the sun.
And anyway, it was also showed that his ADAMANTIUM CLAWS were damaged from the contact with the sun, obviously with her matter manipulation Jean restored the adamantium or something and accelerated Logan's healing.


I have posted the scans its out there for all to see. Lets carry on this cycle mate. Just a bit of fun. Whats so good about it is that all your effort has resulted in nothing.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Yup which means nothing its not even in the context of the battle The battle in which she dies has nothing to do with the statement of needing to die to come back . . .



Can you provide a scan of phoenix saying "My needing to die to come back has nothing to do with that Magneot doppleganger killing me?"

Until then she needed to die to come back, doesn't matter who she was talking to.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The battle in which she dies has nothing to do with the statement of needing to die to come back . . .



Can you provide a scan of phoenix saying "My needing to die to come back has nothing to do with that Magneot doppleganger killing me?"

Until then she needed to die to come back, doesn't matter who she was talking to.

I thought we were talking about her being beaten in this battle

Precisely Cresh. Anyone who has read New Xmen will know that Jean started manifesting the phoenix again and she mentioned having to perform a disinfection in the future.

Jean went on to say to Logan that she must die to be reborn and that she doesnt know how long she will be allowed to stay.

Jeans physical body is later destroyed in the same issue by the doppelganger and a few panels later we see Jeans phoenix egg in the future.

Next issue she emerges from the egg and says she has been in the Crown and that she has to fix something here in the future.

NUFF SAID!!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Precisely Cresh. Anyone who has read New Xmen will know that Jean started manifesting the phoenix again and she mentioned having to perform a disinfection in the future.

Jean went on to say to Logan that she must die to be reborn and that she doesnt know how long she will be allowed to stay.

Jeans physical body is later destroyed in the same issue by the doppelganger and a few panels later we see Jeans phoenix egg in the future.

Next issue she emerges from the egg and says she has been in the Crown and that she has to fix something here in the future.

NUFF SAID!!

Why not choose another Avater?

Its not I don't believe you, its just she lost live with it

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I thought we were talking about her being beaten in this battle We are. So show me a scan where she says that the two are unconnected.

As obviously stating that she needed to die to be reborn would be reffering to any time in the past that she has died, and anytime that she was reborn.

So show me the scan that says "I needed to die to be reborn, except for that one time against the Magneto doppelganger.

Scans plz.

Originally posted by Creshosk
We are. So show me a scan where she says that the two are unconnected.

As obviously stating that she needed to die to be reborn would be reffering to any time in the past that she has died, and anytime that she was reborn.

So show me the scan that says "I needed to die to be reborn, except for that one time against the Magneto doppelganger.

Scans plz.

Yes she said it after taking a beating, she needed to die but not 150 years earlier to be an egg. It can just inhabit another body. The Jean Phoenix lost. Nice to see you've stopped the personal attacks though Cresh

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Why not choose another Avater?

Its not I don't believe you, its just she lost live with it

Is that what you think this is about?

Puh lease Whirly you really dont have a clue.

Phoenixs body was killed so what? Theres nothing to admit, nothings been denied. You were just refusing to accept the reason why that occurred.

Anyway gots ta go i'll be back later on.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Yes she said it after taking a beating, she needed to die but not 150 years earlier to be an egg. It can just inhabit another body. The Jean Phoenix lost. Nice to see you've stopped the personal attacks though Cresh Scan plz. I don't see her saying that the two were unconnected.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Is that what you think this is about?

Puh lease Whirly you really dont have a clue.

Phoenixs body was killed so what? Theres nothing to admit, nothings been denied. You were just refusing to accept the reason why that occurred.

Anyway gots ta go i'll be back later on.

So you admit she lost here then

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Only in your mind, no one will read that pic, its is to big - if they do they will see it proves nothing.

Did you mean to make it that unclear as its out of context GS and proves my case.

back to "jgg"

keep it concise I'm not taking sides here, but I just find this really funny, jgg lol.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
So you admit she lost here then With circumstances, yes.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm not taking sides here, but I just find this really funny, jgg lol.

I try and heres jgg again

Originally posted by Creshosk
With circumstances, yes.

OK then argument over Phoenix lost

I don't think the Phoenix renders any of its hosts unkillable. I think they can be defeated in combat. The very fact that they can feel pain proves that. So yeah, I think there are people who can kill Jean or Rachel. I just don't think you can physically kill the Force, since it's an abstract. When GS writes his essays about what the role of the Force is, he's talking about the Force itself. Killing an avatar of that Force is not impossible, but very impressive. GS knows that and he knows that it means nothing to the grander role of the Force. So those scans of an AVATAR being beaten aren't PIS or plot device, but if they're Whirly's attempt to show that the Phoenix Force isn't important or powerful, then those scans don't show anything at all.

Either way, from a factual perspective, Whirly doesn't have much to go on and he knows it. I think Whirly isn't doing anything more than being annoying to Cresh and GS and you guys are both so obsessed with winning that you're letting him do it. He's inside your head for absolutely no reason, and THAT is his real motive behind this thread, nothing more. I mean, just look at your essay-length replies and look at his one-liners. C'mon, guys! lol.

The best thing to do it post your scans and let the readers decide. If they're sensible, they'll know who to believe.

Me!

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
OK then argument over Phoenix lost No different from when the times that Wolverine beat the Hulk.

Well other than what the circumstances WERE that is. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
No different from when the times that Wolverine beat the Hulk.

Well other than what the circumstances WERE that is. . .

fair enough then Phoenix lost

Originally posted by demigawd
I don't think the Phoenix renders any of its hosts unkillable. I think they can be defeated in combat. The very fact that they can feel pain proves that. So yeah, I think there are people who can kill Jean or Rachel. I just don't think you can physically kill the Force, since it's an abstract. When GS writes his essays about what the role of the Force is, he's talking about the Force itself. Killing an avatar of that Force is not impossible, but very impressive. GS knows that and he knows that it means nothing to the grander role of the Force. So those scans of an AVATAR being beaten aren't PIS or plot device, but if they're Whirly's attempt to show that the Phoenix Force isn't important or powerful, then those scans don't show anything at all.

Either way, from a factual perspective, Whirly doesn't have much to go on and he knows it. I think Whirly isn't doing anything more than being annoying to Cresh and GS and you guys are both so obsessed with winning that you're letting him do it. He's inside your head for absolutely no reason, and THAT is his real motive behind this thread, nothing more. I mean, just look at your essay-length replies and look at his one-liners. C'mon, guys! lol.

The best thing to do it post your scans and let the readers decide. If they're sensible, they'll know who to believe.

Me! He's not annoying me. . . I'm just playing with him.

He want's me to say that Phoenix lost fine phoenix lost.

It's not like I have a whole lot else to do when I'm on this site. I mean what point is there of coming to a site like this if it isn't to have fun?

Originally posted by demigawd
I don't think the Phoenix renders any of its hosts unkillable. I think they can be defeated in combat. The very fact that they can feel pain proves that. So yeah, I think there are people who can kill Jean or Rachel. I just don't think you can physically kill the Force, since it's an abstract. When GS writes his essays about what the role of the Force is, he's talking about the Force itself. Killing an avatar of that Force is not impossible, but very impressive. GS knows that and he knows that it means nothing to the grander role of the Force. So those scans of an AVATAR being beaten aren't PIS or plot device, but if they're Whirly's attempt to show that the Phoenix Force isn't important or powerful, then those scans don't show anything at all.

Either way, from a factual perspective, Whirly doesn't have much to go on and he knows it. I think Whirly isn't doing anything more than being annoying to Cresh and GS and you guys are both so obsessed with winning that you're letting him do it. He's inside your head for absolutely no reason, and THAT is his real motive behind this thread, nothing more. I mean, just look at your essay-length replies and look at his one-liners. C'mon, guys! lol.

The best thing to do it post your scans and let the readers decide. If they're sensible, they'll know who to believe.

Me!

Shhhhhhhh !

Originally posted by demigawd
I don't think the Phoenix renders any of its hosts unkillable. I think they can be defeated in combat. The very fact that they can feel pain proves that. So yeah, I think there are people who can kill Jean or Rachel. I just don't think you can physically kill the Force, since it's an abstract. When GS writes his essays about what the role of the Force is, he's talking about the Force itself. Killing an avatar of that Force is not impossible, but very impressive. GS knows that and he knows that it means nothing to the grander role of the Force. So those scans of an AVATAR being beaten aren't PIS or plot device, but if they're Whirly's attempt to show that the Phoenix Force isn't important or powerful, then those scans don't show anything at all.

Either way, from a factual perspective, Whirly doesn't have much to go on and he knows it. I think Whirly isn't doing anything more than being annoying to Cresh and GS and you guys are both so obsessed with winning that you're letting him do it. He's inside your head for absolutely no reason, and THAT is his real motive behind this thread, nothing more. I mean, just look at your essay-length replies and look at his one-liners. C'mon, guys! lol.

The best thing to do it post your scans and let the readers decide. If they're sensible, they'll know who to believe.

Me!

Excellent post

Phoenix died The only point I am making she can lose in battle -

The Phoenix force is a tool nothing more or less and as such extremely boring

heres the pic again

Originally posted by demigawd
I don't think the Phoenix renders any of its hosts unkillable. I think they can be defeated in combat. The very fact that they can feel pain proves that. So yeah, I think there are people who can kill Jean or Rachel. I just don't think you can physically kill the Force, since it's an abstract. When GS writes his essays about what the role of the Force is, he's talking about the Force itself. Killing an avatar of that Force is not impossible, but very impressive. GS knows that and he knows that it means nothing to the grander role of the Force. So those scans of an AVATAR being beaten aren't PIS or plot device, but if they're Whirly's attempt to show that the Phoenix Force isn't important or powerful, then those scans don't show anything at all.

Either way, from a factual perspective, Whirly doesn't have much to go on and he knows it. I think Whirly isn't doing anything more than being annoying to Cresh and GS and you guys are both so obsessed with winning that you're letting him do it. He's inside your head for absolutely no reason, and THAT is his real motive behind this thread, nothing more. I mean, just look at your essay-length replies and look at his one-liners. C'mon, guys! lol.

The best thing to do it post your scans and let the readers decide. If they're sensible, they'll know who to believe.

Me!

this would also explain the Hyperstorm incident shifty

lol. GS - don't reply again! Don't do it, man! hahahaha


Which Hyperstorm incident?

Originally posted by demigawd
I don't think the Phoenix renders any of its hosts unkillable. I think they can be defeated in combat. The very fact that they can feel pain proves that. So yeah, I think there are people who can kill Jean or Rachel. I just don't think you can physically kill the Force, since it's an abstract. When GS writes his essays about what the role of the Force is, he's talking about the Force itself. Killing an avatar of that Force is not impossible, but very impressive. GS knows that and he knows that it means nothing to the grander role of the Force. So those scans of an AVATAR being beaten aren't PIS or plot device, but if they're Whirly's attempt to show that the Phoenix Force isn't important or powerful, then those scans don't show anything at all.

Either way, from a factual perspective, Whirly doesn't have much to go on and he knows it. I think Whirly isn't doing anything more than being annoying to Cresh and GS and you guys are both so obsessed with winning that you're letting him do it. He's inside your head for absolutely no reason, and THAT is his real motive behind this thread, nothing more. I mean, just look at your essay-length replies and look at his one-liners. C'mon, guys! lol.

The best thing to do it post your scans and let the readers decide. If they're sensible, they'll know who to believe.

Me!

This isnt cycle isnt about winning because the debate was concluded when i posted those scans. For me it was just a bit of fun and banter between a strongly opinionated poster which i enjoy. I know his game dont worry about me. If anything Demi join in the fun.

As for your statement on Phoenix. What you fail to understand is that its just an energy source. A power derived from the Crown. Your still seeing it as an entity with a role in the multiverse. Thats not the case. Jean is the one who with the integral role in creation.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This isnt cycle isnt about winning because the debate was concluded when i posted those scans. For me it was just a bit of fun and banter between a strongly opinionated poster which i enjoy. I know his game dont worry about me. If anything Demi join in the fun.

As for your statement on Phoenix. What you fail to understand is that its just an energy source. A power derived from the Crown. Your still seeing it as an entity with a role in the multiverse. Thats not the case. Jean is the one who with the integral role in creation.

No I unnderstand its an energy source you think its God, your scans proved nothing.